The Ultimate Mafia Showdown - Town Wins

[michellem]

DM hasn't been giving me notifications so I forgot about this whole game <.< I've just read up 10 pages and I gotta read them all over again, because my head is swimming right now, I was focusing on catching up and getting a sort of overview.. But gut feel is that both Ithi and Len are town going at each other at least. I really don't have much impression about anyone else yet.

 

 

And to clarify this:

Mish - explains doubler and in same post says she doesn't understand, not sure if scum tell

 

I didn't explain the double voter; I copy-pasted it from the OP, I still don't understand how it works.

[Leyrann]

I'll try to explain what I understood from it.

 

If there is a train the redoubler is on, this train has the normal vote count, plus 1 per two votes from the normal vote count.

 

How it changes:

 

1 vote - 1 vote

2 votes - 3 votes

3 votes - 4 votes

4 votes - 6 votes

5 votes - 7 votes

6 votes - 9 votes

7 votes - 10 votes

8 votes - 12 votes

 

etc.

[Leyrann]

Also TGlems how did your make your post upside down?

[michellem]

Thank you Ley, it makes sense now :)

[Tyler Glembo]

fliptext.org  Type in what you want then copy and paste.  Enjoy!

[Red2111]

up to page 25 now - 

 

 

OK, all back to date, had a rather terrible time with work and stuffs and not going to get better for a little while but we march on.

 

as I see it the only real train right now is WOT's, others have votes splattered around but I don't feel confident in any cases anyone has put out yet, but having said that the Basel one completely eluded me, I don't remember seeing anything of the sort and I just went back to check and I'm still not picking up anything from read with more than like two quotes

 

back to that WOT case, while I understand why the votes are there, I'm prepared to call it a failed attempt for now, I think she tried to pull something Ithi like and then got stuck halfway through tbh

 

a. your defense of Time is noted

 

b. scummy is as scummy does.  failed attempt or not, fact still remains she pulled off the vote when a little pressure was applied instead of defending herself.  if her aim was to get a reaction, why would she be so gun shy when the pressure started up?

 

 

Lenlo - 

 

hmm  i can kinda see turins point.

I dont. This is going to sound horrible, but when I am scum I generally lurk and only poke or prod people. I rarely lead trains or try and make cases on people.

 

Also Piano, what do you want my input on? I havent seen much to sway me from where I am right now.

 

 

nice way to WIFOM your own playstyle.  so not scummy at all :eyeroll:

 

 

 

 

i saw your answer dap i was basically just agreeing with you on that point.

 

the red and basel show seems weird to me. arguing over the size of a Wot? I am going to watch that closely.

i've explained this, you're being obtuse.  its not about the WoT its about Basel blowing the size of my post out of porportion. 

 

 

 

 

I think you missed my point. I was critical of Rand´s comments. Sounds like you are echoing Ithi without reading my post. Here is what I wrote (again, quoting doesn´t work):

 

 

Are you really discussing how long a WoT have to be before it´s considered a real WoT?  

 

What Time did is absolutely vote worthy. How do you put pressure on someone while it isn´t a serious vote and you jump of the train as soon as someone thinks you look suspicious?

 

Rand - you are confusing me.You think Ithi looks town but says that she plays the same if she is mafia. So why does she look town now? And then you say that her D1 cases are better when she is scum? 

 

I like new, active Player. He is fun. He has done some scummy things but I think he has responded well under pressure so far. 

 

 

It wasn't quite pressure... it was the fact that my vote had semi served its purpose but backfired on me... so I figured there was no reason to keep it there...

 

so now you're goign with the defense that others have already provided for you on thread eh.  classic.

 

 

Your red part that you quoted. I agree with him. Scum hunting doesn't mean town. The best mafia players "hunt scum" when they are mafia. And they do it well and logically

 

^ ditto

 

 

I just got done catching. up. Ithi is starting to ping me by being spammy with all the multiple gifs and such. I'm still getting the same scum vibe from Time.

you're not side stepping this Basel.  why did you purposefully exaggerate the size of my post?

