Danger in Demons Cove GAME OVER Villains win

[Katiora]

I'd like to pose a question to everyone. 

 

 

Vig:

Cop:

Doc:

 

 

 

 

Vig: Tal

Cop: Marsh

Doc: Nyn

[Talmanes]

Well I'm not sure the point of this but 3 of you picked me as a PR so I hope that means you aren't planning on lynching me lol

[Nynaeve]

Well I'm not sure the point of this but 3 of you picked me as a PR so I hope that means you aren't planning on lynching me lol

 

I don't really get what you don't understand. It is a way to display stances. Fairly standard.

[Turin Turambar]

Tal, the list is a question. If I was vig I would shoot iron. If cop, investigate you. If doc protect hallia.

[Nynaeve]

Clov, thoughts?

[Talmanes]

I completely misunderstood the point... I thought it was guessing who was a PR which didn't make any sense. I'm getting busier at work so wasn't paying as close attention.

 

In that case:

Vig - Sooh

Cop - Iron

Doc - Myself (would have been Alanna N1)

[Ironeyes]

Probably

Vig: holster tonight

Cop: Clov

Doc: Nyn

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's what I meant....dammit....I totally fudged up.....sorry....I screwed up in my first post and just kept it screwed up in my second.

So why didn't you say that the entire time that we were pointing out that it had nothing to do Iron?  I know I pointed it out at least a day ago, maybe more.  Pretty sure somebody else did before Sooh's post.  

 

*snipped*

 

because I didn't realize that, that is what you were referring to.  I thought you were saying that it didn't point to the fact that she had any knowledge of the fact that the people voting were townies.  That's why I did the That and Those thing.  I had no idea that you were talking about it not being ironeyes and being nyn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1.What changed, you said basically that my posts didn't sing to you and that you got nothing.  You now say my posts didn't push anyone - How do you think Nini feels about that.

 

 

 

 

And why do you think there are four mafia?

@CLOV: You are one of the ones that doesn't like to read my posts iirc.  I posted it in the post where I listed all the mafia teams: READ IT. Its the very first line.

 

 

As for the other two questions: they will have to wait till tomorrow...it's bedtime now. sorry.

You don't remember correctly.  

 

And no, you didn't post it where you listed all the mafia teams.  None of that explains why you think that.  You said this:

 

 

 

 

 

So if you take 4 and divide by 13 you get 0.30769230769.  and if you take 3 and divide by 10 you get 0.30.  So what I am trying to say is that I believe that there is a 4 person mafia team not a 3 person one.  That being said I believe the following to be possible mafia teams:

2.Is 30.769% the magic number for mafia?  Where did 3 and 10 come from?

1. I just re-ISO'd you for like the fifth time , and this time I read through it very slow...so yes you did push niniel mostly with a little bit of talmanes and me thrown in.   so my bad.

 

2. My reasoning is this. In a 10 Player game I was in recently there were 3 mafia.  That comes out to 30% of the players being mafia.  Here we have 13 Players so if we use that scenario then we have a 23% of players being mafia, which is not fair to mafia.  However, if we add 1 more mafia player to make 4 out of 13 we get the 0.30769230769 %. Which is as close to 30% as you can get without actually cutting someone in half. Now whether or not bfg chooses to use the

extra player as 

an indy or as another mafia is irregardless as it is still another person that the town has to lynch. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So I finally found that sample PM, that changes things a bit.

I still am leaning Townie and Niniel as her thoughts of "well Nyn posted about a pencil and pad and that was in my PM as a Townie so she's probably Town" (paraphrase) mirrored my exact thoughts so seem genuine.

@Sooh - I'm not really sure on you. You have been posting reads which I like but I'm wary of you. More of a gut feeling than anything else.

could that be a hint to them communicating in a mafia qt? or just a weird choice of words!

 

 

 

I really feel like Ironeyes hasn't been around enough or done enough to merit a vote for that matter either. I feel like he is being voted simply for not being around (seems to be the only real reason anyone is looking at me too) and I don't think that is really a viable route.

