The Big (Currently) Unoticed Thing In Books 4-6 (Mistborn Spoilers)

[clu7ch]

nah in TSR one of them in rand's vision dropped himself off a cliff. Although that may have been a Jenn-Specific thing there.

[Vulgir]

nah in TSR one of them in rand's vision dropped himself off a cliff. Although that may have been a Jenn-Specific thing there.

 

LoC,Ch25 - Aiel men who learn the can channel voluntarily go to the Blight.

 

Essentially on a suicide mission.

[Lambada]

nah in TSR one of them in rand's vision dropped himself off a cliff. Although that may have been a Jenn-Specific thing there.

 

LoC,Ch25 - Aiel men who learn the can channel voluntarily go to the Blight.

 

Essentially on a suicide mission.

Atleast that's what happened until Rand set up his tower. Now who knows whether there are any Aiel Asha'men?

[Knobs Mahoney]

What about Slayer disappearing into the Tower of Ghenjei in Tel'Aran'Rhiod? I haven't seen much discussion on this, and it has some crazy implications. Birgitte tells Perrin that the 'Finns aren't evil, but are so different from humankind as to make little difference (paraphrasing, sorry at work without my books!). What if the 'Finns have some sort of strange arrangement with the Dark One? Or with some of the Forsaken? Maybe their neutrality is the arrangement, and anyone who knows the way would be able to go in and ask for wishes/answers? If so, who knows what might happen if Mat goes back into their world?

 

I know that many speculate upon whether Lanfear had ventured there before and somehow augmented her beauty or power with some sort of gift from the 'Finns. Perhaps that is where she received the angreal/sa'angreal she was toying with while she was attacking Rand and the girls in tFoH?

[Little Miss]

What about Slayer disappearing into the Tower of Ghenjei in Tel'Aran'Rhiod? I haven't seen much discussion on this, and it has some crazy implications. Birgitte tells Perrin that the 'Finns aren't evil, but are so different from humankind as to make little difference (paraphrasing, sorry at work without my books!). What if the 'Finns have some sort of strange arrangement with the Dark One? Or with some of the Forsaken? Maybe their neutrality is the arrangement, and anyone who knows the way would be able to go in and ask for wishes/answers? If so, who knows what might happen if Mat goes back into their world?

 

I know that many speculate upon whether Lanfear had ventured there before and somehow augmented her beauty or power with some sort of gift from the 'Finns. Perhaps that is where she received the angreal/sa'angreal she was toying with while she was attacking Rand and the girls in tFoH?

 

Are you sure it was in books 4-6 that Slayer and the ToG got brought up? I thought it was before that... I could easily be mistaken though.. but I do know for a fact that the angreal/sa'angreal that Lanfear was using was left in the wagon with the doorway by Moiraine herself. She says so in her dialogue in which she kills Lanfear.

[Sharaman]

TSR and then, WH are the only two books where Slayer really appears explicitly onscreen. His deeds and the Dark Prophesy are mentioned earlier, of course and fleeting glimpses in TAR of a chap who looks Rand's uncle and Lan etc, occur.

The Lanfear ang'real theories aren;t about the acrobat bracelet she whacked on the Carhein Docks, They're speculations that Lan went to the Foxes earlier in the AoL and asked from beauty, channelling power blah-blah. Also related speculation that the belt of stars, moon, etc., that she wears is an ang'real. For me, the more interesting Lanfear vibe is the "White Palace" she gates to.

About the big unnoticed thing, my best bet (as I posted earlier) is Aiel DFs.

 

 

[shinerfan]

Its in tSR that Slayer seems to disappear into the ToG although it wasn't certain that that was what happened. Perrin had returned to defend the Two Rivers when he encountered Slayer in the wolf dream and wounds him.

The big question along these lines seems to be the details of Gitara's foretelling that sent Tigraine to the Maidens and Luc to the blight. Was this a single foretelling? I seem to remember something about Luc being a darkfriend previous to this but I can't remember where so maybe I'm mistaken or thinking of Isam. Were they both darkfriends?

[Ashamandragoran]

2 questions

 

1) why did Gitara tell Luc him riding north is so important? obviously Tigraine going to the Aiel was required for Rand to be born, but what purpose does Slayer serve? is he going to be the one killing Fain (unlikely IMO) or is there another reason?

