[ADVANCED] World War II Mafia: JAPAN WINS!

[Darthe]

Okay folks, with 7 down I am going to take a slight break and will do the rest of this shortly.

[bgrishinko]

BG, the tipping point for Ley seemed to be that you voted him specifically for his refusal. So his saying it would appear a direct attempt to get you to remove your vote.

 

That us my opinion anyway.

 

Yeah... except I had already changed my vote to Bard Babe. Either way.... Scummy.

 

@ Darthe - Ah... okay. Simple enough.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Grrrrr I hate you evil blumming cloudflare stupid post eating piece of junk.

 

 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Short version.

 

1. Darthe has stopped being a snarky git and is now being incredbly helpful and showing us all where we should be voting. Because I already had a bad feeling about him, this isn't really helping me though. I find myself flipping around what he is saying because I just don't trust him. I'm just not ready to let go of my first thoughts and feelings - especially when his posts point towards others all the time and he is being so enigmatic himself. Of course actively analysing and looking for the small things that feel off is exactly what I tend to do in games, even though I don't do the quote thing, but I still can't shake the feeling that he is up to something - or is hiding something - so am sticking with my first thoughts for now.

 

Despo did NOT do a giant wall of text and quotes explaining why I'm totally mental for thinking he might be Mafia. I guess the fault in the multiquotes is not totally a bad thing lol, but it felt like a shrug off and hope she forgets kind of thing.

 

I've never played with Leyrann before, and I do perhaps rely too heavily on minutae to trigger the snowball that then leads me onwards. With Ley I'm getting the feeling that he is trying to figure this game out. But again - he pointed out the reason for the magic password and then wouldn't say it. The problem is that Darthe wants me to vote him, cos he thinks he is Mafia, which means I don't want to. Also the big to and fro earlier on made me think was some Town on Town action - because everyone just let them get on with it. Even though BG? Said that was more likely to be connectivity issues, I have seen to often that Mafia sit back and let arguments like that build up, because they lead to votes and trains on Town - and that means they don't have to work so hard.

 

I want to see my Darthe Case - do me next please, cos I've had a horrible day full of absentee gas engineers and other crapness and I want an early night.

 

*carefully copies before submitting this time*

 

And now I need to click back for ages, cos BG just said something today that sparked a memory.

[Leyrann]

Yeah, thats a fairly obvious inconsitency with BB over there, plus her constant refusal to say the word is really annoying.  I'm thinking she's our best bet.  unvote vote BB

 

Keeping an FoS on Ley, it could be just stubbornness, but the quick change when if you clicked on the link a reason had already been given.  Don't like it at all. 

 

There had been no reason given. That site, was why one would have said it IRL. When someone said like "it would for sure not benefit the mafia" (and the why), I was like "yeah, we can indeed be 99% sure it's safe to say it if we're town". And don't forget, if it's dangerous to say for Mafia, you'll most likely know on D2. Though maybe not, in fact, as that might've been a too easy way to make the Town win... Except if there is a Cult. Sorry, sorry, won't start about third parties again. :P

 

Would be willing to switch to Bard Babe but I'm not totally buying Leyrann's argument.  In his earlier posts, he seemed totally cognizant of the fact that "Scheveningen" was a shibboleth yet he is arguing that he wanted me to directly state my reasons?  That's either super obtuse or disingenuous.

 

I wanted reasons, as stated above, because I did not understand why it could in any way benefit me. And even if it's neutral for me, the more you press me, the less chance there is I'll say it... Either you have to don't care about it (or act like you don't), or you have to give me a good reason. Also, I'm pretty sure I've already said it earlier.

 

My stuff in bold.

I'm replying to (I think) 11 quotes here, so be prepared.

 

I found you the scummiest because your whole post voting Darthe was heavy-handed WIFOM and fluff.  That being said, I also find Starrik, Lenlo, and some of the others who have been saying Darthe is off to be scummy.  And the fact that you don't want to utter my shibboleth should be quite disturbing to all townies.

 

I didn't want to say that word because I saw no reason to. (and as Ithi said above, I can be quite stubborn)

Yes, yes you can, and its certainly not going to help the town.

 

 

I must say that I'm thinking much the same as ley here, but I'm not sure about voting yet, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there a similar role where the hammer voter gets killed? So yeah, some risk involved, not to mention the ley's argument above (where he did miss the possibility that Darth was a vanilla town acting as a Joker - unlikely, but then again  that's how WIFOMs work, right?)

 

A Townie doing this would be suiciding.

