Rand's Retirement Home

[RandA lThor]

right, so you want love to the people who brutally murdered thousands of people, betrayed everyone who believed in them, turned to the Dark because someone was better then them? :P

[Elan Tedronai]

yep pretty much

 

in the wheel of time everyone has a dirty side. i choose to love those with the dirtiest side more!

 

:D

[RandA lThor]

by that, i guess that you love padan fain and moghedien

[Jaedan_edhel]

<Arrgh - the quotes are becoming too much>

 

I love the idea of both Black and White Tower being hunted. It would be more interesting to see them have to go underground or struggle to survive against persecution than it would for them merely to struggle to regain any political power or influence. There's a number of ways such a storyline might turn out; the only 'acceptable' Ajah being yellow; the Children of Light being given full license to hunt them (maybe their only purpose becoming the eradication of Aes Sedai and Asha'man) and only Andor (if Elayne is queen) being safe.

 

I'd be happy to see Tuon die and the Seanchan destroyed (I hate the idea of slavery in any form; the Aiel rules, to me are... hmmm, maybe OK, until they started taking non-Aiel).

 

Mat isn't my favourite character. He's interesting and I don't dislike him, but while I might weep for others, I'd probably shrug and get over his death.

 

But some of the Forsaken have to survive, I think. Although there may never be more novels set in the WoT world, I wouldn't like to see all potential for them gone.

[FarShainMael]

Especially when you start getting error messages about 'unbalanced quote tags'!! Stupid machine..

[MountaineerWV]

Rand isn't a teacher. When has he ever shown himself to teach anyone? His schools are ran by scholars. The Black Tower by Taim. Even when he had Asha'men, he barely taught them anything. Ok - so he had other duties, but I just don't see him leaning that way.

 

He will retire. What use is there for the Dragon after the Last Battle? That's his purpose. Not to rule the world. A quiet retirement.

 

I don't think Rand will go back to the Two Rivers. He doesn't really have any ties to the TR. Tam's farm is int he Westwood, fairly isolated. Tam can pack up and move wherever Rand lands. He has no other family in the TR.

 

I think it has to fit in line with his epiphany. That and the only other 'family' Rand has is Nynaeve. She has been the mother figure in his life. So I think he will end up where Nynaeve ends up - and yes, Tam could easily be there also. That leads to Malkier and the Blight.

 

The Aiel will return to the Way of the Leaf. As we saw in the AoL, Aiel were involved in caring for the land.

 

Rand and the Aiel will have a hand in reclaiming the Blight.

[bsmnt23]

The Aiel wont return to the Way of the Leaf, this series is about going forward, not trying to return to the past. The Fortelling by..someone "... the Last Battle done, but the world not done with battle..." means that there is still going to be a steady buisness for the Aiel blacksmiths for the forseable future. I think they will be the ones to enforce the "Dragon's Peace" that Rand will set up at the FoM. He had lerft them out of the agreement in Avi's vision, but what better purpose for them?

[Maleshub]

The Aiel wont return to the Way of the Leaf, this series is about going forward, not trying to return to the past. The Fortelling by..someone "... the Last Battle done, but the world not done with battle..." means that there is still going to be a steady buisness for the Aiel blacksmiths for the forseable future. I think they will be the ones to enforce the "Dragon's Peace" that Rand will set up at the FoM. He had lerft them out of the agreement in Avi's vision, but what better purpose for them?

 

Enforcing the Dragon's Peace would be a very neat purpose. And so would helping reclaim-rebuild the Blight (Malkier included) as well as cleansing the Blight (it will take decades to kill off all Shadowspawn up there). And they still have the 3-fold land to build and make a center of Aiel civilization. Rhuidean could rival Tar Valon if the Aiel put their minds to it.

[bobarose]

he will move to the island of madman to help them come out of the dark ages.they will still be a danger to the world without proper training.

[MountaineerWV]

he will move to the island of madman to help them come out of the dark ages.they will still be a danger to the world without proper training.

 

While a fascinating idea, I don't think it will happen. Now that the Taint is cleansed, it is only a matter of time before the insane male OP users all die off. Basically from this point forward a civilization is able to develop without outside help.

[Vardar]

I think that, if Rand lives, he would retire to the Black Tower, whether it remains in Andor, or re-locates. I think he would create a 'new mission' for hismelf, to ensure the Black Tower became some sort of guard over the World (over the World, I stress, not a Big Brother over the people). Or perhaps he would try to make it a true partner and equivalent to the White Tower, only I feel his approach would be different.

 

I also think that, perhaps initially, he would try to settle back in the Two Rivers, but would be in a 'Frodo' situation - he may have saved Two Rivers and everything he cares about, but couldn't find peace there himself.

 

 

i have got some bad news. There wont be any black tower. Certainly not one in andor. It will vapourised in a maelstrom of fury and blood. Rand's mission ends at shayol ghul.

 

Logain will assume the rest of the aftermath

 

Do you agree with me that the white tower was torn in half?

Did the Seanchan attack involve fire and blood?

Are the sisters currently in the black tower destroying it?

 

After all, we only know the black tower will be rent in fire and blood, and sisters will walk its grounds. Unless I misremember the prophecy Elaida gave. But if that's really all, well, the White Tower is still alive.

 

The white tower sistuation is completely different. It was an outside attack from an enemy.

 

The black tower situation is completely different. Half the folks in there are darkfriends. The leader is a new age chosen. Aes sedai and ashaman are being turned in equal measures.

 

Big difference. The inhabitants are at war themselves. The black tower days are numbered.

 

It's not half. Not nearly half.

[Suttree]

It's not half. Not nearly half.

 

At the BT itself? There are a ton of Ashaman out in the field but when looking at what is going on specifically at the BT?

