[Advanced] House MD Mafia - Mafia Victory!

[michellem]

 

 

Morals aren't a good way to bet away a game.  I agree with you, but it seems unlikely.

 

Also... you guys actually follow threads and get email notifications?

 

Nope. Can't deal with thousands of email flooding my inbox.

 

You can choose to have it send you updates only once a day, if you want. That way you still get original posts, but it doesn't flood your inbox.

 

 

Thank you, I didn't know that

[Darthe]

 

 

And he used obfuscating!

 

Omg so scummy. He is clearly trying to talk over our heads and look intelligent to make us think we need him.

 

So scummy.

 

So very scummy.

Darthe, when players are passive-aggressive and use it to try and discredit someone's case rather than responding to it, would you view that as scummy?

If someone had a reasonable case rather than a load of crock that they repeated until the dumber masses followed it I might care enough to axtually challenge their views. As things stand I am not worried nor was I. Ive said it a hundted times now, Des doesnt yet know how to play thus game like those whose names are remembered around here. It isnt a matter of his ability, it is in how he uses it and how well he can perform critical analysis.

 

FTP, saying something multiple times anx then pushing people to repeat it is not a high level skill. All that it ever convinces are newbies, skimmers, and people who dont have the ability to critically think. Why would I eved be threatened by that or waste my time catering to it? I would much rather find mafia in a logical and concise manner. If you need proof of this examine the last ten or so times that Des and I playdd together. Other than the few times that he annoyed me to the point that I dealt with him Ive done this exact same thing and HE is the one who ends up dead for it. Because that sort of play cant hold up over time withiut incriminating the one driving it. Because he plays to beliefs rather than logical conclusions. Because he never backs away when he thinks he is wrong.

 

That is a long answer that should finally precisely answer your question.

 

TLDR I dont view Des as a threat because his views dont hold water

[Turin Turambar]

Despo, your example of clout in the last paragraph is incorrect. What you are describing is in fact meta. Player x(Despo) does scummy things every game so many treat that as null. I am of the opinion that if you do scummy things you should be called out on it. Regardless if you do them as either alignment. The reason for this is that it does not help town.

 

And with regard specifically to your "politely requesting" mish explain herself you are misrepping yourself. You said oh no you don't get to just say that. You have to say why. If this is your thought of being polite then Texas isn't what it used to be.

 

Finally, you exhibited a bit of whyme in one of your responses. I think in regards to Darthe. Not sure of who you were talking to there. Your defense of your actions this game to date are pretty lacking IMO. It will be tomorrow night before I am on a computer again to possibly locate quotes.

[Pralaya]

We got a bus vote over here

 

 

Your cognitive thought process is inextricably ambiguous

[WWWwombat]

 

And he used obfuscating!

 

Omg so scummy. He is clearly trying to talk over our heads and look intelligent to make us think we need him.

 

So scummy.

 

So very scummy.

 

Darthe, when players are passive-aggressive and use it to try and discredit someone's case rather than responding to it, would you view that as scummy?

 

 

Lol is this a serious question?

[Tyler Glembo]

Lol is this a serious question?

 

 

It was meant to be coupled with my immediate following post.

[Kaylee]

 

Peace - Good feeling on Peace.  I agree that the Despo/Csarmageddon thingy could've easily distracted town for D1.  I actually have a better feeling about AJ because of Csarmi bailing instead of staying.

 

Turin - Spammy memes again, OR SO I THOUGHT.  Continuing through the thread he actually put up a nice little analysis.  I didn't see TG's post before it changed, so I can't speak for or against it.  Disagree about Csarmi's reaction being kneejerk though, he is always quick to do any kind of claiming.

 

Mish - I applaud you woman, and I agree with that post!  I didn't see it as mediating either, it was more just trying to shake the bejesus out of those two.  One question; you mentioned people using buzzwords.  What constitutes a buzzword, and why is it a bad thing?

 

Despo - One day I'll be able to read you >.<

 

Amega - Nudged at Despo being mafia again, then went bye-bye; come baaack!

 

Me: Town 

 

Darthe - The whole Mish comment made no sense at all, and neither have his retorts.  One of my top two scum reads.

 

Kaylee - Going along with the flow

 

BFG - Not super talkative, but engaging with questions and commentary so I'm leaning town.

 

TG - My other top scum pick.  Said he'd call out Despo if his play wasn't consistent, but reading through Des seems fine to me, then he engaged in more sniping at  people, and voted Darthe, then his silly OMGSUS vote on Len was just awful.