I can agree with this to an extent.  I know we have to keep time zones into account when figuring out activity levels, also whether people have jobs and family, etc. However, why join a game if your not going to play and YES THIS GOES FOR ME TOO.  I felt really bad not being able to concentrate totally on BOTH games.  However, as I stated before I didn't think people would read my "work" so I really didn't bother too much like I did in my first few games. 

 

 

 

@Clov - I don't have votes but wasn't exactly regarded highly on the Town list either. Your reasoning makes sense though.

@Alanna - I know you just kind of voted me, I wants referring only to you. Just noticed I was high on some lists and wondered at the reasoning. Wouldn't call that defensive, more curious. I don't mind people suspecting me, I just like to know why.

@Ironeyes - Your post seems to just beat some dead horses. Really not seeing much being added.

could be distancing himself from Ironeyes? or just an honest read!

 

 

 

I went back and reread the Pral part you quoted Nyn and agree that seems pretty off to me as well. He made a big stink but then just jumped on. Seemed odd. I wouldn't mind a Pral lynch and would be willing to consolidate depending on what it looks like closer to deadline.

I still don't really see why Hally is a target and still feel WiFi is a good place to start D1.

Ironeyes did finally show up and didn't offer a whole lot. Considering he was not the only one (myself included) gone for the weekend I'd rather hear a bit more before voting that way. If I'm seeing the same sort of reads on D2 that'll be a different story

back to Ironeyes...admits he didn't offer alot but willing to wait another day.  Not willing to bus a partner? or having a conscience and not willing to vote someone over attendance!

 

 

@Nyn - That's a good point. He could feel that Pral is a safer vote, or he could just actually be suspicious. That's why I'm not rushing to lynch him at this point. He's been around so little I feel like it would be a rush to judgement.

again distancing? or compassion!  However if its compassion, what about compassion for pral.  He was on less than Ironeyes.

 

 

 

 

I'm disappointed that Pral didn't turn out to be scum but I think the reasons to vote him were solid especially for D1.

@Nini - Your point against Pral made me reread and agree. Him staying away when the heat kicked in didn't help. I still am not feeling good about WiFi and would have preferred to vote there but felt there was enough reason to vote Pral as well.

I'm really not sold on Ironeyes. I've been on the fence with him because he has seemed to just be floating along not offering anything new. I don't think he's the best place to vote right now and would rather see what he contributes in D2. He did openly admit he hadn't had much time and so knew he wasn't contributing much. I'm willing to give him some time.

WiFi is still my top target right now. She's been wishy washy and has still yet to explain any of her reads. She had conviction in the game I played with her and I'm not seeing that here. I feel like she is trying to stay off the radar this game. Plus she said she isn't in her other game anymore so there goes that excuse.

I'd like to hear what everyone else has to say before voting, but WiFi has stayed steadily on my radar.

connecting with niniel and ironeyes? could be partners?

 

 

 

So I somehow missed an entire page and double posted...

@Nyn - I did like Pral's initial reads. It was something different. I happened to think you made a very good point though and after rereading thought Pral looked bad. I was at work all day which is why I was posting sporadically and more so on my lunch and breaks. I still would have gone WiFi over Pral, but 2 hours to deadline and a tie vote seemed plenty good reason to break the tie.

On Dice it pinged me that as close to deadline as we were he posted he was checking out (I didn't realize going to worn meant he would continue to post) which seemed suspicious.

At risk of sounding like I'm defending Ironeyes (which I guess I am) I really didn't and still don't think voting someone for inactivity was or is the best call. His performance thus far has been lackluster but he also hadn't been around much. When there is something to go on (WiFi and then later Pral) I would much rather go that route any day.

On the point about Clov I think Pral's point was valid even though I ended up voting him. A lot of scum will still work at solving to look innocent. Plus I don't know Clov but there have been a lot of comments to make me weary of him.

here he is defending Ironeyes, again? Pral didn't post that much either.  Pushing clovr? a teammate? maybe? maybe not?

