[Spoilers]Game of Thrones Season Three

[AesSedaiGuy]

 

hence, majority of the stuff she does is tom foolery.  look ar the doppleganger she produced.  it was made of shadow.  given the fears that religion has about shadows and darkness, why woudl she birth a creature made of shadow to do work in the name of her God, when shadow is her Gods nemisis.

 

 

I think it's the darker side of her magic, but as she said, there can be no shadows without light, thus shadows are a tool of light.

 

As an aside about her character, some people think she's undead herself (kind of like Beric) and is maintaining a youthful appearance in a glamour.

 

And completely separate, I just had the most terrible thought that Tyrion won't kill Shae in the show and she'll go across the Narrow Sea with him and function as a version of Penny (fulfilling the same role as helping Tyrion heal). It would make sense from a TV perspective, but I'd still hate it.

Good guess, and I personally wouldn't "hate" it. I do HATE Penny in the books and I HATE GRRM has forced Tyrion to debase himself in her act and mindset. Penny and Sansa are cut from the same simple, nebulous, unrealistic-idealistic cloth. I hate both of them.

[Red2111]

 

hence, majority of the stuff she does is tom foolery.  look ar the doppleganger she produced.  it was made of shadow.  given the fears that religion has about shadows and darkness, why woudl she birth a creature made of shadow to do work in the name of her God, when shadow is her Gods nemisis.

 

I think it's the darker side of her magic, but as she said, there can be no shadows without light, thus shadows are a tool of light.

 

As an aside about her character, some people think she's undead herself (kind of like Beric) and is maintaining a youthful appearance in a glamour.

 

And completely separate, I just had the most terrible thought that Tyrion won't kill Shae in the show and she'll go across the Narrow Sea with him and function as a version of Penny (fulfilling the same role as helping Tyrion heal). It would make sense from a TV perspective, but I'd still hate it.

 

 

 

i dunno about her youthful apperance.  Martin does kinda remark on it alot, so chances are it is soemthing worth paying attention to.   perhaps she steals the energy of others to keep herself youthful?  theres a story abotu a witch that does that ...  anyways ....

 

i'm more comparing her to the other examples of people we have that believe in that religion and use its Magic.  Out of everyone we've seen, she's the only one that seems open to using the forces of shadow to get her stuff done.  perhaps she is just a corrupted version of the religion ...  like an Umbridge type.   but the added seen between her and Arya makes me believe my theory more, that theres more to her than appears and her being a preistest for the god of light is an act.

 

theres just somethign about her character thats never sat right with me, soemthign about her makes my skin crawl; the same way that it does with Davos and for the same reasons that he doesn't trust her.  i can't put my finger on it, my gut just tells me she's bad juju.

 

 

as for your terible though.  i really hope not

[Lilbaz]

They have to kill Shae, it's another omg moment. Any way on a brighter note.

 

[Red2111]

cussing galore on that. but oh my lanta, its what i feel like saying in a lot of convos abotu this show *laughs*

[Agitel]

They have to kill Shae, it's another omg moment. Any way on a brighter note.

 

 

xfd

 

This one has probably been passed around before.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7lp3RhzfgI

 

EDIT: I can't get this embedding thing down, so screw it.

[Agitel]

 

 

hence, majority of the stuff she does is tom foolery.  look ar the doppleganger she produced.  it was made of shadow.  given the fears that religion has about shadows and darkness, why woudl she birth a creature made of shadow to do work in the name of her God, when shadow is her Gods nemisis.

 

I think it's the darker side of her magic, but as she said, there can be no shadows without light, thus shadows are a tool of light.

 

As an aside about her character, some people think she's undead herself (kind of like Beric) and is maintaining a youthful appearance in a glamour.

 

And completely separate, I just had the most terrible thought that Tyrion won't kill Shae in the show and she'll go across the Narrow Sea with him and function as a version of Penny (fulfilling the same role as helping Tyrion heal). It would make sense from a TV perspective, but I'd still hate it.

Good guess, and I personally wouldn't "hate" it. I do HATE Penny in the books and I HATE GRRM has forced Tyrion to debase himself in her act and mindset. Penny and Sansa are cut from the same simple, nebulous, unrealistic-idealistic cloth. I hate both of them.