 

 

 

although I have to admit that my best game so far was the WWII... I mean, I got both godfathers in a lie!!!

 

*shakes fist at WoT*

 

 

really BG.  all thats happened and this is all you have to say?

[bgrishinko]

More or less. Its been a crazy week at work. So I'm trying to stay out of the thick of things and observe for a bit.

[Leyrann]

^Which can be used as an excuse for a scummy move. I could post once every three days and say "yeah, I got exam week", and it'd be true, yet I'd still be far less active than I could be without it costing me anything.

[dicetosser1]

 

Dap is town, how can he possibly be a mafia team-mate?

 

 

i didnt say he was 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It wasn't me lol. I thought he was Mafia and wanted him Lynched.

i assume this is a joke, but its still slightly suspicious

This from the person who just wanted Player's role as vanilla clarified, rather than being even slightly surprised he got killed. Did you not get the result you expected?

 

not really clarified i just wanted to know whether darthe might have been wrong or not, and how am i supposed to show my surprise?? (anyway i assumed it was day vig)  

 

and why would you assume a day vig and no mafia? Though I suppose it is possible with how packed full of stuff this game is

 

why would mafia shoot their teammate who's active ? 

 

I think you just got caught out in a lie laughing boy.

 

 

 

JUSt woKe up. carRy on wiTh game. Will deAl with R&Uing StufffS whEn gets To worK.

I dont believe this.

 

 

 

 

Always usE phonE. JuSt hAlF asleep. Sometimes puSh butToNs too long maKE caPs. BlackbeRy

 

This spell: JUSKRTWARUSSETK AEEJSAFSSTNKEPBR

 

I think Ithi is trying to send a secret message

 

Okay, but, catching up on this game and sifting through useless chatter and spam, my basic thoughts are (I'm leaving people out who I don't have basic thoughts on):

 

Lenlo - skimming, ignores the fact that Cloud was replaced and still mentions Cloud, null tell

Mish - explains doubler and in same post says she doesn't understand, not sure if scum tell

Tina - mostly concise and seems scumhunting, leaning town

Ley - a few interesting reads, I think the Basel/Red thing is town on town and Ley is jumping in as mafia to take advantage, scum lean

Maw - seems to be playing same as I've seen before, town lean

Basel - I don't buy that random.org is a scum tell, he and Red are going after each other a bit too hard for it to be a mafia/town thing because normally mafia will back down a bit or cajole or something, whereas this seems town v. town to me, town lean

Dap - had a scum lean on him for buddying, but now he is dead, I think he was vanilla town who was gifted powers by a power gifting role. 

RTE - will someday have to get past distrust of Len.  Len had made a couple slips in WWII game and if he is scum will likely do so again, null

Turin - no reason for vote on Lenlo, normally explains things a bit more from what I've seen, slight scum lean

Ithi - active, casing, looks like scum hunting, but that is her play style, slightly town with a chance of scumminess

Lolguy - a few posts have seemed a bit off to me, slight scum lean

WoT - lots of heat right out the gate, too much WIFOM for rest of game, scum lean

Roo - was agreeing with Dap, though the people/town change of words was interesting, null

Hallia - new, no reads yet.  Also, piece of advice, you don't have to quote a huge post just to write one sentence.  Instead hit the quote button, delete most of the post that isn't relevant, then write your thoughts.  Cleaner and easier this way :-)

Red - town on town with Basel, town lean

Song - very concise, null read

Rand - has solid town reads, not as many reads for scum, leaning town

Dice - couple questions of other players, not much self-generated content, leaning scum

 

So, two other things.  Basel/Red I think is town on town because, as stated above, they both seem a bit too strident in their opinions.  IMO this comes from both being town.  When town it is easier to go hard after something and not back down, especially when vanilla.  When mafia that can be very dangerous to do because it attracts attention.