 

Question: Since this is a WW2 setup, would there be anyone would could fit the role of a Jester? I mean there are alot of things and people who would fit roles perfectly. Would anyone fit Jester? I agree with Ley though the pros out weigh the cons of lynching Darthe.

 

Vote Darthe

 

What else do you think there  could be with this theme?

 

Thought about that too, but I forgot when making my case...

 

 

 

I love when people have cases on me yet I happen to be town =).  

 

I started thinking a bit about this yesterday evening, and I'd have posted my case yesterday already if DM hadn't been down again.

 

So, what is this behavior?

 

1) It's really suspicious. A Townie wouldn't do it because people would suspect him to be Mafia, and a Mafia wouldn't do it because people would suspect him for it. The same for -most- Third Parties. And that's where we get to point 2.

 

2) He is maybe a Jester, a Third Party that wins if Lynched. This is the only way his behaviour would be positive for him, and as people have said, he knows the game, so he'll know that posts like this one have a big chance of getting him lynched.

 

HOWEVER, he also knows that we also know the game. I remember when a Jester was found, and everyone just ignored him further on (or was it her? I don't remember...). He could also be a Mafia, acting as a Jester, so that noone would vote him.

 

Now, there are four things that can happen:

 

1. He is Jester, and we don't lynch him. Outcome: Jester loses.

2. He is Jester and we lynch him. Outcome: Jester wins.

3. He is Mafia and we don't lynch him. Outcome: Mafia wins.

4. He is Mafia and we lynch him. Outcome: We get a Mafia killed on D1.

 

I'd say it's worth the chance of catching a Jester.

 

[color=#ff0000]vote Darthe[/color]

 

What a bunch of over-explained WIFOM crap.  Combine this with your reluctance to utter the word "Scheveningen" despite the fact that you seem to know what I am getting at, and I think we have found scum.

 

unvote

Vote: Leyrann

 

 

This really made me ROFLMFAO. What's wrong with me not saying that word? You can add me on Skype and I'll say it to you if you want. But I won't post it here. You're trying to get somewhere, and until I know you are town, I WILL NOT say that word. I think I remember some roles that include words being said, and I'm not sure they are all town aligned, nor do I feel like digging through the mafia wiki for that.

 

Also, please give me a decent reason to vote me. I wasn't WIFOMing, I know we have either a Jester or a Mafia, and it is clear that it's better to have a Jester killed (because a Jester doesn't give us any disadvancement by dying, except that he stops trying to die before the Mafia or Town wins) than a Mafia not killed (as he'd kill us one by one).

 

 

You don't *know* anything. You may be 100% sure of it, but that still doesn't mean its correct.

 

Why are you accusing everyone and their mother of being a 3rd party?

 

I think Darthe is either Mafia or Jester because he seems to want himself lynched with those posts he made (really, that was a damn scummy post...), so he either is the Jester, or a Mafia acting like a Jester. I am thinking you are maybe a Lyncher because you seem to really want to get me lynched. And that's it. Only 2 people.

 

I would also like to know how Leyrann is so certain of Darthe being either mafia or jester.

 

How?

 

He can be 3 things:

 

Town/not Jester Third Party, which means he was suicidal with that post, don't you agree?

Mafia, which means he was trying to look like a Jester, so that we would ignore him all game if he was lucky.

Jester, which means he was trying to die to win.

 

Now, if we kill a Jester, we won't lose. If we ignore a Mafia, we WILL lose. And that's why I think he should be lynched. Of course, he can be a town, but if you make a post "I like how everyone is accusing me while I am town" or something along those lines. then you really want to die or to be regarded as a Jester. If he's a town indeed, it's his own fault he gets lynched. And everyone here can be either town, mafia or third party. However, for him, we actually have a reason to think he is Mafia, while we don't have for others, at least not such a strong case (or is making the first real case of the game a case for you? Because that's what you have done).

 

Darthe's play seems very similar to his play last game, imo. Early hinting, antagonistic, semi-scummy. He turned out to be Town in that game. Not saying that he is this game too, but something to keep in mind.

 

 

Answer to first question: Have a look at the second quote you made. It explains it. Second part of this post: I just really didn't understand what he was doing, but the more I read today, the more I got convinced it is indeed a bit his playstyle. Will not put my unvote here, but at the bottom of my post, to make it easier.

 

Vote Leyrann

 

@Ithi - The only two people talking back and forth might be a result of wonky DM, so that's null to me.

 

I think that Darthe likes to play things dangerous and lives on the edge a lot. He's usually quite antagonistic and semi-scummy in someone's eye whether town or mafia.

