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clu7ch

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  1. It's all there, and I just don't see how people CANT allow demandred to be a skilled swordsman - he has every right to be, and every opportunity was given to him to learn and improve.
  2. I do believe it's mentioned somewhere that he was exhausted periodically from using the sa'angreal. Also, Demandred has been free for at least as long as Rand has, and therefore pretending he has no knowledge of fighting prior to being freed from the bore (which is hogswash, he was already second only to LTT) So in that time, Rand became almost as good a swordsman as Lan, in such a short time, it's entirely possible that Demandred got caught up on his swordsmanship enough to be better than Galad and Gawyn, and Lan even.
  3. Meh, galad should have died with gawyn. hated them both.
  4. There will never be a scene in ANY (yes, I'll say that) other work of fiction as personally powerful as Mo's story about Manetheren in Eye of the World. I can read that, get goosebumps (or goose pimples, bird zits, whatever) and immediately reread it, and have the same thing happen. "The men of the mountain home stood, their backs to the terendrelle" like. yeah.
  5. Then, i find this little gem: Which, by omittance, we can gather that Aes Sedai in the AoL knew of Callandor's design flaw - thus they guarded it so heavily so it would be there for the Dragon Reborn. The CK, while amazing and powerful, is about as useful as Vora's wand at solving the ultimate problem. Which means that if the Aes Sedai knew about callandor's potential, it had to have been made post-strike at sg for Lews Therin to be expected to not know anything about it. As he clearly doesn't know anything about it..........blah. Then, boys and girls, I think i've put a nail in this thread for now: There at the end, in italics, It seems that this is being intentionally kept in the dark, at the very least until the encyclopedia is released, if i were to guess. It's gotta have some juicy stuff otherwise it's just repeated information, right?
  6. I just have a problem with that. We learn from aMoL - specifically the seed given to elayne, how angreal - and presumably, sa'angreal are made. This piece of knowledge is absolutely useless for the book. It serves no purpose. She doesn't use it, it's only there so we know how they're made. Thus, i believe that it's true power function is not a design flaw. It simply can't be. One can't accidentally touch the true power, outside of the very specific situation with Rand's link to moridin. the true power is explicitly controlled and thus can't be a 'ghost in the machine'
  7. I think the closest thing would be Rand's sort of 'knowledge block' where he would randomly use LTT's knowledge of weaves prior to veins of gold.
  8. Beings Brandon Sanderson is the published author who finished the series, regardless of accidental discrepancies - his words are canon.
  9. In my opinion there's a constant lacking of awesome wot fan-art. There are some good ones, and I in no way mean to belittle the artists who do post fan art, (as I myself am lacking in the artistic department) there just aren't enough amazing pieces in my opinion. I think this is probably because we have such personal ideas of how scenes in this book in particular go down, that we don't accept fan art for what it is. Like, the other day I was looking for one where Egwene heals the pattern with the flame, and kills all those sharans. I know what it looked like in my head, so in the end, I was glad nobody attempted it and thus left me disappointed.
  10. also how you make a 'dragon's reborn soul only' ward is beyond me lol.
  11. Correct Barid. We see that, and somewhere we learn that wards of saidin and saidar are used to protect it in the stone of tear, which i believe was also constructed solely for the protection of the sword for the time when prophecy would require it be drawn. The High Lords of Tear are foremost charged with it's protection. As to why it wasn't placed in the eye- to make a neat little dragon reborn starter kit, I've no clue. I'd love to get some team jordan feedback on this. Even if it is a simple 'we don't know - you guys and your theories. lol'
  12. but the thing is, unless your finding yourself in the exact situation rand found himself in - bonding himself with moridin - you really can't accidentally touch the true power. It's at the DO's whims. Moreover, we don't know the specifics of Rand's situation. We don't know if it happens to everyone who 'crosses the streams' because it doesn't happen elsewhere, we don't know if it has to do with the two souls of rand/ishy, or if Rand could actually use the TP a second time. He thinks he can, but we don't know with certainty. I'm thinking now that this was simply a little bit of a plot oversight.
  13. there almost has to be - the mention of the Seed rand gives to elayne has absolutely no purpose in the book aside from casting questions concerning already existing angreal and sa'angreal - in my opinion - specifically Callandor. It's a nice sentiment that should he die, a bit of knowledge from the Age of Legends lived on, but it has no purpose in the book, it's essentially him saying 'bought you a toy, don't use it - love rand' Also, if the sword was used and whatnot in the War of Power - and the flaws were discovered, and it was in fact used among the side of the light - for such information to be passed on, wouldn't you assume that the Light's greatest general would know about such flaws and weaknesses? Rand post VoG seems to have no knowledge of the sword's history - as he still rely's on Min for researching it. I think the more we dig into this the more questions and inconsistencies arise. turning into a giant CF in my head lol.
