[Mafia Game Over] Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark - Mafia Wins!

[Darthe]

I really like Daps case and could get behind several of those trains.  However, it doesn't change that we would be leaving Ed alive to submit night kills.

[Leyrann]

Darthe, your case is build on thin air until proving otherwise. You did not yet do so.

[Sakaea]

Kae is a she.

 

A very lovely, beautiful, spectacular she.

 

 

 

 

Anyways, dice, softclaiming = no bueno. 

[dicetosser1]

Mish I can ABSOLUTELY guarantee that you have never seen me soft claim a power role and then say im vanilla. I dont normally soft claim at all. In fact usually you dont get anything unless im L-1.

 

As i said before i saw that and my instincts went off. I decided to follow them. I even waited a real day while i thought about it.  @Dap  the fact that it is so familiar is what makes it a great thing to use    noone will think about it twice. I HAVE seen games where we read the mafia QT later and someone had said something like "if there is a symp reading thios in your next post do this..." hence i assume it IS possible for symps to see the QT and follow instructions to identify themselves. and one thing i didnt realize is that a symp is counted as mafia numbers wise. Yes i still think she is a symp and no i am not a symp.

 

I explained why i soft claimed the way i did because i was going to be gone for 9 or more hours and didnt want to get lynched. I also thought that considering how often people in mafia games go on and on about meta that those who have played with me would know that I dont soft claim and figure out that I really do have a role and am town.

 

and no im not going to tell you my role at this point we still have 4 days til DL and im not going to do what Moon did. either believe me or dont. If you lynch me you lose a useful town role.  its that simple.

[Leyrann]

Dice, there were about 5 RL days (give or take one) left when you soft claimed. At Day 1, lynches NEVER come that early. That soft claim was totally useless.

[Arez Al'Loke]

I agree with the general sentiment that Dice "soft" claiming or w/e you want to call it is really sucpicious. BUT, I can not see anyway that the mafia would benefit from him soft claiming as he did.

 

What would be the purpose of soft claiming? Most often to get votes off you and lynch someone else, doesn't matter if you're scum or actually have a powerrole, both factions strive for the same thing. Survive the current day.

 

Did this method of soft claim achieve the purpose? NO. So would it be reasonable to assume a mafia player (who has experiance) would use a method like this..?

What other option is there? He made a irrational move. Now who does irrational moves more often, Scum or Town?

 

What I'm really curious about is Dap's OBSESSION with pointing out over and over what he thinks Talya's exclamation marks.. 
Lets say I blink everytime I lie. You tell everyone "HEY, AREZ BLINKS EVERYTIME HE LIES!!"

Then I'd say, "No, I don't" and continue with the blinking.

What you're now doing is continuing to point out that "HEY, AREZ IS STILL BLINKING, HE MUST BE LYING"

But by now, because you notified the rest of the world, I would have adapted.

 

Therefor, continuing to point out how Talya uses her exclamation marks is BEYOND pointless, if she was scum/symp, she would have adjusted her posting to compensate.

 

Otherwise, I have nothing else to contribute with. Right now I'm not useful for anything, other then pointing out illogical things or Wifom's..

[Talya]

Right so for those who forget easily, Rand was opportunistic and voted Ed to get the game going (so he says). Now I called him out cos he had called Ed out for trying to jump start the game, when that's what others had tried but Rand failed to mention. Now look what he does here

OK firstly, Ithi I hope you and everyone living with you is all OK! I'm sorry that that happened.

 

Second of all to RTE: lol, yes recently my play quality has been shrunken greatly. If I ever have time in my life again, I'll play mafia to the full extent of my ability with notes, careful full game readthroughs and WoTs. However, I currently do not have the time to devote for that.

 

Third of all, as was said in my post, it was literally just to jumpstart the game. That being said, that vote on Ed was completely weak. unvote

 

Now to look at reactions. I think the people that stood out to me the most are Lenlo, and Cloud. These are the people that I am looking at the most. So currently, FoSes on both of them.

Rand throws out a FOS at the two people who voted for him. It was lazy

But he also did exactly what he did last time, he only mentions some people yet he got mentioned negatively by me, WOT, Ishy, and Talya (to a lesser extent), but he doesn't mention us at all.

Once again Rand omits people and I dislike that a lot. This become relevant later on when he votes Talya

I wasn't defending him at all, he came back quite aggressive and some said how I could think it was a joke vote... I still think it was odd and he gave no explanation and I want one... so asking for why he voted Len.

so you didn't think it was done in a naff way!

he made a joke about Len sitting on his hat...joke!

So you accuse in one breath of defnding him and in the next saying how I could call it a joke vote...

if he posts that way I will look at is a joke and think he isn't taking things seriously and I have to question why?

Is he hiding something?

Is it just me or is most of this really hard to follow? I know you all hate me for it but look at when she talks about the jokey stuff she uses the explanation marks

Also she is getting really defensive about stuff for little reason - I was explaining something, when I didn't have much time and had to get to work - my time is very limited, i'm a little fed up with the exclamation marks, because they don't mean anything at all, you don't like them? Tough! I do them. my three dots is another thing I do!I wasn't talking jokey stuff as in me, but in Peace's vote on Len!

its night here. im in sydney dap

 

yes thats what i mean dap. i find it too coincidental and can easily see the DM issues being used to id the symp for the mafia as it is something we are all very familiar with.

It's something too familiar, the whole of DM was just down. It doesn't make sense. Do you still believe she is a symp?

Also you never answered why you thought there was a symp in this game as far as I can remember.

something i forgot to add above, i dont really think rand is scum, ive seen him play like this before

Right this. Rands meta is scummy yes, but he usually says dumb things, where in this game he seems to be leaving things out on purpose

as to benefit? well think of how a symp often works mafia says in their QT "if there is a symp and you see this post or do blah blah blah" Symp sees it and does it. The DM issue would be a good one to use as the trick is to make it something noonew would really notice and we are all so used to that complaint it could blend right in

Dice this still annoys me. It's such a small thing to pick when we have had a bunch of odd pictures and Len mentioning a boulder, and people saying strange things. Those are far more likely to be symp tells but you ignore them all. I just don't get it

I'm here.

I'm a little confused as to where all this symp talk is coming from. And also a little suspicious of Dice laying out his symp scenario. Seems a little too detailed and knowledgeable.