 

 

Penny's not my favorite character, but I don't get the hate for her. I've heard some people claim she's going to be a romantic interest for Tyrion, but what happened after she kissed him assured me Martin wouldn't go that route. I don't know, Tyrion was always cynical and bitter about his stature and treatment. How his arc ended after Storm of Swords should pretty much have destroyed him. I think caring (in an older sibling type of capacity) for Penny and being exposed to a completely different world and approach to being a little person is really the only way I can see Tyrion climbing out of the pit he's in and going forward. At least, the only way forward that doesn't involve him going "full evil". Tyrion debase himself? In a way, it's more like letting go of his inhibitions, pride, and what he was. It's the arc a lot of the characters are going through. Arya, Dany, and even Theon, in a way.

[Red2111]

^ what Agitel said.

 

 

for me, Penny is a realist whose accepted her lot in life and chooses to be niave in order to remain happy with her crappy lot in life.  without her, Tyrion cannot grow as a character.  i dont see her as a love interest for Tyrion, like Agitel said that avenue was pretty much closed as Tyrion sees her more as a little sister rather than potential mate.

 

i think, unlike Sansa, Penny chooses to stay niave because its safer; its a means of protecting herself in the only way she can.  Sansa OTOH, that twit refuses to grow up.

[TylerRVG]

So they leaked a picture of THA KING IN THE NORF.

 

 

 

 

 

 

As well as some other screenshots and stuff here:

http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/got/gallery9/gallery.htm

 

What do you all think?

[Tsukibana]

Appropriately twisted and bad-ass. *doffs cap*

[Lilbaz]

Looks like a mascot at a football game. Go wolves!

[AesSedaiGuy]

 

 

hence, majority of the stuff she does is tom foolery. look ar the doppleganger she produced. it was made of shadow. given the fears that religion has about shadows and darkness, why woudl she birth a creature made of shadow to do work in the name of her God, when shadow is her Gods nemisis.

 

I think it's the darker side of her magic, but as she said, there can be no shadows without light, thus shadows are a tool of light.

 

As an aside about her character, some people think she's undead herself (kind of like Beric) and is maintaining a youthful appearance in a glamour.

 

And completely separate, I just had the most terrible thought that Tyrion won't kill Shae in the show and she'll go across the Narrow Sea with him and function as a version of Penny (fulfilling the same role as helping Tyrion heal). It would make sense from a TV perspective, but I'd still hate it.

 

i dunno about her youthful apperance. Martin does kinda remark on it alot, so chances are it is soemthing worth paying attention to. perhaps she steals the energy of others to keep herself youthful? theres a story abotu a witch that does that ... anyways ....

 

i'm more comparing her to the other examples of people we have that believe in that religion and use its Magic. Out of everyone we've seen, she's the only one that seems open to using the forces of shadow to get her stuff done. perhaps she is just a corrupted version of the religion ... like an Umbridge type. but the added seen between her and Arya makes me believe my theory more, that theres more to her than appears and her being a preistest for the god of light is an act.

 

theres just somethign about her character thats never sat right with me, soemthign about her makes my skin crawl; the same way that it does with Davos and for the same reasons that he doesn't trust her. i can't put my finger on it, my gut just tells me she's bad juju.

 

 

as for your terible though. i really hope not

I agree with this assessment of Mell. The scene that was added with Arya is simply another example that she interprets the Red God's Will to HER advantage.

 

I wouldn't say she is the ONLY member of the Red God who can have power ... Thoros of Myr brought Dundarrion back HOW MANY TIMES? And Moqorro, on the boat with Vicky G, seems to have something going on as well.

[Lilbaz]

Will we see the many faced god? When jaquen left arya he mentioned the red god, but arya told berric her god was death and she didn't worship the red god. Hope it is the many faced god as he's a bit cooler.

[TylerRVG]

LOL Robbwind.

 

 

[TylerRVG]

That was a terrible ending scene. Seriously, that was awful.

 

Have mixed feelings about the rest if the episode. By biggest complaint is that they are removing all of Stannis' good qualities, and Benioff and Weiss seem hell-bent on depicting him as a villain. Hell, even when he plans to save the north, he's STILL made out to be an asshole.

 

Why.

[AesSedaiGuy]

He kind of IS an asshole, IMO from reading the books. A noble asshole, but an asshole.

 

Haven't watched the finale yet ... It's up next ... So I'll let you know if I feel different afterwards.

[John E. Kelley]

Agree about Stannis, he's nowhere near as cold in the books as HBO is portraying him.

 

And what the hell, why was there no Coldhands to escort Bran and co. under the Wall? I was looking forward to that.