 

However, my vote on you isn't about that, but your refusal to answer Wombat's secret word. I don't see any way that a mafia person would have power to use that word in a negative way given the theme.

 

Also willing to vote Despo for his vote inconsistency not matching with his reasonings.

 

And THAT'S what I needed. A reason to say that word. Scheveningen. Wombat just straight out kept refusing to explain why to say it...

 

So, again.

 

Scheveningen.

 

I need to spell it out?

 

S c h e v e n i n g e n

I find this a wierd reason to finally cave in. You didn't have enough with wombat's site, the recitations that it was a town word, and the people pointing out that at this point, resisting it just made you stand out more?

 

As above, I was stubborn, and then you really have to try very hard to convince me, but I knew it'd only get me lynched on D1, which would've benefitted the Mafia A LOT.

 

 

Scheveningen

 

Also, it appears I can now get online. Ley, I can understand thinking he might be a jester, I also wondered that. Your argument about Wombat being unlyncher seems a stretch though.

 

I know it was a bit a stretch... I think it also was a bit because I've been away from Mafia so long, and it felt like a rather weak case... Though, a thought that just occured to me, maybe Wombat has a role that he can investigate everyone who's said scheveningen, which would give him a good reason to push me.

 

See, I had this idea when we started the game.  It was risky but at the time it was profitable.  I offered information in exchange for acknowledgement because I wanted to know who would ask and who wouldn't.  Unfortunately, by the time some of you bothered to question me a bit the information that I have became significantly less valuable because of the actions of another player in the game.  However, my (in large part) silence has offered new opportunities to hunt down te mafiaz and so we proceed.  

 

I would like to take a moment to remind you all that mafia is a game of logic and reasoning.  A lot of the things done either by tradition, rote, or superstition on DM, things that have been built up by long time and your personal relationships with each other, are stupid.  Completely.  In order to find mafia we need to eliminate who those individual could not be as much as we need to mark who they could be.  AKA, you can clear people based on their actions alone, though the thought seems taboo to many here.  These long speeches and cases that have little impact are simple filler material.  A game could have been over in 12-20 pages and yet we still bicker wistfully over things that are by and large irrelevant.  Trust your gut, trust your logic.  If either is faulty share it anyhow.  If both are leading you in the same direction then push it.  Find townies as much as you find mafia.  Cause if we outnumber them we win.

 

Kill leyrann, he isn't helping the town.

 

Nice reasoning. It's that BG made an excellent case, or I wouldn't have unvoted you. Mostly becuase of this post you are still high on my list of very suspicous people.

 

How is Ley being overaggressive?

 

Making the first case of the game is always seen as agressive...

 

 

How is Ley being overaggressive?

He's going in very, very hard on darthe without allowing any possibility whatsoever that he might not be scum. Also pointing third-party fingers at everybody and their mother.

 

 

At everybody? 1-2 people =/= everybody. Darthe was only a possibility, as I said (if I had been sure he was the Jester, I'd have ignored him), and as you can read above, I take back what I said about Wombat.

You were still pushing it bloody hard for a 'possibility'. I don't like the fact that you're trying to back out of it after being so gung-ho.

 

I am backing out because there are stronger cases. I still was suspicous of Darthe.

 

Now not anymore though. He's really searching the game thorough and making good point after good point... Only about Turin I'm not sure if I agree. Not that I say he shouldn't be investigated though...

 

 

*rages*

DM apparently just ate my giant multi-quote list. *sigh* Alright, going to redo it, but I'll get this out of the way: Unvote, vote Ley it's obvious what is going on, you're just being bad scum/obtuse.

However, HoS on Darthe, and am completely willing to move my vote to him.

 

Dat bandwagoning...

 

Argh, double posts from everyone!!! Silly DM...

 

Refusing to say it is not scummy. If he was confirmed town, then yeah, it would be scummy, but he's not, he just says he is. However, that's just a principle thing, because as I said, I think Womby's town.

Anyway, you're right about the context which I've now read up on, it's a town-positive word, so I just wanna hear a response from Turin so I can figure out why I think they're connected. Then I'll say it. Unless they strike me as scummates, but that's a small possibility.

 

Also, before someone said something about Starry echoing the Darthe acting off thing. He was the first one to mention that I'm pretty sure, so that case at least wasn't echoing. The others were.

 

Time has been pinging me for some reason, that might explain why.

 

Anyway, thought about it a bit more:

 

Unfortunately, Darthe's snarkyness and hypocrisy is annoying, but I'm getting a town read, so he's a no vote.

 

Currently Ley has my vote for jumping straight to Jester and pushing it really hard. Sure, he could be a Jester, but there are several outcomes where he isn't, which are getting ignored.