This pinged me. Last sentence. It seems too obvious to me. If dice was mafia he would of had his teammates screaming at him to shut up lol. I think it is far more likely he is a symp if anything

Maybe that was his tell to the mafia - he had to accuse someone of being the symp..haha

Which leads me to this. It seems like a legitimate idea yet she laughs it off. Feels a bit like a damage control - This bit, is was haha as in ironic! In other words, it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out that way

 

This is really slow.

 

UNVOTE

 

I didn't like the way Dice tried to link me and Ley and then threw the symp in there...and this game needs liven up

 

VOTE DICE

Right so in that gap. Between this post and the last post there was a vote count, so Talya is trying to move the game forward faster even though there is no rush. It also seems that she would of seen her vote was still on RTE for not much reasoning. She then jumps on Dice and is quickly followed by.... You've missed the first post so I don't know what iot says whilst doing this, sorry that I sometimes think on things before I do them, but I do have other things in between (like getting my daughter to bed :p) , I wnated to get things going, as it all seemed slow, and I wanted a bit of pressure on Dice, because I thought his symp stuff was odd. 

 

 

*laughs and cheers Ishy on*

 

Dice, I have to say that is a REALLY tenuous string you're tying between Ley and Talya.

DM/browswers eating posts happens a lot, that I've seen.

This

I copy everything before I post it cos DM keeps eating my posts so regularly

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>as to benefit? well think of how a symp often works mafia says in their QT "if there is a symp and you see this post or do blah blah blah" Symp sees it and does it. The DM issue would be a good one to use as the trick is to make it something noonew would really notice and we are all so used to that complaint it could blend r

ight in

You know that the point of a symp test (that's what you are talking about) is so its unique. Losing a post doesn't fit that. Furthermore not all symps can see QTs. In my mafia career I've been a symp about 4 or 5 times and never have I been able to see the QT

I was thinking of this too in that I don't recall symps being able to see Mafia QT. That and dice seems so sure of it.

 

This pings me. Quite a bit. That and the case itself is pretty weak... Vote Dice.

 

This post was interesting. I think he made a good logical post though so I understand the vote, be it very fast, but it was still opportune like Rands, and then gets followed quickly by Len

 

I mention that the train is moving fast then...

hmmm...seems to a bit!

Exclamation mark.. -get over it, it's getting tedious!

 

With that dice is now the top train. It's gaining traction fast...

How is it gaining traction fast? Its 2 people!

 

unvote Vote Dice

 

Now its 3 people. Woop dee doo.

 

I think Dice is the best lynch we have so far. His trying to link people and the way he has been playing can give us alot of information on D1 and possibly a scum.

So many things wrong with this. First he jumps on a fast moving train, then he undersells the amount of people on the train, then he says that he thinks Dice is town. (Possibly scum is a synonym for likely town IMO) - 

oh im here talya   i got booted off the puter by my brother last night and despite instructions not to turn of the puter he did anyway and hence i lost what i was going to quote so i will just reply and hope i remember everything.

 

Its interesting how my single vote  and it seemed i was the only one going to vote that way caused all this reaction. No i did not see a symp recently and 'get all excited' i think symp is a waste of role cause ive never seen them do anything really. My take on it is instinctual and as i tried to explain with the whole trivial pursuit example at times when i have had a immeadiate feel or answer and have NOT followed it it has turned out my instinct is right.

 

we went 20 odd pages or so and i think the most votes on anyone had been 2  then in ONE page i got 4!  I think i touched a nerve. 

 

Looking at that train is probably a good way to go

 

now as i am going to work and if yesterdays run on voting me is an indicator then i am going to tell you now that i am town and have a power role

First of all dont try to undersell a symp. They count to mafia's numbers more often than not. They are sometimes viewed as town until they are recruited, and they know who the mafia is. They are dangerous if the player knows what they are doing

I still dont understand what made you think symp though. Most people would think that they are parroting something so they are on a team with a QT. I also dont get why a symp would need to say something a mafia member has said on thread to let the mafia know who they are. They are supposed to try protect the mafia. Putting themselves out there is one thing, but to use a teammate as a means is silly. I dont think Talya is a symp, and I most certainly dont think Ley is condemned by that post at all

 

About that soft claim. Face Palm

Have you not learnt so far that what you just did is dumb, and unhelpful to anyone but Mafia?

 

Sometimes it is the small things that will catch people out! 

 

I'm trying to think about the Rand/Ed vote business. It was a weak excuse for Rand, but then this is Day 1 and it was at the beginning. But I didn't like the way he came off it saying it was weak, was he trying something or as trying to make himself look town if Ed is Mafia. It was a bit of a damp squib if that was what he was trying to do, felt a bit fumbled! 

 

Dice - just wondered where you were. If you touched a nerve, whose nerve. It was a very bad link you made, did you think that people really would leave it. And please don't soft claim, it doesn't help town nor yourself and either people will find it scummy and try to lynch, whilst others will try to lynch just you to get your role! I'm not sure whether I want to take my vote off or leave it there for another silly move!

Talya starts to defend Rand in this post. I dislike it (deal with it Darthe) - Actually I was more thinking it was a fumble as he tried to make himself look town, not that I was thinking he was town. So you got that wrong!

Even her sentences that she calls him scummy end up defending him in a way. - Nope just the way you decided to read it for your case, not how I was thinking when I wrote it!

As for the nerve that Dice talks about touching. Id say those fast voters, especially you - Explained already!. You didnt seem interested in voting him until after ithi's vote count. What difference would that make, I wanted to push Dice and didn't like the symp stuff and wanted to see what happened! As Mynd used to put is rustling the grass to see what comes out!  In that time you either looked at the VC and saw your RTE vote and needed to change it or saw something on a QT and reacted to that. It was a sudden change of heart that wasnt brought on by a reread or anything other than a VC

Also please explain the bold? That looks like a slip to me. - Why it is a slip, there will be people who will vote him to push him into a reveal! Good to see who might try this, don't you think

You also keep your vote on him though you seem to believe he has a role - I don't know he is roled for sure,. I don't know if it was him trying to pull a fast one, but it would be interesting to see who continued to push for it, I don't take a vote off because that what others want, I will do it when I'm ready, when I feel that actually it wouldn't be a good idea to lynch him, or I feel he may well be telling the truth. If he had claimed a role, I would have jumped off, as I don't believe in lynching roles until we can all review it. He didn't he hinted at it! And there has been too much of that! I think someone else has again voted for him pushing for a lynch on him...that I find scummy!