 

Also, as for Dap.  I think Dap started the game as vanilla town and was gifted a role.  That explains that he was vanilla and he had a limited use power.  I also think he was day-vig'd because a mafia team that can kill during Day and Night is overpowered.

Blue  you THINK dap was vanilla?  it was right there in his coroners report.

 

Green  Is there anything I have actually SAID that you think is scummy or is just that I havent been active enough for your liking?

 

Red  a couple of guesses have been made at his meaning and even lenlo commented on it

 

 

Darthe VC please

[Basel Gill]

 

 

I just got done catching. up. Ithi is starting to ping me by being spammy with all the multiple gifs and such. I'm still getting the same scum vibe from Time.

you're not side stepping this Basel.  why did you purposefully exaggerate the size of my post?

 

 

Red, I just went back and looked at your post. It contains eight quotes from previous posts, not counting quotes within quotes. (Yes, I counted.) So how exactly do you consider what I said to be an exaggeration? If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, and takes up two entire screenfuls of text (and then some) like a duck, then it must be a duck.

 

And I just love how you somehow manage to work in that I exaggerated this purposefully, along with the bit about how I'm supposedly side-stepping. Misrepresentation of other people's posts is scummy. Should I add you to my scum list, or would you rather do it yourself?

[Netbattler11]

 

Also, my current view of the game: Len is attacking Ithi, Dap was saying Ithi is town, Ithi thought they were both scum and is kind of just being flippant towards everything. I miss anything of import?

 

umm Dap's dead. I thinks that's been the whole of the important matters for now, isolated back and forths and spam filling up the space in between

Thus the past tense.

 

 

Also Dice the confusion over Daps position arises from the fact that Darthe decided to describe him as a vanilla town with a two-shot power.

[Ithillian Turambar]

you're not side stepping this Basel. why did you purposefully exaggerate the size of my post?

 

A man, exaggerating the size of something? Inconceivable!

 

Len still hasn't found the quotes of me doing what he said I did. I think he can't shout about Player and me being buddies anymore now that I've been proven wrong and Player was proven Town.

 

Re Player's role. He was the old lady from the Matrix ... she was the oracle was she not? Is it not just a bit convenient that she got 'gifted' a couple of Oracle Shots, plus it is still Day 1 - where would these gifts have come from. I think that was just a little bit too much explaining. Is more likely that the Vanilla - Xshot means that on the days the shots don't get used it is just Vanilla. Maybe that is just Darthe's way.

 

anyways ... until Len comes back with those alleged quotes and because Player is dead Vote Len

[bgrishinko]

^Which can be used as an excuse for a scummy move. I could post once every three days and say "yeah, I got exam week", and it'd be true, yet I'd still be far less active than I could be without it costing me anything.

 

That's a fair accusation. 

[Darthe]

Official Vote Count 8:

 

Lenlo (2/12):  Turin, Ithi

 

WoT (6/12): Basel, Song, Rand, Tina, RTE, Maw

 

Ithi (2/12): Tiink, Len

 

Basel (1/12): Red

 

Dice (1/12): TG

 

 

Not Voting (11/23):

 

 Mish, Smiley, Kaylee, Niel, WoT, Ruh, Hally, Dice, Ley, Chuckles, BG

[hotpocket2006]

If it was a vig kill who Killed dap, shame shame. Why waste it when you aren't sure *shakes head*

 

 

BTW just to let everyone know, I am going to visit my boyfriends family tomorrow and Sunday so I will be scarce. I don't think they would like it if I was on my phone the whole time. I'll try and check in periodically, but I may not be able to until Sunday evening.

[hotpocket2006]

 

never heard of him... I understand RTE wanting to get Len for duping him... I know I definitely would, but in the end, it's not really sound logic at the moment...

 

vote RTE

 

 

>okay you've never heard of Mr Bean o.0. also, that vote pings dude. like super pings. RTE explained its his joke vote, which are rarley logical

 

 

 

never heard of him... I understand RTE wanting to get Len for duping him... I know I definitely would, but in the end, it's not really sound logic at the moment...