 

Vote Ley

 

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Pushing it really hard? Ignoring outcomes where he's not a Jester? Yes, yes you were.

 

1) I only explained my reasoning once or twice when Wombat started arguing with me, that's not pushing.

2) I said he was maybe a Mafia, which was the reason to vote him, NOT because he was a Jester. I don't vote people who I think are most likely a Jester.

 

Also, I don't remember who said it, but I don't expect the game to end when the Jester is killed. That is just not a fun game, as it most likely ends on D1 or D2. I do know for sure I'd hate a Mod for doing that.

 

Warning! Warning! Scum Alert! Scum Alert!

For more information: Please see Bolded Below.

 

Hi, sorry, I'm back!

 

I haven't posted in any of my mafia games for the last couple of days, cloud thingy was freezing me every time I clicked on anything, so the only thing I've been any good for the last couple of days has been RPs and the odd SG post.

 

Aaaanyway...I don't want to say the word. Two reasons: I suspect Womby of just conning everyone into saying it for some diabolical reason, but I was going to say it anyway, the second reason is the main one: Turin's pushing it like crazy. Why? Is he involved with Wombat in some way? I'm not going to ask Womby to tell us why instead of incessantly hinting, but I will ask Turin to tell me why he's pushing it so hard.

 

Ley is suspicious to me only due to the jump to Jester. That was a bit too obscure for me, and the big push on Darthe. 

 

Darthe is over-aggressive as per usual, but he seems especially mean in this game. However, the main things bugging me are the lack of casing or defending himself. All he's done this game is make snarky comments, hint at his role and then post a little rant about how to play mafia, followed by a reasonless vote and absolutely no actual play. If you're going to rant about something, then do try not to be hypocritical about it.

 

 

Argh, double posts from everyone!!! Silly DM...

 

Refusing to say it is not scummy. If he was confirmed town, then yeah, it would be scummy, but he's not, he just says he is. However, that's just a principle thing, because as I said, I think Womby's town.

Anyway, you're right about the context which I've now read up on, it's a town-positive word, so I just wanna hear a response from Turin so I can figure out why I think they're connected. Then I'll say it. Unless they strike me as scummates, but that's a small possibility.

 

Also, before someone said something about Starry echoing the Darthe acting off thing. He was the first one to mention that I'm pretty sure, so that case at least wasn't echoing. The others were.

 

Time has been pinging me for some reason, that might explain why.

 

Anyway, thought about it a bit more:

 

Unfortunately, Darthe's snarkyness and hypocrisy is annoying, but I'm getting a town read, so he's a no vote.

 

Currently Ley has my vote for jumping straight to Jester and pushing it really hard. Sure, he could be a Jester, but there are several outcomes where he isn't, which are getting ignored.

 

Vote Ley

 

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Unvote: Vote Bard Babe

 

Inconsistent read and reasoning on Wombat, trying to info dig, wording arguments in a way that leaves an escape route: "It's a pro-town word, I'll say it if Turin tells me why he wants me to... unless I don't want to."

 

Straight out contradicting itself. Best case in the game so far.

 

unvote, vote Bard Babe

I have to admit thats a damning slip, but I still really don't trust you. So i'm going to UNVOTE VOTE LEY with a large FoS at bardy.

 

Soooo.... Why exactly did you end up voting me over someone who has made like 3 game related posts and had a BIG contradiction in it?

 

You don't *know* anything. You may be 100% sure of it, but that still doesn't mean its correct.

Leyrann, on 04 Dec 2012 - 14:34, said:

 

WWWwombat, on 04 Dec 2012 - 13:35, said:

Why are you accusing everyone and their mother of being a 3rd party?

 

I think Darthe is either Mafia or Jester because he seems to want himself lynched with those posts he made (really, that was a damn scummy post...), so he either is the Jester, or a Mafia acting like a Jester. I am thinking you are maybe a Lyncher because you seem to really want to get me lynched. And that's it. Only 2 people.

 

WWWwombat, on 04 Dec 2012 - 13:42, said:

I would also like to know how Leyrann is so certain of Darthe being either mafia or jester.

 

How?

 

He can be 3 things:

 

Town/not Jester Third Party, which means he was suicidal with that post, don't you agree?

Mafia, which means he was trying to look like a Jester, so that we would ignore him all game if he was lucky.

Jester, which means he was trying to die to win.

