Pokemon Mafia III: The Treasure of Heart Island--GAME OVER--TOWN WIN

[dapianoplay3r]

Tina

Darthe claimed a flawed one shot. He claimed after someone else set up the claim

 

Why do you think people should blindly follow that?

[suchmadness]

Tina is still a cypher to me and a very good finger pointer.

I mean throwing Hisoka in the way when he is clearly still learning the game is throwing another red herring in the way, like Chuckles did.

 

She's also pushing Darthe's agenda which made me suspicious as Darthe's motives is questionable.

[lolguy26]

 

 

 

I can say no words that haven't already been said about how annoying the spam was... while being super spammy, quickly claiming not even a day after the game started, and getting me annoyed with his back an forth with dap and Ithi, I feel that people are hopping on RTEs train because of how anti town he was acting with his spam and back and forth with dap and Ithi and it would just e the easy thing to do... I'm going to weed through the spam and see if I can make a good case on anybody that people haven't noticed since they are too focused on RTE..

why are you stalling his train?

 

because it's a train and we are a less than a day into the game... plus if we focus on only one, then that makes the mafia easier to be unnoticed

 

@Ithi... you are correct that I find him acting scummy as for whether or not I think he is town, I am very unsure at the moment...

 

 

Yes she is a fence sitter on day one and she actually said what I was thinking and then commenting on all along if you had noticed

(merely commenting on the game isnt exactly playing is it? is her comment in anyway useful to town? if i were to remove her comment, would it have a major impact on the game? )

 

 

I find him scummy, but I don't wanna hop ona train this early in the game... however if he is still around by the end of today or tomorrow and nothing can be learned and he is making things worse, then I will vote him... I will not place my vote on him at this time because yes, even though there are a lot of players in this game and many are bound to go unnoticed I would rather have more time for day one to learn what I can rather than voting for someone and lunching them this early so we barely have anything to go on for day 2...

 

I find her explanation entirely logical in the face of the game and how everyone is going for easy option which is lynch RTE because most of the time they were annoyed with his spamming.

(while YOU may find it entirely logical, i dont, thats why i voted her)

 

 

 

I find him scummy, but I don't wanna hop ona train this early in the game... however if he is still around by the end of today or tomorrow and nothing can be learned and he is making things worse, then I will vote him... I will not place my vote on him at this time because yes, even though there are a lot of players in this game and many are bound to go unnoticed I would rather have more time for day one to learn what I can rather than voting for someone and lunching them this early so we barely have anything to go on for day 2...

 

i find this post disturbing, like you dont want to buss your teammate yet and the last part is totally wrong, lets say we lynched RTE D1, does that mean we have nothing to go on with D2?! NO, we see his train, we see how people reacted to the train, the patterns and as you mentioned its still early in the game, someone's bound to slip, and since competing trains are very much preferred

 

 Vote time

 

 

I could also go for Chuckles for linking Time and RTE so strongly together without a coroner report from RTE. I mean why vote for Time while he thinks that RTE is mafia?

 

 

This is noted by Cloud. So do I at this point in time :)

 

 

 

I find him scummy, but I don't wanna hop ona train this early in the game... however if he is still around by the end of today or tomorrow and nothing can be learned and he is making things worse, then I will vote him... I will not place my vote on him at this time because yes, even though there are a lot of players in this game and many are bound to go unnoticed I would rather have more time for day one to learn what I can rather than voting for someone and lunching them this early so we barely have anything to go on for day 2...

 

i find this post disturbing, like you dont want to buss your teammate yet and the last part is totally wrong, lets say we lynched RTE D1, does that mean we have nothing to go on with D2?! NO, we see his train, we see how people reacted to the train, the patterns and as you mentioned its still early in the game, someone's bound to slip, and since competing trains are very much preferred

 

 Vote time

 

 

What's so disturbing about this assertion by time?

(what, the fact that she thinks if we lynch RTE today, we wont have anything to do D2, im pretty sure if you think about it, you can see how illogical that is)

 

(and cuz your new ill even explain why its a very dumb suggestion and extremely illogical 

lets say we lynch RTE, what do we gain from his lynch, 

1) he flips mafia, we see who didnt follow up on his train, who stalled it, who went for it, and we know for sure how he flips and we stop all the wifom he spread earlier in the game

2) he flips town, we see who pushed for his lynch, and the usual, but again he's dug his own grave.

thats the short version cuz i dont have time to explain everything in detail)

[suchmadness]

Hmm..Where to start picking holes in this argument?