 

vote RTE

 

The pot calling the kettle black...

 

 

I dont mind either red

 

 

 

 

never heard of him... I understand RTE wanting to get Len for duping him... I know I definitely would, but in the end, it's not really sound logic at the moment...

 

vote RTE

 

The pot calling the kettle black...

nothing's really sound logic as of right now, I wanted to see what you said to that...

 

 

awesome, i started off callign you player, doubt i'll be chaningg that. old habits die hard

 

what says you about time there latching onto your stuff about RTE's vote though?

 

 

edit - so Time gets called out on it and backs off caliming he was fishing. *nods*

 

what i think is that you thought you saw a decent reason to vote a person by shadowing anothers arguement to avoid steam for it.

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE: TIME

 

 

RTEs thing was scummy but not worth much in the way of voting yet. I dont know time well enough but i feeel like my case was an easy way to get a vote in for him

 

 

I'm a she.... and I was experimenting... I've seen others do that and occasionally actually get a bite from mafia, so I thought I'd try... but I can see where you think I did something seemingly scummy...

 

unvote

 

 

What was the point you were trying to make here? I don't see it. These are all the posts in between your vote and unvote, and I see nothing but a little pressure from people and you getting scared. You don't want to seem too scummy so you unvote. You said it right there in the last quote. If you were trying a new tactic to get reactions, leaving your vote there would've been the better route. I still think this was a scumtastic move, and your explanations as to why you did it have been thin at best.

 

 

I would like my post to be replied to. I don't like being ignored. It makes me even more sure that you are scum.

[Hallia]

 

you're not side stepping this Basel. why did you purposefully exaggerate the size of my post?

A man, exaggerating the size of something? Inconceivable!

 

Len still hasn't found the quotes of me doing what he said I did. I think he can't shout about Player and me being buddies anymore now that I've been proven wrong and Player was proven Town.

 

Re Player's role. He was the old lady from the Matrix ... she was the oracle was she not? Is it not just a bit convenient that she got 'gifted' a couple of Oracle Shots, plus it is still Day 1 - where would these gifts have come from. I think that was just a little bit too much explaining. Is more likely that the Vanilla - Xshot means that on the days the shots don't get used it is just Vanilla. Maybe that is just Darthe's way.

 

anyways ... until Len comes back with those alleged quotes and because Player is dead Vote Len

 

*nodnod* I think Player being killed threw a wrench in his accusations.  Kinda suspicious to me.

 

Vote Len

[Lenlo]

 

 

you're not side stepping this Basel. why did you purposefully exaggerate the size of my post?

A man, exaggerating the size of something? Inconceivable!

 

Len still hasn't found the quotes of me doing what he said I did. I think he can't shout about Player and me being buddies anymore now that I've been proven wrong and Player was proven Town.

 

Re Player's role. He was the old lady from the Matrix ... she was the oracle was she not? Is it not just a bit convenient that she got 'gifted' a couple of Oracle Shots, plus it is still Day 1 - where would these gifts have come from. I think that was just a little bit too much explaining. Is more likely that the Vanilla - Xshot means that on the days the shots don't get used it is just Vanilla. Maybe that is just Darthe's way.

 

anyways ... until Len comes back with those alleged quotes and because Player is dead Vote Len

 

*nodnod* I think Player being killed threw a wrench in his accusations.  Kinda suspicious to me.

 

Vote Len

My accusations? Player was a very very very small part of my accusations. I was getting suspicious of him for the way he buddied up to her. Not the other way around. There were some interactions between the two that I felt looked bad on her, but with him coming up town those dont mean anything anymore.

[wheeloftime13]

 

 

 

never heard of him... I understand RTE wanting to get Len for duping him... I know I definitely would, but in the end, it's not really sound logic at the moment...

