The Ultimate Mafia Showdown - Town Wins

[Red2111]

no player it isn't to distract you from me, and i'm still waiting on your thoughts about Mish.

 

tbh, i dont think you have anythign on me, most of your points about me were "red and basel are pullign a gambit", other than that, you had 0 points on me but a load on basel.  whcih is why you were voting him over me today.

 

and Basel was obviusly a vig kill, just as you were a vig kill on D1.  seeing as they held back on D2, they're likely limited to killing certain cycles.  as for why, they probably agreed basel was scum and wanted to get 2 scum today rather than just lynch him.  interesting how your tryign to paint it as a scum kill.  are you really saying the mod gave the scum a NK and a day kill ability??

 

i also dislike how against you are lynching someone who is most certaintly scum.  uncontested counts for nothin agaisnt him, i stated earlier any finder worth their grit wouldnt cc a false claim.  scum false claim to draw out the power role, why walk into their hands?  i've already pointed out my thoughts on this, so i wont repeat them.

 

 

lynch another person, i've stated i'm good with Mish, RTE, Dice and Niel.  BG to a lesser extent because hes pinging me as 3rd party from meta.  nothign solid on him, but the last 2 times i've seen him play as SK he lurked this bad.  not enough to lynch him on imo, but worth taking note of.

 

and Player you act like i'm only focusing on Rand.  i posted a nice case on Mish and why she woudl make a good lynch as well.

[dapianoplay3r]

I said that i liked your other choices and we should go for then first

 

as for mafia having a day kill i see your point and you are right

 

ill try do a case on you but ill do mish first. Ive been on my phone this whole time cos ive been cooking. Oncce i get onto the ipad or my lap ltop ill go through the case

 

but Rand is not almost certainly scum. If you are wrong welose a finder

if im wrong we lynch him anotherr day

[RandA lThor]

I also think that was a vig kill, Basel seemed pretty scummy before that kill.

 

Also, Red, some JOATS do not get control of their actions and their mod gives them an action each night. I'm a little surprised, you should be experienced enough to know that. That means that Turin may have not even gotten a chance to view me at all. And as I said before, if Turin was pushing so hard because of a result, why wouldnt he reveal? Your case on me is really weak, but that being said, no mafia would stretch their neck out this much, so I do think you are town. Also, in the next two days I will be jind of inactive due to tournament/my birthday/Superbowl.

[Leyrann]

Still trying to catch up, I'm at page 66 now, just read the dawn.

[dicetosser1]

Oh and sorry guys, forgot to turn in my NA, that last one was me.

Wanna try again Red?? Nows whos skimming?

 

Vote Red

[dapianoplay3r]

@ roo: i explained what i think we should do in response to Ith and BG suggesting we ignore Rand. i'll state it again though.

i say leave Rand be and if he gets another scum that he outs them. further more, because of this specific situation i'd honestly perfer him to tell us his viewings each night for info purposes. if this is the work of a framer, some of the innocents he gets might well be scum and will help us info wise. normally i'd shy away from a finder revealing townie findings, but this situaiton is unique given the WIFOM.

either way, when he outs anotuher acum, we take it with a grain of salt and instead of rushign the lynch use it to apply presusre on the person the good old fashion way.

this is imo the best way to make use of this situation without lynching him and possibly losing an uncc'd finder.

also, if Rand does flip scum then who he targets will still give us some info on the situation.

edit - bloody hell *sigh* edited to give the spacing breaks *rolls eyes*

Right so you start off saying Rand should be left alone. But you still want his viewings every night. This is before you name him mafia and when you still seem to think him town. Scummy Red is scummy

How would him telling us his viewings each night help? That way the mafia would know exactly who he was planning to look at and the godfatheriser would have all the info they needed. All that would do is to put all the cards in the mafia teams hand. At least now when he doesn't they have to guess who he will look at.

You then go on to say this situation is unique (it's not ive played more than one game with a framer before and I've even been the framer before) and use that to explain you asking for Rand to tell us his findings.

Plus you make the argument I'm making right now and say let's not lynch an uncountered cop

 

 

catching up on what happened since i last posted. on page 55 though i see Time was lynched and Rand's vieing was inaccurate.

given that Time flipped town 1 of 3 possabilities exist

- Rand is fake claiming. this option makes me lean town on Rand, theres too much to risk giving a finding like that knowing he'd be lynched unless the scum consider it worth the sacrifice, which has some validness to it. a fake claim possibly outs the real cop and takes out a "confirmed" townie.

- Rands viewing got messed with. which is likely as Time was an obvious viewing imo but so were myself and Ithi imo.

- Rand is an insane or paraniod cop, meaning he gets random viewings or sum readings on everyone. unlikely given that Darthe made him a strong-arm, but all possabilities have to be considered imo

 

I ageee that we need to talk more and not just rush to lynch WoT. I am willing to vote her but We have a lot of time. A vig shot would be the best of all scenarios right now. Then we would know more about Rand and also have the chance to get another mafioso.There is a lot of game left and no day should be wasted.