 

 

 

@Clov - I said that if he kept up just following along and seeming to not really offer anything original that would be something I wouldn't tolerate starting on D2. It's D2 now so we'll see. He isn't off my radar by any means, but he's not my first pick to lynch either.

It's been D2 for a while now and he hasn't posted yet....unless he has in the last couple of hours that I've been doing this?

 

 

 

@Ironeyes - Now would be your one and only chance to convince everyone not to lynch you. I seem to be one of the few that are even hesitant.

Okay: Ironeyes are you here???

 

3.Before you said that you felt Ironeyes would be town if not for that "give up" post.  Here you quoted several things that and possibly link him to Talmanes. 4. Do you no longer feel that he's probably town, or what?  

 

5.On that note, what is your stance on Talmanes?  Basically everything you quoted here you go both ways on, like you're afraid to say what it is you think - or even if you actually THINK anything. 

 

The one 'point' you bring up that actually seems like a legitimate attempt at a read is trying to figure out how motivation for giving Iron the benefit of the doubt while not giving the same to Pral.  I think Tal has already addressed why he voted Pral, but I think that's at least a plus for you.

3. Actually the above posts were to link Talmanes to Ironeyes IF Ironeyes were to be scum, which seemed to be the consensus atp.  Sooh asked me what I thought of Talmanes and upon ISO'ing Talmanes I also ISO'd Ironeyes and Pralaya. Which gave me the three long posts, which took up most of last night.  I did not have enough time to tie them together though.  Hopefully will have enough time after this post, if I can remember where I was going with it.  

 

4. Will answer after this post if there is enough time.  Might have to wait till D3 if not or my vote will be my answer.

 

 

 

 

 

Honestly I don't think she is where she needs to be to go for a derpclear. If she is, all the more power to her, because she has me completely fooled. 

 

 

Going to say that I believe that Wildfire is definitely town here.

 

Wildfire doesn't do that kind of analysis with those conclusions as scum I don't think. 

Can you convince me?  Because the whole numbers thing seems like it's either TMI as mafia, or a really bad assumption by town based off of ??? reasons I'll probably never understand...but I'd like something more than she wouldn't spew her team like that and can't possibly be trying to fake the derpclear.

 

 

The whole numbers thing fits into a number of speculations that Wifi has made as a townie before, based on ???, which probably makes a TON of sense to her, and not so much to you or me. 

 

Her having played Nolder's game and seen that in a game of 10 there were 3 mafia, and that means 30%-ish of the game should be scum. Here we are 13 players, so the number of scums must be 4, because that's more like 30% than 3 scums in 13 which is less than 25%, so that can't be right is her reasoning. 

 

It's as townie as you can get IMO.

Yes, the red.  and 5. answering in another post as well...this one getting long.

[Hallia]

I don't understand that post

[dicetosser1]

 

no

 

but here

 

im never lynching nyn or sooh

 

think halli is town

 

no idea on Talmanes or Kat 

 

need more from tina

 

not sure on wifi but she is different this game and i am wondering if this is scum wifi

 

ironeyes has been sucky but hes been sooo sucky im a bit waffly on him  hes on the scum lean side tho

 

think clov is scum. 

 

Oh sure.  Forget me

 

I see how you are.  I'm forgettable.  *dramatic sniffle*

 

 

 

I'd like to pose a question to everyone. 

 

 

Vig:

Cop:

Doc:

 

 

Who are your choices?

 

Vig: Wifi

Cop: Turin

Doc: Nyn

 

vig clov

 

cop turin

 

doc nyn

[Wildfire Sedai]

I was answering questions that were put to me....it took me literally 2 hours and the formatting got shot to all hell. I tried to fix it best as I could but..eh.. The numbered answers go to the numbered questions...I have to do 4 and 5 before deadline....I just did a catch up:

 

vig: clovr

cop: Ironeyes

doc: sooh

[Songstress]

Had a few extra minutes during my lunch and the data network appears to be cooperating, for now...

