Elaida (Full Spoilers)

[Jemlin]

Unfortunately, as far as the unveiling of Aes Sedai secrets go, espeically traveling, we have some things against them:

 

1. The Sul'dam are MUCH better at controlling Damane than the Wonder Girls were.  Much more convincing and practiced.

 

2. Elaida was not the only Aes Sedai captured who knew how to travl, most likely, and all of them can be potentially broken.

 

3. The Seanchan actively try to adapt to battle, and they are aware now of Traveling.  If they have the single bit of hint that the caputured Aes Sedai can teach them this, they will not relent until it is learned.

 

[The Watcher and Wanderer]

Unfortunately, as far as the unveiling of Aes Sedai secrets go, espeically traveling, we have some things against them:

 

1. The Sul'dam are MUCH better at controlling Damane than the Wonder Girls were.  Much more convincing and practiced.

 

2. Elaida was not the only Aes Sedai captured who knew how to travl, most likely, and all of them can be potentially broken.

 

3. The Seanchan actively try to adapt to battle, and they are aware now of Traveling.  If they have the single bit of hint that the caputured Aes Sedai can teach them this, they will not relent until it is learned.

 

 

I agree.  The raid on the WT happened at the end of the TGS so I suspect that one of the things that will have to be dealt with in ToM is traveling Seanchan.

[The Fisher King]

One thing that I think was AWESOME was from something I learned from one of The Excellent Storm Leaders reports was that:

 

BRANDON felt like alot of FANS had forgotten that Fain had brushed her with The Dagger earlier in the series...

 

....IIIIII had been worried that BRANDON had forgotten that LOL!!!

 

Sure took me down a peg or six!!!

 

Brandon is AWESOME!!!

 

 

 

 

Fish

[ajfurst]

Mostly, because I don't think we have seen the dream of the line of women in dresses with serpent rings attacking the walls of the tower happen yet.  I think there will be another assault on the White Tower, this time with a combo of collared Aes Sedai, Wise Ones, and regular Damane =[

I don't expect it will be the situation in ToM, but I'd really like the attack to occur when one of

- the AS have returned with their Asha'man warders

- Logain is there with several Asha'man to arrange a meeting between Rand and Egwene

- Rand is there himself (knowing the Amyrlin's anger) and with Logain and other Asha'man

 

A scene where the Seanchan in their arrogance think after a successful raid they can crush the AS with a full assault only to run into the first combined Saidin/Saidar battle force (I exclude the Cleansing as a small scale defensive action) and get their butts handed to them on a platter. Preferably one which ends with Fortuona in a collar and forced on the Oath Rod to swear to follow Rand. One can always hope. Followed by a scene where a released and shielded Elaida hears Rand tell everyone he is of the Royal Line of Andor and she throws herself off the top of the Tower in frustration at all the years wasted.  ;D

[emyali]

I despise Elaida strongly, but I dont believe that Elaida's role is ended by this capture, she wont be broken that easily.

 

what Elaida has done since being raised to the Amyrlin, made all of us forget how smart and powerful she used to be (she was the 1st novice raised to be accepted after only 3 years), she is also sooo self centered and sooo used for being in power position.

 

yes she destroyed the white tower, thats because of the grudge and ultimate envy & hatred she carries towards both Moiraine and Siuan since there entry, which is doupled after siuan's raising to be Amyrlin.

 

 

i think there is many plot lines Elaida can be put in, other than just being one additional damane.

 

its sure thing that other captured Aes sedai will consider her the main reason of their capturism, she will find herself in a situation where other Aes sedais openly despise her, and Seanchens look at her as a pet.

 

 

maybe after her real encounter with the seanchen she will admit to herself that they are the stronger side, and by knowing there prophecies she will interpret it to fit her situation (as she always do), she will convince herself that the seanchens are the only mean left to control the Dragon Reporn..

 

She and Fortuona have one thing in common, both believe strongly that Rand cannot be trusted, and he must be controlled.. maybe Elaida will be rapidly one of Tuon's damane, Elaida will consider herself an advisor to the empress, and ignore the reality that she is a damane (that will help her to not to be totally broken)

 

 

 

[Crael123]

She got what she deserved. can we move on now?  ;D I'm so glad her story line came to a close she pissed me off. maybe she will fall off a raken or something

[Bob T Dwarf]

Unfortunately I don't think Elaida's destructiveness has reached its end.

