Merlin Mafia [Advanced!]- Town Wins!!!

[Thorum]

If only I could explain myself as well as Wombat can...

[Tigraine]

 

And yes, perhaps I should have said RVS joke votes, redundant as that is, but I assumed it would be understood.

RVS is a useless concept and allows scum to hide while delaying actual gameplay. As far as I'm concerned, if I never heard the phrases "RVS" or "joke vote" again, it wouldn't be soon enough.

Agreed! It's getting ridiculous

[Hallia]

Because when you say "If X flips town, we should look at Y tomorrow because of reasons", then you're taking the responsibility away from yourself; you've linked those two players, making player Y responsible for X's flip. Now if you're mafia and both X and Y is town, wich you'd know, then your hands are clean and you have nudged town in the direction you want. That is scummy. Capiche?

 

Not for you specifically Kaylee, just in general.  The idea of setting them up is sketchy to me.

[Kaylee]

 

 

But ha gave a lazy and non-logical reason. It's fine to vote someone because they haven't voted; but then why kaylee out of the non-voters? If he did a flip of the coin; that would have been fine. But he tries to act like he has a reason for voting her, when that reason could have fitted any number of people at the time.

 

The reason he picked her instead of you or Krak is because she had the most votes and it's easier to lynch someone with more votes. For instance, I find you and Kaylee both to be extremely scummy, but i am going to vote Kaylee because she is more likely to be lynched. I actually find Razen scummier than either of you, but keeping my vote there is fruitless as it appears no one is willing to join me. Voting isn't just about who you think is mafia. It's also about what effect your vote is likely to have and what you learn from the lynch.

 

unvote

Vote: Kaylee

What is it about me you find scummy? The fact that I haven't voted or the way I talk? (You had said something about the way I choose my words I believe). I ask because I'm generally curious. There's no deadline as of yet so I'm in no rush to vote as I've stated before.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Good afternoon.  Thinking of you.

 

[Tyler Glembo]

I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm taking them from others.

 

Kaylee implied that RVS was ending or over by the time Alanna had voted and it seems that many people agree with her.

 

It seems a lot of people here are used to declaring things scummy without thinking about the motivations and logic behind them.

 

Less than a year ago, Alanna's and Thorum's votes would have been totally normal within DM meta as ways of getting the game moving. But now they are scummy for no other reason than that people are not used to it.

 

In that case you are confusing me with Kaylee.  And though I have my charms, I'm pretty sure I'm not quite at her level

 

Seriously though, I can't answer for Kaylee about her thoughts on the subject, and you asking me to looks like a weak trap.  I gave my thoughts on why I thought alanna looked scummy and it has nothing to do with RVS or joke voting. 

[WWWwombat]

 

 

 

But ha gave a lazy and non-logical reason. It's fine to vote someone because they haven't voted; but then why kaylee out of the non-voters? If he did a flip of the coin; that would have been fine. But he tries to act like he has a reason for voting her, when that reason could have fitted any number of people at the time.

The reason he picked her instead of you or Krak is because she had the most votes and it's easier to lynch someone with more votes. For instance, I find you and Kaylee both to be extremely scummy, but i am going to vote Kaylee because she is more likely to be lynched. I actually find Razen scummier than either of you, but keeping my vote there is fruitless as it appears no one is willing to join me. Voting isn't just about who you think is mafia. It's also about what effect your vote is likely to have and what you learn from the lynch.

 

unvote

Vote: Kaylee

What is it about me you find scummy? The fact that I haven't voted or the way I talk? (You had said something about the way I choose my words I believe). I ask because I'm generally curious. There's no deadline as of yet so I'm in no rush to vote as I've stated before.

Yes, you seem to be very curious about why people think other people are scummy. Maybe you should be more curious about finding scum yourself. Scum don't often crack under the Socratic method. And there should always be a rush to vote as if you're not voting, you're wasting a significant portion of your scumhunting power.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm taking them from others.

 

Kaylee implied that RVS was ending or over by the time Alanna had voted and it seems that many people agree with her.

 

It seems a lot of people here are used to declaring things scummy without thinking about the motivations and logic behind them.

 

Less than a year ago, Alanna's and Thorum's votes would have been totally normal within DM meta as ways of getting the game moving. But now they are scummy for no other reason than that people are not used to it.

In that case you are confusing me with Kaylee. And though I have my charms, I'm pretty sure I'm not quite at her level

 

Seriously though, I can't answer for Kaylee about her thoughts on the subject, and you asking me to looks like a weak trap. I gave my thoughts on why I thought alanna looked scummy and it has nothing to do with RVS or joke voting.