This is daps notes. Turin says Another mafioso. This means at this point he thinks Time is mafia so therefore he believes Rand. He doesn't trust Rand but he believes him

The people I am currently suspicious of are:

Tiink: no game content so far

Basel: no opinions for the day

Dice: something from D1. will look back to find and post this evening

RTE: those last few comments are really sitting wrong with me.

Something that is concerning me is that Lenlo, a confirmed townie, stated that the MOD had said that WoT's character was in fact Vin from Mistborn. And we have from the MOD that characters will reflect alignment. I don't see how this adds up. I thought about the possibility of a redirect but Rand stated that he was a strong willed cop and couldn't be redirected. There is a GFizer in the game. Perhaps there is also a framer. I just think that some of this looks all too convenient. Late cop claim, no one dies after he asks for doc protection, hits a mafia view on the first night. I guess we will see when WoT flips.

He mentions GFer but asks about a framer as well. This means Turin doesn't know that a GFer is basically a framer that can protect mafia as well as frame town

 

good points, though Turin i have to point this out but you seem to be parroting/agreeing with Ithi 90% of the time. its somethign that sticks out and doesn't sit well. perhaps its the bond, or perhaps not; it does set my hair on end and is worth noting though. so at this point Red tries to cast suspicion on both Turin and Ithi, but now they flipped town she believes everything they said

i also agree abtout he vig however. perhaps their limited on killing or something. liek only certain days or can't kill consecutively.ithi was bi phased so to me this suggests the day kills can be of anti town origins. Why would she need to protect from town kills, Vigs are normally town and so should be helping town, having the doc use their phase protect against a Vig and then open to a mafia NK doesn't make sense

I take back what I said, Basel was killed by someone anti town IMO

you're also fence sitting on Rand imo, pick one side of the coin or the other. either you think he's lieing or you think his veiwing got messed up. i want a clear answer on this

If Turin had viewed Rand would he be swaying back and forth like this? I doubt it

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Rand is fake claiming and this gives you a town read on rand cause mafia wouldn't do this.? we both are??? I'm confused.

Look at what happens. Rand is at L-1. He claims late. Lenlo is pretty much only other choice. 1 townie down. He reveals a guilty on time. Speed lynch based off his view. 2 townies down. You are suggesting we continue to lynch off his recommendations. How many bad lynches before you start to question? Just your death apparently lolAt that point in the game mafia has nothing to lose by having him claim cop. It was probably the only claim that could have saved him. So no downside lots of upside. Why not?

Parrot, I think not. I have plenty of my own thoughts. I do agree with Ithi a lot. We think similarly. She has a knack for finding the small inconsistencies in peoples statements.

Finally this was where you asked my opinion on rand which I gave. I am leaning towards him being mafia based upon circumstances. So asked and answered. He's leaning. he isn't sure. You're sure based on something that might of happened with Turins NAs. Turin wasn't sure and he knew what his NA had been and the answers he had gotten

Oh dap, I was trying to find the redoubler. I believe it is more likely a mafia role and if we the town wish to work we can find it. I did note that both rand and dice pushed that it would be town.

I think you are reading this Red as that Turin was 100% Rand was mafia when he wasn't, he says he wasn't. He just takes the stand that rand is mafia in the first part to prove a point to you that your argument didn't make sense. He wasn't sure though

i never said Rand is fake claiming, i said thats 1 of 3 possible scenarios last night. with that particular sceanrio i dont see the cost as worht the gain especialy when any findre worth their grit knows not to fall for a false claim and counter them out right. You said that if he was fake claiming he was town in your opinion. Why would be fake a claim like that as town?

i just explained why not lynchign Rand will benifit us. if he does flip scum, we can examine his interactions and non-interactions, how he acts and who he views to give us info. hold to this now then. Leave him alive until we actually need to lynch him and don't risk losing our only finder on what a dead player might of done

re-parroting - which is why i also said "agreeing" and i also said "could be the bond" meanign you guys think similarly. you gtwo do seem to agree in games you bpth play in which is why i added "might be the bond".

but, there is WIFOM in this. for all we know you coudl be scum and purposefully agreeing with Ithi to keep her from suspecting you. which is why i said worth noting and am not actively persuing that angle agaisnt you.

also, what do you think abtou my points on Mish?

Your first case on mish was good. I think I have quoted it later so ill comment on it then

Is that not your quote above. The first possibility you mention is he is fake claiming. You don't think that it is worth a string of town lynches for him to claim when he was surely dead otherwise?

The idea if taking it with a grain of salt doesn't work IMO. You either have to trust it is valid or discard it. Leaving that grey area leaves room for mafia to slide around.

If rand is never lynched then there is substantially less information gained. But again how many false reads do we follow before we have lost? If he gets an innocent do we lynch to check for insanity? If a guilty how much weight does it get?

Does darthes description of the gfer say anything about being able to frame as well? I'm on mobile and can't get to page one.

Fair enough.

Mish case has some merit.

