[Game Over] Cliche Mafia - The Death of Meta - Sooh Wins!

[Niniel]

  On 3/18/2015 at 8:33 AM, Cass said:

 

  On 3/18/2015 at 7:58 AM, TinaHel said:

 

  On 3/18/2015 at 7:20 AM, Cass said:

'Things like that' does not explain your previous post, why you haven't offered opinions of the points I raised or judgement on the likely truth/the tone or manner in which I raised them, or why you feel that potential misinterpretation of what I'm trying to say is enough for you to cast your vote.

 

If you were Town considering I may be scum, why not try and make me trip up somewhere and give you something more concrete?

 

This feels like you pushing for a quick mislynch because you don't want to/can't be bothered to/don't need to figure me out, and it stinks.

 

 

  On 3/18/2015 at 7:31 AM, Cass said:

I should say feels like you're either Town who can't be bothered communicating/figuring me out or Scum who's pushing for quick mislynch.

Either way it stinks.

 

I see that you corrected yourself but it really looks like you are not considering Darthe as mafia in the first post.

I'm not sure what you mean by that? The bold is me considering Darthe more likely Scum than Town. In my mind there is more weight on that suspicion in the first paragraph than in the second.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I actually missed the last part of the sentence "don´t need to figure it out". 

 

 

 

[Niniel]

I don´t understand why you bring up that you are new to this game/site, though. From what I have seen, you have played great. 

[Niniel]

  On 3/18/2015 at 4:48 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Current suspects off the top of my head. I have been limited to phone since Monday so will miss some people.

 

Cass: already mentioned.

Tress: lawyer talk plus associative as potential teammate.

Yates: cause Yates. Just saw him wreck another game as mafia. Inherent tinfoil. Now that game is over he may become more readable.

 

Sooh? There was something in her dice interactions that peeked my ears.

Dice: same with him regarding sooh. It look liked a sign of tentative dice which I associate more with mafia dice.

 

Panchi: all following but that unfortunately is typical.

 

Tina: if she has time to.meme she should have timee to give more thoughts. Let's hope for more in future. The no time memes were the ones to bug me some.

 

Pral: slight town lean.

Verb: same.

Darthe: darthe. Unknown.

Hallia: mixed null. Weird voting pattern but might be cliche related. Need to kook into later when have computer.

Ley: town lean. Will show himself not town if not town.

 

Anyone else hasn't registered very much

 

 

[Niniel]

Panchi´s vote didn´t look good.

 

Cass looks better (well, now that I actually read the whole sentence, lol) but I don´t like that she brings up that she is a newbie. She is already playing better than I ever will.

 

Still think it´s something going on with Dice and Sooh. My vote stays for now. 

 

 

[Yates]

  On 3/18/2015 at 5:12 PM, Cass said:

I'm not sure why you want my opinion on why I'm being wagoned

I was just wondering if you could restate the case against you as you understand it, actually.

[dicetosser1]

Tina Ive been playing with Sooh. and considering that im in the process of recruiting her to my beloved cavalry in the band im goin flat out at making her think Dice and fun in the same sentence lol

[dicetosser1]

i think Cass is being honest so not voting there.

 

Dont really have any reads that make me go "oohh i should vote them"  so im gonna totally YOLO it and vote panchi because i dont know that i will be on again b4 DL

 

 

vote Panchi

[Cass]

  On 3/18/2015 at 6:09 PM, Yates. said:

 

  On 3/18/2015 at 5:12 PM, Cass said:

I'm not sure why you want my opinion on why I'm being wagoned

I was just wondering if you could restate the case against you as you understand it, actually.

 

 

Lol. That actually never occurred to me >.<

 

Probably because I honestly don't see that there is a case. 

 

But the basic reasons being pushed were:

 

'She's defending Tress' (I'm not. I was questioning what's potentially shaky logic on Verb's part in his vote for Tress. There's a difference);

'She's pushing for no lynch' (I'm not. I was looking for reactions)

'She's scum, no explanation'; 

'She's pushing Darthe but not voting him' and

'Someone else voted'

'Killing you is better than letting it go random, no further explanation'

 

 

It all stinks. If I've missed something or need to address something further, (Town) people should let me know.

 

The top two are not true and I've explained why several times, and the rest are simply fluff/bollocks.

 

Starts here if you want to re-check for yourself.

