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Dakota

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  1. This is what I've been thinking too. Just something tossed in there to show that even once the story's done, there will always be mysteries and unexplained things in the world. That, though I do like the theory mentioned earlier about how she's Egwyne's counterpart from the previous turning of the wheel, and the next time the third age rolls around, it will be a mysterious figure named Egwyne who does what she does.
  2. One minor thing I would have liked to see, would have been Lan's reaction when Mat told him that Jain Farstrider died clean.
  3. 1. In the final confrontation, Rand realizes the Dark One can't win as long as the human race doesn't break or give up. Even if the Dragon goes to the shadow, as long as people don't give up, he can't win. 2. Turning Rand would probably make answer 1 easier than killing him. That and Rand has the pattern protecting him. There's plenty of times they tried to kill Rand and failed. 3. Why? Because the Dark One told him to in LoC. Further explaination, there's a line during the Last Battle when Demandred is telling people to keep balefiring anything and everything, because the pattern must be unravelled before it can be remade.
  4. Unless I missed something, he refers to it as 'impossible', not 'wrong'. Which makes since, since lighting a pipe with the force of his will without channeling, would be, under the way the miscellaneous Powers work, impossible. One of the dreamers earlier in the series referred to the nine impossible things that the Dragon Reborn would do, this might simply be number nine. Just because it's 'impossible' doesn't mean it has to be spectacular and grandiose.
  5. Disappointed with how the final confrontation between Rand and the Dark One played out. It's been said (hinted or strongly implied) many times in the series that the Dark One is not of the pattern. He is an outside force trying to corrupt and break the pattern. The pattern is balance, the Dark One is trying to destroy that balance. It's been stated that the Dark One is not the source of all evil in the world. Adrihol is a good example, it's a city that became so evil it birthed some new sort of entity. While it did so trying to fight the Dark One, the city didn't turn so evil -because- of the dark one, it's just the evil in the hearts of man made manifest. This is why I see the whole thing about 'Rand's world without the dark one was bad because it removed the soul and choice from everyone' bit to be a bit of an ass pull. We've seen that people are still capable of choice and free will without the Dark One's influence, I don't see how killing him would disrupt this. Hell, five of the seven ages have him locked up behind his perfect barrier, completely unable to influence the world. So you're telling me that for five out of the seven ages, everyone is a soulless automaton without choice or free will because the Dark One is inaccessible? Every arguement for the Dark One being necessary, is countered by the fact that for so much of the turning of the wheel he's sealed up inside his perfect prison, unable to influence the hearts of men. If anything Rand killing the Dark One should have restored the pattern, the wheel, and the world to it's natural, intended state, as it would have been without that outside influence trying to corrupt and destroy it. If the Dark One was a necessary evil to the world, he would have been an integral, vital part of the pattern, not an outside entity. If Rand during his battle with the Dark one, standing from outside and reading the pattern, had seen the Dark one interweaved with it and a necessary part of it, then I could see why imprisoning him vice killing him would have been the proper choice. Even if there was some thing about how Shai'tan was killed, only to replaced by Shaisim/Fain/Ordieth, that I could have accepted, the notion that the Dark One was just a manifestation of the evils of man that changed with each turning of the wheel. Instead Fain was just a source of buildup and foreshadowing that puttered out. It just doesn't sit well with me that the whole 'Rand shouldn't kill the Dark One, only imprison him' notion just seems to run counter with a lot of things we've been told throughout the series. I don't know how much of it is poor planning on RJ's part, or BS not having a clear concept of RJ's notes left behind.
  6. I always figured that Rand's lighting the pipe at the end was just him bending the pattern to his will, similar to the way he threatened to stop Cadsuane's heart in TGS.
  7. RJ stated flat out that he never intended Taim to be Demy. RJ never held the oath rod.
  8. This. A character who was weak in the power but had a special talent that could make up for it? Yeah, I can buy that. But towards the end when all this 'mysterious backstory' kept getting piled on him, he definately started seeming a bit less everyman and a bit more Gary Sue.
  9. I would think that Callandor can use the TP but doesn't always use it. Particuarly if it's being used by someone who doesn't have the Great Lord's permission to use it. However, it's mentioned in one of the earlier books that one of Callandor's flaws is that it amplifies the effect of the taint. This could imply that it's drawing on the TP as well, or it could have just been forshadowing of it's nature as a TP sa'angreal. I don't remember seeing it used in the books after the source was cleansed before the ending where it came into play, so I don't know if it still had effects of a taint that was no longer there.