Turin didn't know that the GFer could effect A cops viewings. His whole argument was missing that huge angle

 

I am so impatient right now, I even have things written up already.

By this quote we can be sure Rand, whatever his role or alignment did not effect the number of deaths or who died

i'll say it again. theres too much WIFOM surrounding the lack of Nks, theres no saying what may or maynot have happpened. the kills could have been purposefully withheld, there could be multiple healers and got lucky, a roel coudl have nuetralized them, they could have targetted the same person and been blocked some how for starters. this type of discussion benefits no one except for the scum so i FoS heavily all of you wanting to focus on this. especially when we should be focusing on the info gained from the rushed lynch D2 and everyones response to this.

omg opera you can be such a jackass when it comes to quotes. all i did was press enter and you erased the first time stamp.

player Red lynching you, or lynching Basel doesn't clear the other, not matter what you flip. If he flips mafia then people will try clear you based on your interaction. I don't think the I'd right. So I think we will have to end up lynching both of you in the end

@Player I asked if there were characters from the same series not for character claims. The idea was that there is only ONE character from each series (other than real life folks) so if there was another person from Midsummer Night's Dream or another person from Mistborn, we'd know one of them was lying. So I reject your opinion that asking for other characters from the same series was hunting for anything. The only thing I was hunting for was a lie. Then again, mod provided fake claims are a possibility so I was okay voting for them in the end as well.

The way to get your lie was to get a reveal. We were about to see how they flipped anyway Why do other people always mention the Bond? Just for once it would be nice to get through a game without someone dragging that into it

if me and Basel are scummy on are own, why did you spefiecially put , Basel (with Red) in your short list. the way thats posted makes it sound liek your saying i'm scummy because you find basel scummy; which means your basing your opinion on me due to someones elses actions on game. if you think we're both scummy, then i FoS your linking me like that with another player. especially given what you said here. Turin - i believe it was turin. you asked what i suppose we should do if rand finds scum. i stated this before. take the info into consideration but case them and pressure them as if there was no viewing. what it boils down to i "either we lynch Rand" or "we leave him alive". unlike you i dont find his claim that suspect, the only thing i question is his character claim, Liam Neeson. to me, i fall in the "leave him alive" category. but once Turin dies you do a complete flip on this in which case we then have to figure out how to use the WIFOM created by this situation created by whatever happened N1 to our benefit. the best way to do this, is to have him reveal his findings each day so even when you kind if believed Rand you wanted his results. You really can't stay the fact that there is some secrecy surrounding him can you. Do you know why? Because it serves the town having the mafia not know who he is looking at and when and go from there, and if he does come back with scum to not repeat what happened D2. just got home from class and goign out to eat with bubba. i'll be doing drunk Mafia tonight and bringing you that promised part 2 to my case on Mish. i'll likely not be on much tomorrow and at all over the weekand, my first exam is on tuesday.

Oh and sorry guys, forgot to turn in my NA, that last one was me.

As mafia why would he tell us this. What would it achieve? As town thought he would be truly sorry for keeping the night going for so long. It's not much but thought it was something

 

I think Red is scummy for pushing on Rand. She seems too willing to overlook the presence of the godfatherizer role, which is on top of the fact that no one has come forward to counter Rand yet. Instead she seems to be presenting it as an open and shut case that Rand is lying.

 

Vote Red.

He turned it to be town. His agrument has more weight now. So therefor we have to vote Red. He might of absorbed the JOAT role and used it to investigate her!

But aside from that farcical agrument he has a good point

 

Holy balls.

After those kills, WOW....

 

 

 

Roo gives a bunch of people gifts when he dies I think

The other is that one from the OP. the bloodsucker thing

The last can "clean up" a kill. So they can remove the coroners report

thanks dude,

So who gets the gifts???

fishing. Such blatant fishing

Well I personally am gonna vote Red. Her going after me in the night felt less like her usual hounding and more like intentionally misinterpreting everything I said to try to paint me scummy.

Exact same for me ... Vote Red

Following. Blatant following. if mish flips mafia Niel is next for a good looking at

 

The sun had shifted backwards in it's cycle. The day has been restarted. All votes have been reset. All abilities used during this phase have been reset. You have 72 hours.

Does that mean the kill can be used again?

Also bale fire feels like a bad thing. I once again say I have changed my mind. That could of been a mafia type kill.

Dap 1 s kill I don't think was mafia though. I think that was town

huh, ill be damned, basel flipped town. he was really pinging as scum or 3rd party im pretty sure you have never called him possible third party before, why now?