 

1.(merely commenting on the game isnt exactly playing is it? is her comment in anyway useful to town? if i were to remove her comment, would it have a major impact on the game? )

Most people by that stage of the game were merely commenting on the game and checking in. It wouldn't have a major impact on the game no, but it had a major impact on you.

2.I find her explanation entirely logical in the face of the game and how everyone is going for easy option which is lynch RTE because most of the time they were annoyed with his spamming. (while YOU may find it entirely logical, i dont, thats why i voted her)

 

I find him scummy, but I don't wanna hop ona train this early in the game... however if he is still around by the end of today or tomorrow and nothing can be learned and he is making things worse, then I will vote him... I will not place my vote on him at this time because yes, even though there are a lot of players in this game and many are bound to go unnoticed I would rather have more time for day one to learn what I can rather than voting for someone and lunching them this early so we barely have anything to go on for day 2...

 

She is entirely explanatory about cause and effect which is the underpinning of logic. She explained why she find RTE scummy but want to reserve judgement so early in the game, entirely her prerogative. She also voiced her worries that by lynching RTE we wouldn't be able to learn his game plan. By that point not many have checked in so her worries were founded on people not playing at all and RTE being the villain of the piece united people, so keep them interested in playing.

3.What's so disturbing about this assertion by time?

(what, the fact that she thinks if we lynch RTE today, we wont have anything to do D2, im pretty sure if you think about it, you can see how illogical that is)

 

Sorry I think you misunderstand how logic operates. See above.

 

4.

(and cuz your new ill even explain why its a very dumb suggestion and extremely illogical 

lets say we lynch RTE, what do we gain from his lynch, 

1) he flips mafia, we see who didnt follow up on his train, who stalled it, who went for it, and we know for sure how he flips and we stop all the wifom he spread earlier in the game

2) he flips town, we see who pushed for his lynch, and the usual, but again he's dug his own grave.

thats the short version cuz i dont have time to explain everything in detail)

 

By being patronising doesn't make your logic more clearly stated.

You're also deflecting attention away from yourself and focusing it on me therefore letting me waste time defending myself.

 

The question still stand and you haven't answered so suss...

[hazelkrs1]

Extremely busy night at work tonight, tried catching up towards the end but ran outta time. I have a ton of quotes saved however, should have time tonight to add more detailed thoughts.

 

For now, quick response to the biggest issues currently under debate:

 

RTE is a poor lynch today. Lynching him wouldn't hurt town at all, since his play has been awful and he claimed vanilla, but gathering info from a lynch like his would be pretty challenging. A speedlynch on him would be even worse, which is what I saw a few pushing for a bit. Day 1 is for info gathering people.

 

As for Darthe's claim, I don't like it. Personally my theory right now is that he's the GF and was trying to attract a cop viewing as early as possible. The percentage thing fits with the last game a bit, but then again Darthe could have easily researched the roles from the last couple of games, and that's easily something I could see Darthe doing. Plus, the one shot thing is too convenient imo, and the point about RTE setting up the claim is interesting, even if I'm not completely sold on it. Either way, if he truly is town, then there's a 10% chance we could end up with two straight town lynches, and not much info gained from either most likely. So for that reason for now I'm ignoring the claim.

 

As for who I think we SHOULD lynch today, my best scum reads right now are on Cloud, Chuckles, and SuchMadness. Cloud overjustified his vote on RTE, and pushed for his lynch too hard imo. He's also been lying low for a bit since Darthe's claim if I'm not mistaken. Chuckles has had some really bad cases so far, he's def been reaching a few times, and has been tunneling on Time. I will say however, that it's possible that his play just always looks scummy to me, I can't remember the last time (if ever) that I played with him and didn't think he was scummy.

 

That being said, Unvote, Vote SuchMadness

[dapianoplay3r]

Isn't such a new mafia player?

 

I've been switching back and forth on cloud. Sometimes he's mafia sometimes he's town

Can't decide on that one atm

[suchmadness]

I realised that I'm treading on dangerous ground and bumbling my way through the game.

 

I also realised that chuckles is extremely popular which made him a really good mafia. What better way to have a villain everyone likes that would pass under the radar so easily because it's inconceivable he could be a mafia?

 

Why do you think I'm mafia by the way despo? Is it prejudice?