[MountaineerWV]

It's not half. Not nearly half.

 

At the BT itself? There are a ton of Ashaman out in the field but when looking at what is going on specifically at the BT?

 

Are there any threads speculating on the number of Darkfriends or turned Asha'men in the Black Tower?

 

I think I remember that damn near every Asha'man is turned - at least 100 from Taim's private group. I don't recall if Dedicated or Soldiers were mentioned.

 

Maybe a half is to large of an estimate...but at least a third would not surprise me.

[FarShainMael]

It's not half. Not nearly half.

 

At the BT itself? There are a ton of Ashaman out in the field but when looking at what is going on specifically at the BT?

 

Are there any threads speculating on the number of Darkfriends or turned Asha'men in the Black Tower?

 

I think I remember that damn near every Asha'man is turned - at least 100 from Taim's private group. I don't recall if Dedicated or Soldiers were mentioned.

 

Maybe a half is to large of an estimate...but at least a third would not surprise me.

 

I don't find this at all likely. We have this from RJ :

 

"...a circle of thirteen Aes Sedai and thirteen Myrddraal can convert someone to the Shadow. It is not an easy situation to set up; in fact it's a very difficult situation to set up. It has to be worth the effort, you don't go to all of this effort to just convert anyone. In fact it might be better for your plans to manipulate someone against their will than as a willing ally."

 

In view of that, I really can't see mass turnings happening.

[Daniel Al'Thor]

I think he'll take up his Crown of Swords, and try to leave a positive imprint on the world. Granted I've only just finished TGS, but that seemed like a something he was struggling with the entire book.

[Vardar]

It's not half. Not nearly half.

 

At the BT itself? There are a ton of Ashaman out in the field but when looking at what is going on specifically at the BT?

 

Not sure if you're agreeing with me or not, but anyway: Yes, half is way too many. Taim's private group has less than 100 right? I'd have to break out my books to check, but I thought there were like 30-50 people in his little palace. I mean I'm sure the two rivers put out a bunch of men, and none of them went over. I think the corruption would be less than a third or a quarter. Including DFs and those turned.

[Siswai_Dar]

It's not half. Not nearly half.

 

At the BT itself? There are a ton of Ashaman out in the field but when looking at what is going on specifically at the BT?

 

Not sure if you're agreeing with me or not, but anyway: Yes, half is way too many. Taim's private group has less than 100 right? I'd have to break out my books to check, but I thought there were like 30-50 people in his little palace. I mean I'm sure the two rivers put out a bunch of men, and none of them went over. I think the corruption would be less than a third or a quarter. Including DFs and those turned.

 

no there were about a hundred ashaman when pevara and her friends walked into the palace, and Androl and his friend said they were very few of them, so I actually think that more than half of the BT are DF or were turned- or at least all the ashaman are (which is basically the same because they are more experienced with the OP than soldiers and dedicated)

 

as to Rand... he's one of my favorite characters (obviously) and there's nothing i want more than for him to survive but I believe death is the most merciful thing for him (he himself said in TGS "I'm dry, like an overused well"-and you can bet he will be downright exhausted after SG)

besides, if rand will live through TG the series won't really be over, we'll always wonder about his life and won't be able to "put WOT to rest" and sometimes the best ending and the most realistic one is the best

[Suttree]

It's not half. Not nearly half.

 

At the BT itself? There are a ton of Ashaman out in the field but when looking at what is going on specifically at the BT?

 

Not sure if you're agreeing with me or not, but anyway: Yes, half is way too many. Taim's private group has less than 100 right? I'd have to break out my books to check, but I thought there were like 30-50 people in his little palace. I mean I'm sure the two rivers put out a bunch of men, and none of them went over. I think the corruption would be less than a third or a quarter. Including DFs and those turned.

 

Think it has been shown quite clearly that you need to break back out the books at this point.

 

KoD

Perhaps a hundred men in black coats were standing to either side of the room. Every man she could see wore the sword and the dragon, men with hard faces, leering faces, cruel faces.

 

If we are only counting the BT half would be low balling the number. Logain's supporters are outnumbered at this point.

[Luckers]

And that hundred is an increase from the CoT statement, so it may well have grown in tGS and TofM

[Adam L Fuqua]

I don't know where he will go but I don't think that he will abandon the world. He knows too much and has a strong sense of duty. He has too many possible outcomes. Min's viewing of the Inn with the Dragon's Fang could lead him back to the TR but it could be anywhere in the world. His post TG future is entirely too wide open.

[Kestrel]

Rand is going to live, but he won't be going very far. He's going to sacrifice himself and transform into an eternal living seal to hold the bore shut.

 

 

But before he loses all semblance of recognizable humanity, Aviendha will Travel to him and conceive those four babes. Since she and Rand will do the deed while holding the OP to bursting, the kids will be born permanently holding the Power.

 

[FarShainMael]

It's just possible that Avi is already pregnant by Rand from their encounter in TFoH31 - but her pregnancy is 'on hold' due to something called embryonic diapause. Some mammals in the Real World use it to time birth for favourable environmental conditions. The conditions in the Waste are pretty harsh, so it's not unreasonable that this should be able to occur among the Aiel.

[Lisa Campbell]

I think he'll go with the Ogier when they open the Book of Translation. Not immdediately though, there's still a ton of stuff for him to sort out first.

[Suttree]

I think he'll go with the Ogier when they open the Book of Translation. Not immdediately though, there's still a ton of stuff for him to sort out first.

 

Don't you think that would be a bit too Tolkeinesque? RJ wanted to start us out in a familiar place in EoTW but to end that way as well?

[snooze1128]

I don't think Rand will live past the Last Battle, but if he does, I think a Stedding is the only place I could see him living.