 

Cant case basel right now. Have to clean the house. But please people. Dont follow Red. Lets not lynch our only claimed Cop because some guy hassled him who might of had an investigative role that he used on him, and who chose the most obvious person to investigate so very likely got messed with Red really? An uncountered cop after you have been at Basels throat for days and you didnt even quote Rand once or bother to wait for him to post

i'm looking at the facts player.

we know Turin was town therefore his case against Rand has more merit. no. He was town but his case doesn't have more merit cos of it. Dap one went after Len and that was wrong

we also know that he was a JOAT's so him havings an investigating role. i can argue that he could of just as easily used his cop power to save Rand and was part of the reason there was no NK that night.

given how hardcore he was going after Rand on D1 and how he didn't back off at all, imo this speaks to him having proof that Rand was lieing about his claim. He never said he was certain and he was more cautios otherwise, why would a townie go that hard after an uncc'd finder? because he wouldn't be as much of a target for a NK, he can try catch Rand in a lie without investigating him, He could be just genuinely suspicious of someone who had been playing a very scummy gamegiven what Darthe has on the OP, the godfatherizer can only target 1 person. per night. One person per night. We have had two nights. He has a bunch of roles, he could of chosen to use another, he also could of been the one the GFer effected if he viewed Rand. You don't know. But you are selling it that you doassuming Turin viewed him, either they framed Rand or they framed Time. you seem very certain he used a viewing on night 1, he could of used something elseif they framed Time then Turins reading on rand woudl have been true and he would have backed off; if they framed Rand, Rand would have not had a scum reading on Time. Earlier you said Rand could be faking as town. If that's true he could of got a guilty on a town Rand. Still Turin didn't out him, he didn't say he was certain. He was just genuinely suspicious so either Rand is a paronoid or insane finder and the scum framed him or hes lieing abotu his roel and was tryign to save his ass and flush out the real finder. you said earlier that a claim wouldn't flush out a finder explain to me why else a confrimed own woudl be goign hardcore after an uncc'd cop, unless they knew that claim was false? as for why he wouldnt reveal the info striaght out, same reason the real cop wouldn't come out and cc him directly imo its better to get them lynched with a case and keep the scum unaware of your role rather than to paint a target on your back and tie up the healer. He seemed ok with leaving rand to lynch later. Why are you so desparate to lynch Rand today. He could be left alive as mafia with no real issues

No m

af viewing. Red that is extremely scummy. I have not been that active this entire game and you choose now to portray it in a bad way? I don't even know what you're thinking. And don't you think that if Turin viewed me he would have shared his result? We don't even know what kind of JOAT he was and whether he got control over his actions, and he may have not wanted to use the cop yet. Extremely scummy. However, Basel's recent post on top of all of his other ones looks like he is just capitalizing on a scummy looking Red, especially after their back and forth. I am almost sure that one of them is scum. I'm going to go with my gut and go with Basel. vote Basel

got control of his actions? please explain what you mean by that. I agree that was an odd thing to say JOAT is told what roles they have and is able to pick one each night to use. generally they get between 3 and 6 one shot roles, look it up on the wiki so on the first day he could if Vig killed Dap one who the thought was mafia and used his phase one action? Yea that could of happened and so he wouldn't of had an action to use at night. You just don't know!.

 

Well I personally am gonna vote Red. Her going after me in the night felt less like her usual hounding and more like intentionally misinterpreting everything I said to try to paint me scummy.

Exact same for me ... Vote Red

theres more of the shadowing that Ithi and player were talking about. i like Rand better because the evidence that hes scum is higher nope I disagree. The evidence he is scum isn't as high as it is for mish, but Dice and Mish are equally good options imo

I agree lets go for Dice or Mish. Mish being the best choice IMO

 

 

Had to break this for DM not to wet itself

[dapianoplay3r]

 

 

I agree lets go for Dice or Mish. Mish being the best choice IMO

 

@ player - given how adament turin was against Rand, if he had a vieiwng power he would have used it on Rand imo. exactly that. It's your opinion, stop presenting it as fact its the only reason i can explain why a townie would continue to push against an uncc'd finder. think harder. You play often and well you know there are reasons other than he must of viewed him now that i know Turin is town and my scumdar is off seeing as Basel flipped town how do you know it's not off about this too? Also this is something that a lot of mafia say in games; i'm giving his push on Rand much more weight. you are giving it a bloody bulldozer what do you think about having Rand reveal who he viewed for info purposes. use questions marks please. If they are dead fine. If they are still living no. It just gives the mafia a list of people to pick off first (normally people they would leave alive because they were acting scummy enough to be investigated) at least if the mafia don't know who they still have more to guess with as to who rand will pick and who they should frame. And if he is mafia his list will tell is nothingit will be interesting to see who he "clears" imo I bet it wouldand like i said, i'd prefer a Rand lynch at this point, but i'm willing to move my vote to either Mish, Dice, RTE or Niel. Mish more so than the others as she capitalized more on D2 than the others @ Niel, i take back what i just posted, it was Dice who Ithi and Player were saying was shadowing Basel. for a recap, here is part 1 of my case on Mish

 

 

you have nothing to hide do you, making stuff up am i? lets examin flip flopping Mish, the scum who capitalized most on this entire fiasco.so you suspected Rands viewing had been messed with from the get go eh? you has some esplanin to do then.Part 1: the lynch.below are all but 4 of your posts from D2 Mish. 3 of the 4 were non-game related spam, the 4th is your last post during day where you claim its common courtesy to allow a perosn to speak before being lynched.