 

All in all, worst season finale thus far. No cliffhanger ending at all.

[AesSedaiGuy]

No cliffhanger? No cold hands?

 

That sucks.

 

 

 

Especially because I think cold hands might be Benjen Stark ...

 

 

[AesSedaiGuy]

When Joff went off on Tywin I loved all the "Oh Sh*#" looks between everyone else. LOL

[SinisterDeath]

I don't recall Theon's Sister launching a rescue mission nor him...

[AesSedaiGuy]

OK ... Watched it now ...

 

I thought it was pretty good, though the ending came across weak ....not sure why, but I had trouble believing Dany's reaction and emotion ... It was a bit too Star Wars Ewok Celebration for me .....Not to mention what the hell kind of bodyguards let the Queen walk into a mob of fanatics without them right beside her? They were too busy doing the mandatory awkward pose on the rock (again, it reminded me of Star Wars, but this time the end of Episode IV at the Awards Ceremony with Leia).

 

Asha/Yara never would have defied her father and definitely not for Theon ... That was TV whitewashing ... Also, they can make Stannis's daughter look like Greedo's bastard, and all the ass and boobs they show and they can't show a prop that looks like a flayed penis? The whole unwrapping of the box, only to "allude" to what was inside was disingenuous and took away from the scene ... As did Asha/Yara's little speech ...but it set up nicely for next season, so there is that.

 

I LOVE TV Ramsey ...but wouldn't he be calling himself Bolton in that letter?

 

All that interjected hype of nabbing Gendry and having Arya encounter Mellisandre ... Just for him to follow the same storyline as Edrick Storm? I thought maybe we were seeing a book spoiler when she showed up and came after him, but they were just using him ... And now he's gone as well? Just back to Kings Landing? Out of the story like Edrick Strorm anyway? Or book-Gendry for that matter ...I guess I just don't see the point of that diversion from canon then? Other than to give the actor a little more and build the TV character's character ...but it served no real purpose ...

 

They need to darken Tyrion up a bit. I love Tyrion, probably one of my fave characters in literature, but the TV-Tyrion is a little too wholesome ... And what the hell is up with Varys caring about how Tyrion can "save the nation" like he's some effing George Washington or Winston Churchill? ... That SO goes against his real character ... I mean, come on!

 

 

The end of Dance? Anyone else remember what happens? (Insert sarcasm)

 

 

 

I think Season 4 will focus more on Dany (hopefully) and they'll really build a story with her taking Mereen. We will also see the death of the Hound and Salt Pans, more of the Return of Jaime, as well as The Purple Wedding. I think they'll also throw in the discovery of Lady Stoneheart and some Dornish storyline in Season 4. I saw in an interview, GRRM said that SoS would definitely take more than one season to tell, and so would the other books, plus they would not be as unified as Seasons 1 and 2, where each season followed only one book.

[AesSedaiGuy]

That was a terrible ending scene. Seriously, that was awful.

 

Have mixed feelings about the rest if the episode. By biggest complaint is that they are removing all of Stannis' good qualities, and Benioff and Weiss seem hell-bent on depicting him as a villain. Hell, even when he plans to save the north, he's STILL made out to be an asshole.

 

Why.

I thought they portrayed Stannis true to form. He came across exactly as I thought in the books.

[AesSedaiGuy]

OK, I wasnt sure if it meant spoilers could be used, or that they didnt have to be tagged.

 

Then I shall remove them. :)

 

Plus I'll still keep the spoilers for the book comment. :)

[Agitel]

Who's to say they (the writers) are done with Gendry?

[Red2111]

got home too late to watch the season finale las tnight, but its on the 2 do list tonight!!  from what i've read, i can't wait to watch it.  glad they showed Rob with Grey Winds head.  bubba was kinda scared they'd leave it out. 

 

 

 

 

 

hence, majority of the stuff she does is tom foolery. look ar the doppleganger she produced. it was made of shadow. given the fears that religion has about shadows and darkness, why woudl she birth a creature made of shadow to do work in the name of her God, when shadow is her Gods nemisis.

I think it's the darker side of her magic, but as she said, there can be no shadows without light, thus shadows are a tool of light.

As an aside about her character, some people think she's undead herself (kind of like Beric) and is maintaining a youthful appearance in a glamour.