I'm quite new so did not have the subtlety to be a mafia. I'm also still learning the game so not a very good person to have as a mafia. You need someone experienced not a bumbler who still do not understand the term of the game, therefore a good soft target for mafia killing.

[dapianoplay3r]

Who is mafia and who is town is chosen randomly

[lolguy26]

 

 

I also realised that chuckles is extremely popular which made him a really good mafia. What better way to have a villain everyone likes that would pass under the radar so easily because it's inconceivable he could be a mafia?

 

 

 

WTH are you on about?

[lolguy26]

Hmm..Where to start picking holes in this argument?

 

1.(merely commenting on the game isnt exactly playing is it? is her comment in anyway useful to town? if i were to remove her comment, would it have a major impact on the game? )

Most people by that stage of the game were merely commenting on the game and checking in. It wouldn't have a major impact on the game no, but it had a major impact on you.

2.I find her explanation entirely logical in the face of the game and how everyone is going for easy option which is lynch RTE because most of the time they were annoyed with his spamming. (while YOU may find it entirely logical, i dont, thats why i voted her)

 

I find him scummy, but I don't wanna hop ona train this early in the game... however if he is still around by the end of today or tomorrow and nothing can be learned and he is making things worse, then I will vote him... I will not place my vote on him at this time because yes, even though there are a lot of players in this game and many are bound to go unnoticed I would rather have more time for day one to learn what I can rather than voting for someone and lunching them this early so we barely have anything to go on for day 2...

 

She is entirely explanatory about cause and effect which is the underpinning of logic. She explained why she find RTE scummy but want to reserve judgement so early in the game, entirely her prerogative. She also voiced her worries that by lynching RTE we wouldn't be able to learn his game plan. By that point not many have checked in so her worries were founded on people not playing at all and RTE being the villain of the piece united people, so keep them interested in playing.

3.What's so disturbing about this assertion by time?

(what, the fact that she thinks if we lynch RTE today, we wont have anything to do D2, im pretty sure if you think about it, you can see how illogical that is)

 

Sorry I think you misunderstand how logic operates. See above.

 

4.

(and cuz your new ill even explain why its a very dumb suggestion and extremely illogical 

lets say we lynch RTE, what do we gain from his lynch, 

1) he flips mafia, we see who didnt follow up on his train, who stalled it, who went for it, and we know for sure how he flips and we stop all the wifom he spread earlier in the game

2) he flips town, we see who pushed for his lynch, and the usual, but again he's dug his own grave.

thats the short version cuz i dont have time to explain everything in detail)

 

By being patronising doesn't make your logic more clearly stated.

You're also deflecting attention away from yourself and focusing it on me therefore letting me waste time defending myself.

 

The question still stand and you haven't answered so suss...

 

maddy, one thing about mafia is, never take anything at face value, doubt pretty much everything, and which question have a not answered?

[suchmadness]

I think I've demonstrated my ability for scepticism quite well.

 

Be suspicous of everyone has been my game plan so far.

 

The question of your affiliation and your motivation for choosing time as a target. At the moment yes I do suspect you for all the reason I've stated above.

[suchmadness]

It is quite late and hopefully tomorrow I'll still be alive to see another day.

 

It has been most educational.

 

Thank you everyone for taking part in my lesson :)

[dapianoplay3r]

You are new. You get a day one pass so you will live to night and usually into day two

 

Also night from me

[dapianoplay3r]

And for me

 

See you all tomorrow

[wheeloftime13]

 

no, what i'm saying is that normally Chuckles is relatively quiet... especially on day one, so I find it slightly off, however i did also say that maybe he's trying to change how he approaches the game...  sometimes when people change up how much they post in mafia it's because they're not used to playing a certain role or if they got caught as mafia because of how they posted, then they decided to switch it up... it's good that he's being active, but a player's activity in a game tends to be constant for quite a few games...

 

you see the bold part is hinting that oh players change how they are as mafia but then she says a player's activity tends to be constant for quite a few games which im not sure why she added, (why did you add the last line time?)

 

 

 

no, what i'm saying is that normally Chuckles is relatively quiet... especially on day one, so I find it slightly off, however i did also say that maybe he's trying to change how he approaches the game...  sometimes when people change up how much they post in mafia it's because they're not used to playing a certain role or if they got caught as mafia because of how they posted, then they decided to switch it up... it's good that he's being active, but a player's activity in a game tends to be constant for quite a few games...