  10. I think it was briefly mentioned that the Book Ter'angreal that Avienda found had some mentions of the TP buried somewhere in it. That, and I figured that Rand had described it to some of his followers off-camera.
  11. I still believe this as well, that originally Taimandred was the intention, but RJ made it a bit too obvious and changed his plans as a result.
  12. I know that's probably what happened, I just think it was a hell of an important plot point to happen 'off camera'.
  13. It was obvious he was up to no good from the very start but the first conclusive evidence I remember about him being of the Shadow is in WH. We have one of the renegade Asha'man's PoV there. I know we the readers have known for a while he was on the dark side. My question is, when did Rand, Rand's personally following of Ashaman and Aes Sedai, Mat and Elayne and the generals of the light, all them, at what point did -they- find out he was on the dark side? The first time Taim shows his true colors is at Tarwin's Gap in the trap that he set for Rand. Rand somehow knows it's Taim, and when Rand escapes the trap and returns, everyone seems to know that Taim was waiting for him. It just feels to me like there was a chapter cut somewhere.
  14. Not likely, however I will argue in its defense. Consider "Belief and order give strength." The italicized portion, order gives strength, is one way of describing the strength of crystal structures. Even if it was BS's addition, I feel as if it fits merely to continue the theme of balance. A weave to fray the Pattern (increasing entropy/chaos) and a weave to restore it (decreasing entropy/chaos). I can buy her weave putting the crystal scabs on the fissures being caused by all the balefire. I can buy that beam hitting Taim's balefire and cancelling each other out. But the bit about how the beam would kill only those who had turned to the shadow? Sorry, bit too much of a stretch. Also, it has been mentioned several times that all angreal and sa'angreal have buffers that prevent overdrawing, with Callandor being the notable exception. The part where Egwyne dies has a throwaway line to say that the sa'angreal she's using also lacks that buffer. You'd think this would have come into play or at least been mentioned in all the times in this book and the last one it was being used. Again, bit of an ass-pull.
  15. At some point many books ago it was mentioned about how one of Callandor's flaws was that it amplified the taint. Between LTT's memories and the archive terangreal, they learned a bit more about the True Power. Probably they put two and two together.
  16. Am I the only one who found the whole anti-Balefire thing to be a bit of an ass-pull?
  17. My question, is when was it known to the 'general cast' that Taim was evil? I don't remember seeing him coming out as a Darkfriend in ToM. By the end of ToM, all that was known to those at the Black Tower was "Those taking private lessons from him are coming back all weird." From what I remember, Rand was still more or less trusting Taim to do his thing long as they were ready for the last battle, a sort of 'I'll need to go straighten him out but for now he's fine without me.' sort of thing. First time he's seen outside of the Black Tower in MoL, Rand's all "Time for me to kill you like I should have!" and the rest of the cast knows he's a darkfriend and leading the male dreadlords. At what point did the cast realize he was less "A shady guy but on our side" and more "He's the enemy"?
  18. I would buy that, if not for the part where it's explicitly stated in this book that the pattern is both good and evil, and that the Great Lord is an outside influence trying to distort that. Not to mention, the fact that Rand talks with it, debates with it, struggles with it, and is on the brink of destroying it, indicates that, if not a deity, at least it's some sort of conscious entity.
  19. I really don't like the whole "world is miserable without the Dark One" approach. It's said at least once that the pattern contains light and dark, good and evil, but that the Dark One is an outside influence trying to warp, destroy, and distort that balance. If the pattern contains good and evil, how would destroying the Dark One remove that free will? How would it cause the mindless dystopia that Rand saw in his vision? If anything, destroying the Dark One -should- lead to the ideal state of things, people still able to make their own choices for good or ill. Given how many hints were dropped about such and such a thing not happening before in any turning of the wheel, that this turning could finally change things for good, I'm disappointed that instead of destroyed, he was just sealed up until the next turning. Speaking of one of the things that was different, Fain. I was disappointed with how his plotline was resolved. All the lead ins and build ups to what a wild card he was and how he could change things, the way he showed up and was dispatched so quickly was a let down. I was certainly expecting a lot more out of that. Disappointed in how Superfade pretty much died offscreen without doing anything in this book. Pretty much the way all of the villians were dispatched was a let down. Except Demandred, a lot of his parts seemed forced, but after all the buildup he needed to be the badass he was.
