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one word....Asmodean..... ;-)

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Inches are HUGE. We argue over more trivial stuff than this all the time. :lol:

 

Where Asmo actually was is important insofar as it determines what could be seen and heard and from what directions and distances it could be discerned.

 

Whether the door opened in or out is equally important for the same reasons.

... He pulled open a small door...

So, the door opened outward. Sight and sound would have been blocked or at least impaired in one direction. Which one? The direction he'd been heading or the direction he'd come from??? No clue.

 

One crucial question that we're all overlooking stems from one of Jordan's quotes on the subject - the DO couldn't transmigrate Asmo because of how he died and where he died.

 

How alone wasn't enough. Where alone wasn't enough. It was only the combination of the two factors that made it impossible.

 

The weakest use of Balefire that we've seen was that used by Moiraine to kill Bel'al. It put his soul out of the DO's reach, and Bel'al is one character we will never see again. So, Balefire, as the how, doesn't work. Balefire alone would have made transmigration impossible. Thus, Asmo wasn't killed using Balefire.

 

So, where Asmo really was when he died becomes pretty crucial. Was he even still in the palace? What or where did that door really access?

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That quote is pretty heavily disputed...although admittedly that's probably as much because it puts a major kink in all the Graendal theories as anything else.

 

Given that though, the people arguing for Graendal more or less dismiss that quote, and are basing their conclusions on the idea that the murder happened in the "real" world. The fact that we know the door opened into the room from which Asmo started doesn't really tell us anything without knowing everyone else's positioning relative to the door, which we don't. If Mat and Avi are facing the opposite direction with the fountain between them and Asmo (for example) then the door could have been hinged on the top, forcing Asmo to step well back to give it room, leaving him still completely in the courtyard after one step and they would still be none the wiser. According to Rand's PoV as he's watching them, Mat and Avi are engrossed in conversation, and Asmo's PoV tells us they weren't paying attention to him. It's doubtful they even realized he left, and possible they didn't realize he was there to start with. It doesn't require defining Asmo's position to the inch to explain why nobody saw him die.

 

Add to that the fact that we have no idea of the shape of the courtyard or what other trees, bushes, sculptures, furniture, columns might be present there. There's an infinite number of things that could obstruct the view of any potential witness even if Asmo is still fully on the courtyard side of the door. All these variables make it trivial to argue over how far one step could take him.

 

Edit: Even if you accept the quote it's still trivial. If you accept that then, somehow Asmo's one step took him...somewhere not in the palace. Which side of the doorway he's physically on in that case still means nothing because obviously it was far enough to take him to a place where his soul couldn't be retrieved, because of the effect where he died had on how he died.

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That quote is pretty heavily disputed...although admittedly that's probably as much because it puts a major kink in all the Graendal theories as anything else.

It puts a much bigger kink into random DF or random other character that's not a channeler. Graendal would know of transmigration and possibly ways to prevent it, but I don't think we have anything on screen that would make her want to kill Asmo in some manner that prevents being his being ressed.

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Guest Egwene

:D YEEES!!! I don't know who... but someone added a vote for Moiraine 8)

 

*goes back to work with a whistle*

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Graendal cuz other then her scenes with other forsaken we havent seen anything of her, if you think on it shes actually hide in the shadows more then moghedien though she's alot more willing ot take a risk admittedly.

 

 

i'm praying she was spying on Rand/removing evidence of her alliance with Rahvin.

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I just decided to brave this forum, so I read three of the 129 pages (!!!) and then voted--Aviendha did it. :shock:

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the light have mercy upon ur soul

 

 

i didn't make it past the first page though i did read this last one XD

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Guest Egwene

lol... I don't think anyone will read through all of the pages *g*

 

...but, voting is easy! So keep at it! Especially if you think Moiraine did it *g* :wink:

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I totally agree with you, Toy.

 

Maybe there should be an award for the longest post ever.But i dont't think it was Graendal..

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That quote is pretty heavily disputed...although admittedly that's probably as much because it puts a major kink in all the Graendal theories as anything else.

It puts a much bigger kink into random DF or random other character that's not a channeler. Graendal would know of transmigration and possibly ways to prevent it' date=' but I don't think we have anything on screen that would make her want to kill Asmo in some manner that prevents being his being ressed.[/quote']

 

Ummmm, where are you getting that, ct?

 

As of the end of FoH, NOBODY knows about transmigration. In the Prologue, Lanfear remarks that one of the reasons she didn't kill Asmo when she had the chance is that death is final. Asmo, himself, as he's strolling toward that fateful door is thinking how Rahvin and Lanfear are both dead, and how glad he is of that, especially in Lanfear's case. How much he'll laugh when each of the others dies. He clearly believes, as does Lanfear at this point that death is final... as in, no coming back.

 

Graendal was NOT aware of transmigration, and could nor would have taken precautions against its possibility.

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Hmm, what if it was Thom Merilin, apperantly him and Moiraine were close to each other, and she could of told him a few secrets, because she knew who Asmodean really was...

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Haha, rediculous, and a waste of brain energy! I think last time I checked in was at pg. 113..you guys have gotten alot further. I think Robert Jordan will just leave all of you desperados out there hanging....just for the heck of it!

 

Loreia, the Lost One

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Guest Egwene

Thanks for whoever voted Moiraine :D

 

For those interested in statistics... this is the change in votes since the 13th of march

 

[ 181 ] [ 197 ]

[ 58 ] [ 60 ]

[ 32 ] [ 35 ]

[ 49 ] [ 53 ]

[ 28 ] [ 28 ]

[ 20 ] [ 21 ]

[ 53 ] [ 56 ]

 

Since the beginning of the year and 95 votes later, the percentage change has looked like this:

 

Graendal: +3%

Lanfear: -1%

Moiraine: no change

Shadar Haran: -1%

Moridin: no change

another forsaken (post your suggestion): -1%

anyone else (post your suggestion): -1%

 

Don't know why it does not add up to 100. Maybe something to do with the balefire incidents we had :roll:

 

Do keep voting...

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Don't know why it does not add up to 100.

 

The percentages are all being rounded down. For example, Graendal actually has something like 43.7% of total votes. The missing 2% is all the .somethings that were rounded off.

 

And now back to your regularly scheduled program.

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Guest Egwene

:lol: I suppose I should have guessed that, thanks for putting me out of my misery, Beckon :wink:

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Asmodean opened the door, took one step, and stopped, the blood draining from his face. There, in the small cubbyhole of a room, sat a man behind a desk. He was stout and bearded, with a face suited to smiling, though it did not do so now.

 

"You?" Asmodean stammered in his shock. This man could not possibly be here, now. Then he realised what the man was doing. Before him on the desk sat an impossible artifact from his own Age, an upright plate with a glowing window across it, and with it a board filled with keys marked with different letters and functions. The man held a finger precariously over the key marked 'delete'.

 

"No!" Asmodean shouted in despair, though he knew it was too late. The finger came down, and Asmodean ceased to be.

 

---

 

"Sorry, 'Modey," the man said to himself afterwards, his prey's screams still ringing in his ears, "But it was time for you to go. 'Hitchcock Moment', hmf!" he snorted derisively, then with a cheerful and slightly unhinged laugh, he went about plotting whom to blame his crime upon.

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No no, the library ter'angreal was there to hint at his own presence in the story! Robar Taj Ordan, of the Age of Legends, suvives into the Time of Rand and offs who he pleases to stir up havoc!

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