Ask A Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer (No AMoL Spoilers)

[yoniy0]

As to Siuan and the a'dam, everything I might've quoted was mentioned already (Siuan's inability to touch the Source, Leane's inability to exact control over Moghedien). Suttree, I do think you're going overboard by dismissing an obvious difference, like it or not, between the two designs. Intended or not, it's definitely there, and more than once (Egwene did make it her practice not to wear the bracelet sometimes). However, I concur with Terez, that there's absolutely no hint of the differences being relevant to who can or cannot utilize the a'dam, and in what fashion.

 

And you might say Brandon confirmed it too.

I wouldn't say that. It might definitely be confirmation that Perrin shall be King (or Prince Consort, I guess), but not of the fact that he wouldn't need Faile alive to ascend.

Edited May 23, 2012 by yoniy0

[Byzantine279]

Honestly, I do agree that Setalle being unable to sense anything (so far as we are aware) makes it less likely that she could be healed. But at the same time while Nyn used the argument that because they felt something they could be healed, the converse (ie can be healed means they must feel something) does not necessarily follow (this is a common logical mistake that pretty much everyone makes) . In other words, her wound could simply be "worse" in a sense, still healable, but harder to do so. I suppose like the different between a 1st degree burn and a 3rd, both are the same type of injury, but one is much worse.

 

In other words, I don't think this a good place for that question, we don't know enough for it to be a "simple question". The only real answer is "Shrug?" Aka, probably not, but Nyn continues to insist that everything short of death should be healable, and so far she has managed to prove it (I continue waiting for her to figure out a way to regrow lost limbs or something).

Edited May 23, 2012 by Torn Shadow

[Terez]

As to Siuan and the a'dam, everything I might've quoted was mentioned already (Siuan's inability to touch the Source, Leane's inability to exact control over Moghedien). Suttree, I do think you're going overboard by dismissing an obvious difference, like it or not, between the two designs. Intended or not, it's definitely there, and more than once (Egwene did make it her practice not to wear the bracelet sometimes). However, I concur with Terez, that there's absolutely no hint of the differences being relevant to who can or cannot utilize the a'dam, and in what fashion.

 

And you might say Brandon confirmed it too.

I wouldn't say that. It might definitely be confirmation that Perrin shall be King (or Prince Consort, I guess), but not of the fact that he wouldn't need Faile alive to ascend.

 

Yeah, I wasn't quite getting the original poster's intention. And then fikkie annoyed me by trying to pretend that all monarchies work the same way. I think that if Faile ascends to the throne, Perrin will ascend with her, and that if she dies, especially if they have children, he will remain king because of the co-ruler set-up in Saldaea. I don't think it's incredibly likely that Faile will die before the end of the series, but I suppose the person who asked might have been looking for evidence that she won't die, in which case I approve. I don't think Perrin could ascend without Faile's claim, especially since they don't have children.

[Mr Ares]

He can't hold the throne without Faile. He will be King with Faile as Queen.

At least as long monarchy in WOT works as in real life.

Again, you say that as if it only works one way.

You may come with examples.

This is simply how it works.

William III and Mary II. Co-monarchs, the line of descent came through Mary, yet executive power rested with William, not Mary, and after her death he ruled alone. Not an exact match for Perrin and Faile's situation, but with enough similarities to say you are on rather shaky ground. Monarchy does not work just one way, and if RJ wanted to do things his own way he could.

[fikkie77]

yes, and they changed the law immediately after that. A Dutch prince on the throne of England wasn't exactly what the English wanted. Especially not because England and the Netherlands have fought some (sea)wars in those days.

 

I still think it's funny that we had a Dutch prince on the English throne. Almost happened a second time, when William II, heir to the Dutch throne was engaged with the English princess.

 

(we had 5 Williams' as 'stadhouder' a hereditary title, closer to that of president than that of king. After Napoleon and the French occupation of the Netherlands the sixth was crowned as the first Dutch King and was named William I; we started counting from the beginning again.)

[Durinax]

does mat know about the imperial family being decimated?

[RandA lThor]

No he dies not, he still thinks that Tuon is the Daughter of the Nine Moons.

[fikkie77]

No he dies not, he still thinks that Tuon is the Daughter of the Nine Moons.

I think he learned about this at the end of Knife of Dreams. It's possible he doesn't know that Tuon is now Empress Fortuona, but he knows what happened to her family.

[Tyzack]

Rereading LoC, if Suian and her keeper were to be given to flinn, would he be able to heal them fully? Why hasn't this happened yet?

[fikkie77]

I doubt it; they were healed, so there is nothing left to heal.

 

What might be more interesting: what if they were stilled again and then healed by Flinn? I think they would be restored to their original strengths.

Edited May 23, 2012 by fikkie77

[Suttree]

Rereading LoC, if Suian and her keeper were to be given to flinn, would he be able to heal them fully? Why hasn't this happened yet?

 

Yes that is correct. If a male originally heals a female and vice versa they would be fully recovered instead of partial strength. I'm not sure if they know this in world yet and in addition what would they do? Risk stilling them all over so a man could do it. That isn't something you would take liightly I think.

Edited May 23, 2012 by Suttree

[yoniy0]

I think he learned about this at the end of Knife of Dreams. It's possible he doesn't know that Tuon is now Empress Fortuona, but he knows what happened to her family.