 

2) Is there any chance Rand's father is not actually dead but a channeling DF? Maybe one working with Moridin? I know what the Aiel claim they saw, but we all know how the Shadow can spread lies

 

 

[Vulgir]

About 971 NE, Gitara Moroso convinces Lord Luc that the outcome of Tarmon Gai'don depends upon him going to the Blight. He disappears from Caemlyn. (LoC,Ch16)

 

and as the Rand's father, there is nothing to support that, but if it was what the Aiel saw, how could the shadow spread lies. The Aiel saw it, the said what they saw, unless the Aiel who saw it was a DF, but theres nothing to support this.

 

Last we hear Rands father is dead, nothing else has been mentioned, and theres nothing to support this.

[Dolphineus]

2) Is there any chance Rand's father is not actually dead but a channeling DF?

 

None.

 

There is no evidence in the books that he is a channeler. 

There is no evidence in the books that he is a Darkfriend. 

There is no evidence in the books that he is alive. 

[emyali]

What about Slayer disappearing into the Tower of Ghenjei in Tel'Aran'Rhiod? I haven't seen much discussion on this, and it has some crazy implications. Birgitte tells Perrin that the 'Finns aren't evil, but are so different from humankind as to make little difference (paraphrasing, sorry at work without my books!). What if the 'Finns have some sort of strange arrangement with the Dark One? Or with some of the Forsaken? Maybe their neutrality is the arrangement, and anyone who knows the way would be able to go in and ask for wishes/answers? If so, who knows what might happen if Mat goes back into their world?

 

I know that many speculate upon whether Lanfear had ventured there before and somehow augmented her beauty or power with some sort of gift from the 'Finns. Perhaps that is where she received the angreal/sa'angreal she was toying with while she was attacking Rand and the girls in tFoH?

 

this point irritated me alot in TSR

Slayer went in and out the tower of Ghenjei in Tel'Aran'Rhiod, while Birgitte told Perrin “ Once entered, the Tower of Ghenjei is hard enough to leave in the world of men. Here it is all but impossible." then we find Slayer out!!

how she says its impossible to get out of it in Tel'Aran'Rhiod, then we find slayer out? i dont think Birgitte uses big words as Impossible (with all her memories of all her past lives) if she wasnt completely sure of that.

 

 

about Lanfear, i didnt believe she died at all .. but i've always thought being in another body got nothing to with the DO, as much as being the price of three wishes to be granted by the Eelfinn

[ed2funy]

Luc/Slayer can enter T'A'R at will.

Birgitte says it is all but impossible, but if you are in T'A'R and then you jump out into the actual Tower of Ghenjei...then leave somehow, or jump back in T'A'R, it would most likely be very easy for him to leave.

 

No real thoughts on Lanfear. She was channeling, and the doorway melted. I don't think Moiraine was and maybe that is why she died.

[Impressive Bosom]

About 971 NE, Gitara Moroso convinces Lord Luc that the outcome of Tarmon Gai'don depends upon him going to the Blight. He disappears from Caemlyn. (LoC,Ch16)

 

Right... but how/why does the outcome depend on him riding north. We know he became Slayer, but in the greater scheme of things, why was it so necessary for Slayer to be created and what greater role will he have in determining the outcome of the Final Battle?

[ed2funy]

I think this is a RAFO kind of thing.

[cannon]

I really think the big unnoticed thing is...

 

Mat's Ashandarei

 

Ever since he got it, no one has really questioned why he got it.  Or they have, and its just been dismissed.  He didn't ask for the ashandarei and it certainly wasn't payment as part of anything else.  Sure it had the "agreement" written on it, but they could have put that on anything.

 

Why did the Finn give him that weapon and what does it mean?  Aside from basically pinning an Odin sticker on Mat's character, it really hasn't factored into our discussions much.

[b9anders]

What about Slayer disappearing into the Tower of Ghenjei in Tel'Aran'Rhiod? I haven't seen much discussion on this, and it has some crazy implications. Birgitte tells Perrin that the 'Finns aren't evil, but are so different from humankind as to make little difference (paraphrasing, sorry at work without my books!). What if the 'Finns have some sort of strange arrangement with the Dark One? Or with some of the Forsaken? Maybe their neutrality is the arrangement, and anyone who knows the way would be able to go in and ask for wishes/answers? If so, who knows what might happen if Mat goes back into their world?

 

I know that many speculate upon whether Lanfear had ventured there before and somehow augmented her beauty or power with some sort of gift from the 'Finns. Perhaps that is where she received the angreal/sa'angreal she was toying with while she was attacking Rand and the girls in tFoH?