  20. The past several years, I haven't been as heavily into the series as I used to be. Winter's Heart was the last book that really held my interest, ever since then I've just been wanting it to wrap up. Still, now that it's older, a sliver of my life that's been there for the past 20-ish years is now empty. All things come to an end, but I do still feel a bit melancholy about it. As for the book itself. Demandred being the ultimate badass did seem a little bit forced to me. But I can understand why, after being the mysterious figure the whole time that he's been, he needed to be a little bit over the top to make up for all the hype. Same thing with the Sharans. His being there the whole time wasn't -that- much a suprise, but mostly because after decades of speculating it was one of the only places that made that much sense. Less of a shock than who killed Asmodean. I really don't like the whole notion about how a world without Shai'tan would be such a hollow and dead world. It was said many times that the pattern contained both good and evil, and that the Dark Lord was an outside influence warping and twisting it. Without that influence, there would still be good and evil in the world. Destroying him would have hardly led to such a desolate world that was implied, if anything it would be setting the world on course free from outside influence. After all the build up about how certain things were new to the pattern and had never happened before (ie Fain, Rand's face to face showdown with the Great Lord), I was looking forward to the dark one being destroyed and the world allowed to move forward free from it's neverending cycle. I do feel a bit let down about this, as I did with the ending of Stephen King's Dark Tower. For all the pain, suffering, death and destruction, nothing was solved, only delayed until it repeats again. So many of the main characters starting to drop dead, while understandable given the scope of the Last Battle, did start to lose some of its impact after a bit. Felt more like certain characters were just being thrown away for the sake of it. Suian's death for one felt like a "She's more or less expendable, kill her to up the danger factor". Bela died. She died a decade ago, the fans have just been beating her this whole time. Chapter 37. Holy god Chapter 37. 200 pages to a single chapter? Guess which chapter I found myself on when it was late, work in the AM, and I was in "Soon as this chapter's done I'm going to bed" mode. I know how big a deal it was, but seriously, it couldn't have been split up? Aside from those, I'm still satisfied with the book. Sanderson might not have been able to do it the same as the way RJ would have, but he still did it as well as anyone else could have. There were a few parts that could have been done better, but on the whole I still think it was the appropriate conclusion to this saga. The last paragraph to the novel had already been predicted on these forums somewhere, but it was still the perfect way to close it off. RJ, I may have been frustrated as hell with you towards the end of your run, but despite that you still made a world that will be a part of me forever, and for that, I thank you.
  21. I'd let Egwene ride me, too. With some handcuffs and a gag...
  22. I'm guessing that a draw would be the shadow winning every decisive battle, destroying much of civilization, converting the Light's champion, everything that the Forsaken would think of as a victory, but the Great Lord isn't able to accomplish what he needs to in order to actually destroy the world to remake it in his image.
  23. I would think that the testing might have a grain or truth in there, but in large part is drawn from the user's knowledge and dread. As others mentioned, Egwyne saw herself as ageless because she didn't know that the agelessness was caused by the oath rod. Besides, if the AS thought that the testing reflected truth, well, I doubt that Egwyne was the first to see someone she didn't like in there as Black Ajah. If the AS thought that everything in there reflected some truth, I would think that a lot more sisters would have been put to the question over the years for suspicion of being BA. Or having the Red Ajah be deployed to the testee's childhood home because a man she saw in there could channel, or other such things of that nature. It wouldn't be so much 'What you saw in there is for you and for you alone', as much as 'Keep what you saw to yourself, but if you saw something that could harm the tower or the Light, let us know."
  24. Either Perrin or Mat. SH is a major enough player in the game that I think it's going to be one of the main three to take him down. Rand will probably be busy fighting Moridin and the Great Lord, and aside from that it'd be boring to have one character kill -all- the bad guys. Perrin's a candidate because, as mentioned earlier in this thread, something about how entire packs of wolves would sacrifice themselves to see one Neverborn go down, would make it appropriate that the Wolf King would be the one to go up against the most powerful of the Neverborn. Even if Perrin doesn't have the skill to do so, he has the foreshadowing and plot going for him. Mat would also be a candidate because I think he does have the skill to do so. Galad's been established as one of the most skilled blademasters in the world. And only about a year prior to that, Mat beat him and Gawyn, another skilled swordsman (who's been established as being able to beat warders in swordfights), fighting them at the same time, while having just barely crawled out of his deathbed. Not to mention killing Couladin without a scratch, and going toe to toe with the gholam several times and winning. He might need some serious AS healing after it's done, but I think Mat would be a good choice to take SH out.
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