 

Nice avi Ithi!  

 

Finally caught up with the game, and yes I skimmed a bit, so I might miss something.  On the other hand, I'm not supposed to be doing this anyways right now, so it was the best I can do.  Currently, my answer to my vote on Ed has not changed, it was a game jumpstarter, there is literally nothing else that I can say on that.  Also, my vote is going to vote Talya because I do not like how she piled on Dice's small train as well as (I think I remember) that when the speed of dice's train was pointed out, just shrugged it off.

 You skimmed. First issue

then you vote Talya, I dont like the fact you did that when you admit to skimming so you dont know the full story of the game thus far. She only had one vote so it feels like its a safe place to put your vote for now. The strange thing is that you failed to mention her around the time stuff was happening with her. Remember those people i talked about you omitting, she was one. So now with skimming you seem to of suddenly changed your mind.

Could be a safe time to vote a teammate and do some distancing. Time will tell i guess but it pinged

 

Dice but i lost the top code when DM s*** itself on me

 

i soft claimed because the way my train gained momentum so fast i fully expected to be lynched by the time i got home. Am pleasantly surprised to not be dead.

 

I only did it cause i felt i had better. I hate claiming. and  claiming on day 3??  Not something i want to do.

I believe Talya already went over the D3 part. Id like to add that that may of been intentional. It gives a great out if he needs one. Just say ?oh wrong game" and hes mostly forgiven - I agree, little bits that you put in a corner in case it is required!

Id like to call on Darthe at this point. Who so eagerly called Eds train out for stalling, yet failed to do so on the Dice train, even before the soft claim

 

Well Dice now that you're back, are you gonna claim for real or not? I'm still not sure if I believe you have a role; I've seen you pull the exact same thing before and then when you finally come back you claimed vanilla I think... Can't remember if you were town or mafia.

 

 Fishing...

Also what Tiink said. Go check and bring back quotes or links if you can please

 

I think Talya is mafia. I think Len is likely mafia too. Dice is swinging back and forth every time he posts. Im really on the fence with him but im leaning more town at this point

Rand seems like he is mafia as well.

So out of them i think we will get atleast 1 but probably 2 or 3 mafia if my spidy senses are right 

Im going to bed now. DM has died on me once too often tonight and ive almost lost this all twice. Its 2am

Night

 

 

As for the Dice hinting at a role, we only have one person who has said he has done this before. And then she couldn't remember what he actually was. Is this someone else trying to add weight that he could be lying and get him to that L-1 to get him to reveal. 

 

Just need to check who it was and who added their vote...forgot after answering Players epic post! 

[Arez Al'Loke]

"Now, who does irrational ... , Town or scum" missed the comma.

 

"What he thinks of Talya's" missed the of.

 

Now what you should have done, Dap, is keep the little scum tell to yourself atleast to the end of the day.
Use the posts she've made so far and build a case on it, connecting the usage of exclamation marks to different sentences and so on.

[Talya]

This, it was Mish, who brought up this gem about him hinting before...could be trying to find something else to make people vote for him. Which make me inclined to think he would be more likley town than mafia and being set up...if she is telling the truth, doesn't mean he is also lying in this game! 

Well Dice now that you're back, are you gonna claim for real or not? I'm still not sure if I believe you have a role; I've seen you pull the exact same thing before and then when you finally come back you claimed vanilla I think... Can't remember if you were town or mafia.

 

 

Ok I have caught up last night and here are my thoughts about the current game:

 

 

The case on Dice: 

 

Dice voted for Talya because he thinks that she is a symp. He links her with Ley, so Dice thinks that Ley is mafia too. Talya finds it laughable and says that he might be the real symp. His train starts and a lot of the players think that it's the most logical lynch option so far. Some players say that it's going too fast. Dice came back a few pages back and explains that his vote on Talya was based on game instinct. He also mentions that the votes on him piled up too fast and soft claims a town PR which I find to be very scummy. 

 

The case on Talya by Dap: 

 

The thing that I found a little scummy about Dap is that he first starts questioning Talya's meta (exclamation marks), and later Hallia's meta. He later says that Darthe's town read on Lenlo (which is based on meta) isn't valid and that it's scummy to use meta to case someone. This doesn't make any sense to me. Furthermore, I think that he has gone too far with his exclamation mark case on Talya.

 

The case on Ed by Darthe: 

 

Says that Lenlo is town and bases his reasonings on meta and that Lenlo wouldn't take such risks if he were scum.

 

I find Darthe's case against Ed bad. The first two votes on Ed were joke votes from Rey and Basel, they didn't have any valid reasons for their votes. Ed's train fell apart because the players found Rand vote on him scummy. Rand's unvote later in the game and his statement that his original vote on Ed was weak only supports this even more.  

 

Peace: 

 

Stop with the whole "bloody" thing please. Your posts are almost unreadable and I'm almost inclined to start ignoring them. 

 

 

 

 

I think that Dice will be the best lynch option for Day 1. 

 

Unvote, Vote Dice

 

This I find odd as well, like I tried to say, mafia will want Dice to claim his role, so they start to put more pressure on. FOS at Cloud for this! There is still 4 days to the end of Day 1 so at the moment why rush a vote UNVOTE

 

I also checked that vote count...it has me as the third person on Dice's lynch, I wasn't, I was the second, so not exactly jumping on a train...Len and RTE were the ones who quickly followed. So the vote count make it look odd. I didn't think I was third! So there was no train to jump on!  

[Talya]

the top quote was Mish, the second was Cloud...looks like we have lost the headings again!

[Turin Turambar]

Official Vote Count:

 

Mish - 1 (Tiink)

Rey - 1 (Eddie)

Eddie - 2 (Rey, Darthe)

Ley - 2 (Basel, Peace)

Talya - 2 (Dice, Rand)

Dice - 4 (Mish, RTE, Len, Cloud)

Kae - 1 (Arez)

 

Currently not voting - 11 (Chuckles, Roo, Hallia, Player, Ishy, Time, Song, Kae, Maw, Ley, Talya)

 

With 24 alive it takes 10 to Lynch

 

The current Deadline is 9pm GMT Monday 4th March

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130304T21&p0=136&msg=End+of+Day+1

[Leyrann]

the top quote was Mish, the second was Cloud...looks like we have lost the headings again!