Vote Time

vote out of the gate after Rands claim. hmm, nothign there about the possability that his viewing might be messed with.

r />.

I don't think it's unfair. Regardless of the WWII game, his posts came off hostile and scummy. As a townie he shouldn't have come across so aggressive, even if people were asking redundant things.

Eh, a lot of people here have an aggresive playstyle, wether as townie or mafia. You shouldn't dictate how others play the game, as long as they don't hurt the game.Len created a bunch of hurt to the game IMO. If we hadn't of Lynched him D1 we would of D2 And I think everyone has had at least one emotional blow-out in a mafia game in frustration of not being believed. Apparantly Darthe has given fake-claims, something to be aware of. That said, this has gotta be one of the easiest games to make a fakeclaim, so I don't think we should put too much into character reveals.

really, you FoS Basel for believing the finders claim, while you yourself are voting Time for the same reason. tsk tsk.

you FOSed Basel for his post as well, didn't you also vote Time?

Turin; this is why I said that it looks like perhaps the mafia has mod-provided safe claims.

and here you start planting that Vin is a mod provided false claim to combat the "Darthe provided Times name on the QT"seems more liek your nudging er lynch on rather than suspecting foul play true she does cover for foul play

I agree with you Ithi; I would like as many as possible to check in before she gets hammered. Seeing who keeps quiet now can be very useful, and at the very least I want Time to be able to see this before she's getting hammered! I've been in several games where a cop viewing results in dead mafia, but a "wasted day" in that it's no information gained from discussion and who's voting who when.

Ithi is wanting more peopel to chime in and to slow the lynch down. you agree, infact you want Time to chime in.yet, you dont unvote to prevent quick hammering as Time was at L-2 and you again make no referance of you thinkign the vieing might be skewed. infact you use post the bold which points to you believe she woudl flip scum.

once again agreed

...Ok, so we're not gonna let Time get the chance to get on first then.

and this pinged before. the slowing down the lynch wasn't to get Time to chime in, it was to allow for others to voice their opinions and not to rush a lynch that we had days yet to work on.and still no un vote from you.guess havign Time chime in before being hammered wasn't that important to you eh I'd like to add that to me having others not chime in was less to her more than time not getting a chance? and if you thought Rands viewing was messed with from the get go, i question even more why you didn't unvote at this point. I agree but did she say that? The quotes have Fd up on me a bitnow a brief intermission before i brign youPart 2: the flip after the lynch. how scum try to play both sides of the coin for convience.thats what you did with Rand until Turin died.... which starts on page 58 for those who are waiting on baited breath

heres is part 2

which you stalled to get Rands case going

It was quite clear that Time was the obvious choice for Rand to view last night. Nobody else who had taken enough heat to be a strong rival to be viewed.

really, pretty obvious huh? yet even though its obvious and you wanted to give Time a chance to respond you still didn't unvote. if it was obvious, why not voice this during the day? im sure others voiced that it was obvious Rand would pick her dint they? But yes it's strange that mish didn't mention it

Red, I already said that I think it's common courtesy to let people at least show up to know what's going on before the hammer is thrown. I have a moral code for mafia, you should know this after playing a couple of games with me. And I'm not the Godfatherizer or the Framer if she flips mafia this line freaks me out. Cos she just suggested both are in the game. A mafia would know if this were true or not. Personally I think it's just the GFer ; but when night started last night I felt sure that Rand would view Time. It was the logic choice, and I'd like to see you argue otherwise. After Len's flip and their neighbour claim, of course the cop would view her.

see the bold. you "knew" Rand would view her. and we all knew there was a framing style roll in this game. yet you pushed on the Time wagon, even trying to plant that herrole claim that Len pointed out was a mod given fake claim. now you change your tune to "oh well ofcourse Rands veiwing was messed with" you're tryignt o distance yourself from the Time lynch and your part in it to capitalize on both sides of the coin imo. you are the scummiest person on Times lynch imo

you seem to think you know Rand was viewed by Turin, could we not argue the same but of you? Turin could of been messed with, especially if there are two framer type roles (if there are there is no GF IMO)

Ill get to the mish case later. done. I think it's good and we should lynch herI agree with most of it but i want to go line by line

rand do not reveal. Keep those names to yourself for now please

Red you are being very single minded about this whole Rand thing

keep him alive for now. There is no need to kill him and you whole turin thing is an assumption

and asdimptions make an ass out you and me. So lets put it on the back burner

On my phone its hard to get to the maffia wiki and stuff so i cant look em up

Reason it was hard for me to go back and check things as they appear relevant. So I was doing it from memory

i am finding rand a bit weird. look who jumped in! so he calls Rand odd, which suggests he is doubtingYes I think his view on Time got messed with. so he thinks he is town and telling the truth. Playing both sides as Red calls it What i find weird is that he is claiming cop but FORGOT to put his view in. Skimming! Thats a little odd. But RL does get like that i guess. At the end of the day even if he is weird he is an uncc'd cop. Red pushing for him to be lynched pings.

i want to go look at mish a bit before i decide on a vote

did he look, or comment, or decide?

ping on Dice for skimming. Rand didn't say that, he said he didn't "view" scum last night.

agreed!