 

Now, if we kill a Jester, we won't lose. If we ignore a Mafia, we WILL lose. And that's why I think he should be lynched. Of course, he can be a town, but if you make a post "I like how everyone is accusing me while I am town" or something along those lines. then you really want to die or to be regarded as a Jester. If he's a town indeed, it's his own fault he gets lynched. And everyone here can be either town, mafia or third party. However, for him, we actually have a reason to think he is Mafia, while we don't have for others, at least not such a strong case (or is making the first real case of the game a case for you? Because that's what you have done).

 

Darthe's play seems very similar to his play last game, imo. Early hinting, antagonistic, semi-scummy. He turned out to be Town in that game. Not saying that he is this game too, but something to keep in mind.

 

 

Answer to first question: Have a look at the second quote you made. It explains it. Second part of this post: I just really didn't understand what he was doing, but the more I read today, the more I got convinced it is indeed a bit his playstyle.

 

Forgot this. No, your second post exacerbates it. You still don't 'know' that he's mafia or jester. (Unless of course you're mafia as well.) Your second post even states as much by listing townie as an option (and then immediately dismissing it, but still). Again, you were pretty damn gung-ho about darthe, and now that you got burned you're backing out from it.

 

Mostly semantics, but semantics are important. Especially in mafia.

 

I backed out from it because, as I said above, there were stronger cases. My vote will always be on the strongest case.

 

BG, the tipping point for Ley seemed to be that you voted him specifically for his refusal. So his saying it would appear a direct attempt to get you to remove your vote.

 

That us my opinion anyway.

 

Wrong. I said it because I saw a reason to.

 

As i mentioned, it felt like once he started catching lots of flak he tried backing out of all his cases.

 

See above.

 

I remember it was Leyrann who first mentioned that it was a special spy detecting password though. When I looked it up on google I just got the reference to the Hague - which is where the war crimes trials were - and didn't know about it's other use until Ley pointed it out.

 

Given that, I would like to know why he then asked for a reason why he should say it - when he was the one who actually explained what it was used for.

 

See above again. I wanted to know why I should say it.

 

And yeah, I might indeed have been the first to mention it was a password.

 

Also, if I reach 11 votes before I can make my next post, please wait hammering me until I defended myself one last time. I once got bandwagoned from not enough votes to expect a lynch (and I in fact don't expect it now, as I have the feeling BB's case is a lot stronger) to a lynch within two times I could be online. That time, I was the doctor. Just like now, I think it was a D1 lynch, maybe D2. I do not want something similar to happen this time. And NO, that is NOT a soft reveal (I am NOT the doctor), except that I mean I'm town.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Ok, I can't really find it, and I'm just too tired and annoyed to go all the way back, but when I first posted that I thought Darthe was acting a bit off - Tina said she agreed with me 'and the others' but I think I was the first to mention that.

 

When I said I didn't like people agreeing with me so easily on Day one - because sometimes I feel like I'm left to lead so much, and queried who the 'others' were she states that actually she is a bit suspicious of me.

 

She looks forwards to Darthe's post about her, and then does an agreeing 'nod' to one of his posts. So I think she is just going along with the flow and doing exactly what she is accusing me of - letting others make cases and tagging along /sitting back.

 

It was BG's post about BardBabe being inconsistent that reminded me that one minute Tina was all for agreeing with me, and the next that I'm just sitting back and letting others do all the work.

 

And with regards to Ley, he has just posted a response to my request for an explanation as to why he wouldn't say the password when he knew it was a password. I can believe that Ley would take the explanation of how that password was used very literally - which means to him if would not work unless he said it out loud. Of course that can't be done by typing words on a forum. He is also sometimes very stubborn and difficult to turn around once he is set on a course of action. I don't think Ley is Mafia, I just think he sometimes finds it difficult to think outside the box - not that that's a bad thing - it's just how he is :)

[Niniel]

 

Ithi - gets suspicious of people that agrees with her. Of course people will think the same, especially this early in the game when there is not much to react to. (Well, now it is.) It sounds like she just threw out that comment - trying to just look town? Usually she is one of the leading voices but not so much this time. Feels like she is lying low. She is not high on my FoS list but just wanted to comment on it.

 

This is what I said about you, Ithi.

 

And yes, I´m mostly watching others right now. :)

[Ithillian Turambar]

I'm mostly drinking pink cava.

[Niniel]

I´m trying to go to bed. But I need to take at least 15 steps to get to the bed...

[Basel Gill]

Darthe (3): Thorum, Ithi, Starry

Ley (7): Turin, Despo, Womby, Darthe, Snowy, BB, Maw

Smiley (1): Chuckles

Rand (1): Len

Thorum (1): Tina

Chuckles (1): RTE

BB (4): BG, Ley, Smiley, Rand

 

Not voting (5): Falcon, Random, Kaylee, Time, Tress

 

With 23 alive it takes 12 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Friday, Dec. 7th at 9 PM EST.