 

Anyone not listed I haven't been able to get a real opinion on.  Be happy to switch between the two.

 

Vote TGlems

 

 

I like that your being active and participating, makes me lean town on you. 

Bold: I can see why it appeared that way. I saw the same things others saw and came to the same conclusion. 

 

 

Lol Des.  You can't ask me to evaluate the scumminess of a statement without asking me to examine the intent of the statement.  And since Darthe was vague, that means speculating and provisionally putting words in his mouth.

 

As for townies being equally likely to call Darthe out for the vote change as scum, that's not true at all.  Most townies tend to look for things that are actually scummy, not things that they don't understand.  Scum look for anything that is not easily understood as pro-town and can therefore be built into a case.

 

Also, as for linking myself to Darthe, that's dog crap.  I'm just calling out garbage where I see it.  So far, the only things I've said about Darthe's alignment are that I picked up a couple town tells from him.  I have a slight town read on him.  On D1.

Bold: That makes sense. 

Underlined: That I don't agree with. You can speculate why you think they did it, but they them give their own reasons as your not them and don't know why the did or didn't do something.

Blue: It is true. In scum hunting a townie should be looking at everything and anything that stands out. 

 

 

Speaking of which how many people has Des voted already?

 

Turin. Joke vote.

Checking in!

 

Vote Turin

 

Cause he's prob already tunneling me.

 

Early fishing vote

Bolded=buddying. First actual ping of the game. Let's start here.

 

Unvote, Vote Wombat

Scummy csarmi vote

 

My opinion is that when you're town, you tend to hurt town more than help it.

1. Coming from you, this is freaking hilarious. There's a reason your play gets compared to EP and Ley a bunch.

 

2. Just wildly untrue. I almost never lose as town, and when I do it's usually cause I was NK'ed early.

 

 

4. I don't even think you believe this.

 

Unvote, Vote Fishlami.

OMGUS amega vote

I'm FAR more often town than scum. It must be Darthe or Cloud you're thinking of, those dudes are ALWAYS mafia.

 

And you just started playing again after like, a year hiatus. Small sample size alert?

 

Also could be fake imo. Plus it's a nudge. Me no likee nudges.

 

Vote Amega.

A reasoned vote on Darthe

What what WHAT?

 

That's like the scummiest thing Ive ever heard you say Day 1.

 

And you're Darthe.

 

Unvote, Vote Darthe

Not to mention hundreds of nudges in between.

 

He isn't town. Nope.

 

vote Des

We got a bus vote over here

 

What makes you think that? What makes you feel like hes scum? Please share your thoughts.

 

 

 

 

 

And he used obfuscating!

 

Omg so scummy. He is clearly trying to talk over our heads and look intelligent to make us think we need him.

 

So scummy.

 

So very scummy.

Darthe, when players are passive-aggressive and use it to try and discredit someone's case rather than responding to it, would you view that as scummy?

If someone had a reasonable case rather than a load of crock that they repeated until the dumber masses followed it I might care enough to axtually challenge their views. As things stand I am not worried nor was I. Ive said it a hundted times now, Des doesnt yet know how to play thus game like those whose names are remembered around here. It isnt a matter of his ability, it is in how he uses it and how well he can perform critical analysis.

 

FTP, saying something multiple times anx then pushing people to repeat it is not a high level skill. All that it ever convinces are newbies, skimmers, and people who dont have the ability to critically think. Why would I eved be threatened by that or waste my time catering to it? I would much rather find mafia in a logical and concise manner. If you need proof of this examine the last ten or so times that Des and I playdd together. Other than the few times that he annoyed me to the point that I dealt with him Ive done this exact same thing and HE is the one who ends up dead for it. Because that sort of play cant hold up over time withiut incriminating the one driving it. Because he plays to beliefs rather than logical conclusions. Because he never backs away when he thinks he is wrong.

 

That is a long answer that should finally precisely answer your question.

 

TLDR I dont view Des as a threat because his views dont hold water

 

The bold actually makes me feel better about Darthe. Can't explain it real well, but something about it feels like his town self to me. I still don't like the comment about going back to voting Mish if he got more heat over unvoting her and then not explaining it. Esp since he basically said he didn't find her scummy anymore. Darthe: Why use those words? Why would that make you move your vote back to her? I'm confused about Darthe now tbh. This above post feels like he could be town, but the Mish revote comment, and then the bus comment on Pral with no reasoning on why he thinks Pral is scum makes me think less likely town.