 

It's there for me...

 

By the way, I keep hearing about Mynd. I really want to play with her (him?) once...

[Leyrann]

Also, I think Arez indeed made a good point about Dice. (and about Talya too, but that was already clear to me)

 

And I'm not sure if both Mish and Cloud would be setting a Dice lynch up, but it's worth having a look at. Mostly of Mish I'm not sure, Cloud was indeed a bit opportunisitc, with the fifth vote (out of 10) so early and with so little going on. It's better to wait and gather some more information and then we'll see.

[dapianoplay3r]

Ill go back on the ipad and answer everything properly.

 

You people need to stop ignoring my cases cos i include the exclamation marks. Read the rest of it. Youll see that talya is scummy, very likely mafia. Shes now turning on cloud. The oerson Rand iriginally went for

 

Mish is pinging me more and morei

[Sakaea]

I agree with the general sentiment that Dice "soft" claiming or w/e you want to call it is really sucpicious. BUT, I can not see anyway that the mafia would benefit from him soft claiming as he did.

 

What would be the purpose of soft claiming? Most often to get votes off you and lynch someone else, doesn't matter if you're scum or actually have a powerrole, both factions strive for the same thing. Survive the current day.

 

Did this method of soft claim achieve the purpose? NO. So would it be reasonable to assume a mafia player (who has experiance) would use a method like this..?

What other option is there? He made a irrational move. Now who does irrational moves more often, Scum or Town?

 

What I'm really curious about is Dap's OBSESSION with pointing out over and over what he thinks Talya's exclamation marks.. 

Lets say I blink everytime I lie. You tell everyone "HEY, AREZ BLINKS EVERYTIME HE LIES!!"

Then I'd say, "No, I don't" and continue with the blinking.

 

What you're now doing is continuing to point out that "HEY, AREZ IS STILL BLINKING, HE MUST BE LYING"

But by now, because you notified the rest of the world, I would have adapted.

 

Therefor, continuing to point out how Talya uses her exclamation marks is BEYOND pointless, if she was scum/symp, she would have adjusted her posting to compensate.

 

Otherwise, I have nothing else to contribute with. Right now I'm not useful for anything, other then pointing out illogical things or Wifom's..

 

 

This makes a lot of sense.

[Netbattler11]

Dice: No clue what to think. His symp talk just seemed random. His soft claim seemed fairly scummy. His train seemed like it was being pushed too hard, too fast. Undecided.

 

Player: Gives me a town vibe. Obsessed with exclamation points.

 

Talya: Strikes me as town, although a scatterbrained one. Some of Players points do make sense though.

 

Len: No me gusta how flippantly he advanced a lynch.

 

Ley: Just kind of exists.

 

 

No one else really sticks out to me.

[Netbattler11]

Derp.

 

Rand: All over the place. Can't get a lock on him.

[_CLOUD]

I really like Daps case and could get behind several of those trains.  However, it doesn't change that we would be leaving Ed alive to submit night kills.

 

Can you tell us which parts of Daps case you like? After reading Dap's latest case he seems to think that Talya, Len and Rand are mafia. I remember you defending Len and attacking Ed, so you agreeing with Dap's case is a little inconsistent imo. 

 

This, it was Mish, who brought up this gem about him hinting before...could be trying to find something else to make people vote for him. Which make me inclined to think he would be more likley town than mafia and being set up...if she is telling the truth, doesn't mean he is also lying in this game! 

Well Dice now that you're back, are you gonna claim for real or not? I'm still not sure if I believe you have a role; I've seen you pull the exact same thing before and then when you finally come back you claimed vanilla I think... Can't remember if you were town or mafia.

 

 

Ok I have caught up last night and here are my thoughts about the current game:

 

 

The case on Dice: 

 

Dice voted for Talya because he thinks that she is a symp. He links her with Ley, so Dice thinks that Ley is mafia too. Talya finds it laughable and says that he might be the real symp. His train starts and a lot of the players think that it's the most logical lynch option so far. Some players say that it's going too fast. Dice came back a few pages back and explains that his vote on Talya was based on game instinct. He also mentions that the votes on him piled up too fast and soft claims a town PR which I find to be very scummy. 

 

The case on Talya by Dap: 

 

The thing that I found a little scummy about Dap is that he first starts questioning Talya's meta (exclamation marks), and later Hallia's meta. He later says that Darthe's town read on Lenlo (which is based on meta) isn't valid and that it's scummy to use meta to case someone. This doesn't make any sense to me. Furthermore, I think that he has gone too far with his exclamation mark case on Talya.

 

The case on Ed by Darthe: 

 

Says that Lenlo is town and bases his reasonings on meta and that Lenlo wouldn't take such risks if he were scum.

 

I find Darthe's case against Ed bad. The first two votes on Ed were joke votes from Rey and Basel, they didn't have any valid reasons for their votes. Ed's train fell apart because the players found Rand vote on him scummy. Rand's unvote later in the game and his statement that his original vote on Ed was weak only supports this even more.  

 

Peace: 

 

Stop with the whole "bloody" thing please. Your posts are almost unreadable and I'm almost inclined to start ignoring them. 

 

 

 

 

I think that Dice will be the best lynch option for Day 1. 

 

Unvote, Vote Dice

 

This I find odd as well, like I tried to say, mafia will want Dice to claim his role, so they start to put more pressure on. FOS at Cloud for this! There is still 4 days to the end of Day 1 so at the moment why rush a vote UNVOTE

 

I also checked that vote count...it has me as the third person on Dice's lynch, I wasn't, I was the second, so not exactly jumping on a train...Len and RTE were the ones who quickly followed. So the vote count make it look odd. I didn't think I was third! So there was no train to jump on!  

 

I'm not rushing anything, I'm just voting for the player that makes the most sense to me. I agree that there is still plenty of time left and I will change my vote if anything better comes up, but so far I doubt that will happen. Also good job at ignoring Ley's post where he stated that he would have voted for Dice if I hadn't already done so. 

 

 

the top quote was Mish, the second was Cloud...looks like we have lost the headings again!

 

The headings are also working for me just fine :)

 

Did this method of soft claim achieve the purpose? NO. So would it be reasonable to assume a mafia player (who has experiance) would use a method like this..?