 

http://www.timeandda...21207T21&p0=422

[Ithillian Turambar]

I hate mutliquoted multiquotes. It's like when I had to do my dissertation all those years ago - you couldn't say anything without quoting something that someone else had said first, to back up your argument. It's like having an original thought was bad.

 

And now all I see is repeated utra-multiquotes in mafia. Do people really think that they HAVE to do it to be taken seriously. I much prefer to take things in as they happen and file it all in my memory - that way it's all together and I can see when various little things just don't fit right.

 

Perhaps it's because I've never had the multiquote action, but it just seems like a lot of filler to me. Especially the re-re-re-requoted multi posts. Just say what you mean!!

 

 

[Lenlo]

 

How is it a weak arguement Darthe? I asked for a real case instead of BS and you still refuse to give it to me. That's not a weak arguement, heck it's not even an arguement it's a demand.

 

Call it anti-town if you want but you've don't nothing but go back on promises and make really long posts that look like your actually doing something.

 

 

You seem upset.

 

I feel a lot better about the things I said now.

 

Call it upset if you will, your word twisting does nothing to change my point. You have yet to deliver a real case in my eyes on anyone.

[Darthe]

@ Ithi, I will get to you next.

 

@ Lenlo, why should your opinion of my casework matter?  You have yet to contribute to this game, which is anti-town, and seem only to pop up to prod at others and defend yourself.  Literally every post you made up to that point was quoted and you have no grounds to hide behind or speak on.  Instead of trying to taunt me, if you are town why don't you give us a reason that you should live?

 

@ everyone, my sincere apologies for being "odd" as of late.  Much of it is irrelevant to you all but needless to say I am doing a finals thesis on the study of reality and free will being creations of the brain (aka hard ass work), sleeping 3-5 hours a night (for the past several weeks), modding a game (and getting another started) and playing in 3.  Currently if I have an idea in mafia and think it may benefit at all I am putting it out there and today is the first day I have not had substantial homework.  So yes, there was intent to reveal when I made my initial post.  Yes, their is a reason which is now mostly irrelevant.  No, because of the events that happened in the first game it did not go as planned, and contrary to the feelings of some others I do not consider this some "master plan" of mine that I put everything into.  It was an intended action that I have decided to hold off on until I can better judge the situation and in the process of holding off it has inadvertently and unintentionally opened the game up a bit.  I would rather be lucky than good any day.  

 

I hope this clears things up a big for each of you so that we can move on.  Or hell, keep focusing on me!  The ego really likes to shine and I love to see what you have to say.

[wheeloftime13]

Seeing as I don't know how to quote multiple things from different pages, I'm going to have to go with seperate posts...

 

 

Time - you have posted a lot but doesn´t really say anything or vote. Why is that? Are you on the same team as Thorum?

 

Some thoughts after reading the thread:

 

For some reason I mix up Ley and Rand. I don´t know why. This will be a tough game. I really don´t like when people start to talk about jesters early in the games. There are always aggressive players or players that plays weird or players that play really bad - that doesn´t mean that they are jesters.

 

Scheveningen. I agree that people who refuses to say it looks scummy. Wombat may bluff but refusing to say it is still scummy.

 

Ithi - gets suspicious of people that agrees with her. Of course people will think the same, especially this early in the game when there is not much to react to. (Well, now it is.) It sounds like she just threw out that comment - trying to just look town? Usually she is one of the leading voices but not so much this time. Feels like she is lying low. She is not high on my FoS list but just wanted to comment on it.

 

Darthe - annoying. First he has good information that is good for town but now he will not share. I don´t understand it. And the little "how to play" - speech. Why? I think people do their best. If I should only use logic then I wouldn´t be able to play at all. I´m not that smart.

 

And since I´m not that smart - what was that symbol, Maw?

 

Suspects: Thorum, Time, Ley, Rand.

 

I suspected Thorum ever since his first post and he has done nothing to change my mind.

 

In response to the bolded part, I'm a member of the Allies. As for voting, it's because I'm waiting to see how things pan out, if I feel extremely strong about someone being mafia, I'll vote for them. However, nobody is making me feel that way as of right now, although some are close.

[wheeloftime13]

Argh, double posts from everyone!!! Silly DM...

 

Refusing to say it is not scummy. If he was confirmed town, then yeah, it would be scummy, but he's not, he just says he is. However, that's just a principle thing, because as I said, I think Womby's town.

