Wizarding World War 1 - Mafia Game - Day 2

Xthrax · August 11, 2014

Guys, Red has informed me that IRL stuff has come up. So I'll be your mod from today. Please bear with me.

I have classes and I got to leave in 1 more hr. So I'll try ending night before but it will be tough. Otherwise, I'll end it when I get back in 5 hrs. Sorry

Xthrax · August 11, 2014

Scene incoming...

Xthrax · August 11, 2014

It was not safe anymore. Even for the magical community. Now, nobody would be seen outside alone. Witches and wizards used to walk in groups.

And that was useful. Because, when one night an attack came, they stood strong together. After pushing back the attackers, they quickly managed to disapparate.

No one has been killed. I'll give you guys a deadline soon

Nynaeve · August 11, 2014

I jailed Key :-)

Nynaeve · August 11, 2014

And it's bed time. Night

Hallia · August 11, 2014

Night Nyn!

I got a present!

鲍勃不是我的名字 · August 11, 2014

I jailed Key :-)

Commuted with AH...she hawt and a sexy sidekick to boot.

鲍勃不是我的名字 · August 11, 2014

Night Nyn!

I got a present!

Hawt!

keyholder21 · August 11, 2014

I jailed Key :-)

Explains why I got no result then.

Why?

Myndrunner · August 11, 2014

Hally, did you like it? I forgot to send a card with it though.

Oh yeah, and [v] Nyn [/v] She's totally scum!

Hallia · August 11, 2014

:laugh:

I do! Many thanks. So I know your initial thought was Nyn being town, hence you gifting her, what changed your mind, and when?

Myndrunner · August 11, 2014

She is a lying liar who lied!

I wanted to see her reaction in how she used it. She didn't use her jail one-shot like she claimed on NotBoob. Yes, Boob did not jail NotBoob.

Hallia · August 11, 2014

=o

Myndrunner · August 11, 2014

Oh and Hally, all eyes are on you now and how you use your gift.

I think Nyn and NotBoob are Boob Buddies and scum. Trying to figure out who is with them.

I would like to hear from Rhea some more.

I am also suspicious of those players who replaced Dar and Mish. I think they couldn't handle the heat.

Hallia · August 11, 2014

I'd like to hear more from well....anyone except you me and Nyn. C'mon guys! Let's get this game a rollin'. It's our one game a year here in the WT, lets make it Epic!

Hallia · August 11, 2014

I'll use it wisely :happy:

Nynaeve · August 11, 2014

I jailed Key :-)
Explains why I got no result then.

Why?

@Key I thought there was a pretty high chance of you being targeted because you've been sending out townie vibes all over the place.

[v]Rand[/v] for the same reasons stated on d2. On my phone right now so I'll expand later.

Nynaeve · August 11, 2014

She is a lying liar who lied!

I wanted to see her reaction in how she used it. She didn't use her jail one-shot like she claimed on NotBoob. Yes, Boob did not jail NotBoob.

You just came out of lynching Dawn for one really bad assumption. And you bounce back from it by making yet another bad assumption. You've basically decided that you don't like what I did with the gift you gave me, even though it's quite probable that I got in scum's way. Which makes your entire premise ridiculous.

I really don't like how fixated you got and how you're not updating your reads based on new information. But I officially don't care. I trust that scum are rather exasperated at this point. Two nights with no kill does that. Which means that they're left with the option of trying to get rid of threats during the day. They won't get far, though. But I am very much looking forward to see who comes at me.

dicetosser1 · August 11, 2014

She is a lying liar who lied!

I wanted to see her reaction in how she used it. She didn't use her jail one-shot like she claimed on NotBoob. Yes, Boob did not jail NotBoob.

how do you know this?

Nynaeve · August 11, 2014

Rand 2.0 ISO

Okay so. Rand2.0 comes back to sub in for Mish.

His first step is to analyze the Rand1.0 train. Says his train looks scummy and also that him not being asked to claim is scunny. I point out that the rules say that claiming is not allowed till day 3, we ask Red, she ends up editing out the rule since it wasn't updated properly.

Rand hazards a guess that there was at least one scum on his train. He refers to every vote on him. He quotes Mish's vote feeling the need to point out that now he knows that the slot is town. He moves on to Tsuki saying he has no idea what he was saying but that he appears more like confused town and that Rand is moving on because he has bigger fish to fry. He quotes NB putting a vote on him for no reason and says he must have reasons, he just never shares them. He mentions that this looks REALLY good for NB and that if he were to actually say why he was voting Rand that's would make him suspicious (???). Then he busts Mynd's balls for placing a vote on him with no explanation (lol). Which is basically what NB did. But apparently when Mynd does it it's not okay. Points out that he doesn't like dice's vote, even though between Mynd, NB and dice, at least dice added a one liner about his concerns on Rand. Rand says he doesn't like dice using strong words like 'flailing.' Then he quotes my case and says that when he played with me in another game where I was scum I didn't go full casing mode so this speaks well for me. His top scum reads sum up to Mynd and dice. I specifically pointed out that I did not like the free pass he gave NB. A vote with zero reasoning is a vote with zero reasoning. Considering Rand1.0 flipped town, no one gets a free pass based on meta alone in my book.

