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JLM. Despo also caught my attention. I'm suspicious of Sakaea.

 

I'm gonna have to reread. Yesterday I was setting up a future defence of Wombat, if it should be between him and someone else, or in case of my dying enough to clear him. Miller, well that would have been interesting. Good thing a cop wouldn't have revealed themselves for that, when I knew he was town. With my probably obvious signalling, There might be clues in who responded. Sakaea fos'd that, and EP looked so annoyed when I voted I wondered whether the mafia speculated I might be symp.

 

I hesitate on this, but it will come out sooner or later, and there is no need for any more subterfuge. Having the possibility of being a symp might have the mafia confused, but I think if they're going to trip further, they'll do it even without my help. Best I tell straight on now that Wombat can no longer be lynched, clearing up things is good for town: wombat was my unlynchee, now I win with town as any other. I'm not sure what a cop finds on a third-party role.

 

I'm aware I'll probably be lynched if no better suspects are found, but for the moment there's enough, I think my play yesterday makes sense with this.

Tiinker Veteran

Tiinker

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The idea makes sense. I've never played with one of those before. Basic game my butt BG!

 

Rand pointing out how Wombat's death was a good thing still bugs me. Trying to but a smile on an NK like that when there were way better people for the cop to view that night.

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Tiinker

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Quicklynch also looking pretty scumlike from the two people above me, neither of which gave their own proper input but just seem to be voting in order to snuggle up to our closest town member. Nightstrike wasn't even on the Lily lynch and didn't speak up in the day. Best way for a scum to distance from a buddy is to ignore them completely.

 

Vote Nightstrike

bgrishinko Grand Master

bgrishinko

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Official Vote Count:

 

JLM(4): Ithi, GF, Nightstrike, JohnSnow

 

Nightstrike(1): Tiinker

 

 

Not Voting(12): Peace, Rand2, Turin, Misheru, Alanna, Wot13, Lulz, Nolder, Despo, Darthe, Kae, JLM

 

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Monday @ Noon CT.

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20120826T12&p0=70&msg=Deadline

wheeloftime13 Spam Master

wheeloftime13

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I have to agree with people on this.... and I highly doubt that if Ithi was Mafia, she'd go for getting the Godfather killed because she's an experienced player JLM, so.... vote JLM

Sakaea Master

Sakaea

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The JLM lynch is building too fast for my taste. Scum trying to push an easy townie lynch?

 

Not sure who I wanna vote for yet.

Darthe Spam Master

Darthe

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I am debating Kae and JLM. EP's play is very... normal for him but I do not understand what he could have been talking about other than JLM. Still I am trying to consider the possibility.

michellem Grand Master

michellem

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Well, I have a stronger feel for Despo than JLM. He was the first to jump on the Rand-train when Lily's train was building. I'll sift trough the thread now and see if I can find anything to make this more than just a hunch.

michellem Grand Master

michellem

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Ok, here goes... My case on Despo.

 

 

My vote on you was first when I begain to type it, however the inclusion of reasons and game related thoughts caused it to be ninja'd by Tiinker. It matters not, although do you think it a dubious vote because it was a second vote on you, or because I actually gave reasons thus making it clear that it was not a so called joke vote or just because it was a vote from me :biggrin:

 

Have you voted anyone yet? No? Too nervous to make an early vote incase someone twigs you are Mafia this early on in a game? Unless you have at some point and I just haven't noticed.

 

My my someone's overly aggressive this game. I had been about to put my vote on Mish for this quote right here:

 

I wasn't trying to make anyone reveal character, just making conversation. I think it's interesting to think about wich book might be what role, just for the entertainment.

 

Since it seemed a bit overdefensive (I never said she was trying to get character reveals), but in light of you being off your meta I'll go ahead and Vote Ithi.

 

 

 

Starts of from the get-go putting heat on Ithi and myself, for pretty weak reasons.

 

How does it matter if you've mentioned somebody elses name in your post? Bandwagon doesn't mean buddying up does it? Lily's vote was placed with 0 additional reasoning outside what anyone else has already said. I don't know why you're trying to point out that I'm "trumping weird things" when I haven't done anything far out of the ordinary.

 

Just because you think Lily's reasoning for her vote was similar to someone else's doesn't mean she's bandwagoning. She could have come to the same conclusions I did separately on her own. Now if she had just come out and said "Despo's case on Ithi makes sense" and voted Ithi, THEN you could say she was bandwagoning. She made no mention of anyone else's case but her own.

 

That's the kind of thing you are trumping up. Plus the fact that you voted me to begin with - you said it was to get reactions. Well placing a weird jokeish vote on someone to "get reactions" is also trumping stuff up.

 

 

 

 

Part of a longer post where he points fingers at everyone else and argue with their logic, but defends Lily hard.

 

 

 

So according to you, provided I'm not mentioning anyone's name in particular and have given the "I think this person has acting scummy" reasoning then it's not a bandwagon. So not true. How is my Day 1 vote anything other than to stir up a reaction and get the game rolling? The only reason it comes off as "weird" is cuz it's on you and not someone else.