 

I'm hoping he'll explain his actions further and answer my questions.

[peacesells]

unvote

 

vote tglems

[keyholder21]

 

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Darthe (2) - Despo, Kaylee

Despo (5) - Darthe. Turin, Wombat, Amega, Pral

TG (6) - Mish, Tommy, Leno, AJ, Hallia, peace

Lenlo (1) - TG

 

Not Voting (2) - Dap, BFG

 

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

 

 

Deadline: http://www.timeandda...sg=End of Day 1

[Kaylee]

unvote

 

vote tglems

Reason?

[Tommyrod]

Interesting vote progression in this game. Didn't expect the Des wagon to grow like that. Should be good info there later. Still think both he and Darthe are >rand to be town and TG is the best lynch. Mish, care to hammer that point home since you were first on him? Or perhaps the ever eloquent Peace can build a fresh case to finally bury him?

 

Pral, I saw you came back, mind making a list of your current would lynch / would not lynch players so I can get a better idea of what you've got going on in your brain?

 

More tonight.

[Andrej]

unvote; vote Pral

 

There's a lot of content that I've missed but some pretty good stuff to read through. I'm reconsidering my read on TG after my previous post that he answered some of my questions pretty well after restating his thought process. What Darthe says is true in a way of Despo. I personally don't think he is scum this game based on how he is adding anyone who counters him to his wolf-list, but generally I find myself unsure of his play. I don't agree with most of his points but I've noticed Despo kind of has a way of only seeing things from his perspective when it comes to what he considers scummy. Pral's recap of his posts with literally 0 analysis except to call each of his vote changes scummy is suspect and looks like an easy way to jump onto the lead wagon. I'm still not liking Dap this game. Ducking out comments aside, I find most of his posts lacking any real content. His OP contains him saying all the current wagons at the time to be odd, but with no explanation why. His last post was basically just an agreement with what other people have said where he states he finds both Darthe and TG scummy without really expressing why. I'm also uncomfortable with how he is allowing Despo to buddy up to him without calling him on it when in the last game we played together he was quick to call out another player for a joke vote as a form of buddying him. I would be comfortable with voting either of these two atm.

 

@Mish - do you still find TG scummy?

@Kaylee - who else would you consider voting for since you don't seem able to reconcile your read on Darthe?

[Kaylee]

I need to look back to answer that AJ. Going to start that now, but may not be able to finish until tomorrow.

[peacesells]

unvote; vote Pral

 

 

 

 

I find the timing of this unvote on Tglems very suspicious. 

[Kaylee]

My reads so far...

 

1. Peace - Getting a town vibe. He mentions things that stand out to him and votes accordingly. The only question I have here is Peace, why the vote on TG? Looking back over your posts I don't see a reason for that vote.

 

2. Turin - Being vocal on things happening. His initial ping on Despo seems like a stretch. I'll add in the quote. 

 

Thinks Darthe is town partly because he thinks he knows why Darthe made the comment that has others questioning Darthe. He thinks Despo is scum because he thinks Darthe made a slip? That I don't get as Despo wasn't the only one to think so. 

 

Then this quote...

 

And here is what Despo had actually said..

 

So he is misrepresenting him.

 

I'd like to hear more from him, but leaning null to slight scum atm.

 

3. Despo - Since Darthe made his questionable statement Despo's been consistent on it and explained why he feels that way. That feels like town Despo to me. He gave thoughts on players which is always nice to reference. Is he tunneling on Darthe? Yes, but at least he's going after who he finds scummiest to him. His response to Wombat's case against him, or at least Wombat's reasons why Despo is voting Darthe, feels genuine to me. He's standing his ground. Leaning town.

 

4. Mish - I felt her asking them not to argue on thread was warranted and honest from her. She votes TG for his TMI and she doesn't like that he deleted his post. She later defend's her reasons for voting TG after being questioned on it.

 

Here's her post...

 

 

Her response makes me lean town on her.

 

5. AJ - Starts off voting Darthe and explaining why. Good reasoning and questions to him. Gives reads on a few players. He's not a fan on the recent votes on Darthe (myself and TG). Agrees with Tommy that Darthe's train might be a mislynch waiting to happen. The problem I have with that is his reason for unvoting Darthe.

 

Here's the post...