Anyway, you're right about the context which I've now read up on, it's a town-positive word, so I just wanna hear a response from Turin so I can figure out why I think they're connected. Then I'll say it. Unless they strike me as scummates, but that's a small possibility.

 

Also, before someone said something about Starry echoing the Darthe acting off thing. He was the first one to mention that I'm pretty sure, so that case at least wasn't echoing. The others were.

 

Time has been pinging me for some reason, that might explain why.

 

Anyway, thought about it a bit more:

 

Unfortunately, Darthe's snarkyness and hypocrisy is annoying, but I'm getting a town read, so he's a no vote.

 

Currently Ley has my vote for jumping straight to Jester and pushing it really hard. Sure, he could be a Jester, but there are several outcomes where he isn't, which are getting ignored.

 

Vote Ley

 

(The colour text thing is blank...)

 

What do you mean by that? All you say is "that might explain why." As I assume you meant it to be something referring to the sentence(s) above it, I read that, and could see no reason as you put it.

[Starrik]

Here's the Darthe I've come to expect. Aaaaaand I'm still voting him, oops. Unvote. For the record BB, I was not the first person to mention Darthe's off behaviour, I didn't think to mention it until after Ithi, so it did look like a soft echo. I'm going to FoS BB, inconsistancies and some seemingly unfounded facts. I'd be willing to lynch her to avoid a random, but I don't quite think the case on her is enough to warrant a vote from me. I'm very suspicious of time for the WoT that she still seems to be in the middle of writing. Darthe is casing everyone, there's no train on you, nor a single vote. A town claim seems useless and overly-defensive here.

[wheeloftime13]

wheeloftime13: Total Posts, 14 (according to DM, I found 15)

 

Page 1

 

1. Hello 

 

2. Hello 

 

 

Page 2

 

3. ..... I lived in Pearl Harbor and was there when they shot the movie, it was really cool watching the planes flying around

 

 

Page 3

 

4. Ithi, that's so cute! Is he yours?

 

5. RTE... make sure that you don't edit your posts

 

Page 4

 

6. wow

 

7. RTE... make sure that you don't edit your posts

 

 

Page 5

 

8. no, it's good... I did that my first game, too...

 

9. .... the taint... it's too much!!!

 

naw, just kidding...

 

 

Page 7

 

10. I'll say that I think Day 1 is mainly about experimenting and it is in no way "useless" just because we may accidentally lynch a town memeber. there are plenty of good games where we lynch mafia on the first day, and get good feelings on who our teammates are.

 

 

Page 8

 

11. What does that mean if you don't mind my asking?

 

 

Page 9

 

12. Interesting word....

 

13.  the place sounds pretty enough, though....

 

 

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14. Darthe, how do you know that Ley isn't helping town? Please share...

 

15. Scheveningen

 

is it pronounced with spittle?

 

 

 

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My thoughts:  This person isn't really playing.  Their is no effort here, more coasting by than anything.  We do not even see many votes or actions in relationship to other players.  While most would say that this is null, I consider it a liability.  We cannot make effective decisions about WoT so currently WoT cannot be allowed to live to endgame for the WIFOM that it creates.  Please step your game up.

 

This is how I normally play, and to be honest, this is the most I've posted on the first day. I don't have much to say because I tend not to read way too much into things. As for the votes, I explained to Tina, I don't really vote for someone unless there's a deadline coming up really soon, or someone seriously pings me, which nobody is doing right now even though there are some close. And the last part , I'll admit that I'm not trying to make enemies or let anyone think I'm automatically mafia like they have every time I've played (I've only survived one thanks to Ithi, otherwise I would've been out the first three days). I'm not going to claim because I think that town needs every person it can get, whether or not they have a special role or are just vanilla. I will say that my character is probably well known to the older people, but I'll admit that even though my dad is all about World War II and teaches my siblings and me about a lot of it, I didn't know him until I looked him up. A town member is not a liability, and therefore I think that I should be watched (as I'm sure you guys are already), and unless I do or say something seriously bad for town, kept alive for now.

[Lenlo]

@ Lenlo, why should your opinion of my casework matter? You have yet to contribute to this game, which is anti-town, and seem only to pop up to prod at others and defend yourself. Literally every post you made up to that point was quoted and you have no grounds to hide behind or speak on. Instead of trying to taunt me, if you are town why don't you give us a reason that you should live.

I'm not trying to taunt you Darthe, they are serious things. To quote you "You seem upset. I feel better about my words.".