 

I said her first vote was legit when you came in to post, clearly without having the rest of the thread, just for the sake of posting. A vote like that is fair enough. And then I said that the rest of her play wasn't particularly town like but not enough to warrant 5 votes before the deadline was even given.

 

I don't care if you have a diff definition of the word bandwagon, I'm just telling you what I see it as. I didn't personally see Lily's vote as a bandwagon vote. It's kind of like how some people accuse someone of an OMGUS vote, even when there is good reasoning behind the vote.

 

The reason your vote on me was weird was that you aren't one known for pot-stirring. If you were Red or Mynd or someone else like that, then it wouldn't have been weird at all. But no matter how you slice it, placing a random vote to stir things up IS trumping stuff up. You're literally causing reactions that wouldn't have been there without your vote, so that was another example of you trumping stuff up. The other being your apparent desire to keep redirecting discussion to Lily.

 

And I don't buy your scummy soft defense of Ithi.

 

And then Ithi turns around and says she got killed by a third party in her first game....I think I have whiplash from that 360.

 

Incidentally, that would be a 180. A 360 would be her going full circle to arrive at the same stance.

 

I'm def starting to lean more and more to a Tiinker vote, but I'm not quite ready to let up the pressure on Ithi. The fact that she has gone from ultra aggressive to meek and defensive still worries me.

 

Pushing hard on Ithi, when Ithi is pushing hard on Lily.

 

 

Sorry. When I get home I don't have much time to play, especially when I have a million and one other things to look after here and Boggle to play. I would love to see my meek posts though ... any quotes for me?

 

Lily and Despo are so working together. Lily is still prodding votes my way. Despo is finding an alternative to switch to just in case. Rand's formulaic 'scummy scummy scummy' is still weak. What else do you want me to say? None of them will shift their votes unless it looks like they won't get a lynch through. It is all very entertaining to watch though. I have been reading the emails as they pop up on my phone.

You know what Ithi? Two people reaching the same conclusions doesn't make them working together. It might make them right, even.

 

But still... Lily turned out to be mafia.

 

 

I'm def starting to lean more and more to a Tiinker vote, but I'm not quite ready to let up the pressure on Ithi. The fact that she has gone from ultra aggressive to meek and defensive still worries me.

 

My thoughts exactly. Now, get out of my head! It's dangerous in there. You don't have your protective clothing on. OMG! You don't have any clothing on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, you can stay......

 

:ohmy:

 

:baalzamon:

 

Sorry. When I get home I don't have much time to play, especially when I have a million and one other things to look after here and Boggle to play. I would love to see my meek posts though ... any quotes for me?

 

Lily and Despo are so working together. Lily is still prodding votes my way. Despo is finding an alternative to switch to just in case. Rand's formulaic 'scummy scummy scummy' is still weak. What else do you want me to say? None of them will shift their votes unless it looks like they won't get a lynch through. It is all very entertaining to watch though. I have been reading the emails as they pop up on my phone.

 

This post doesn't really do anything to convince me to move my vote. You're playing the sympathy angle now and using desperation tactics to redirect attention onto others. I have shown my suspicions of Tiinker from the start, and I feel like Darthe has gone underground since I fos'd him. I'm not building up a case on someone at the last second.

 

Right about what exactly?

 

If you are both Mafia, you are being ridiculous I will grant you, because you really shouldn't tie yourself together so tightly and so obviously. Maybe you genuinely think you are being clever here.

 

I do fail to see what amazing insights you have on me though, apart from I play the game hard and don't sit back and simper.

 

:rolleyes:

 

And you know Lily and I are experienced players, and would never connect ourselves so closely if we were teammates.

 

As to that last line, that's the exact problem. Since you have gotten a lot of votes on you that's pretty much EXACTLY what you're doing, sitting back and simpering. And your posts have lost the confident scumhunting tone they had at the beginning of the game and are starting to sound more and more viperish.

 

Bolded: pings major WIFOM to me. Still pushing hard on Ithi. At this point, he and Lily was the biggest Ithi-pushers.

 

 

I have town reads on Ithi and Lily btw.

 

 

Starting to think from how the competing trains coalesced so "naturally" that Ithi could be mafia. Not sure though. Rand and Ithi are both good lynches imo.

 

I have scum read on Wombat and Lily.

 

I noticed that weird switch on Ithi as well. Plus, while his case on Rand wasn't bad, Rand is kind of an easy player to case tbh, since he gets defensive easily and is constantly speaking in wifom.

 

We know Rand is town, and Rand was the train that got pushed hard when Lily's train started rolling.

 

 

 

Tbh, don't take this the wrong way Ithi, but I found your case on Lily a little weak. It was mainly centered around the way she had come at you, and of course you would try to paint those kind of posts as scummy so as to make yourself look cleaner. You did make a couple of good points, such as the fact that she did seem to use the word scum a lot (which Wombat pointed out about Rand earlier), but a couple of other points were way off base. Your "pot vs. kettle" argument for instance, was really just wrong. Lily had given reasons for voting you, despite the fact that they might not have met your standards.