 

Bold: says it was Mish's tone that changed Darthe's mind about her. Sure, but that doesn't explain Darthe saying if he got more heat he'd re-vote Mish. Considering when AJ first asked Darthe about it it wasn't for unvoting Mish, but for re-vote comment. So how does this unvote match? 

 

He then votes TG for his town claim is different that VT claim comment and for TG agreeing with Despo's case against AJ yet instead votes the larger train which was Darthe. He then likes TG's response. His last post he unvote TG and vote Pral. He rehashes why he unvoted TG. Says he's voting Pral for his recap with 0 analysis and that it looks like an easy way to join the leading wagon.  Leaning scum atm due to his weird switch on Darthe and his re-explaining of his change of heart on TG feels like overkill. 

 

6. Amega - Starts off agreeing with Des about his calling Wombat buddying, calls him logical and calm. Then he votes Des for adding Turin to his list of suspects after Turin comments about Des. Amega says Des is scummy or playing in a way that doesn't help town. That's about it. leaning scum for  his comment about Des being scummy or playing in a way that doesn't help town.  Which is it Amega? Is he scummy? What makes you think so or is just what Turin said?

 

I'll have to do the rest tomorrow. Out of time for today.

 

[Andrej]

That's cool. Are you convinced he's scum? I'm not.

[BFG]

Peace - Good feeling on Peace.  I agree that the Despo/Csarmageddon thingy could've easily distracted town for D1.  I actually have a better feeling about AJ because of Csarmi bailing instead of staying.

 

Turin - Spammy memes again, OR SO I THOUGHT.  Continuing through the thread he actually put up a nice little analysis.  I didn't see TG's post before it changed, so I can't speak for or against it.  Disagree about Csarmi's reaction being kneejerk though, he is always quick to do any kind of claiming.

 

Mish - I applaud you woman, and I agree with that post!  I didn't see it as mediating either, it was more just trying to shake the bejesus out of those two.  One question; you mentioned people using buzzwords.  What constitutes a buzzword, and why is it a bad thing?

 

Despo - One day I'll be able to read you >.<

 

Amega - Nudged at Despo being mafia again, then went bye-bye; come baaack!

 

Me: Town 

 

Darthe - The whole Mish comment made no sense at all, and neither have his retorts.  One of my top two scum reads.

 

Kaylee - Going along with the flow

 

 

BFG - Not super talkative, but engaging with questions and commentary so I'm leaning town.

 

TG - My other top scum pick.  Said he'd call out Despo if his play wasn't consistent, but reading through Des seems fine to me, then he engaged in more sniping at  people, and voted Darthe, then his silly OMGSUS vote on Len was just awful.

 

Anyone not listed I haven't been able to get a real opinion on.  Be happy to switch between the two.

 

Vote TGlems

What are your opinions on Turin, Amega, Mish, Des and Kaylee? Your reads on them look more like commentaries about their content rather than actual opinions.

[Andrej]

^ That was to Peace.

 

Kaylee - I don't understand your statement about how my vote and unvote of Darthe don't match up. I voted him originally for the way he unvoted for reasons I couldn't discern based on the reply Mish gave him. His point on linking is a valid one, if a bit premature. I didn't have issue with the fact he said it, I had issue with what he was insinuating with it because I took it to mean that he was referring to me at the time.

[BFG]

Regarding TG's deleted post, I think I thought at the time that it was something they were discussing in PM. I need to reread to see if Mish has a point about TGs changing reaction to the post.

[Hallia]

Turin - Unsure, but leaning town for now.  Although I disagree with him on one point I like that he's making real effort.

Amega - Unsure leaning scum - Need to hear more from him, but I don't like the way he just nudged, didn't vote, and then vanished.

Mish - I have a town read on her for now.

Des  - I can't read him >.<

Kaylee - Although she is going along with the flow, she explained herself after I posted this, so I'm willing to lean town a ways with her so far.

[michellem]

@Mish - do you still find TG scummy?

Still voting him aren't I? ;)

[peacesells]

AJ keeps looking worse.

[amegakure]

im still here. Sorry about lurking i just havent seen anything worth mentioning im pretty much always looking at new posts though. And what exactly was my nudge at despo again?

[keyholder21]

Official Vote Count:

Darthe (2) - Despo, Kaylee
Despo (5) - Darthe. Turin, Wombat, Amega, Pral
TG (5) - Mish, Tommy, Leno, Hallia, peace
Lenlo (1) - TG

Pral (1) - AJ

Not Voting (2) - Dap, BFG

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.