What other option is there? He made a irrational move. Now who does irrational moves more often, Scum or Town?

 

I would have agreed with you if it just was one occurence, but Dice's play has been sloppy and irrational throughout the whole game.

[_CLOUD]

Also, I think Arez indeed made a good point about Dice. (and about Talya too, but that was already clear to me)

 

And I'm not sure if both Mish and Cloud would be setting a Dice lynch up, but it's worth having a look at. Mostly of Mish I'm not sure, Cloud was indeed a bit opportunisitc, with the fifth vote (out of 10) so early and with so little going on. It's better to wait and gather some more information and then we'll see.

 

 

 

Is there any basis whatsoever for this symp speculation? Or is it all just conjecture from Dice, which I feel sows nothing but wifom and is unhelpful

 

You could always have read properly and see why we started talking about Symp...

 

Awesome. Take things I say out of context and bend the words to make me look bad.

 

Its ok Dap, I expect it of you at this point.

 

PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING.

 

 

Wow.  So much spam.  *Grabs hat* Lets get to work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is probably the most game related post in the entire game right now.  Ed looks eager to get this game started.  Looks like he is trying to seem town by starting the game up.  However not only that, but throughout this quote, he puts some weak FoSes, light FoSes, subliminal FoSes, and whatever you want to call it.  Seems more like he's stating things and saying they are a little bit scummy too much and is trying not to be called out for it.  So for these reasons, vote Eddie

 

Game. actually. started.

 

Bloody gets to work and doesn't bloody look like a getting things bloody started post.  Looks bloody real to me.

 

>Damn everything what I wanted to say lost because Firefox crashed...

 

Oh whatever. There wasn't that much importance anyways.

 

Vote Maw

 

*creates a gateway to Hogwarts*

 

*grabs hat of Harry's head*

 

*looks in it* There must be a speaker somewhere, right?

 

Hm... Can't seem to find it. *creates gateway back*

 

I didn't know you always bloody voted May.  This started some bloody thinking on my bloody part though.

 

Bloody DM...I have just lost my whole post!!!

 

Anyway without the quotes...Basal... any time 

 

Ed - I'd balefire you if I didn't  me a want to play this game - calling sloth on!!! 

 

Maw - you are me favourite person ever for the SG1 thing...until some thing more shiny comes along.

 

At least the game is now getting going. Thought Rand jumping Ed was a bit quick. Did he expect him to have vast information after 11 pages of spam, at least he has got things going!

 

*grabs hat*

 

Gets the whole bloody thing started.

 

Alright, so Ed started FoSing people, but not really fosing them.

 

Rand called him out for that.

 

 

So far this seems a little dull, but what about Talya? Even though the game pretty obviously started, she keeps on spamming. Afaik, that's not helpful.

*Grabs hat*

 

I bloody agree.  Rand's post was a bloody real post he bloody later backed bloody down from.

 

To be honest I feel like there are too many people voting Rand over his Ed vote.

 

I bloody vote Ley due to what looks like bloody protecting bloody team mate.

 

UNVOTE BLOODY LEN AND VOTE BLOODY LEY.

 

 

OK firstly, Ithi I hope you and everyone living with you is all OK!    I'm sorry that that happened.

 

Second of all to RTE: lol, yes recently my play quality has been shrunken greatly.  If I ever have time in my life again, I'll play mafia to the full extent of my ability with notes, careful full game readthroughs and WoTs.  However, I currently do not have the time to devote for that.

 

Third of all, as was said in my post, it was literally just to jumpstart the game.  That being said, that vote on Ed was completely weak.  unvote

 

Now to look at reactions.  I think the people that stood out to me the most are Lenlo, and Cloud.  These are the people that I am looking at the most.  So currently, FoSes on both of them.  

 

Didn't look bloody weak when it was posted.  Looks bloody weak unvoting here.  Looks like bloody bussing.

 

Are bloody Rand, Ley and bloody Ed bloody scummates?

 

 

Well that's a bloody astonishing case.

 

Bloody astonishing weak to be exactly. You're calling me, Ed and Rand teammates because of my post saying too many people were voting me (and, as I already said, there were less than I thought), and my joke vote on Maw?

 

Also, stop this "bloody", if you can, tell us how we can make it stop, if we can, and start making sense in your posts. You apparently can post as much as you want in one post, so having to say "bloody" every so often doesn't mean you can't play properly.

 

oh im here talya   i got booted off the puter by my brother last night and despite instructions not to turn of the puter he did anyway and hence i lost what i was going to quote so i will just reply and hope i remember everything.

 

Its interesting how my single vote  and it seemed i was the only one going to vote that way caused all this reaction. No i did not see a symp recently and 'get all excited' i think symp is a waste of role cause ive never seen them do anything really. My take on it is instinctual and as i tried to explain with the whole trivial pursuit example at times when i have had a immeadiate feel or answer and have NOT followed it it has turned out my instinct is right.

 

we went 20 odd pages or so and i think the most votes on anyone had been 2  then in ONE page i got 4!  I think i touched a nerve. 

 

Looking at that train is probably a good way to go

 

now as i am going to work and if yesterdays run on voting me is an indicator then i am going to tell you now that i am town and have a power role

 

This is SOOOOO scummy. There had been no votes on you for like, five pages, yet you still feel the need to soft claim? It sounds like you are making sure we won't lynch you while you can make up a good fake claim.

 

I'd vote you over it if Cloud hadn't yet. And you're still the scummiest I see around here. Not sure if I have a vote hanging around, but

 

unvote

 

in that case. And virtual vote on Dice, but I want to see some more defense before brining him to 6 votes.

 

 

Right....

[dapianoplay3r]

 

Dont study architecture kids. 700 bucks statipnary....

Not sure if jealous...

I'd love design. Not like fashion design but giving something it's own personality which people wouldn't expect it to have. It's just such a satisfying way of bringing something to life! On the other hand the architects and my university basically live in their studios and don't see the light of day. The last time I saw one he had bloodshot eyes and screamed when in contact with direct sunlight like AUGHAGHAHGHAHAHA *tssssssss*...

