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Finnssss22

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  1. We do actually have overwhelming evidence of his fluency prior to the Finn's filling his memories. Do me a favour and give TSR chapter 15 a re-read.
  2. Big difference between uttering a few words/kind of understanding the old tongue and being 100% fluent in the old tongue like Mat is. Remember, Mat was 100% fluent long before the Finn's filled his memories in the Rhuidean doorway. Granted, that at the very least he is a direct descendent of Aemon but everything seems to indicate it's more than that. The Finn's have specific titles for him..."Gambler", "Trickster", "Son of Battles" that clearly indicates his Soul is specifically known to them and directly tied to the Wheel, spit out for a purpose. Souls like that are not just randomly some descendent of another great general.
  3. It's pretty clear in tDR chapter 19 that Mat is Aemon reborn.
  4. Probably had more to do with the fact that after a while the collared male eventually reverses the link and takes control of the women.
  5. Yeah, characters of the high stoic variety (classic Paladin type) do tend to be on the boring side because they are very predictable. Compared to Rand who at least a little insane through a good chunk of the books and Mat who...well, is Mat are anything but predictable. And it certainly didn't help that the storyline of the brooding Perrin we got during Faile's imprisonment dragged on far too long.
  6. Just a few quick examples. The problem I see with this is that the only time Egwene apologized or she admitted she was wrong out loud was to the Aiel Wiseones and nobody else. Even after Gawyne saved her life and proved her wrong about the Assassins not having anything to do with Messana, she still continued to berate him only admitting to herself that she was wrong, not to him. And she is the only member of the Wonder Twins that didn't apologize/thank Mat for saving her ass in Tear. I don't know about the rest of you but I for one thoroughly enjoyed Perrin so easily making a fool of her in TAR. She coulda used a few more humblings over the course of the series afaic.
  7. Thanks for this reference . I am re-reading TDR now and wondered why Rahvin didn't recognize Mat. And for similar reasons Semirhage didn't recognize Mat or his name in WH when they met face to face. They didn't call him Mat Cauthon in the palace, he was referred to among the Seanchan as Tylin's Toy. One of my favourite minor scenes btw
  8. By quite a bit going by the Kin. in CoS-18, Egwene believes that swearing the Oath's cuts a woman's life span by about half.
  9. Hardcover sales? Really? You know this is the 21rst century and that Ebook sales make up a large percentage of any book sales today right? Using how many hardcovers were sold in the first year compared to non-Ebook years is quite simply a terrible argument. Also, from what I understand (easily googled) aMoL was the 13th highest selling book period of 2013. That's not what one would call a poor showing by any stretch.
  10. At minimum, he is a direct blood descendant of Aemon. The direct, specific memory of being Aemon along with complete fluency in the Old Tongue before ever stepping through either Doorway seems to go well beyond the scope of simply being just the Old Blood coming out IMO. Even Birgitte mentions it later in aCoS-21 when she tricks Mat into having a conversation in the Old Tongue. Mat tries to say that it's just the Old Blood coming out. She laughs and says a few words, a phase or two maybe and usually not even understanding what they said or not quite is the Old Blood coming out. But to speak the Old Tongue fluently like Mat was is well beyond just the Old Blood coming out. Sure, she was also talking about how Mat had various accents but the point is that he was fluent in the Old Tongue before he got anything from the Snakes and Foxes. We know that the evil of Shadar Logoth has to do with Souls so we can reasonably assume that there was something going on with Mat's Soul while he was tainted by the Dagger. I don't think it's far fetched at all to suggest that upon being healed of that taint, that a window was opened to a past life through his once damaged Soul. I mean is it really that hard to believe? Both Rand and Perrin have special Souls, why would the 3rd Ta'veren of them be any different? We have nothing to go on that Perrin souls is special. I mean we know of two others in Randland that have Perrin's ability. RJ said souls reborn again and again for greatness are extremely rare. So I think it was just Perrin, Egwene, and Mat's luck they were spun out this time for greatness. Except we do. Being a Wolfbrother requires a special Soul. Robert Jordan Answers: Women certainly can be wolfbrothers, though the term would be wolfsisters. A wolfbrother or wolfsister reborn in another age would only be a wolfbrother or wolfsister again if that were possible in that Age. The ability to speak with wolves doesn't exist in every Age. In the "current" Age, it is a fairly new thing, appearing not too long ago. There are tales of it, sometimes just vague stories of people who supposedly "can talk to animals," without necessarily mentioning wolves, but remember that Elyas's ability was taken, at least by some Aes Sedai, as a sign that he was linked to the Shadow.
  11. Perrin either is a human with a wolf soul or, like Slayer, also has 2 souls. Only instead of 2 human souls, he has the souls of a human and a wolf. Slayer's TAR abilities seem to stem from having 2 souls so I tend to lean towards the same for Perrin. As far as Rand and the Old Tongue...it never seemed to come up except for the scene you mentioned. That he is able to immediately translate Cyndane does tend to suggest that he does know the OT now. Possibly, Rand simply doesn't realise it just like Mat didn't when he went through the first Doorway in Tear. It also could be because Rand's synergy was handled by Sanderson, not Jordan.