Player, i actually want rand to list who he viewed. bet you if he did, it would be one of the townies who is dead now.

possible, but if it isn't you've just cost us dearly

 

BG, the way turin was goin after rand was like a cop trying to get a false claim lynched imo. in this sentence you call Turin the cop. He wasn't the cop. He had a one shot investigate that we don't know if he used or not. Plus I don't think he was like he was trying to get a false claim lynched, he was far too relaxed for that i'm 100% sure by his actions that turin used a viewing on Rand and found out he was either scum or was fake claiming. how can you be 100% sure? You can't

 

unless you have a better idea and want to come out from lurkerdom, i say this is our best lynch for today.how about the rest of you list, unclaimed and scummy people not cops?

no player it isn't to distract you from me, and i'm still waiting on your thoughts about Mish.

there they are. I'm happy to lynch her

tbh, i dont think you have anythign on me, well there is the Rand stuff, Ill go back and get the rest later. Tomorrow some time most of your points about me were "red and basel are pullign a gambit", it looks worse for you now that he was townother than that, you had 0 points on me but a load on basel. yea Basel was more scummy than you but i have points on you that ill get to later, I've got staff duties to do tonight so I don't have time. Lets just go with Mish for nowwhcih is why you were voting him over me today.

 

and Basel was obviusly a vig kill, just as you were a vig kill on D1. like I said earlier bi phrasal doc. That to me would be a waste if she was protected against town Vigs. Town roles cancelling out town roles seems like a disadvantage to the town. More likely mafia have a day kill or a biphasal type kill seeing as they held back on D2, they're likely limited to killing certain cycles. or have limited shotsas for why, they probably agreed basel was scum and wanted to get 2 scum today rather than just lynch him. hmm maybe, but I just mentioned the Vig vote and people were starting to talk about it interesting how your tryign to paint it as a scum kill. are you really saying the mod gave the scum a NK and a day kill ability??

yes I think there is the chance mafia can kill during the day. It wouldn't make sense for the doc to be able to protect during the day otherwise

i also dislike how against you are lynching someone who is most certaintly scum. he isn't almost certainly scumuncontested counts for nothin agaisnt him, it means we risk losing the actual cop i stated earlier any finder worth their grit wouldnt cc a false claim. finder is different to cop IMO, a finder is a tracker. Strange you use that word instead of copscum false claim to draw out the power role, they also frame people to discredit the real cop and try to get the real cop lynched why walk into their hands? because we don't lose anything leaving Rand alive for another day. We might actually gain stuff i've already pointed out my thoughts on this, so i wont repeat them.

 

 

lynch another person, i've stated i'm good with Mish, RTE, Dice and Niel. let's do thatBG to a lesser extent because hes pinging me as 3rd party from meta .you said Basel was third party too. You seem pretty set on a third party in this game nothign solid on him, but the last 2 times i've seen him play as SK he lurked this bad. this would explain the bi phase doc and the intense amount of deaths last nightnot enough to lynch him on imo, but worth taking note of.

 

and Player you act like i'm only focusing on Rand. i posted a nice case on Mish and why she woudl make a good lynch as well. you did, but you put it on hold for Rand

[dapianoplay3r]

 

Oh and sorry guys, forgot to turn in my NA, that last one was me.

Wanna try again Red?? Nows whos skimming?

 

Vote Red

But he did it, before the deadline and he was busy so away from DM

 

  

I also think that was a vig kill, Basel seemed pretty scummy before that kill.

Also, Red, some JOATS do not get control of their actions and their mod gives them an action each night. I'm a little surprised, you should be experienced enough to know that. That means that Turin may have not even gotten a chance to view me at all. And as I said before, if Turin was pushing so hard because of a result, why wouldnt he reveal? Your case on me is really weak, but that being said, no mafia would stretch their neck out this much, so I do think you are town. Also, in the next two days I will be jind of inactive due to tournament/my birthday/Superbowl.

I've been a JOAT like role before when I've had this happen, I forgot about that happening. So this is possible.

[Leyrann]

Damn lost my 5 quotes that I aquired over 10 pages of rereading... I'm not spending another hour to find them back, I'll do without quotes.

 

In general, the post where Red voted Rand and Daps post above make me pretty sure Red is just a mafia trying to lynch a cop.

 

vote Red

[Leyrann]

Dap ninja'd me once.

[Leyrann]

Nvm twice, lol.

[dapianoplay3r]

Lol I'm a ninja

 

I don't want to vote Red yet. I'd rather Mish

But I will

I think she is mafia, just not as much as Mish

[dapianoplay3r]

@Basel, thats a propper wot

And Red thats how you post a wall of quotes

 

[dicetosser1]

Dap thank you for pointing that out for me. I had read Rands "that last one was me" as that is ON me   not sure why but i did. My misreading it is why I had a problem with him. It made it seem convienent that he "forgot". But I was wrong and therefore withdraw my view that rands weird.