I'm planning to attempt to have a social life and see the sun.but who knows lol

But yea I spent so much on pens it was ridiculous

 

  

I've played almost 20 games Dap; I'm not gonna read through them all to figure out wich one it was. I know I have seen him do this "I'm about to leave but I have a few votes so I'll out out a soft claim/towni claim/role claim" before, and I think he hinted at a role and then when eh came back he claimed vanilla town. But I don't remember what allegieance he had.

 

And yeah I'm fishing. Soft claims and hinting is a serious pet peeve of mine. If he has an important enough role that lynching him would be really bad, he should claim fully before he leaves if he thinks he'll be lynched in the meantime. Because a soft claim just makes the game stall. It's a brilliant way to bring town close to deadline without a proper lynch secured and then rushvoting happens. I'm not saying Dice is doing that now, because we have a lot of time. But soft claiming is not townie-friendly behaviour.

  

Right lets use our memories!

What do you remember of the game, who was there, how long ago. You can't say stuff without evidence

Fishing is scummy, how does learning what his power role is (if any) benifits the mafia a 100 times more than the town and normally ends with the PR claimed dead. I also don't think it's likely that he will be lynched before he gets a chance to claim. So scummy Mish is scummy

 

Ok I have caught up last night and here are my thoughts about the current game:

 

 

The case on Dice: 

 

Dice voted for Talya because he thinks that she is a symp. He links her with Ley, so Dice thinks that Ley is mafia too. Talya finds it laughable and says that he might be the real symp. His train starts and a lot of the players think that it's the most logical lynch option so far. Some players say that it's going too fast. Dice came back a few pages back and explains that his vote on Talya was based on game instinct. He also mentions that the votes on him piled up too fast and soft claims a town PR which I find to be very scummy. 

 

The case on Talya by Dap: 

 

The thing that I found a little scummy about Dap is that he first starts questioning Talya's meta (exclamation marks), and later Hallia's meta. He later says that Darthe's town read on Lenlo (which is based on meta) isn't valid and that it's scummy to use meta to case someone. This doesn't make any sense to me. Furthermore, I think that he has gone too far with his exclamation mark case on Talya.

 I thought he was trying to use his own personal meta, not the meta read he got on Len. My point was that he said Len was scummy but cos of Lens meta he is town. It looked like he was trying to cover all the scumminess up. He was defending Len. Then he calls out the train halting, but he does nothing of the sort about the Dice case.

Once again, ignore the ! Stuff and read the rest. I can even post it again and edit it out if it will help

The case on Ed by Darthe: 

 

Says that Lenlo is town and bases his reasonings on meta and that Lenlo wouldn't take such risks if he were scum.

 

I find Darthe's case against Ed bad. The first two votes on Ed were joke votes from Rey and Basel, they didn't have any valid reasons for their votes. Ed's train fell apart because the players found Rand vote on him scummy. Rand's unvote later in the game and his statement that his original vote on Ed was weak only supports this even more.

while I agree that it was weak about the Ed train, the fact that he hasn't brought the same thing up again. Normally people when looking for mafia look for similar things in all the players, it's odd that he abandoned this thought of reasoning  

 

Peace: 

 

Stop with the whole "bloody" thing please. Your posts are almost unreadable and I'm almost inclined to start ignoring them. 

  don't. You can be annoyed by them and dislike them but never ignore things. That's unwise and scummy

 

 

 

I think that Dice will be the best lynch option for Day 1. 

 

Unvote, Vote Dice

I don't like voting a soft claiming PR, it was opportunistic and is along the lines with what Mish did

 

I really like Daps case and could get behind several of those trains.  However, it doesn't change that we would be leaving Ed alive to submit night kills.

You seem very sure that the NK is submitted by someone specific. That's not common in DM mafia, including your games. Why do you think it's Ed specifically submitting the kills?

 

  

Mish I can ABSOLUTELY guarantee that you have never seen me soft claim a power role and then say im vanilla. I dont normally soft claim at all. In fact usually you dont get anything unless im L-1.

I will try to find this if I can. If she is telling the truth it will mean you are lying, if not, she is lying. Either way it will be useful information.

 

As i said before i saw that and my instincts went off. I decided to follow them. why didnt you wait and watch. if she pushed a lynch away from someone later in the game and then you mentioned this it would of been far more useful and may of actually been credible I even waited a real day while i thought about it. 

@Dap  the fact that it is so familiar is what makes it a great thing to use    noone will think about it twice. I HAVE seen games where we read the mafia QT later and someone had said something like "if there is a symp reading thios in your next post do this..." hence i assume it IS possible for symps to see the QT and follow instructions to identify themselves. in the most recent game we were both in i remember that the mafia gave a gif to post. very very specific. Saying you have DM issues isnt. ive had DM die on me twice during this post (no s*** im getting pissed off with it) and one thing i didnt realize is that a symp is counted as mafia numbers wise. Yes i still think she is a symp and no i am not a symp.

not always but more often than not in my experience

 

I explained why i soft claimed the way i did because i was going to be gone for 9 or more hours and didnt want to get lynched. I also thought that considering how often people in mafia games go on and on about meta that those who have played with me would know that I dont soft claim and figure out that I really do have a role and am town.

9 hours to sleep when we have 5 days till deadline. I think you could of waited. Using your own meta to defend yourself. Scummy

But going with that, if your meta is to not soft claim, that would make you off your meta this game, and since most games you would of been town that would been you are off your town meta. That's by your own omission.

and no im not going to tell you my role at this point we still have 4 days til DL and im not going to do what Moon did. either believe me or dont. If you lynch me you lose a useful town role.  its that simple.

 

This will probably get you NKed. If you are town the mafia will want to kill you to remove the potential role. See why it's unhelpful to town to even hint at a role if you won't go all the way through with it? Rather dont say anything and hope than do what you did

 

 

I agree with the general sentiment that Dice "soft" claiming or w/e you want to call it is really sucpicious. BUT, I can not see anyway that the mafia would benefit from him soft claiming as he did.

  neither can I

What would be the purpose of soft claiming? Most often to get votes off you and lynch someone else, doesn't matter if you're scum or actually have a powerrole, both factions strive for the same thing. Survive the current day.

 

Did this method of soft claim achieve the purpose? NO. So would it be reasonable to assume a mafia player (who has experiance) would use a method like this..?

What other option is there? He made a irrational move. Now who does irrational moves more often, Scum or Town?

