[ADVANCED] World War II Mafia: JAPAN WINS!

[RandA lThor]

Scheveningen

 

Also, my post about voting Thorum was a failed attempt to catch someone who would eagerly vote me.

 

unvote

[Starrik]

unvote vote Darthe

Something is severely off with his play, he's playing like a first timer more than the experienced player he is. He's soft claimed, and weakly claimed town as well and none of this sits well with me.

[Basel Gill]

I only just now realized I haven't been remembering to include the list of non-voters.

 

Despo (1): Tress

Darthe (4): Maw, Thorum, Ithi, Starry

Starry (1): BB

Ley (2): Turin, Despo

Ithi (1): Snow

Smiley (1): Chuckles

Rand (1): Len

Thorum (2): Tina, Womby

Tress (1): Darthe

Chuckles (1): RTE

 

Not voting (9): Falcon, Random, Smiley, Rand, Ley, BG, Kaylee, Time, Snow

 

With 23 alive it takes 12 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Friday, Dec. 7th at 9 PM EST.

 

http://www.timeandda...21207T21&p0=422

[Kaylee]

Darthe's play seems like he's trying to pull something, so for now I'm just keeping an eye on him.  Not really too sure of anyone atm.

[RandA lThor]

See the thing is that Darthe is off his town meta as well as his mafia meta.  I personally think like Kaylee just said is that he is trying to pull something, and I am leaning towards vanilla town for him.

[Thorum]

Two points:

 

- I answered on the question "how do you like being on a QT?" in a general manner. Without that last sentence, everyone would have taken it as if I'm confirming being on one, instead of giving a general response.

 

- Scheveningen. Interesting story. In Flanders, the phrase "Schild en vriend" was used for the same reasons: non-Flemish are unable to pronounce it correctly ;D  Btw, the "ch" sound does occur in Scottish, fe as last letter in the word "loch".

[Basel Gill]

Falcon and Random still haven't checked in. They have until the end of Day 1 to start contributing to the game, or they will be replaced.

[Darthe]

Falcon almost certainly won't be here.  Also, I am having DM troubles so if you want to replace me when you're able I understand Basel.  My apologies.

[Basel Gill]

Darthe, since everyone including myself seems to be having DM troubles, I don't plan on replacing people over that. You've still been posting somewhat regularly.

[Leyrann]

  On 12/3/2012 at 8:23 PM, Darthe said:

I love when people have cases on me yet I happen to be town =).  

 

I started thinking a bit about this yesterday evening, and I'd have posted my case yesterday already if DM hadn't been down again.

 

So, what is this behavior?

 

1) It's really suspicious. A Townie wouldn't do it because people would suspect him to be Mafia, and a Mafia wouldn't do it because people would suspect him for it. The same for -most- Third Parties. And that's where we get to point 2.

 

2) He is maybe a Jester, a Third Party that wins if Lynched. This is the only way his behaviour would be positive for him, and as people have said, he knows the game, so he'll know that posts like this one have a big chance of getting him lynched.

 

HOWEVER, he also knows that we also know the game. I remember when a Jester was found, and everyone just ignored him further on (or was it her? I don't remember...). He could also be a Mafia, acting as a Jester, so that noone would vote him.

 

Now, there are four things that can happen:

 

1. He is Jester, and we don't lynch him. Outcome: Jester loses.

2. He is Jester and we lynch him. Outcome: Jester wins.

3. He is Mafia and we don't lynch him. Outcome: Mafia wins.

4. He is Mafia and we lynch him. Outcome: We get a Mafia killed on D1.

 

I'd say it's worth the chance of catching a Jester.

 

[color=#ff0000]vote Darthe[/color]

[Leyrann]

Okay, DM fails.

 

vote Darthe

[Smiley73]

I must say that I'm thinking much the same as ley here, but I'm not sure about voting yet, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there a similar role where the hammer voter gets killed? So yeah, some risk involved, not to mention the ley's argument above (where he did miss the possibility that Darth was a vanilla town acting as a Joker - unlikely, but then again  that's how WIFOMs work, right?)

[Niniel]

Guys, I´m only posting the "necessary" today. I have had migraine almost all night and day so I don´t feel way. I´m home tomorrow so I will have time to read and post then.