 

Think about her for a second.  How she thinks.  How she acts.

 

Now imagine Tuon meeting her.  Interacting with her.

 

If I were Tuon, I'd be even more convinced that all Aes Sedai must be collared.

[Aust]

You know, I had always imagined Siuan being the one to take down Elaida... but I think that her fate left me feeling a bit like I did after reading the (albeit debated) demise of Graendal. There was so much build up for both of them, and their ends were so shocking in their suddenness. I expected a more protracted finish to Elaida.

 

Although - I wonder if the taint she picked up from Pain will infect suspicion among the Seanchan - it seems reasonable to conclude that the taint was a part of what spread such division and infighting in the tower - indeed the tower could have ended up like Aridhol if Egwene hadn't put a stop to it all.

 

I had forgotten of the taint as well - I had always seen Elaida as the character I loved to hate and carried a measure of respect for her as she was formidable in many ways - but by this last book she was something else entirely and being reminded of that suddenly made everything make so much more sense.

[ed2funy]

i don't think her storyline has come to an end...

 

i think many hate her for what she did to the tower...

but she is just crazy and stupid...

 

 

i think she will come back by rescue of egwene/rand or both making a treaty with the Seanchan (one of the main points will be the realease of all damane captured on this side of the Aryth...maybe even all)....

and Elaida will realize how strong Egwene is and how she is a better Amrylin and person....she will submit to her and go into hiding unless Egwene does something with her like she did with Silviana....

[analyticalkeys]

I don't think Elaida will EVER come around.. the taint from the Mordeth dagger probably can't be removed, so her paranoia and nastiness will stay.

[Arani Lepenque Aes Sedai]

I don't think Elaida will EVER come around.. the taint from the Mordeth dagger probably can't be removed, so her paranoia and nastiness will stay.

 

I think it can.  Remember what Moiraine did to Mat in TEoTW when she discovered that he had the taint of Aridhol?

[emyali]

I don't think Elaida will EVER come around.. the taint from the Mordeth dagger probably can't be removed, so her paranoia and nastiness will stay.

 

Why the Taint cant be removed?

her case is so much more less severe than Mat's when he arrived the white tower.

but thats not the point

 

maybe by her paranoia and extreme despise & untrust towards Rand she will do something bad for further good without even knowing.

 

there is so many MAYBEs in Elaida's case, and i dont believe her role has come to an end yet.

 

[Ged]

The taint in Elaida is probably more advanced in its own way than what Mat was suffering from. Mordeth seems to have his own batch of powers, and his work on Elaida was intentional. This might be like trying to remove compulsion without knowing how.

 

As for Elaida leaking info on traveling. I think she just has to say "I will never show you the weave for traveling" and the Oath against lying will take care of the rest :)

 

I can't say I feel any compassion for Elaida's situation. Should be interesting to see how she handles it, although I personally think that showing Elaida again would be like beating a dog for the amusement value, and of not much greater value (then again, it might be amusing if Tuon tried to show the Amyrlin off to Rand)

 

... Traveling will make the Seanchan extremely dangerous, to more than just the White Tower or any other group... as dangerous to Rand and to the Asha'man. The stupidity of having all your eggs in one basket should come to cost the Asha'man as it did the Aes Sedai - and the Seanchan do have the male collars now.

[coteaz]

Im not 100% convinced that the seanchan will learn traveling straight away, it will happen yes, but it will take awhile, because traveling requires more than just the power to use, it requires knowing how to use it. Elaida will break fast, but it will be difficult to wring all this information out of her.

[analyticalkeys]

I don't think Elaida will EVER come around.. the taint from the Mordeth dagger probably can't be removed, so her paranoia and nastiness will stay.

 

Why the Taint cant be removed?

her case is so much more less severe than Mat's when he arrived the white tower.

but thats not the point

 

maybe by her paranoia and extreme despise & untrust towards Rand she will do something bad for further good without even knowing.