[Leyrann]

Lol I'm a ninja

 

I don't want to vote Red yet. I'd rather Mish

But I will

I think she is mafia, just not as much as Mish

 

Red was by far the person you called out most in those three posts above. So why do you want to vote Mish? I do have to say Mish was a good second though...

[michellem]

The situation Red is trying to paint with Turin and his JOAT, is exactly the same as happened in the Blood-lust game. Someone was soooo sure someone had used a viewing on someone, and that was why they were going after that person. They hadn't.

 

 

Red, I'm gonna write this one more time for you:

 

During Day2, I didn't question Rand's viewing at all. I woke up, after four hours of sleep and with alot of pain (and I find it interesting that you, who always demand that others should respect your RL reasons for posting badly or being abscent, completly ignored this last time I said it), and saw Rand had viewed Time and found mafia. My first thought was "yeah, that's who I would have viewed too". And I voted. I didn't doubt tht she was scum. I wanted Time the chance to get on before she got hammered, it's common courtesy. And if you've played with me a few times, you might remember that I have strong opinions about mafia morale code. I didn't unvote at the end because, I had had four hours of sleep, and I was in such pain that I couldn't walk, and my head was abit fuzzy. Then Time flipped town. And hindsight kicked in. It was just too bloody obvious.

 

Can Rand be mafia? Of course he can. But I think it's alot more likely that his viewing got messed with. It's all pure logic. At the end of D1, we had lynched one Neighbour who was town. Since neighoburs are known for being one town, one mafia, Time would be the logical viewing for Rand to do. How can you argue against that?

 

You are twisting my words and trying to make it seem like I did things I didn't and said things I didn't. Classic mafia behaviour. And btw, "pre-emptive OMGUS-vote" is the silliest thing I've hever heard of. Makes it so easy to discredit those seeing through you.

 

I don't care if I get lynched today. I'm no-one important; but I am town, and if I get lynched, you're going down after me. Seriously, you are so off your game, it's so transparent what you're doing.

 

Vote Red

[dapianoplay3r]

 

Lol I'm a ninja

 

I don't want to vote Red yet. I'd rather Mish

But I will

I think she is mafia, just not as much as Mish

 

Red was by far the person you called out most in those three posts above. So why do you want to vote Mish? I do have to say Mish was a good second though...

its 2 am i need to sleep but Red was going off at Rand so I needed to try stop that. I wont see him lynched while he is our uncountered cop

tomorrow im going to go through and case mish but Red has made a good case already

 

Mish im too tired to read your post so ill get to it in the morning

Night

[bgrishinko]

What I find interesting is Red is is spreading herself thin. If she's gonna meta me, I'll meta her right back.

 

Red tends to bulldog and lock onto certain people she wants to lynch, but I feel like she's going after all sorts of people in this game without a clear target. Sure, she's got Rand as a target, but she's pushing in all sorts of other directions too.

 

I don't see a case worth voting Mish for.

 

Vote Red

[bgrishinko]

 

 

Oh and sorry guys, forgot to turn in my NA, that last one was me.

Wanna try again Red?? Nows whos skimming?

 

Vote Red

*headdesk*

[Hallia]

Rand is fake claiming and this gives you a town read on rand cause mafia wouldn't do this.? I'm confused.

 

 

i just explained why not lynchign Rand will benifit us. if he does flip scum, we can examine his interactions and non-interactions, how he acts and who he views to give us info.

 

 

to me, i fall in the "leave him alive" category.  in which case we then have to figure out how to use the WIFOM created by this situation created by whatever happened N1 to our benefit.  the best way to do this, is to have him reveal his findings each day and go from there, and if he does come back with scum to not repeat what happened D2.

 

just got home from class and goign out to eat with bubba.  i'll be doing drunk Mafia tonight and bringing you that promised part 2 to my case on Mish.   i'll likely not be on much tomorrow and at all over the weekand, my first exam is on tuesday.

 

just getting on.  sorry dinner ran long last night and i crashed when i got home.  didn't even drink *sigh*

 

 

Well I personally am gonna vote Red. Her going after me in the night felt less like her usual hounding and more like intentionally misinterpreting everything I said to try to paint me scummy.

 

I kind of agree with this. If I remember correctly she didn't even vote that day, though she had been on...

 

ping on Song for twisting and planting falsehoods.   i work a flip schedule on Mon and Weds and dont get into work until 10:30.  i wans't able to get on the internet until around 1ish on Wed cause of work, which will likely be the same this monday seeing as we got 5 jobs in yesturday for me to upload.