  12. Yeah, both Mat and Egwene have similar experiences early on where they both think they almost understand the Old Tongue. Like I said though, that changes after Mat is healed of the Dagger's taint.
  13. At minimum, he is a direct blood descendant of Aemon. The direct, specific memory of being Aemon along with complete fluency in the Old Tongue before ever stepping through either Doorway seems to go well beyond the scope of simply being just the Old Blood coming out IMO. Even Birgitte mentions it later in aCoS-21 when she tricks Mat into having a conversation in the Old Tongue. Mat tries to say that it's just the Old Blood coming out. She laughs and says a few words, a phase or two maybe and usually not even understanding what they said or not quite is the Old Blood coming out. But to speak the Old Tongue fluently like Mat was is well beyond just the Old Blood coming out. Sure, she was also talking about how Mat had various accents but the point is that he was fluent in the Old Tongue before he got anything from the Snakes and Foxes. We know that the evil of Shadar Logoth has to do with Souls so we can reasonably assume that there was something going on with Mat's Soul while he was tainted by the Dagger. I don't think it's far fetched at all to suggest that upon being healed of that taint, that a window was opened to a past life through his once damaged Soul. I mean is it really that hard to believe? Both Rand and Perrin have special Souls, why would the 3rd Ta'veren of them be any different?
  14. Mat is either Aemon reborn or a direct descendant of Aemon's bloodline. I lean towards the first.
  15. I'm pretty you're thinking about the burning down of the Illuminators chapter house in chapter 27 of the Great Hunt. That was caused Rand and Loial, some Trollocs and Selene. Aludra was in charge of that chapter house so she was blamed and expelled for it all. We don't see her again until Mat saves her life in the barn tDR chpt 40.
  16. It was how he was "healed" after Fain sliced him that showed him how to cleanse saidin. Flinn didn't actually heal him, he walled off the two evil's together, said that they were fighting each other and canceled each other out. THAT was what gave Rand the solution, not what Fel said. His conversations with Fel had to do with how to re-seal the DO. The Pattern is far reaching. Just like how Tigraine had to do what she did so Rand could be born on the slopes of Dragonmount 20 years ago. Shadar Logath had to be there for the Dragon Reborn to cleanse saidin. Even though RJ said in the past that Fain was "kind of outside the pattern", I don't believe that was always the case though. He ended up being a loose thread after slicing Rand in aCoS as he really didn't have an affect on or was involved in anything after that. A loose end that was eventually snipped by the same person that released him in the first place. The Pattern needed Sahdar Logath and Fain. Logath so saidin could be cleansed. Fain so that he could lead them to Falme, so he could lead Perrin to the Two Rivers, so he could tip Elaida over the edge to eventually make way for Egwene, so he could show Rand the way to cleanse saidin. After that, the Pattern was done with Fain. @Sabio Mat was also told that along with him having to go to Rhuidean or he would die, that he was going to die and live again and that he was going to marry the Daughter of the Nine Moons. So what risk in his mind was he actually taking by going into the doorway in Rhuidean? He hadn't died yet and he hadn't married Tuon yet. Mat was a gambler, that's how the Pattern set him as. It was his job to take risks and be impulsive. When the pattern needed to curb him for a while or didn't want him to be impulsive, it dropped half a building on him heh
  17. Not quite sure what problems the Bowl caused? If you mean how the Power was going wild near Ebou Dar, you're confusing Elayne blowing up her gateway with the Bowl use. Mat had to take the knife so Fain would have it later to cut Rand with. If Rand isn't cut by that knife, then he doesn't figure out how to cleanse Saidin. Kind of a big deal no?
  18. #1 He had to get into the Stone to save the girls, which he did. His explosion provided a perfect distraction for Rand and the Aiel. #2 No idea what you're talking about, be more specific #3 Freeing the Seafolk women was a risk? Or talking Tuon along? The escaped Seafolk caused a disturbance just as Mat and company were getting through the lines to leave Ebou Dar. He HAD to take Tuon at that point or the Seanchan would still be at war with everyone, never mind entering the Last Battle with the rest of Randland. It took her away from Semirhage's influence and most likely Tuon would have eventually been killed by Suroth if she stayed in Ebou Dar. #4 He wasn't in Tanchico. As far as Ebou Dar...he saved Elayne's from being killed by the Gholem. Directly and indirectly found the location of the Bowl as well. Not to mention he all but single-handedly got the Seafolk women in line. #5 He had to, was told to in fact, he didn't have a choice. Go to Rhuidean Son of Battles/Trickster/Gambler, or you will die was the jist of it. This was one of the most important decisions he ever made in the entire series. It's mind boggling and quite frankly downright scary the amount of events, storylines and characters that cease to be if Mat doesn't have those memories, that ter'angreal and that weapon. Rand, Elayne, Moiraine, Tuon all dead. #6 Not sure exactly what you're referring to but I'm almost positive that it leads back to being part of the Seeker setting Karede on the trail which eventually leads to him being able to bring Tuon back to Ubou Dar safely with the proof of Suroth being a traitor. #7 Not sure what that has to do with risk taking exactly? #8 Had to be done. The domino effect of him not taking the Dagger are once again mind boggling. No cleansed Saidin, no holes in his memories to be filled...the list is endless. In the end, there's more than enough to make the argument that Mat had just as much affect on how events played out as Rand did. Fine, you don't like Mat, fair enough but to say that his "risk taking" was a detriment to those around him or especially to the story itself...well, that's just completely false in so many ways, complete opposite in fact. I think he meant that Mat knew he had to go to Rhudiean, but nothing told him to go in the doorway there. It was a foolish risk since he assumed it was the same, and without thinking he stormed in and that assumption nearly killed him. I would say the other reckless thing he did was take the dagger. That was him being greedy and thinking he knew more then Moraine, with his thinking he clever since it wasn't "given" to him. I mean it has to been deemed reckless since it very well could of killed everyone. The risks he took ended up being needed, but I would classy those incidents as being reckless since he didn't really think either out before doing them. Rescuing the sea folk women could be classified as sort of reckless, since it was a risk he really didn't need to take. But I can't blame him for that since it wouldn't of been like Mat to simply abandon them. Him taking the dagger HAD to happen. Him going through the 2nd Doorway HAD to happen.