And completely separate, I just had the most terrible thought that Tyrion won't kill Shae in the show and she'll go across the Narrow Sea with him and function as a version of Penny (fulfilling the same role as helping Tyrion heal). It would make sense from a TV perspective, but I'd still hate it.

i dunno about her youthful apperance. Martin does kinda remark on it alot, so chances are it is soemthing worth paying attention to. perhaps she steals the energy of others to keep herself youthful? theres a story abotu a witch that does that ... anyways ....

i'm more comparing her to the other examples of people we have that believe in that religion and use its Magic. Out of everyone we've seen, she's the only one that seems open to using the forces of shadow to get her stuff done. perhaps she is just a corrupted version of the religion ... like an Umbridge type. but the added seen between her and Arya makes me believe my theory more, that theres more to her than appears and her being a preistest for the god of light is an act.

theres just somethign about her character thats never sat right with me, soemthign about her makes my skin crawl; the same way that it does with Davos and for the same reasons that he doesn't trust her. i can't put my finger on it, my gut just tells me she's bad juju.


as for your terible though. i really hope not

I agree with this assessment of Mell. The scene that was added with Arya is simply another example that she interprets the Red God's Will to HER advantage.

I wouldn't say she is the ONLY member of the Red God who can have power ... Thoros of Myr brought Dundarrion back HOW MANY TIMES? And Moqorro, on the boat with Vicky G, seems to have something going on as well.

 

 

yep, never said that she was the only one with power like that.  just that she's the only one with that power that we've seen using the Shadows along wiht the Lord of the Light.  as well as darker aspects of magic (ie: sacrifice, birthing shadow ladden dopplegangers that kill, ect)   the others stick to fire and light, dont need sacrifices to see in the flames.

 

 

He kind of IS an asshole, IMO from reading the books. A noble asshole, but an asshole.

Haven't watched the finale yet ... It's up next ... So I'll let you know if I feel different afterwards.

 

^ this.  Stannis came off as a very cold standoffish bastard. 

 

alot like Galad, but without the good looks or personable skills.   so if he comes off as super asshole in the show, then they've got his character pegged.

 

with Stannis, he's not a likable character, but reguardless of that, his saving grace is in the fact that you can trust him to do the job in a just manner without letting favortism get in the way.  its the one reason he's such a favorite for the throne.

 

 

Agree about Stannis, he's nowhere near as cold in the books as HBO is portraying him.

And what the hell, why was there no Coldhands to escort Bran and co. under the Wall? I was looking forward to that.

All in all, worst season finale thus far. No cliffhanger ending at all.

 

 they probably left out Cold Hands because his identity isn't knwon in the books yet and Martin woudl be pissed if they spoiled that.  hopefully this will light a fire under Martins ass to get the next book out this year and disclose CH's identity, so that it doesn't stagnet Brans story line.

 

 

iirc tho, Cold Hands actually escorts Sma and Gilly to the wall and thats where he meets up with Bran and Co and escorts them to the Heart Tree or whatever its called in the far north.

 

 

I don't recall Theon's Sister launching a rescue mission nor him...

 

she did (twice), and the first failed miserably (iirc, Ramasey leads her to believe that Theon died during it); then Asha leaves after her father dies (iirc, he falls off a bridge or something and plumets into the surf/rocks) and returns later when she flees the council and her nuncle.  then fake Ayra Stark (Jene Poole iirc) rides in and weds Ramsey to secure the Boltons claim to Winterfell, at which point Theon and Jene escape along with Asha who is there more so by happenstance.

[TylerRVG]

He kind of IS an asshole, IMO from reading the books. A noble asshole, but an asshole.

 

Yeah. I mean I'm not saying he can't be an asshole at time, but this is nowhere near the extent which the show is portraying him. In the show he is depicted as a straight-up villain.

 

 I thought they portrayed Stannis true to form. He came across exactly as I thought in the books.

 

Haha what. In the books, after he finds out about the trouble in the north and on the wall, it's a moment of realization that there may just be more important matters in the world than squabbling over a monarchy he probably won't get. In the show, he completely ignores Davos' concerns, and only agrees to do it because Melisandre said it was okay, and he was all like "Sure why not, the red gods think it's a good idea".

 

Then afterwards, Stannis unites half the North behind him and saves them from Wildling invasion, among other things. At one point he tells Jon: "I've been trying to win the throne to save the kingdom, when I should be saving the kingdom to win the throne." I honestly can't imagine show-Stannis doing or saying this for any reason other than because he wanted a little bit of attention, or because Melisandre said so.