[Ithillian Turambar]

2 1/2 Hours till deadline. I'm gonna grab a shower and a bite to eat and ill be right with you

[Leyrann]

[unvote]

[v] Cass [/v]

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

 

Vote Count

 

Verbal - 1 (Yates)

Dice – 2 (Tina, Tress)

Leyrann - 1 (Pralaya)

Tress - 2 (Verbal,Hallia)

Cass - 5 (RTE, Shadar, Turin, Panchi, Leyrann )

Panchi - 2 (Darthe, Dice)

 

 

Not voting - 3 (BFG, Cass, Sooh)

 

 

Day one ends 9 PM GMT 18 March 2015

 

with 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150318T21&p0=136&msg=end+of+day+1

 

 

You have less than 2 1/2 Hours

[Yates]

  On 3/18/2015 at 6:31 PM, Cass said:

'She's pushing for no lynch' (I'm not. I was looking for reactions)

How did that work out for you?

[Ithillian Turambar]

That was painful. Ok brb

[dicetosser1]

ithi i voted panchi on this page  and i think darthe had as well before that

[Ithillian Turambar]

Yes I know

 

I said I had to quote the last VC and then edit it because I'm on my phone.

 

Patience lol

[Cass]

  On 3/18/2015 at 6:37 PM, Yates. said:

 

  On 3/18/2015 at 6:31 PM, Cass said:

'She's pushing for no lynch' (I'm not. I was looking for reactions)

How did that work out for you?

 

 

Heh. I found some. Tell you after the butthurt (and hopefully proper ISOs) if they were good or bad. 

[Cass]

  On 3/18/2015 at 6:41 PM, Ithillian said:

That was painful. Ok brb

 

I feel your pain. I'm trying to put them all together, in the context of the game. I'm half way through. 

[dicetosser1]

  On 3/18/2015 at 6:44 PM, Ithillian said:

Yes I know

 

I said I had to quote the last VC and then edit it because I'm on my phone.

 

Patience lol

 

backs away hands raised.....just tryin to help mistress.

[Yates]

  On 3/18/2015 at 6:44 PM, Cass said:

 

  On 3/18/2015 at 6:37 PM, Yates. said:

 

  On 3/18/2015 at 6:31 PM, Cass said:

'She's pushing for no lynch' (I'm not. I was looking for reactions)

How did that work out for you?

 

 

Heh. I found some. Tell you after the butthurt (and hopefully proper ISOs) if they were good or bad.

 

Can you give me some hints? This feels evasive.

[Sooh]

  On 3/18/2015 at 6:27 PM, dicetosser1 said:

Tina Ive been playing with Sooh. and considering that im in the process of recruiting her to my beloved cavalry in the band im goin flat out at making her think Dice and fun in the same sentence lol

 

Anyway.. I'm hesitant to vote anyone at the moment. I can't seem to agree with myself on who I think look scummy or not. If I had to vote it would be Panchi for jumping on the lynch wagon so quickly...

 

Alright.. why not?

 

[v]Panchi[/v]

[Leyrann]

May I point out deadline is in a few hours and this is a normal hammer game, which most likely means something like no coroner report if we don't each a majority?

[Darthe]

  On 3/18/2015 at 2:54 PM, Cass said:

 

 

  On 3/18/2015 at 1:38 PM, Darthe said:

Cass why would I want to trip you up? Thats a good way to make townies look bad. You look bad of your own accord and I am merely reacting to recognizing that.

So communicate better with me. What, specifically, makes you think that the post you voted me for didn't come from me as Town?  I tried pretty hard to make sure I was clear and explaining my thought processes and actions to the full extent. I don't understand where you're coming from when you say I 'look bad'. TBH, I'm going to be annoyed if you are Town and you don't remove your vote because of this - especially if you leave it there without giving better reasons than a generalised 'she's scum' / 'you look bad'. You say you don't want to trip me up, but you're not engaging/communicating like you're trying to figure me out -  at all - and  I don't believe you believe I'm scum at this point. You've given me no solid/understandable reasons as to why you'd have your wires crossed enough to think me scum, and either way I don't see how you pushing me this way is good for Town. 

 

I'm going to address everything you asked me here but it's going to take a bit of explaining so.. yeah.  Btw it'll all work better if you read it in the voice of the narrator from The Stanley Parable.

 

 

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First, let's start by saying that I like to vote people D1 without much reason and see how they react (I'll never admit this again so enjoy it while you can).  Reactions are essentially the name of my game because, barring extenuating circumstances, I generally take time to figure out the mafia because I suck at it.  Learned that long ago and so instead I fake it through a combination of other things I am good at, namely finding townies, putting myself in someone elses shoes, statistics and general game analytics such as the setup etc.  Thus I rely heavily on other teammates to weed out scum and I need to be able and trust those people well or else it becomes detrimental to our health pretty quickly.  

 

With that stated let's take a step back.  You were getting traction and I voted you.  Called it scummy, did a few cliche things etc and waited to see what you would do.  It's all stuff that everyone else does and watches and contemplates etc and it's really uninformative.  Unless you're involved.  Case en pointe, do you gain more from reading what two people say to one another or from being one of the two people?  The answer is obviously the second because you aren't concerned about the alignment of two entities involved but instead about just one.  There's a whole list of reasons that is better but that seems to cover it well enough.  