 

also, interesting Rand has now gone awol seeing as his main pusher has flipped town.  Turin was a JOATs, dont they normally have an investigating power?  Turin wouldnt have kept pushing unless he was sure Rand was lieing and he acted like he was sure Rand was lieing.  given this new info, i'm putting Mish on hold for now

 

VOTE: RAND

 

huh, ill be damned, basel flipped town.  he was really pinging as scum or 3rd party

 

Cant case basel right now. Have to clean the house.

 

But please people. Dont follow Red. Lets not lynch our only claimed Cop because some guy hassled him who might of had an investigative role that he used on him, and who chose the most obvious person to investigate so very likely got messed with

 

Red really? An uncountered cop after you have been at Basels throat for days and you didnt even quote Rand once or bother to wait for him to post

 

i'm looking at the facts player.  we know Turin was town therefore his case against Rand has more merit.  we also know that he was a JOAT's so him havings an investigating role.  given how hardcore he was going after Rand on D1 and how he didn't back off at all, imo this speaks to him having proof that Rand was lieing about his claim.  otherwise, why would a townie go that hard after an uncc'd finder?  

 

so either Rand is a paronoid or insane finder and the scum framed him or hes lieing abotu his roel and was tryign to save his ass and flush out the real finder.

 

 

explain to me why else a confrimed own woudl be goign hardcore after an uncc'd cop, unless they knew that claim was false?  as for why he wouldnt reveal the info striaght out, same reason the real cop wouldn't come out and cc him directly imo  its better to get them lynched with a case and keep the scum unaware of your role rather than to paint a target on your back and tie up the healer.

 

~~~~I think I butchered the quote thing, I was trying to shorten it to the pertinent information like someone mentioned early game.  It does seem strange how Red goes from wanting to not lynch Rand to wanting to lynch him.  And how Mish mentioned her not taking her irl reasons, but using ones of her own.~~~~

 

The situation Red is trying to paint with Turin and his JOAT, is exactly the same as happened in the Blood-lust game. Someone was soooo sure someone had used a viewing on someone, and that was why they were going after that person. They hadn't.

 

 

Red, I'm gonna write this one more time for you:

 

During Day2, I didn't question Rand's viewing at all. I woke up, after four hours of sleep and with alot of pain (and I find it interesting that you, who always demand that others should respect your RL reasons for posting badly or being abscent, completly ignored this last time I said it), and saw Rand had viewed Time and found mafia. My first thought was "yeah, that's who I would have viewed too". And I voted. I didn't doubt tht she was scum. I wanted Time the chance to get on before she got hammered, it's common courtesy. And if you've played with me a few times, you might remember that I have strong opinions about mafia morale code. I didn't unvote at the end because, I had had four hours of sleep, and I was in such pain that I couldn't walk, and my head was abit fuzzy. Then Time flipped town. And hindsight kicked in. It was just too bloody obvious.

 

Can Rand be mafia? Of course he can. But I think it's alot more likely that his viewing got messed with. It's all pure logic. At the end of D1, we had lynched one Neighbour who was town. Since neighoburs are known for being one town, one mafia, Time would be the logical viewing for Rand to do. How can you argue against that?

 

You are twisting my words and trying to make it seem like I did things I didn't and said things I didn't. Classic mafia behaviour. And btw, "pre-emptive OMGUS-vote" is the silliest thing I've hever heard of. Makes it so easy to discredit those seeing through you.

 

I don't care if I get lynched today. I'm no-one important; but I am town, and if I get lynched, you're going down after me. Seriously, you are so off your game, it's so transparent what you're doing.

 

Vote Red

 

I recall you mentioning this a couple of times earlier, it does seem like she overlooked it.

 

What I find interesting is Red is is spreading herself thin. If she's gonna meta me, I'll meta her right back.

 

Red tends to bulldog and lock onto certain people she wants to lynch, but I feel like she's going after all sorts of people in this game without a clear target. Sure, she's got Rand as a target, but she's pushing in all sorts of other directions too.

 

I don't see a case worth voting Mish for.

 

Vote Red

 

I agree.  

 

Vote Red

[lolguy26]

hallia are you with voting rand or red??

[michellem]

bit of advice Hallia; when quoting people that has votes in their posts, try to remove the color from the votes so that it doesn't get so confusing for the mod :) Especially now that the quoting is still messed up.

[Hallia]

I am so so sorry! I changed the other people's to black.

[Leyrann]

Darthe, can you plz post a VC?

[Kaylee]

Player-Makes the point that Red starts out saying we should leave Rand alone unless he gets a scum viewing (though he should give his viewings each night), and now she’s saying he’s “most certainly scum” post here. (post 1401). 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol I'm a ninja

I don't want to vote Red yet. I'd rather Mish
But I will
I think she is mafia, just not as much as Mish

 

Red was by far the person you called out most in those three posts above. So why do you want to vote Mish? I do have to say Mish was a good second though...

its 2 am i need to sleep but Red was going off at Rand so I needed to try stop that. I wont see him lynched while he is our uncountered cop

tomorrow im going to go through and case mish but Red has made a good case already

 

Mish im too tired to read your post so ill get to it in the morning

Night

Player you didn't really answer the question here.