Deadline: http://www.timeandda...sg=End of Day 1 

[Tommyrod]

1.  Your case was awful.  And the part about Darthe backtracking was at least as big a part of it as him saying he might switch back.

 

2.  It is that you didn't understand him.  You saw him saying he would change his vote but didn't know why and you assumed the scummiest possible motivation.  That's called bias.  And then you go on to confirm my first criticism against your case by continuing to push the backtrack aspect which is allegedly a minor part of the case.

 

3.  No Des, you asked me to tell you why I didn't think Darthe saying that specific thing was scummy.  That requires explaining the statement and how I interpreted it.  And you have no idea what towntells I saw.

 

 

I retract my town read on Turin. Add him to the list of wolves.

 

Also, if you could elaborate on this, that would be nice.  Because right now, it just looks like knee-jerk retaliation.

 

 

Wombat's posting got a little better today; more pointed, less fluffy. Sounds like he actually believes what he's saying.

 

she did! It was a Turrrrible analysis of her she said

 

I don't remember a single thing this guy has said or done. 

 

 

Amega youre now added to my hate list. For the last time, IMA DOOD you numbskull.

 

If you refer to me as female one more time, I will literally spend the rest of my entire mafia career ensuring you die as quickly as possible in every game. I can only assume you are doing so to try to get under my skin cause Darthe told you in scumchat if you get under my skin it throws me off my game. It won't work.

 

Wombat, you are straight up deliberately obfuscating.

 

You really need to calm down if you want people to listen to you. You're having a crisis of rhetoric at the moment; I'll elaborate in a bit.

 

Contrived? No. Pointless? Maybe.

It was at a time when the game was not even properly started. Although, it is good that you pointed it out. Getting a town feel on you.

 

Most of the people went for the easy-prey Csarmi.

Des did. TGlems did, although he deleted that post, I think.

 

Darthe and Amega went after Des though, for similar responses.

 

I bet a couple of scum are lying in these names.

 

If you had to rank them, how would you order those players from scummiest to least? I want more gutspill from you so I can discern your alignment. I asked for a list of reads earlier, please get back to moi.

 

How about the fact TG was posting and being happy from after he made his post, until he started getting heat for it, Then suddenly he felt awful bad about and removed it after he got heat for it and then said it was because he'd used something from outside this game. Since I have no way of knowing if that is true, I'm gonna treat it as gameplay. Just like I would if someone made a suspect post and then the day after, after getting said, said "oh I was drinking yesterday I don't even remember writing that lol". If it's in this thread, it's gamepplay and I will think what I will of it. I don't think TG would do something like that; I think it's easier to try and blame it on bad form and try to escape the heat. And even if his first post was about something outside this game... Why remove the whole thing when getting heat instead of just saying "yeah, my bad, I messed up". Removing it looks really, really bad, and if you can't see that, well that's your problem.

 

 

And lol, I didn't unvote. My vote is still on him mister.

 

Your continued defense of him and hounding of me over it is duely noted though ;) As is you wiggling away from trying to find proper proof about me "hiding behind AtE" when you accuse me of it.

 

Sorely tempted to move my vote over to you now. And I guess you'll use that as the ultimate proof of that I'm mafia, since everyone who FoS'es you this game has ended up on your mafia list.

 

I already had a town read on Mish for pushing the same likely scum as me, but this post also helps. Taking hard stances, following up on suspicions, developing associations. The point about TG deleting his post is one that didn't really matter to my side of the argument, but is still a valid reason to suspect TG if all the rest wasn't already enough.

 

Speaking of which how many people has Des voted already?

 

Turin. Joke vote.

 

 

Early fishing vote

 

 

Scummy csarmi vote

 

 

OMGUS amega vote

 

 

A reasoned vote on Darthe

 

 

Not to mention hundreds of nudges in between.

 

He isn't town. Nope.

 

vote Des

 

This was pretty weak; I think we all need to have a chat about what is and is not scummy behavior, because there's a lot of stuff flying around in this thread that shouldn't have left the ground (including a lot of what Des has said is scummy). Like I said above, a developed reads list from you would be nice. 

 

Nothing new here. I was inactive on the weekend like I am all weekend.

 

Alright, well: you're here now. So? 

 

 

Pral's joke? Was that supposed to be a joke? They went back and forth like 5 times and he hasn't done anything substantive.