 

Another point to be made here is that mafia wants people to trust them.  Trust is very helpful and creates a lot of biases that get in the way of scumhunting.  That's bad early on but it's also something a lot of townies buy in to because it's a lot more comfortable than being a prick and digging into everyone objectively.  You asked about me explaining myself and frankly I didn't have much reason to do so at the time because why would I want to provide additional information to someone I didn't trust?  The only reason would be to get you to better understand my motivations and become more comfortable acting based off of them.  I didn't want that for two reasons.  The first is that if you come to either trust or mistrust me (funny how opposites elicit similar results) you'll think less critically (because why would I not want you to think critically about me?) and suffice it to say that that historically isn't beneficial for either of us (lookin at that last game). Secondly you're more reactive so you illicit better responses.  

 

 

 

In essence, the less comfortable and more interactive you are the better I can gauge you and that often seems to lead me down the right path.  There are a host of things that go into each interaction and hypothetically that pans out.  I didn't get that you were town from our interaction btw.  I think it'd be silly to assume a read based on one or two things any time after page ~5.  What I got is that you are likely not doing enough to warrant the train on you and then Panchi, who has thus far made no sense, decided to bandwagon what appeared to be a popular train and suddenly you looked a whole lot better than she did.

[Darthe]

Here is every Panchi post.  We have zero reason not to lynch her.  For anyone not from around here she has played in a number of games, is an older player and should know exactly what she is doing.  Also, yes she has always been sort of spacey/bubbly.  

 

 

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  On 3/12/2015 at 3:18 AM, Panchi said:

 

  On 3/11/2015 at 11:06 PM, Cass said:

 

  On 3/11/2015 at 9:56 PM, Songstress said:

I feel so loved, I can't even tell which one of you drew "the Flirt"

Tress... Maybe it was you? <3

Hi all!

I think I know...I will explain in a while

 

Never did in the literal week and four hours since.  

 

  On 3/12/2015 at 3:15 PM, Panchi said:

[v] vote Hallia [/v]

Why?

 

  On 3/12/2015 at 3:46 PM, Panchi said:

So, if we can put a ban that would be applicable to Verbal. Good to know *makes a note somewhere*

Now, I gotta run again

Joke and disappear, not really a reason to say this.

 

  On 3/13/2015 at 6:37 AM, Panchi said:

I don't think anyone except Ithi can be near and dear to Turin's heart.


Except balefire maybe.

Same as above, just a post for the point of posting.  

 

  On 3/16/2015 at 12:37 PM, Panchi said:

Not here Dice. Band rules don't apply here *spills a drink*

[unvote]

[v] Darthe [/v]

Why?  

 

  On 3/17/2015 at 10:35 AM, Panchi said:

*points FoS at random people till finger starts hurting*

Distinctly unhelpful.  Actually a point in her favor because why would mafia say this but... Who am I kidding, no it isn't.  Just scummy.

 

  On 3/17/2015 at 10:39 AM, Panchi said:

*directs this at you-know-who*

Not even remotely helpful.

 

  On 3/17/2015 at 1:48 PM, Panchi said:

Darthe was not making any sense (which I assume is his being Darthe). Further explanation once I finish studying or my break would stretch too much

So if you assume I was just being me how does it equate to warranting a vote?  Also never explained again and it's been a day and a half almost.  

 

  On 3/18/2015 at 2:41 PM, Panchi said:

Cass and Darthe are mentioned twice and I am missing in VC along with Turin.

Voting Cass looks a good option. If she is mafia, Tress would be under strong FoS.

To look further in game: Pral is Verb's first town read. If one of them turns mafia, other could be too. Also, read Pral's post again because along logic is sound logic after all and clear head might show new things.

For now,
[unvote]
[v]Cass[/v]

Content post but it sucked.  How does this implicate Tress?  It's not even lvl1 to say that verb/laya are a pair because of a town read.  Actually no clue what you're trying to say in that last sentence Panchi.  It hurts to read.

 

  On 3/18/2015 at 3:25 PM, Panchi said:

Cass, voting anyone now looks a better option to me than letting a random player be killed without getting to know anything about them. Sorry :sad;

That's not a reason to vote someone and it's a blatant bandwagon.  

 

 

 

In short, scum.  You guys can sheep me now.  

[Darthe]

  On 3/18/2015 at 7:01 PM, Leyrann said:

May I point out deadline is in a few hours and this is a normal hammer game, which most likely means something like no coroner report if we don't each a majority?

No you may not.  No coroner sucks so we aren't going to say those words here.

[Darthe]

Town reads on Dice, Cass, Verb, Shadar, Laya and if I wasn't so hurt I might tentatively add Yates in here.  

 

Tina looks scummy.