 

What I'm really curious about is Dap's OBSESSION with pointing out over and over what he thinks Talya's exclamation marks.. 

Lets say I blink everytime I lie. You tell everyone "HEY, AREZ BLINKS EVERYTIME HE LIES!!"

Then I'd say, "No, I don't" and continue with the blinking.

What you're now doing is continuing to point out that "HEY, AREZ IS STILL BLINKING, HE MUST BE LYING"

But by now, because you notified the rest of the world, I would have adapted.

 

Therefor, continuing to point out how Talya uses her exclamation marks is BEYOND pointless, if she was scum/symp, she would have adjusted her posting to compensate.

 

Otherwise, I have nothing else to contribute with. Right now I'm not useful for anything, other then pointing out illogical things or Wifom's..

Ignore the stuff about ! It was just something that I've noticed since she has been playing again. My case on her isn't actually built on it. It's about the way she has been voting and working with others

  

 

i had to edit this down for quotes so I'm only dealing with the stuff Talya posts about, ill also take out the exclamation mark stuff since it seems to scare people off and give them an excuse not to comment on the actual case

 

 

I wasn't defending him at all, he came back quite aggressive and some said how I could think it was a joke vote... I still think it was odd and he gave no explanation and I want one... so asking for why he voted Len.

so you didn't think it was done in a naff way!

he made a joke about Len sitting on his hat...joke!

So you accuse in one breath of defnding him and in the next saying how I could call it a joke vote...

if he posts that way I will look at is a joke and think he isn't taking things seriously and I have to question why?

Is he hiding something?

Is it just me or is most of this really hard to follow?

Also she is getting really defensive about stuff for little reason - I was explaining something, when I didn't have much time and had to get to work - my time is very limited, i'm a little fed up with the exclamation marks, because they don't mean anything at all, you don't like them? Tough! I do them. my three dots is another thing I do!I wasn't talking jokey stuff as in me, but in Peace's vote on Len!so I took out my sentence on the !s. now read Talyas answer. She pretty much ignores the defensive stuff and only explanation is that she is busy

 

Maybe that was his tell to the mafia - he had to accuse someone of being the symp..haha

Which leads me to this. It seems like a legitimate idea yet she laughs it off. Feels a bit like a damage control - This bit, is was haha as in ironic! In other words, it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out that way

so why didn't you say it. Adding the haha makes it look like you are joking. All that does is gives you the option to say,I was joking, or I was serious, depending on how it suits that later in the game. It's playing both sides and not taking a stand which I find scummy

 

 

This is really slow.UNVOTE

I didn't like the way Dice tried to link me and Ley and then threw the symp in there...and this game needs liven upVOTE DICE

 

Right so in that gap. Between this post and the last post there was a vote count, so Talya is trying to move the game forward faster even though there is no rush. It also seems that she would of seen her vote was still on RTE for not much reasoning. She then jumps on Dice and is quickly followed by.... You've missed the first post so I don't know what iot says whilst doing this, sorry that I sometimes think on things before I do them, but I do have other things in between (like getting my daughter to bed :p) , I wnated to get things going, as it all seemed slow, and I wanted a bit of pressure on Dice, because I thought his symp stuff was odd.  follow the link attached to the quote if you want to see the quote in its setting. I didn't miss a quote though, it was the quote above that was before this one with ithis vote count I between the two. There is about 30 mins between them though so I could conceive that you went away and though about it. As for things going slow, yes the game was slowing down but you picked Dice, when Rand, Ley, and Ed all had 2 votes while dice had one. So to move the game faster would if been to vote one of them, I believe the pressure part though

 

hmmm...seems to a bit!

Exclamation mark.. -get over it, it's getting tedious! ok ignore the ! It seems like you are unconcerned by the fact that Dices train is picking up so fast. Why does that not seem worrying to you

 

Sometimes it is the small things that will catch people out! 

I'm trying to think about the Rand/Ed vote business. It was a weak excuse for Rand, but then this is Day 1 and it was at the beginning. But I didn't like the way he came off it saying it was weak, was he trying something or as trying to make himself look town if Ed is Mafia. It was a bit of a damp squib if that was what he was trying to do, felt a bit fumbled! 

 

Dice - just wondered where you were. If you touched a nerve, whose nerve. It was a very bad link you made, did you think that people really would leave it. And please don't soft claim, it doesn't help town nor yourself and either people will find it scummy and try to lynch, whilst others will try to lynch just you to get your role! I'm not sure whether I want to take my vote off or leave it there for another silly move!

Talya starts to defend Rand in this post. I dislike it (deal with it Darthe) - Actually I was more thinking it was a fumble as he tried to make himself look town, not that I was thinking he was town. So you got that wrong! it seemed like you were using the fact that it was so fumbled to make the idea he was mafia seem ludicrous

Even her sentences that she calls him scummy end up defending him in a way. - Nope just the way you decided to read it for your case, not how I was thinking when I wrote it! maybe you should be more clear. Like I just said it sounds like you are making the idea that Rand would fumble something like this up as mafia unlikely. I read it like that cos I look at posts to see what they would be saying if the person was town or mafia. And that's what it looked like to me if you are mafia. It fit more than how it read for you being town

As for the nerve that Dice talks about touching. Id say those fast voters, especially you - Explained already!. doesnt mean im not allowed to say it again![/color=blue] You didnt seem interested in voting him until after ithi's vote count. What difference would that make, I wanted to push Dice and didn't like the symp stuff and wanted to see what happened! As Mynd used to put is rustling the grass to see what comes out!   the rest of the sentence explained that but you didnt comment on that part In that time you either looked at the VC and saw your RTE vote and needed to change it or saw something on a QT and reacted to that.

It was a sudden change of heart that wasnt brought on by a reread or anything other than a VC

Also please explain the bold? That looks like a slip to me. - Why it is a slip, there will be people who will vote him to push him into a reveal! Good to see who might try this, don't you think it's a slip cos while people will use votes to pressure someone to reveal that's not what you said. You said "to get your role" to get doesn't mean to learn. I agree with watching those who try to push for a reveal, but you talk about lynching him for his role. Why would you lynch someone for their role unless it was a scummy role (which you shouldn't know about if you were town) or if you knew of a grave digger role (which you shouldn't know about if you are town either) so that's why it is a slip. It suggests you know about roles that haven't been mentioned on thread

You also keep your vote on him though you seem to believe he has a role - I don't know he is roled for sure,. I don't know if it was him trying to pull a fast one, but it would be interesting to see who continued to push for it, I don't take a vote off because that what others want, I will do it when I'm ready, when I feel that actually it wouldn't be a good idea to lynch him, or I feel he may well be telling the truth. If he had claimed a role, I would have jumped off, as I don't believe in lynching roles until we can all review it. He didn't he hinted at it! And there has been too much of that! I think someone else has again voted for him pushing for a lynch on him...that I find scummy!

 if you aren't sure if he is roled or not you risk lynching a PR. on Day 1 it's not worth that incase "he is pulling a fast one". You continue to push for it...