 

Yet to contribute to the game, so anti town... I call my vote, my voice and these responses contributing so this is moot. Especially if you go back and look at your post on Starry((? Can't check who exactly right now. Maybe Falcon)) you'll see they have yet to "contribute as we'll yet you call that a null tell on them. Be consistent.

 

I claim this land in the name of the Spanish Inquisition! I now have speaking grounds.

 

Finally my defense is I'm town. Go ahead a check me with whatever you want. Questions, Womby, anything. It will all say the exact same thing I'm saying right now. I'm town.

[Basel Gill]

48 hours till deadline.

 

Darthe (2): Thorum, Ithi

Ley (7): Turin, Despo, Womby, Darthe, Snowy, BB, Maw

Smiley (1): Chuckles

Rand (1): Len

Thorum (1): Tina

Chuckles (1): RTE

BB (4): BG, Ley, Smiley, Rand

 

Not voting (6): Falcon, Random, Kaylee, Time, Tress, Starry

 

With 23 alive it takes 12 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Friday, Dec. 7th at 9 PM EST.

 

http://www.timeandda...21207T21&p0=422

[randomh3r0]

Hey everyone,

 

So apparently my iPhone can no longer access the site from Safari, so while I figure out the communities app, I'm going to be limited to play after work (such as now)

 

As I'm doing my catching-up, would someone explain the Schevenigan (sp?) thing? I've tried my best to catch up and get a feel for people, but I must have missed what started the whole thing. 

 

@Darthe, I really dig that system you're using for summing up people's play: like mafia cliffnotes. (though I would recommend everyone actually check for accuracy from time to time) 

 

@Despo, I haven't found a single WoT from you yet, slacking? :)

 

I aim to have a vote placed, or at least some questions for a couple players within the next couple of hours. 

[Darthe]

^ It is the reason I have began to get annoyed with loooong games.  They create too much disturbance and cause too many issues, people flip back and forth a million times unnoticed, and it prevents good casework and Isolation posting, which are critical to assessing logic accurately.  Before joining MS I had no idea a game could be done in under 30 pages without inactivity and I had no idea how effective, or mathematically precise, a person could trace tells in people.  I knew it worked that way in real life games but didn't realize that the verbose way it is played around here was not compensation for an inability to interact with others but rather a site staple.

[Netbattler11]

Darthe, if you really hate it that much, then go play on MS. I am seriously sick and tired of your yelling about playstyles in general. We play to have fun, and having someone bitching all the time is not fun. There's always a certain amount of bickering in mafia, but i really feel like you're pushing the limit with attacking people on a personal level.

[Netbattler11]

Yes, we play long, verbose games with lots of discussion. Thats the way we enjoy playing. You're not going to change that by yelling at us.

[Darthe]

Relax brah, no yelling just offering different options.  I like the crowd here, I simply question the methodology.  This is still my home base, but should I be cast aside for attempting to influence the metagame?

[Netbattler11]

 

 

 

There has been a remarkable run of mafia being lynched Day 1 in recent history by the players paying attention to what is being said. That you and Thorum both have stated that finding mafia Day 1 is old thinking. If the town works to find them we can smoke them out. To just sit and say "day one is useless" is anti-town IMO.

 

Agreed. I used to think that Day 1 was more random than not, it was The Way Things Were. Now we've realized how it can be used for good. However, I think there are some folks here who maybe haven't played in a while who might not realize the change, so I'm not too keen on auto-Fosing people for the thought.

 

 

In fact, I always believed this, but it just doesn't work if others don't, so we always ended with random kills anyways back then...

 

Ok ... I googled.

 

Scheveningen ([ˈsχeːvənɪŋə(n)] ( listen)) is one of the eight districts of The Hague, as well as a subdistrict (wijk) of that city. Scheveningen is a modern seaside resort with a long sandy beach, an esplanade, a pier, and a lighthouse. The beach is popular for water sports such as windsurfing and kiteboarding.[1] A nudist section is 1 km to the north.

 

Who knew the Hague had a nudist section. Apparently it's also a name for a variation of the Sicilian defence in Chess. One should never mess with sicillians!!

 

Add to that the the first letters of the word, "sch" are pronounced as in the English "school" by English people, like they should be by Dutch people (a sound that does not exist in English by the way), and like "sh" in eg "shine" by German people. So if you asked people to say the password (which was purposefully made known everywhere), you knew if they were English, Dutch or German.

 

Indeed.  In fact, the phonetic properties of the word "Scheveningen" make it very relevant to this game:

 

https://sesquiotic.wordpress.com/tag/scheveningen/

 

 

Once again, I would request that people post the word.  Thank you.

 

Here ya go Random.