  14. I'm not knocking or doubting what you've said - I admittedly didn't browse all the Q/A reports before crafting this theory - but it seems a really unceremonious beginning to the sword that becomes a pivotal device of prophecy. And regardless of everything, true power magnification is not and can not be a design flaw. It was intentional, and thus was created by someone who had access to it. With the sharan involvement in aMoL (which we were told in Q/A wouldn't happen) I have to surmise that some answers we've gotten from signings and so on are not accurate.
  15. But it might be a drill. Hello folks, I’m trying to present this case in as factual a way as possible. Stick with me, and hopefully we can put a lid on it. (It’s worth noting that it might not merit a lid, however – it might just be a mystery) First off, lets get the basics out of the way. Callandor was created shortly before the breaking of the world. It was made with a flaw – allowing female channelers to take control of the man using it. This flaw was exploited by Rand, Nyn, and Mo to seal the dark one via Moridin’s TP access. Furthermore, it doesn't have a safety buffer – thus allowing overdrawing of the one power. I strongly believe that it (Callandor) was created by Mierin Eronaile and Beidomon and probably more associates at the Sharom/Collam Daan. Why, you might ask? It’s an incredibly powerful Sa’angreal, which could have been the instrument used to drill the bore into the Dark One’s prison. Let’s try and piece this puzzle together. Why the flaw? I would assume that the flaw was a safety precaution implemented for the safety of AoL citizens. Such a powerful object could be used to devastating ends, however, with the flaw, anyone who might gank the sword and go on a spree could be ‘caught’ and halted by female channelers. As to why it magnifies Saidin, Mierin was as strong as a woman could be in the AoL, but was not a match for the power wielded by men, and thusly, Saidin. Therefore, it would make sense that the researchers at the Sharom would use the stronger of the powers, if they were to drill through the pattern to tap this then unknown power source (they believed to simply be a separate pool of the already well known One Power). As for the lack of a safety buffer, while in a circle – the power is evenly distributed among the members, so overdrawing wouldn’t have been a concern – or may have been intentional to acquire the necessary amount of power to drill the bore. We see from Charn’s PoV in tSR that the Sharom cracked in half, engulfed in black fire. This most likely indicates a massive amount of the True Power. This may leave you asking why the taint wasn't applied at this point. We know that with all three powers, the taint is impossible, because they work together like a trinity. Before the bore was drilled, they knew an astonishing amount about the True Power. It could be used by either gender, and was in fact not Saidin or Saidar, so it’s likely that a much smaller hole was made prior to the actual drilling that caused the Sharom to explode, otherwise, how would they know these specifics about the power source? Which leaves yet another question: if a precursory hole was made, why didn’t the taint apply itself to whichever power was used? You need to remind yourself that these ‘scientists’ were just that – highly intelligent, stupid, scientists. The basis for any experiment is control. They most likely conducted these experiments from a sizable well in the Sharom. Such a well could have been made with Callandor – as we see from another glass columns POV – the sword that is not a sword, and the dragon banner as they discuss creating the Eye. From that we can surmise that Callandor was used with the selfless Aes Sedai that gave their lives to create the massive well of pure Saidin. As to why a bunch of Collam Daan researchers didn’t up and die – it’s likely that the loss of life caused in the creation of the Eye was to purify the pool. A massive well would also make sense as to why the Sharom exploded in a swath of black fire. So for this, we’ll pretend that Beidomon drilled the first, tiny, baby hole. He marvels at this nifty new power, and feels a slight nastiness from the taint in his well. Of course, he immediately lets go, maybe there’s a little fire – whatever. The thing is, he felt this nifty cool power. So he has Mierin do the same thing, and probably has the same result. The Dark One feels this prodding though, and thinks to himself in a maniacal tone: WTF IS A TAXI DOING OUT HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE and when M/B link up in a circle, the DO is all like IMMA PLAY A TRICK ON THEM, NO TAINT – LUL and they realize that this is awesome, a new power source that either gender can use. So what do we do next? We replicate the experiment on a larger scale. The Dark One – according to the whole way the wheel of time works, has been freed before, countless times, and is waiting for this, so when they come back with Callandor and hell, maybe a full circle, the DO shoots the taint up the stream of power, and instead of hitting the One Power, it hits the well, and thusly, the Sharom explodes. Lanfear and Beidomon somehow escape, and beings he’s the dude, he was presumably holding Callandor, and thus it left with him – that being how Lanfear doesn’t end up with it, and also thoroughly explaining how she has such intimate knowledge of it while Rand and co are racing towards it in TDR. Beidomon is so ashamed of what he did that he kills himself, Mierin is