 

you see the bold part is hinting that oh players change how they are as mafia but then she says a player's activity tends to be constant for quite a few games which im not sure why she added, (why did you add the last line time?)

 

 

i added the last part because for quite a few games you've been in, you've not been around that much and your post count isn't a lot... especially on day 1... i said the first part because maybe you are trying to switch it up because you've been constant in your play for the past few games...

[Hallia]

One question is, do we know for certain that his 10% would cause a false reading? Or would it just tell him it failed? That'd solve a lot of this.

[hazelkrs1]

Sigh... Suchmad is completely new? Didn't know that.

 

Unvote, Vote Cloud.

[beanie]

Hm.

 

I went back and read over Darthe and RTEs interactions and it does seem a bit too convinent when combined with the one shot viewing. The persentage thing means the only way to find out for sure if hes telling the truth is to lynch him. Even lynching Ithi wouldnt necessarily clear him. Though it doesntquite make sense to me why, if theyre both mafia, they would draw so much attention to themselves so early in the game.

 

RTEs play has been terribly off. Im not convinced hes mafia though. Hes certinally not helping town and his whole lynch me for info thing was really annoying. Lynching him isnt a bad option, I dont think its the best option for today tho.

 

I think Ithi is town for now.

 

Dap on the other hand was and is still buddying up to Ithi and thats made me rather suspicious of him as I dont see the logic of doing that as town.

 

Lollys 'case' against Time is rather weak and the fact that hes so focused on it is odd.

 

Tina blindly going along with Darthe also stood out to me. First we dont know if hes town. Second even if he is his reading might nit be accurate sooo yah.

 

Done now.

 

Im not placing my vote ye but I think today it will betwwen RTE, Darthe or Ithi and Id vote for one of the first two.

[beanie]

As for who I think we SHOULD lynch today, my best scum reads right now are on Cloud, Chuckles, and SuchMadness. Cloud overjustified his vote on RTE, and pushed for his lynch too hard imo. He's also been lying low for a bit since Darthe's claim if I'm not mistaken. Chuckles has had some really bad cases so far, he's def been reaching a few times, and has been tunneling on Time. I will say however, that it's possible that his play just always looks scummy to me, I can't remember the last time (if ever) that I played with him and didn't think he was scummy.

 

That being said, Unvote, Vote SuchMadness

Why vote for the person you didnt make a case on? Or did I miss that somewhere?

[Niniel]

Tina

Darthe claimed a flawed one shot. He claimed after someone else set up the claim

 

Why do you think people should blindly follow that?

 

You do what you want. I do think it´s odd that so few are ready to vote Ithi after a claimed view. 

 

Tina is still a cypher to me and a very good finger pointer.

I mean throwing Hisoka in the way when he is clearly still learning the game is throwing another red herring in the way, like Chuckles did.

 

She's also pushing Darthe's agenda which made me suspicious as Darthe's motives is questionable.

 

Finger pointer? Throwing Hisoka in the way? You must like big words. Look at Hisoka´s comment again and say what you think about it. 

 

I realised that I'm treading on dangerous ground and bumbling my way through the game.

 

I also realised that chuckles is extremely popular which made him a really good mafia. What better way to have a villain everyone likes that would pass under the radar so easily because it's inconceivable he could be a mafia?

 

Why do you think I'm mafia by the way despo? Is it prejudice?

I'm quite new so did not have the subtlety to be a mafia. I'm also still learning the game so not a very good person to have as a mafia. You need someone experienced not a bumbler who still do not understand the term of the game, therefore a good soft target for mafia killing.

 

I think it has already been mentioned but it´s random who gets what role and alignment. 

[Niniel]

I do wish that Darthe would contribute more though. 

[Netbattler11]

I'm here, but about to be on a plane for the rest of the day.

 

[bold] VOTE LEYRANN[/bold] of course.

 

This is my first time playing mafia from mobile, so my coding will probly be terribad.

[Netbattler11]

Nyeeeeeh. What is bold coding?

[bgrishinko]

 

 

Unvote, Vote Darthe

 

I think there is a much higher chance Ithi is mafia, but I'm willing to lynch Darthe for the info as it goes a long way to understand RTE and Ithi.

 

Everyone keeps saying they think RTE and Darthe are working together, well this will clear that up and give us a definite answer to the 90% Ithi view.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Just a lowercase b