[Lenlo]

Question: Since this is a WW2 setup, would there be anyone would could fit the role of a Jester? I mean there are alot of things and people who would fit roles perfectly. Would anyone fit Jester? I agree with Ley though the pros out weigh the cons of lynching Darthe.

 

Vote Darthe

 

What else do you think there  could be with this theme?

[WWWwombat]

  On 12/4/2012 at 3:17 PM, Leyrann said:

 

  On 12/3/2012 at 8:23 PM, Darthe said:

I love when people have cases on me yet I happen to be town =).  

 

I started thinking a bit about this yesterday evening, and I'd have posted my case yesterday already if DM hadn't been down again.

 

So, what is this behavior?

 

1) It's really suspicious. A Townie wouldn't do it because people would suspect him to be Mafia, and a Mafia wouldn't do it because people would suspect him for it. The same for -most- Third Parties. And that's where we get to point 2.

 

2) He is maybe a Jester, a Third Party that wins if Lynched. This is the only way his behaviour would be positive for him, and as people have said, he knows the game, so he'll know that posts like this one have a big chance of getting him lynched.

 

HOWEVER, he also knows that we also know the game. I remember when a Jester was found, and everyone just ignored him further on (or was it her? I don't remember...). He could also be a Mafia, acting as a Jester, so that noone would vote him.

 

Now, there are four things that can happen:

 

1. He is Jester, and we don't lynch him. Outcome: Jester loses.

2. He is Jester and we lynch him. Outcome: Jester wins.

3. He is Mafia and we don't lynch him. Outcome: Mafia wins.

4. He is Mafia and we lynch him. Outcome: We get a Mafia killed on D1.

 

I'd say it's worth the chance of catching a Jester.

 

[color=#ff0000]vote Darthe[/color]

 

What a bunch of over-explained WIFOM crap.  Combine this with your reluctance to utter the word "Scheveningen" despite the fact that you seem to know what I am getting at, and I think we have found scum.

 

unvote

Vote: Leyrann

[WWWwombat]

Also, I am highly suspicious of all the people saying Darthe is off.  I have seen nothing wrong with his play.

[Turin Turambar]

Feeling a lot better about my Ley vote. What a pile of poo.

 

Big FoS to Lenlo for hopping on. Then adding setup talk to the mix.

[Lenlo]

Wombat, why are you so focused on getting us to say that word? At this point I cant help but think that you have a power that only works on those who say that word and I dont want to say it until I know what it is.

 

Call it paranoia but I dont care.

[WWWwombat]

  On 12/4/2012 at 6:16 PM, Lenlo said:

Wombat, why are you so focused on getting us to say that word? At this point I cant help but think that you have a power that only works on those who say that word and I dont want to say it until I know what it is.

 

Call it paranoia but I dont care.

I have all but spelled it out.

[bgrishinko]

Scheveningen

[Lenlo]

Were? Because I must have missed it then.

[WWWwombat]

  On 12/3/2012 at 11:44 PM, WWWwombat said:

 

  On 12/3/2012 at 8:22 PM, Leyrann said:

 

  On 12/3/2012 at 5:56 PM, bgrishinko said:

 

  On 12/2/2012 at 8:56 PM, Turin Turambar said:

There has been a remarkable run of mafia being lynched Day 1 in recent history by the players paying attention to what is being said. That you and Thorum both have stated that finding mafia Day 1 is old thinking. If the town works to find them we can smoke them out. To just sit and say "day one is useless" is anti-town IMO.

 

Agreed. I used to think that Day 1 was more random than not, it was The Way Things Were. Now we've realized how it can be used for good. However, I think there are some folks here who maybe haven't played in a while who might not realize the change, so I'm not too keen on auto-Fosing people for the thought.

 

 

In fact, I always believed this, but it just doesn't work if others don't, so we always ended with random kills anyways back then...

 

  On 12/3/2012 at 8:05 PM, Ithillian said:

Ok ... I googled.

 

Scheveningen ([ˈsχeːvənɪŋə(n)] ( listen)) is one of the eight districts of The Hague, as well as a subdistrict (wijk) of that city. Scheveningen is a modern seaside resort with a long sandy beach, an esplanade, a pier, and a lighthouse. The beach is popular for water sports such as windsurfing and kiteboarding.[1] A nudist section is 1 km to the north.