  19. One of my favourite moments was from WH-17 "Pink Ribbons" when Mat barges in on Tylin, Suroth, Tuon and Anath. First off, he is in total shock yet still has time to take note of gold, jewels and how beautiful women are. The Dice come to a thunderous stop in his head and..."he stood there waiting for one of the Forsaken to leap out of the flames of the marble fire place"
  20. #1 He had to get into the Stone to save the girls, which he did. His explosion provided a perfect distraction for Rand and the Aiel. #2 No idea what you're talking about, be more specific #3 Freeing the Seafolk women was a risk? Or talking Tuon along? The escaped Seafolk caused a disturbance just as Mat and company were getting through the lines to leave Ebou Dar. He HAD to take Tuon at that point or the Seanchan would still be at war with everyone, never mind entering the Last Battle with the rest of Randland. It took her away from Semirhage's influence and most likely Tuon would have eventually been killed by Suroth if she stayed in Ebou Dar. #4 He wasn't in Tanchico. As far as Ebou Dar...he saved Elayne's from being killed by the Gholem. Directly and indirectly found the location of the Bowl as well. Not to mention he all but single-handedly got the Seafolk women in line. #5 He had to, was told to in fact, he didn't have a choice. Go to Rhuidean Son of Battles/Trickster/Gambler, or you will die was the jist of it. This was one of the most important decisions he ever made in the entire series. It's mind boggling and quite frankly downright scary the amount of events, storylines and characters that cease to be if Mat doesn't have those memories, that ter'angreal and that weapon. Rand, Elayne, Moiraine, Tuon all dead. #6 Not sure exactly what you're referring to but I'm almost positive that it leads back to being part of the Seeker setting Karede on the trail which eventually leads to him being able to bring Tuon back to Ubou Dar safely with the proof of Suroth being a traitor. #7 Not sure what that has to do with risk taking exactly? #8 Had to be done. The domino effect of him not taking the Dagger are once again mind boggling. No cleansed Saidin, no holes in his memories to be filled...the list is endless. In the end, there's more than enough to make the argument that Mat had just as much affect on how events played out as Rand did. Fine, you don't like Mat, fair enough but to say that his "risk taking" was a detriment to those around him or especially to the story itself...well, that's just completely false in so many ways, complete opposite in fact.
  21. List the reckless or unnecessary risks that Mat took.
  22. Egwene had already figured out and explained how she was going to use the Band right before the paragraph I quoted... We of course find out later that her plan was to play the Band off against her own army in order to increase it and to use it as leverage in the Hall. This plan relies on two things though. Obviously if Elayne simply goes to Caemlyn, Mat and the Band will go with her so that won't do but Elayne has to make that choice on her own, which she of course does without Egwene even having to push her. Second, it would be a lot harder to manipulate the Band if Mat is still there controlling it. Taking Mat to Ubou Dar with them kills two birds with one stone. It leaves Egwene free to manipulate the Band for her own agenda and taking along Mat and some soldiers also provides Elayne and Nynaeve better protection to find the Bowl. Oh yes, Egwene manipulated and used Mat, absolutely no question.
  23. Well the whole "weird thing" with Tuon (Order) is that she is Mat's opposite (Chaos). Mat was only overprotective of Elayne in Ebou Dar because he had made a promise to Rand to get her safely back to Caemlyn. A promise I might add that the girls used to manipulate him to going to Ebou Dar in the first place. Mat only went to save them in Tear also because of a promise he made to deliver Elayne's letter to her mother. Mat's "complaining" is what endears him to most people. No matter how loud or how often he complains about having to do something, there is absolutely no hesitation in doing it. Mat is the bad boy, rebel with a cause and it's no secret he was one of RJ's favourites to write.
  24. Something I like to do with the Audio-books is organise playlists by PoV. For example, I have the list of all Mat chapters from all the books and I string them all together in a single playlist. Do this for any character.
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