 

vote RTE

>okay you've never heard of Mr Bean o.0. also, that vote pings dude. like super pings. RTE explained its his joke vote, which are rarley logical

 

 

never heard of him... I understand RTE wanting to get Len for duping him... I know I definitely would, but in the end, it's not really sound logic at the moment...

 

vote RTE

The pot calling the kettle black...

I dont mind either red

 

 

 

 

never heard of him... I understand RTE wanting to get Len for duping him... I know I definitely would, but in the end, it's not really sound logic at the moment...

 

vote RTE

The pot calling the kettle black...

nothing's really sound logic as of right now, I wanted to see what you said to that...

awesome, i started off callign you player, doubt i'll be chaningg that. old habits die hard

 

what says you about time there latching onto your stuff about RTE's vote though?

 

 

edit - so Time gets called out on it and backs off caliming he was fishing. *nods*

 

what i think is that you thought you saw a decent reason to vote a person by shadowing anothers arguement to avoid steam for it.

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE: TIME

RTEs thing was scummy but not worth much in the way of voting yet. I dont know time well enough but i feeel like my case was an easy way to get a vote in for him

I'm a she.... and I was experimenting... I've seen others do that and occasionally actually get a bite from mafia, so I thought I'd try... but I can see where you think I did something seemingly scummy...

 

unvote

 

What was the point you were trying to make here? I don't see it. These are all the posts in between your vote and unvote, and I see nothing but a little pressure from people and you getting scared. You don't want to seem too scummy so you unvote. You said it right there in the last quote. If you were trying a new tactic to get reactions, leaving your vote there would've been the better route. I still think this was a scumtastic move, and your explanations as to why you did it have been thin at best.

I would like my post to be replied to. I don't like being ignored. It makes me even more sure that you are scum.

as I've already said, I'd thought it had semi served its purpose, so I saw no reason to keep it there... I wanted to try something new , and that obviously didn't turn out quite as I expected it to...

[Hallia]

 

 

I would like my post to be replied to. I don't like being ignored. It makes me even more sure that you are scum.

as I've already said, I'd thought it had semi served its purpose, so I saw no reason to keep it there... I wanted to try something new , and that obviously didn't turn out quite as I expected it to...

 

I don't think you're scummy Wheel.  I think you just made a comment, not expecting it to get blown up like it has.

[Smiley73]

A little notice that I will most probably be away from the game between Sunday morning and Tuesday afternoon, I'll try to get online, but I don't know how connection might be

[Kaylee]

Sorry I haven't checked in yet. It's been a busy day and I have a sick child. I will catch up tomorrow and post then.

[Leyrann]

 

 

 

you're not side stepping this Basel. why did you purposefully exaggerate the size of my post?

A man, exaggerating the size of something? Inconceivable!

 

Len still hasn't found the quotes of me doing what he said I did. I think he can't shout about Player and me being buddies anymore now that I've been proven wrong and Player was proven Town.

 

Re Player's role. He was the old lady from the Matrix ... she was the oracle was she not? Is it not just a bit convenient that she got 'gifted' a couple of Oracle Shots, plus it is still Day 1 - where would these gifts have come from. I think that was just a little bit too much explaining. Is more likely that the Vanilla - Xshot means that on the days the shots don't get used it is just Vanilla. Maybe that is just Darthe's way.

 

anyways ... until Len comes back with those alleged quotes and because Player is dead Vote Len

 

*nodnod* I think Player being killed threw a wrench in his accusations.  Kinda suspicious to me.

 

Vote Len

My accusations? Player was a very very very small part of my accusations. I was getting suspicious of him for the way he buddied up to her. Not the other way around. There were some interactions between the two that I felt looked bad on her, but with him coming up town those dont mean anything anymore.

 

Can you (re-)post your full case on Ithi then?

[Leyrann]

Whoever killed Dap, he killed the game with it, lol...

[lolguy26]

its the weekend ley games always slow down during the weekend