 

Who knew the Hague had a nudist section. Apparently it's also a name for a variation of the Sicilian defence in Chess. One should never mess with sicillians!!

 

Add to that the the first letters of the word, "sch" are pronounced as in the English "school" by English people, like they should be by Dutch people (a sound that does not exist in English by the way), and like "sh" in eg "shine" by German people. So if you asked people to say the password (which was purposefully made known everywhere), you knew if they were English, Dutch or German.

 

Indeed.  In fact, the phonetic properties of the word "Scheveningen" make it very relevant to this game:

 

https://sesquiotic.wordpress.com/tag/scheveningen/

 

 

Once again, I would request that people post the word.  Thank you.

 

[Lenlo]

I still dont trust this.

 

 

Scheveningen

[lolguy26]

Scheveningen

 

After reading all that twice I still didn't get it

[Leyrann]

  On 12/4/2012 at 4:26 PM, Smiley73 said:

I must say that I'm thinking much the same as ley here, but I'm not sure about voting yet, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there a similar role where the hammer voter gets killed? So yeah, some risk involved, not to mention the ley's argument above (where he did miss the possibility that Darth was a vanilla town acting as a Joker - unlikely, but then again  that's how WIFOMs work, right?)

 

A Townie doing this would be suiciding.

 

  On 12/4/2012 at 5:54 PM, Lenlo said:

Question: Since this is a WW2 setup, would there be anyone would could fit the role of a Jester? I mean there are alot of things and people who would fit roles perfectly. Would anyone fit Jester? I agree with Ley though the pros out weigh the cons of lynching Darthe.

 

Vote Darthe

 

What else do you think there  could be with this theme?

 

Thought about that too, but I forgot when making my case...

 

  On 12/4/2012 at 5:56 PM, WWWwombat said:

 

  On 12/4/2012 at 3:17 PM, Leyrann said:

 

  On 12/3/2012 at 8:23 PM, Darthe said:

I love when people have cases on me yet I happen to be town =).  

 

I started thinking a bit about this yesterday evening, and I'd have posted my case yesterday already if DM hadn't been down again.

 

So, what is this behavior?

 

1) It's really suspicious. A Townie wouldn't do it because people would suspect him to be Mafia, and a Mafia wouldn't do it because people would suspect him for it. The same for -most- Third Parties. And that's where we get to point 2.

 

2) He is maybe a Jester, a Third Party that wins if Lynched. This is the only way his behaviour would be positive for him, and as people have said, he knows the game, so he'll know that posts like this one have a big chance of getting him lynched.

 

HOWEVER, he also knows that we also know the game. I remember when a Jester was found, and everyone just ignored him further on (or was it her? I don't remember...). He could also be a Mafia, acting as a Jester, so that noone would vote him.

 

Now, there are four things that can happen:

 

1. He is Jester, and we don't lynch him. Outcome: Jester loses.

2. He is Jester and we lynch him. Outcome: Jester wins.

3. He is Mafia and we don't lynch him. Outcome: Mafia wins.

4. He is Mafia and we lynch him. Outcome: We get a Mafia killed on D1.

 

I'd say it's worth the chance of catching a Jester.

 

[color=#ff0000]vote Darthe[/color]

 

What a bunch of over-explained WIFOM crap.  Combine this with your reluctance to utter the word "Scheveningen" despite the fact that you seem to know what I am getting at, and I think we have found scum.

 

unvote

Vote: Leyrann

 

 

This really made me ROFLMFAO. What's wrong with me not saying that word? You can add me on Skype and I'll say it to you if you want. But I won't post it here. You're trying to get somewhere, and until I know you are town, I WILL NOT say that word. I think I remember some roles that include words being said, and I'm not sure they are all town aligned, nor do I feel like digging through the mafia wiki for that.

 

Also, please give me a decent reason to vote me. I wasn't WIFOMing, I know we have either a Jester or a Mafia, and it is clear that it's better to have a Jester killed (because a Jester doesn't give us any disadvancement by dying, except that he stops trying to die before the Mafia or Town wins) than a Mafia not killed (as he'd kill us one by one).