I'm not trying to trap you. I have no beef with you and no read on you. I'm trying to demonstrate why I think certain paradigms in the DM meta are undesirable.

[wheeloftime13]

Official Vote Count

 

Tiinker (5/11): Player, Bob, alannalynn, Vambram, Basel

Alannalynn (1/11): TG

Mish (1/11): Hallia

Razen (1/11): Darthe

Kaylee (3/11): Despo, Thorum, Womby

Player (1/11): Tiinker

Basel (1/11): Razen

Thorum (1/11): Mish

 

 

 

Not voting (7:20): Chuckles, Krakalakachkn, Tigraine, peace, Rhea, and Kaylee.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Nothing is more valuable to the uninformed than information.  One way to get information on Day 1 is a lynch.  To delay the inevitable only leads to distraction.  

 

Or, we can just wait until an hour before deadline when we can all make wiser decisions.

[WWWwombat]

Nothing is more valuable to the uninformed than information. One way to get information on Day 1 is a lynch. To delay the inevitable only leads to distraction.

 

Or, we can just wait until an hour before deadline when we can all make wiser decisions.

Now I understand why DPR named you Sensei.

[lolguy26]

wombat your confusing me, do you mind if people vote around without justifying it or not?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

Nothing is more valuable to the uninformed than information. One way to get information on Day 1 is a lynch. To delay the inevitable only leads to distraction.

 

Or, we can just wait until an hour before deadline when we can all make wiser decisions.

Now I understand why DPR named you Sensei.

 

 

Wish we had rep here.  You earned some.

 

Here.

 

Best I could do.

 

[Kaylee]

I will be gone for a few hours.

[michellem]

 

Because when you say "If X flips town, we should look at Y tomorrow because of reasons", then you're taking the responsibility away from yourself; you've linked those two players, making player Y responsible for X's flip. Now if you're mafia and both X and Y is town, wich you'd know, then your hands are clean and you have nudged town in the direction you want. That is scummy. Capiche?

 

Yes, but you don't know player Y's alignment yet so you can't conclude that it is scummy.  If player Y flips mafia, do you still call the link scummy?

 

 

No, then I call it luck.

[Rhea]

Home from work. Brain dead. Ready for a beer.

 

Womby...I've missed you! 

 

Interesting debate. But I am in no hurry to vote as we have no deadline. 

[WWWwombat]

 

 

Because when you say "If X flips town, we should look at Y tomorrow because of reasons", then you're taking the responsibility away from yourself; you've linked those two players, making player Y responsible for X's flip. Now if you're mafia and both X and Y is town, wich you'd know, then your hands are clean and you have nudged town in the direction you want. That is scummy. Capiche?

 

Yes, but you don't know player Y's alignment yet so you can't conclude that it is scummy.  If player Y flips mafia, do you still call the link scummy?

 

 

No, then I call it luck.

 

 

Most of the time it isn't.

[WWWwombat]

wombat your confusing me, do you mind if people vote around without justifying it or not?

 

I don't mind unexplained votes in principle.  That being said, they should be used sparingly.

[WWWwombat]

Most townie votes should be justified. I'm merely objecting to the belief that a vote with no explanation should be seen as scummier than a vote with an obviously contrived explanation.

 

Unexplained votes do have their uses, however.

 

 

As I said here.

[Razen]

 

I'm not putting words in your mouth. I'm taking them from others.

 

Kaylee implied that RVS was ending or over by the time Alanna had voted and it seems that many people agree with her.

 

It seems a lot of people here are used to declaring things scummy without thinking about the motivations and logic behind them.

 

Less than a year ago, Alanna's and Thorum's votes would have been totally normal within DM meta as ways of getting the game moving. But now they are scummy for no other reason than that people are not used to it.

 

In that case you are confusing me with Kaylee.  And though I have my charms, I'm pretty sure I'm not quite at her level

 

Seriously though, I can't answer for Kaylee about her thoughts on the subject, and you asking me to looks like a weak trap.  I gave my thoughts on why I thought alanna looked scummy and it has nothing to do with RVS or joke voting. 

 

 

I find it interesting that you talk about a trap.  It's never a bad thing to share thoughts, with the caveat that you present them as your own and are clear that you aren't answering for the other person.  You presenting it as a trap is a clever way to get around sharing what you think.

[Krakalakachkn]

Yeah...Basel.

[Basel Gill]

Yeah...Basel.

 

Speaking of unexplained votes.

[Rhea]

 

Yeah...Basel.

 

Speaking of unexplained votes.

 

 

I don't think that even counts, not bolded. 

[Darthe]

Unvote Vote Mish

[alannalynn]

I am so exhausted. I havent worked that long since i broke my hand. :( Catching up if i dont fall asleep arrg