Moving on.

He agreed with Key that dice and Mynd look worse than me in regards to Rand1.0 train.

Rand soft defends me when Mynd casts a vote on me (in the middle of the night :P). Asks for Mynd's reasoning. Mynd says that it's because I overexplained and Rand agrees he has a point. Interesting that both of them are discussing a vote that is happening in a phase with no voting lol But w/e. Pulling dumb moves in night phases seem to be Mynd's new pass time. Then NB points out that it's night and Rand lols and says omg that's true! hahaha. Personally, I'm not really buying that Rand or Mynd didn't realize it was night time. I could see scum pretending not to know to score some points and make people wonder. Seen stuff like this done before and I'm unimpressed by it. Null tell overall because there's no telling if it was real or fake.

Points out that Tsuki's post about being wrong on Rand 1.0 seems fake and says that he doesn't like it. At the same post he says another post of Tsuki looks good because he was confused why 6 people hammered the game vs the 7 that were needed for majority. Obviously Tsuki didn't bother reading the game rules. Not really alignment indicative either way. Rand claims this looks good for Tsuki because if he were scum this is something he'd ask in the QT and not ask on thread. Again, I disagree. All these tactics of pretending not to know what phase it is, pretending not to know the rules, casing someone moments before they get shot at night..... they're all viable tactics that scum can employ to guide our thoughts in a specific directions so I take them with a grain of salt. Scum's objective is to fabricate confusion and cluelessness because they need to hide the fact that they're in the know. So the whole 'what would scum do' mantra is moot and I disregard it completely... especially when someone tries to use to to clear someone.

Posts some fluff joke posts.

Places a vote on Mynd, saying he's not acting like his usual self. He keeps defending NB based on nothing but meta. Defends against my point that he doesn't necessarily always reads NB well, by pointing out the Tron game (he dumps the blame on Darthe). NB places a vote on Rand 2.0 and this time Rand demands a reason, even though made a point earlier of saying that NB not giving reasons is perfectly normal and that him doing anything explicit would be suspicious.

FOSes Mynd's no lynch votes and argues with him that the jailkeeping is only a 1-shot.

He tells me that he generally can tell if NB has a good reason or no reason to do something and this time it feels like he has no reason for his vote on him, hence him asking NB to explain. I wish the rest of us were blessed with such an eternal understanding of NB's play as Rand is displaying in this game. He's taken it upon himself to say several times that he reads NB well. He argues that he always does. He gives him a free pass based on no actual reason and then takes it away when he's not a fan of where he placed his vote. All his reason sums up to is that he knows NB's soul lol As romantic as that is, it also happens to be complete bull crap.

He asks NB to explain the vote on him again, since NB only responded to me and didn't bother answering Rand. Then NB precedes with his aunt sally reasoning of voting Rand to put his vote on a low hanging fruit because scum often use his vote as a springboard. Honestly I didn't really get it as a concept but I also don't understand why he decided that Rand was a low hanging fruit when he's been one of the more active players in the game. I wouldn't say Rand is h a lynch bait like, say Dawn was. So I don't get why he picked Rand when he could have placed a vote on an actual scum lean. He added how Rand is a good guy, reinforcing once again how he reads him well bla bla bla. Rand ends up giving him a town lean again because he knew he wouldn't vote him for no reason. Only... his reason isn't really a reason..... so this whole exchange is just thick. In any case Rand asks for clarification about NB's jailing that I provide later.

Rand questions Mynd's vote on Dawn and reasoning. He asks why would she pretend to have forgotten about the thread. This goes back to my point about tactics scum might employ to assert that someone is prolly a townie. It could mean something or it could mean nothing. It usually comes off as something to me when someone tries to use it to clear someone. That's usually when it really stands out. But using it as the sole reason to lynch someone is usually not a good idea so I rather label it as a null tell and move on unless you're really good at tone reading. But Dawn, specifically, always has an artificial tone so it's extra hard to tell in my experience.

In any case he says that Mynd's point about Dawn is null but still gives him props for being suspicious.

Assumes that I chose to jail NB because I don't know him and ergo think he's scummy. Bogus assumption and soft defending NB again. Just because I'm not familiar with someone's meta doesn't automatically mean I'll read them as scum. This over buddying and over confidence in NB is disconcerting.

Rand says he thinks that the whole NB vs. me thing is prolly town on town action. He also says he likes Mynd's reveal and has a town lean on him. Which is a 180 from how he felt about him before. A bit questionable but eh.

Then Rand goes attack mode on Key who was basically echoing my own reasoning for voting NB. Which was basically that I thought that my jailing went through and that it might mean that I got lucky and blocked scum and that's why there was no kill. So Rand thinks it's BS when Key says it and calls her scummy for it, but when I say it I'm all townie and adorable? It doesn't make sense at all.

He unvotes and votes NB so he'll have enough votes to role claim.