He did not (we have no indication that Tuon learned of it before she entered Ebou Dar; certainly, she knew nothing of it when she left Mat, and decided to remove the veil), and to the best of my knowledge, still doesn't.

[Terez]

I think he learned about this at the end of Knife of Dreams. It's possible he doesn't know that Tuon is now Empress Fortuona, but he knows what happened to her family.

He did not (we have no indication that Tuon learned of it before she entered Ebou Dar; certainly, she knew nothing of it when she left Mat, and decided to remove the veil), and to the best of my knowledge, still doesn't.

 

He knows; Thom told Moiraine he married the Empress. I don't remember where they learned it, though; Tuon learned of it after she left Mat.

[Edynol]

Well that captain or whatever that went with them after Tuon departed was calling him Highness, maybe he knew what happened and told them off-screen?

[Terez]

No, that was his pre-raising title. I don't think he gets a new one, but that's the title he got when he married her. Tuon didn't learn of her family until she reached Ebou Dar, because the ship carrying the news hadn't gotten there until then.

[Edynol]

Oh okay. I was a little fuzzy on that particular time line. lol.

[Terez]

Found it:

 

Much of the news was not new to him; by courtesy of Verin's gateway, Mat had traveled to Caemlyn more quickly than most rumors. But Elayne had gateways of her own, and some of the news from Tear and Illian was fresh. There was talk of the new Seanchan Empress. So Tuon really had crowned herself, or whatever it was the Seanchan did to name a new leader.

[Edynol]

Ah! There we go! Thanks for that. lol.

[yoniy0]

Oh, right. Sorry about that.

[jwood01]

Currently doing a reread of the series in anticipation of aMoL, and am on tSR. Something Asmodean (as Jasin Nateal) says about the Aiel piqued my interest.

 

tSR Ch 37: "Aiel," he murmured. "Not what I would have expected. I can still hardly credit it."

 

The first part is consistent with the change in the Aiel from pacifist servants into hardened warriors, but the 2md part seemed strange to me. I guess "credit" is confusing me. Credit to whom? Or is credit just a synonym for register (or some other word) here.

[Knivy]

Could the corruption of the ways be due to some action of Sammel during one of his times free of the seal? This could give reason as to why the black wind would be controllable, yet seemingly uncontrollable to everyone else, since they know nothing of Sammel being free of the seal. I'm assuming other forsaken, since they would have a similar education in the power as its creator, since they all were from the AOL.

[Finnssss22]

Currently doing a reread of the series in anticipation of aMoL, and am on tSR. Something Asmodean (as Jasin Nateal) says about the Aiel piqued my interest.

 

tSR Ch 37: "Aiel," he murmured. "Not what I would have expected. I can still hardly credit it."

 

The first part is consistent with the change in the Aiel from pacifist servants into hardened warriors, but the 2md part seemed strange to me. I guess "credit" is confusing me. Credit to whom? Or is credit just a synonym for register (or some other word) here.

 

"Credit it" as in he is having trouble figuring out the reasons how they went from being the way they were to what they have become.

[jwood01]

Currently doing a reread of the series in anticipation of aMoL, and am on tSR. Something Asmodean (as Jasin Nateal) says about the Aiel piqued my interest.

 

tSR Ch 37: "Aiel," he murmured. "Not what I would have expected. I can still hardly credit it."

 

The first part is consistent with the change in the Aiel from pacifist servants into hardened warriors, but the 2md part seemed strange to me. I guess "credit" is confusing me. Credit to whom? Or is credit just a synonym for register (or some other word) here.

 

"Credit it" as in he is having trouble figuring out the reasons how they went from being the way they were to what they have become.

 

Makes sense. Thanks. Sometimes the simplest answer is the best. i was totally overthinking that one.

[Sephie913]

Could the corruption of the ways be due to some action of Sammel during one of his times free of the seal? This could give reason as to why the black wind would be controllable, yet seemingly uncontrollable to everyone else, since they know nothing of Sammel being free of the seal. I'm assuming other forsaken, since they would have a similar education in the power as its creator, since they all were from the AOL.

 

Ishamael, you mean. :)

 

IIRC, The Ways were made as a gift to the Ogier for the shelter they provided the male AS in the Breaking. The Ways were tainted, over time, by the taint on saidin, with which they had been made, and fell into darkness. Then people started disappearing, eaten by Machin shin(sp?). So it's (theoretically) possible that Ishy found a way to protect himself and others from the Black Wind, seeing as the taint=DO's touch. But it's unlikely, since Ishy has been around for a long time, and the trollocs he had control of didn't (that I recall) use the Ways, or at least, not overtly successfully.

Edited May 24, 2012 by Sephie

[Knivy]

Thanks for the correction. But how is it known that the corruption is from the taint? I mean, the eye of the world had a pure, taintless pool of saidin. That means the taint isnt part of saiden, and even though men died creating that pure pool, i think it means that actual flows arent affected by the taint, the taint is just taken in as side affect of saiden. Also, isnt the taint described as a sheet covering saiden? So taint wouldnt be woven into the flows, just affecting the channeler. Do we have any other evidence of male acts post-resealing being tainted (other than madness, of course). Im sure Im grasping at straws here, but its worth the thought.

 

Also, IIRC, the chosen have no control over the taint, but are just protected - Rand cutting Asmo off renders him helpless. If there was a way to control it, then Asmo would then most likely find a way to avoid the effects of the taint.