So you think it is a good idea to lynch him at present? (Bold) and you don't think he is telling the truth but you already said you aren't sure, so you would rather lynch a possible PR on day 1 than anyone else at this time, mainly cos he called you a symp and hinted at a role. Scared mafia is scared.

Then you push for him to reveal. Didn't you just say we should watch people who do that?

 

Dice but i lost the top code when DM s*** itself on me

 

i soft claimed because the way my train gained momentum so fast i fully expected to be lynched by the time i got home. Am pleasantly surprised to not be dead.

 

I only did it cause i felt i had better. I hate claiming. and  claiming on day 3??  Not something i want to do.

I believe Talya already went over the D3 part. Id like to add that that may of been intentional. It gives a great out if he needs one. Just say ?oh wrong game" and hes mostly forgiven - I agree, little bits that you put in a corner in case it is required! so not a word from Talya unless it was to defend herself until now. Was the rest of my case not worth mentioning tal? Strange how the one thing I say that kinda put her in an almost town like light from My POV she jumps on and feels the need to comment on. She is just so busy thinking about herself she ignored all the rest of the quotes that were in this case (I had to take them out cos too many quotes for DM but follow the link back if you want to see what she ignored)

Id like to call on Darthe at this point. Who so eagerly called Eds train out for stalling, yet failed to do so on the Dice train, even before the soft claim

 

I think Talya is mafia. I think Len is likely mafia too. Dice is swinging back and forth every time he posts. Im really on the fence with him but im leaning more town at this point

Rand seems like he is mafia as well.

So out of them i think we will get atleast 1 but probably 2 or 3 mafia if my spidy senses are right 

Im going to bed now. DM has died on me once too often tonight and ive almost lost this all twice. Its 2am

Night

 

 

As for the Dice hinting at a role, we only have one person who has said he has done this before. And then she couldn't remember what he actually was. Is this someone else trying to add weight that he could be lying and get him to that L-1 to get him to reveal. 

  I agree Mish is scummy for that, but you call her out for adding weight to trying to make him reveal yet you just said that you would lynch him if he didn't. Pot meet kettle

Just need to check who it was and who added their vote...forgot after answering Players epic post! 

  

 

This, it was Mish, who brought up this gem about him hinting before...could be trying to find something else to make people vote for him. Which make me inclined to think he would be more likley town than mafia and being set up...if she is telling the truth, doesn't mean he is also lying in this game!  once again Mish is scummy for doing what you are doing just slightly differently. Like how you are setting up for incase she does find quotes though

 

 

Well Dice now that you're back, are you gonna claim for real or not? I'm still not sure if I believe you have a role; I've seen you pull the exact same thing before and then when you finally come back you claimed vanilla I think... Can't remember if you were town or mafia.

 

 

Ok I have caught up last night and here are my thoughts about the current game:

 

 

The case on Dice: 

 

Dice voted for Talya because he thinks that she is a symp. He links her with Ley, so Dice thinks that Ley is mafia too. Talya finds it laughable and says that he might be the real symp. His train starts and a lot of the players think that it's the most logical lynch option so far. Some players say that it's going too fast. Dice came back a few pages back and explains that his vote on Talya was based on game instinct. He also mentions that the votes on him piled up too fast and soft claims a town PR which I find to be very scummy. 

 

The case on Talya by Dap: 

 

The thing that I found a little scummy about Dap is that he first starts questioning Talya's meta (exclamation marks), and later Hallia's meta. He later says that Darthe's town read on Lenlo (which is based on meta) isn't valid and that it's scummy to use meta to case someone. This doesn't make any sense to me. Furthermore, I think that he has gone too far with his exclamation mark case on Talya.

 

The case on Ed by Darthe: 

 

Says that Lenlo is town and bases his reasonings on meta and that Lenlo wouldn't take such risks if he were scum.

 

I find Darthe's case against Ed bad. The first two votes on Ed were joke votes from Rey and Basel, they didn't have any valid reasons for their votes. Ed's train fell apart because the players found Rand vote on him scummy. Rand's unvote later in the game and his statement that his original vote on Ed was weak only supports this even more.  

 

Peace: 

 

Stop with the whole "bloody" thing please. Your posts are almost unreadable and I'm almost inclined to start ignoring them. 

 

 

 

 

I think that Dice will be the best lynch option for Day 1. 

 

Unvote, Vote Dice

 

This I find odd as well, like I tried to say, mafia will want Dice to claim his role, so they start to put more pressure on. FOS at Cloud for this! There is still 4 days to the end of Day 1 so at the moment why rush a vote UNVOTE

so hypocritical but atleast you unvoted now

 

I also checked that vote count...it has me as the third person on Dice's lynch, I wasn't, I was the second, so not exactly jumping on a train...Len and RTE were the ones who quickly followed. So the vote count make it look odd. I didn't think I was third! So there was no train to jump on!  

No you tried to start a train

 

Lambs got out brb

But read it and weep Talya, you are totally mafia

[Darthe]

I am skimming these giant posts at this point.  I see a lot of dice talk but no case on dice.  

[dapianoplay3r]

Cloud I agree about Darthe. He seems to be going where the most heat is really and not thinking too much for himself

[dapianoplay3r]

Then don't vote him, as for the skimming. Atleast read the answers in the different colours. But still it's in these cases that lots of slips and patterns emerge, skimming them is silly

[John E. Kelley]

I am skimming these giant posts at this point.  I see a lot of dice talk but no case on dice.  

Pot. Meet kettle.

 

I see a lot of talk about Ed in your posts, but no case. Unless you expect us to consider people unvoting their obvious joke votes as a case.

[dapianoplay3r]

You just stole my line