 

In response to Hally's question:

 

Vig - Marsh

Cop - Clov (most likely to fool me) or WiFi

Doc - Nyn, always

[dicetosser1]

and no i quoted tress and forgot to answer her

 

 

 

headdesk

 

 

 

have liked whats shes said so far but honestly there hasnt been enuff.

[Songstress]

See, forgettable

 

Sadly, I haven't really tried to play a game (well, except for that Darthe horror show) since last fall, when my schedule changed at work, then my regular daily routine changed this year to be less of a couch potato and try to be a more responsible adult and keep my house clean.

 

I may just not be able to be active enough for anyone's taste anymore. Maybe I'm the new Pral.

[BFG]

DAY 2 VoteCount

 

Ironeyes (3): Nyn, Tress, Hallia

 

Talmanes (2): Sooh, Ironeyes

 

Dice (2): Clov, Turin

 

Sooh (1): Talmanes

 

Not voting (3): Dice, Katiora, WiFi

 

No change :)

[Katiora]

I gotta go with my gut. No one else has really stood out to me at all. I'm not sold on Ironeyes. I don't like his semi-ate but I've never played with him so I don't know. 

 

I gotta [v]Talmanes[/v] I should be around until deadline off and on as work allows though so ya'll might could change my mind if anyone can give a good reason to move. 

[Talmanes]

2 hours left guys. Is everyone locked in or has anyone changed their minds?

[Talmanes]

@Kat - I'm Town, I think that's a pretty good reason to not lynch me.

[BFG]

DAY 2 VoteCount

 

Ironeyes (3): Nyn, Tress, Hallia

 

Talmanes (3): Sooh, Ironeyes, Kat

 

Dice (2): Clov, Turin

 

Sooh (1): Talmanes

 

Not voting (2): Dice, WiFi

 

[Katiora]

@Kat - I'm Town, I think that's a pretty good reason to not lynch me.

But why should I think that? Nothing you have done recently has made me feel any better about your stance on Marsh. Either you're trying to protect him, OR (more likely) you know something we don't. But you seemed to know it yesterday so the only thing that makes sense to me is you being mafia. 

[Nynaeve]

I gotta go with my gut. No one else has really stood out to me at all. I'm not sold on Ironeyes. I don't like his semi-ate but I've never played with him so I don't know. 

 

I gotta [v]Talmanes[/v] I should be around until deadline off and on as work allows though so ya'll might could change my mind if anyone can give a good reason to move. 

 

Honestly? I'm kinda surprised Tal is going Sooh when he's a viable lynch option today. Going Ironeyes or dice would have made more sense. At the same time, Ironeyes had no problem going Pral to save his neck. Now he's going Talamnes to save his neck. He even admitted that he gave a read on you, I think... just cause he was self preservation mode. He seems more concerned in saving himself than finding scum.  He said at EoD1 that if he survives to D2 he's gonna do a no rush analysis. Then started off D2 basically saying we might as well lynch him. He eventually gave this analysis of Pral's train... but I found it very weak overall and half assed. I did not agree with most of his notes.

 

There are obviously things I don't like about Tal as well, specifically his stance irt Ironeyes. But he's been so blatant at his defense of Ironeyes that I'm starting to seriously doubt if they could really be w/w like I thought. Either way, I rather start with Ironeyes.

[Nynaeve]

meh i dunno.

[Katiora]

meh i dunno.

the whole thing is IF talmanes is town I don't see why his defense of Marsh. I mean.. I just don't see it. No one else sees it, and he really can't tell us a reason WHY

[Talmanes]

I was trying to avoid painting a target on mine or his back, but I am Town.

 

Last Night I won a Cop view. I was suspicious of Ironeyes and knew he would be a likely lynch target D2 so I viewed him. He is Town.

 

I was trying to lead everyone away from him without being too obvious or having to hard claim but it's evident that did not work considering we are the lead wagons.

 

There you go, you have the whole story. Please don't lynch me, and please don't lynch him. We're both Town.

[Talmanes]

I really thought I made that pretty evident without outright saying it. I was pretty sure Hallia figured it out and that was why she wanted everyone posting who they would target (once I realized what she meant).