He keeps trying to add credibility to NB's character and role claim even though it's rather null considering 1. scum is not likely to claim a scum oriented role and 2. Allowed character claims usually = provided false claims. So Rand is basically carrying on with buddying NB. NB ends up moving his vote to Dawn for self preservation. An actual low hanging fruit vote if you ask me :P Anyways this is the part where Rand blows up in Key's face and votes her. Post for reference: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/90445-wizarding-world-war-1-mafia-game-day-2/page-30?do=findComment&comment=3307964

I find his accusations of Key pretty funny. Having extra knowledge of how a jailer would work on a scum team? when did she do that? I talked about it myself way before Key did and in my experience for the jailing to stop the scum's kill you'd have to jail the scummy that submitted the kill specifically. That's not having extra knowledge, that's experience from previous games. I voted NB thinking I possibly blocked scum and then unvoted later on and moved to Rand. Notice that most of the reasons Rand is attributing to voting Key at the time are things I've done myself. So why am I a townie lean and Key isn't? I won't even get into the accusations of Em going after the high posters LOL High posters doesn't equal town. Scum can talk a lot too so moot point. She's explained her reasoning behind her suspicions so it seems legit to me.

Later on he brought up mechanics of what happens if I jail someone that blocks me and so forth.

In a nutshell, Rand's constant blind defense of NB is grating. He keeps repeating how well he reads him, he gives him irrational passes and revokes them according to his whims. It stinks of scum setting things up to say "See, I told you so" if NB gets lynched and flips town. Which leads me to the following. Key confirming that my jailing didn't get blocked tonight, the no kill and Rand constant fawning over NB leads me to believe that NB might be telling the truth after all so he went down in my scum lean list.... and Rand is now right at the top.

His blow up on Key is funny considering a big chunk of the reasons behind his vote on her are stuff that I've done myself so it makes zero sense that he would hold her accountable for them and clear me as a likely townie. His accusation of her trying to wipe out the active players on purpose is also amusing. And I get a general feel that he knows more than he's letting on.

We've managed to screw scum over two nights in a row. I think it's time to start lynching them too.

Xthrax · August 11, 2014

Official Vote Count-Day 3

Nyn-(1/6)-Mynd

Rand 2.0-(1/6)-Nyn

Not voting-(9/11)-NotBob, Hally, Key, Pral, Rand 2.0, Tsuki, AH, Rhea, Dice

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline-http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140814T18&p0=438&msg=End+of+Day+3

Pralaya · August 11, 2014

I jailed Key :-)

Didn't you have the Jailkeeper as a 1-shot gift from Mynd?

Pralaya · August 11, 2014

Nice save btw. I am not sure if Nyn was instrumental in both. I thought she just had 1-shot JK and that would mean she lied on D1 based on what NotBob claimed.

However, looking at the last day's result, I mentioned how the Dawn train developed and didn't like it because it was so easy. I am sure there is at least one scum in that Dawn train.

Also, the late push by me and Nyn on Rand stalled. Nobody came down to vote after that. Either they were inactive townies or safe scum. I believe Rand is indeed a scum because of this.

My scumlean would be:

Rand

Hally (One scum within Mynd, NotBob, Hally )

Dice (One scum among those who did not vote Tsuki, Dawn, AH, Rhea, Dice)

[v]Rand[/v]

Official Vote Count- Day 2

Dawn-(3/7)-Mynd, NotBob, Hally

Rand 2.0-(3/7)-Key, Pral, Nyn

Key-(1/7)-Rand 2.0

Not voting-(5/12)-Tsuki, Dawn, AH, Rhea, Dice

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

That's a tie so Random.org

keyholder21 · August 11, 2014

She is a lying liar who lied!

I wanted to see her reaction in how she used it. She didn't use her jail one-shot like she claimed on NotBoob. Yes, Boob did not jail NotBoob.

Townies also lie. Is there anything else about her play that makes you think she is scum? She looks pretty hardcore town to me.

Oh and Hally, all eyes are on you now and how you use your gift.

I think Nyn and NotBoob are Boob Buddies and scum. Trying to figure out who is with them.

I would like to hear from Rhea some more.

I am also suspicious of those players who replaced Dar and Mish. I think they couldn't handle the heat.

I think Rhea asked to be replaced too? What's your explanation for two nights of no kills then? Do you think they are purposefully choosing not to kill anyone?

I jailed Key :-)
Explains why I got no result then.

Why?

@Key I thought there was a pretty high chance of you being targeted because you've been sending out townie vibes all over the place.

[v]Rand[/v] for the same reasons stated on d2. On my phone right now so I'll expand later.

Why thank you darling :).

Totally [v]Rand[/v]. His blow up on me was legit scummy.

Xthrax · August 11, 2014

Official Vote Count-Day 3

Nyn-(1/6)-Mynd

Rand 2.0-(3/6)-Nyn, Pral, Key

Not voting-(7/11)-NotBob, Hally, Rand 2.0, Tsuki, AH, Rhea, Dice

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline-http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140814T18&p0=438&msg=End+of+Day+3

Rand is at L-3

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