 

this point irritated me alot in TSR

Slayer went in and out the tower of Ghenjei in Tel'Aran'Rhiod, while Birgitte told Perrin “ Once entered, the Tower of Ghenjei is hard enough to leave in the world of men. Here it is all but impossible." then we find Slayer out!!

how she says its impossible to get out of it in Tel'Aran'Rhiod, then we find slayer out? i dont think Birgitte uses big words as Impossible (with all her memories of all her past lives) if she wasnt completely sure of that.

 

 

about Lanfear, i didnt believe she died at all .. but i've always thought being in another body got nothing to with the DO, as much as being the price of three wishes to be granted by the Eelfinn

 

Perhaps his deal with the finns included free passage through finnland. Or is implied by some more sinister deal he made with them. Either way, it is very probable slayer has made an agreement with the finn and gotten his 3 requests.

[SI]

does rand's missing angreal ever show up?

[dapianoplay3r]

no, but it's pretty specific when that goes missing

[NetSlider]

I've been away for couple days so I've missed couple pages of post. Also I'm way too lazy to look up the list of things that are excluded. This being said here's what popped in my head. How much have people actually discussed "the broken crown" in regards to Feil and Bashere and Perrin? The whole thing is being mentioned here and there but we never really know what it's all about. We finally know that Feil is royalty in book 4 and if I'm not mistaken Beshere meet with Perrin in book 6 and while their conversation Beshere says something among the lines "I guess Zarin(sp) told you about the broken crown." What is weird is that Perrin never really asks what it's all about. And if I'm wrong about Bashere mentioning "the broken crown" to Perrin in book 6 I'm 100% sure that someone (some AS I think) tells something about "broken crown" to Perrin (might of been Verin in book 4 right before the battle at the end).

 

Just a thought (among many many others) :)

 

Any thought on this and does anyone have some info on "the broken crown"?

[Crael123]

i never realized the implications on Slayer being created.... maybe he was created to kill Fain and if Fain dies the wound on Rand s side will go away because it has nothing feeding it.... or however it stayed. and if the wounds on rands side goes away he will be able to actually do things again.

 

But Slayer is evil. or at least we think he is. there is way to much guess work on his Character for us to be absolutly sure of anything at this point. 

 

we need to find out more about him. we havnt seen him in forever. the last time i remember is in tSR. am i right? looong time no see....

 

and i thought that maybe some how Taim stole rands fat man angreal. just a thoery i dont have anything to back it up.

 

all this just a thought. i could very well b wrong on all of it

[NetSlider]

I think that Luc is not really evil but more of on his own side just trying to survive or waiting for his time to do/take part in something that will define his purpose. As far as Slayer goes, I think he is the "evil" one. Hands down Lan should face him as some point and finish what his father begun. :)

 

When it come to Slayer made to kill Fain completely impossible. Slayer was around way before Fain became what he became. Slayer seems to have "agent Smith like" purpose of "cleaning the DO's house" when one of the DF gets out of hand but it seems that Slayer is sent to take out very important targets; BA and nobility/royalty/powerful (keep in mind Golam was in stasus box) and before chosen were freed DO plans had to be carried out by gray men and fades which can be problematic if target is very hard to reach or if target needs to die in "sleep" without any connection to the shadow.

[TheAngryDruid]

All this mention of Luc (which is all fair and good) and Slayer. But lets remember that Slayer appears to be Isam Mandragoran. Not some force of evil.

 

The Luc/Isam/Slayer dynamic is a question that should be revealed in ToM.

 

We know from their backgrounds that Luc appears to be good (he rides north after being told it is the key to winning the last battle). About Isam, he is captured as an infant, presumably by the Shadow, who knows where he loyalties lie? Or if he has been totally consumed by the Shadow?

 

Isam meeting his cousin could have an effect on him, as could Luc meeting his family (Rand). 

[yoniy0]

Actually, we don't really know what Gitara told Luc or why he chose to go north. All we have is rumors.

[dholm]

Luc certainly seems evil. He wants to kill his nephew in Winter's Heart.

[GB]

Hey everyone

 

dnt know if this has been mentioned again

 

so sorry if it has been

 

one of min's viewings in LOC says Perrin has to be there for Rand 2 times or something bad will happen.

 

What if After he dies in last battle, he goes to the dream world where perrin saves him just like he had to save Faile.