so obsessed with power and proving herself to her beloved, that she fixates on this new power and allies herself with the darkness. So Callandor probably sits in a room and collects dust, people being afraid to touch the thing that essentially starts the War of Power. This would explain why Min’s research turns up the blade being called: The fearful blade, and the blade of ruin. So while Biedomon is shamefaced to a suicidal level, saner minds prevail, and they figure, it made the bore, it can fix the bore – lets put floaty’s on it and wait for Rand to save us. Finally, you may be thinking: It says it was made shortly before the breaking. In the AoL, Aes Sedai lived in excess of 700 years, and the bore was drilled like 200 years prior to the onslaught of the war, so retrospectively, and proportionally, it was a short time – also, records from the time are skewed, and intermittent. So kids, there we have it – why the Sword that is Not a Sword may in fact actually be a drill – and that explains this rather large plot hole. Or not? Let’s have some discussion :D
  16. A very important thing to keep in mind about the rings. They were ter'angreal that allowed non-channelers to use a weave called Nightshade or something, don't have my book in front of me, but Demandred mocked him for it, saying that Lews Therin sent him to die, which means two things: He could see the weaves, or could tell it was being used, and that he didn't know the seanchan had such ter'angreal, because he assumed only Lews Therin would know such a weave. Either way, Demandred's ability to predict his movements - however he did it - makes perfect sense as to why he overpowered his opponent. The rings created a false sense of superiority, and the fact that Gawyn is just an annoying honor bound twit. IMO, had it coming.
  17. You need to relax and stop shooting down people for having a differing opinion. I enjoyed the books and am grateful that the series was finished at all.
  18. I apologize if I sounded negative towards him, I'm just stating that his style of writing isn't similar at all with Robert Jordan's, and thus, the wheel of time. I love Asoiaf for what it is, it's way more of a political series, and doesn't incorporate as much nitty gritty as WoT does, in my opinion. I feel that GRRM's style would have clashed with RJ's established style more than Brandon's. I do however disagree with your points on the last battle. I think it was handled perfectly. By that I mean imperfect, as it should be. It's not supposed to be clear cut, easy, or clean. It's supposed to be hard fought, confusing, it's supposed to make you doubt. The DO's forces aimed to destroy the best military minds in the forces of the light. I think it was beautiful. Of course, that is entirely opinion based. SO no harm in disagreeing with me on that.
  19. I'm getting a little aggravated in the people hating nyn, moiraine, and so on for their lack of PoV scenes in Amol, or the fact that they didn't do bad assed things. Lets lay it down. Nyn and moiraine saved the world, and are owed as much gratitude as Rand, and Min for discovering the flaw. It's as simple as that. No other character, not Mat, Perrin, Olver, Egwene, or anyone, did something as monumental as what the three of them did at SG. If you want to be pissed about something, why SH got no more than a 'oops, yeah, that was him' moment is a better choice. Ok, maybe what Egwene did was close to it in importance. We don't need PoV to know the importance of an event, ya'll just want to complain about something. Why wasn't there any good PoV though? I look at it this way: The Wheel of Time as a whole is very in depth and character oriented, it's in their faces, showing us their hopes, dreams, feelings, and so on. It's extremely descriptive in a certain way. Amol was descriptive in a different way. In an effort to show the strife of war, the camera lens is zoomed out, so to speak. It's more about tactics, and an over-all effect. The last battle is something to monumental to bring down to a personal level - without screwing some characters out of face time, and thus pissing fans off. Zoomed out is how i felt it was portrayed, and I think it's appropriate. It would have been worse if GRRM had done it. A lot worse. Instead of a few off camera deaths, we'd have all of them off screen. I honestly feel like I'm the only one who doesn't differentiate between RJ's and BS's work on this series. It's the wheel of time.
  20. I don't get how so many people are confused about the all caps voice. It's only seen a few times in the series. It's the dark one. It gets confusing - because rand also 'talks' like that while outside the pattern, but - it's just the dark one. RJ's quotes collaborate and reinforce that.
  21. mat and perrin don't balance mordeth/slayer. they both killed them, thus balance goes out the window. It's the jedi prophecy all over again! Anakin did in fact bring balance to the force, by lobbing the number of jedi to an equal point of the number of sith. Of course, the jedi assumed bringing balance would just mean he'd kill the sith. Balance is balance, one can't exist without the other.
  22. Not entirely true friend. Rand in fact attempted to blow up a battlefront, and help out Rand, but they had channelers going straight for him whenever they saw him. Also, with demandred in a full circle, it's doubtful Rand would attack - thats why only the non-channelers had any luck with kicking his butt. Logain had a serious issue.
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