 

As to Pral, now he's back so why don't you ask him if he was joking around or not?   In fact, Pral, were you joking around when  you asked CS if he was town?

 

 

Peace, Turin, Mish, Wombat, Amega, BFG lock town.

 

Des, Len, one of TG/AJ lock scum.

 

The rest of you need to step your game up.  

 

You may as well go ahead and bookmark this post for endgame.

 

Care to explain any of those reads? 

 

Darthe - The whole Mish comment made no sense at all, and neither have his retorts.  One of my top two scum reads.

 

TG - My other top scum pick.  Said he'd call out Despo if his play wasn't consistent, but reading through Des seems fine to me, then he engaged in more sniping at  people, and voted Darthe, then his silly OMGSUS vote on Len was just awful.

 

Anyone not listed I haven't been able to get a real opinion on.  Be happy to switch between the two.

 

Bolded is gross.  First Hally basically repeats what has already been said and then she says she'll happily help lynch whoever. 

 

 

MODS, did you ask TG to delete his post? I saw that they asked Despo to remove the profanity thingy that replaced his gif(another good reason to spoiler the things)

 

No, they didn't ask me to.

 

Salami - I don't care about him claiming town, claiming town is null obv in mafia, and even more so in Salami's case since he does so every game right when he joins usually. What I called him out about was his LD response to a simple "Are you town?" question.

 

Go back through and check every single one of CSarmi's games.  He has never once early claimed town as scum that I've ever seen.  However, when he is town, he has done it often.  From anybody else, I'd take it with a grain of salt, but not from him with his history.

 

 

Seems like you're still concerned with self preservation rather than scumhunting. Who are you going after right now? Still on Darthe? Has he gotten more scummy to you since his last series of stream-of-consciousness posts? Is he still the scummiest player ITT to you? Because he looks to have improved in terms of genuine posting.

 

Des used the word inextricably.

 

Des, stop using big words to try and look smart. If it has more than five letters you shouldnt say it.

 

 

And he used obfuscating!

 

Omg so scummy. He is clearly trying to talk over our heads and look intelligent to make us think we need him.

 

So scummy.

 

So very scummy.

 

You realize this isn't gonna get him off your back, right? I don't think it's too much to ask you to contribute meaningfully, and your list of "bookmark this for when I'm dead" reads doesn't count. You didn't give us any thought process to follow to understand how you arrived at those conclusions, and you're becoming a target for that. Why you don't seem to care is beyond me, but it's annoying. 

 

If someone had a reasonable case rather than a load of crock that they repeated until the dumber masses followed it I might care enough to axtually challenge their views. As things stand I am not worried nor was I. Ive said it a hundted times now, Des doesnt yet know how to play thus game like those whose names are remembered around here. It isnt a matter of his ability, it is in how he uses it and how well he can perform critical analysis.

 

FTP, saying something multiple times anx then pushing people to repeat it is not a high level skill. All that it ever convinces are newbies, skimmers, and people who dont have the ability to critically think. Why would I eved be threatened by that or waste my time catering to it? I would much rather find mafia in a logical and concise manner. If you need proof of this examine the last ten or so times that Des and I playdd together. Other than the few times that he annoyed me to the point that I dealt with him Ive done this exact same thing and HE is the one who ends up dead for it. Because that sort of play cant hold up over time withiut incriminating the one driving it. Because he plays to beliefs rather than logical conclusions. Because he never backs away when he thinks he is wrong.

 

That is a long answer that should finally precisely answer your question.

 

TLDR I dont view Des as a threat because his views dont hold water

 

Darthe's actually got a point here: Des is burning the candle at both ends ITT and is making himself an easier target by calling every single thing that he disagrees with scummy. Des: knock it off. That's not the way to build consensus, and it's not the way to get people to listen to you. "My way or the highway" isn't gonna work in a game with such strong personalities, and people seem to be sick of your attitude. It's gonna make it hard to tell whether you're getting scum rushed or just pissing off townies. 

 

 

We got a bus vote over here

 

Your cognitive thought process is inextricably ambiguous

 

 

Got time for jokes but not for reads? 

 

Lol is this a serious question?

 

Yeah, this seemed like TG posting just for the sake of looking like he's in the thread. Least convincing question / FOS ever. 

 

The people currently voting for Des: if you're town, your vote is likely best served elsewhere. Like TG, for example. And Des, you can probably find someone who is scummier than Darthe if you take your blinders off and look around the entire thread.