 

there is so many MAYBEs in Elaida's case, and i dont believe her role has come to an end yet.

 

 

 

Let me rephrase that.. not so much that it CAN'T be removed, but that it won't. I doubt Elaida even realizes what it's done to her, and no one is going to be around to point it out.. so I don't see any reason for it to disappear from her.

[Eleint]

I think people are giving Elaida a bit of a raw deal.  Yes, she's close-minded, bigoted, and thanks to Fain (to an extent) incredibly evil without realizing it.  But she still has goals.  I cannot see her willingly giving Travelling to the Seanchan.

 

With BS's quote that the raid was a 'success', they will probably get Travelling, but I think they will have to break Elaida first, and it won't be uber-easy. I could be wrong, though.

[lsm]

i think her part in the story is finished much like galina's

[jemron]

i think her part in the story is finished much like galina's

 

I hope you're right.

[lillcheese]

I think Elaida was more tainted than Mat ever was.  Moiraine said that he was fighting it with everything he had.  Mat wasn't by nature a suspicious/nasty guy pre-dagger.  Elaida on the other hand had plenty of nastiness in her for the taint to work on.  I wouldn't go so far as to say Healing her of it is impossible, but I think it would be much more difficult than Mat's Healing.

[jemron]

I think Elaida was more tainted than Mat ever was.  Moiraine said that he was fighting it with everything he had.  Mat wasn't by nature a suspicious/nasty guy pre-dagger.  Elaida on the other hand had plenty of nastiness in her for the taint to work on.  I wouldn't go so far as to say Healing her of it is impossible, but I think it would be much more difficult than Mat's Healing.

 

I think everyone is over-thinking Elaida's Fain encounter.  Yes, she was effected, but Mat had the frickin' dagger for months!  There is no way Elaida was as effected by her limited time with Fain was as Mat was by possessing the dagger.  Fain's influence pushed Elaida's already "evil" or "power loving" mind further in the wrong direction, but it didn't cause her to go completely paranoid like it did to Mat right before he was healed.  She started getting there, and maybe after more time she would have been even worse, but she was not as effected as Mat was, and I'm sticking to it!

[Calderis]

I think everyone is over-thinking Elaida's Fain encounter.  Yes, she was effected, but Mat had the frickin' dagger for months!  There is no way Elaida was as effected by her limited time with Fain was as Mat was by possessing the dagger.  Fain's influence pushed Elaida's already "evil" or "power loving" mind further in the wrong direction, but it didn't cause her to go completely paranoid like it did to Mat right before he was healed.  She started getting there, and maybe after more time she would have been even worse, but she was not as effected as Mat was, and I'm sticking to it!

 

Agreed. Fain nudge < Dagger possession

[lordofsoup]

i hate elaida, one of my least favorites along with faile.  i think that she is also a control freak, and fain only speed up the process of her attempted dictatorship

[Crael123]

When did eliada ever meet fain? what is this nonsense? i need to do some rereads of the early books.....

[ed2funy]

i think her part in the story is finished much like galina's

 

i don't think so...

we saw Galina's POV and it had a sense of finality to it....

 

Elaida wasn't mentioned...

 

Maybe in ToM, the story will backtrack and we will see her....

we will definitely see her from Tuon or a sul'dam POV....

 

no, even though she is a horrible leader and not so nice person...she will be back..

[Dakota]

As far as timeline goes, I think that the state of things at the end of TGS is probably just a few weeks, if not days, away from the Last Battle.  For all we know, the Last Battle might be fought, over, and done by the time the to'raken carrying Eladia even reaches Ebou Dar, or if it does get there in time, there probably wouldn't be enough time to break her and teach the weaves to the number of damane strong enough to travel.

 

Perhaps in the future of things that happen after the Last Battle and after the series is over, this might have come into play, but as far as the next two books is concerned, I think her part is over and done.

 

We're in the part of the series that all this mass conglomeration of plot threads are starting to end or come together with other plot threads, I don't see either Jordan or Sanderson want to add another one at this point in the series, in what was originally meant to be the last book.