 

And Rand's last couple of posts stink to high heaven. He spends two WoT's casing Ithi, and there HAVE been some odd things about Ithi's behavior this game, only to then vote Lily (oh and btw he voted her in each of his WoT posts). Seems that he's making it seem like Lily or Ithi HAS to be scum, so that if Lily flips town he can then switch to Ithi easily tomorrow.

 

Unvote, Vote Rand

 

Oh and yes, I was in the Earthbound game, and yes, Ithi took out scum left and right, but that was all with her ABILITIES. I don't remember her leading tons of scum lynches in that game. Not trying to downplay her effectiveness that game, just saying that I wouldn't agree that she was nearly as aggressive scumhunting as she has been this game. Another game I saw her being fairly aggressive, but it wasn't right off the bat like this game, and she was a LD anyways, so it benefited her to pressure as many people and get statements from them to LD.

 

Oh and Turin why are you so sure of Ithi's alignment? You're attempting to use all kinds of meta to clear her, yet you don't really spend much time on the stuff that happened THIS game. I agree that she wasn't flailing all over the place like Lily said, but there have been other odd things of note about her play.

 

Ithi's train is failing, Lily's buidling, let's jump on another townie-train? Still trying hard to put Ithi in a negative light though.

 

 

 

I forgot to mention, the other thing I still don't like about Ithi's play was the fact that her play has altered several times this game. Ultra-aggressive out of the gate, clammy and viperish when catching heat, then she started tunneling on Lily pretty hardcore, and lastly she now seems to be happy letting Turin fight her battles for her. I'm not 100% on her scumminess right now, but the fact that Turin is competely dismissing the odd things about Ithi this game makes me think he came in as a replacement for her teammate.

 

Aaaand more Ithi-pushing.

 

Well then. Looks like we kinda got the best of both worlds, we got the GF and got an alignment flip on Rand. Makes me feel a lot more at ease concerning Ithi.

 

 

This post to me screams "crap, we lost a player, I must now seem as town as scummily possible!" (sorry for bad joke, couldn't resist :P )

 

 

I agree with this:

 

 

Also Despo's play, cozying up to Ithi looks like maybe scum siding with a loud townie who is a good scum hunter to make himself look more town.

 

 

It was Despo's voting that first gave me a bad feeling when I was looking over the votes, and after re-reading, he pings highest on my BS-meter right now.

 

 

Vote Despo

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JenLenaMom

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Wow I'm not dead yet? The speed that train was building I was sure I would come back from getting my kids and cooking supper to find I was dead. Thanks to those of you not rushing to judgement based on EP's typical erratic behavior.

 

Since it seems it's going to matter, I've been disliking Despo since my initial read thru. And Mish's casing confirms my feelings of him. Despo

Alanna Spam Master

Alanna

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I'm torn between Despo and JLM. I was leaning more towards Despo in general, though I think we could get some good info off a JLM lynch. Think I'll wait for now and see what Despo has to say.

Nolder Spam Master

Nolder

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Vote JLM

 

I agree that EP's reaction doesn't feel like a townie reaction

It feels almost outside the spirit of the game to push a lynch on JLM for EP leaving but at the same time EP getting so huffy and leaving also feels outside the spirit of the game

If mafia always quit when they lost a GF at least half of mafia games would never finish

 

Regardless there's too much WIFOM surrounding JLM/EP and IMO it has to be removed before we continue

Tiinker Veteran

Tiinker

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Not going any other way is it?

 

Unvote, Vote JLM

 

I still think Despo or NS have better chances of being scum but if you want to get rid of that inkling which is going to be surrounding JLM till the end of the game then I can roll with that. If JLM is mafia then that's incredibly poor..

 

Next vote is the hammer btw.

RandA lThor Spam Master

RandA lThor

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I'm torn between Despo and JLM. I was leaning more towards Despo in general, though I think we could get some good info off a JLM lynch. Think I'll wait for now and see what Despo has to say.

 

Me as well, but I am also leaning towards Despo, especially with the comment(s) about him being smart enough to not link with Lily, seemed a little bit too emphasized. vote Despo

 

Not going any other way is it?

 

Unvote, Vote JLM

 

I still think Despo or NS have better chances of being scum but if you want to get rid of that inkling which is going to be surrounding JLM till the end of the game then I can roll with that. If JLM is mafia then that's incredibly poor..

 

Next vote is the hammer btw.

 

we still have like 2 days till deadline, so don't know why you wouldn't vote people who you think are more likely to be scum. I would vote for who I thought was most likely scum, we can get distractions out of the way later.

Ithillian Turambar Spam Master

Ithillian Turambar

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Really? That's very interesting. JLM has conveniently tagged along with a casing done by another and gone yeeeeeesssssshhhhh - I agree with that, vote him, but she was never going to vote for herself.

 

Despo has been way off the base with regards to me and Lily and Rand v1, but EP's flounce was that of a dejectd and called out Mafia Player. He is most happily still posting in another game at the moment. Rand wanting to drag uncertainty out for another two days is very interesting indeed.

 

Also - sorry for lack of posting last night, I basically passed out asleep about 7.30pm and have only just woked up again.

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