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[Nolder]

Dude even D&D never had a crackdown like this since I've been on the stie wtf is going on here?

[Turin Turambar]

Thanks Verb. I would say length of time out should be determined by severity of infraction, contrition of offender, and frequency of infractions.

 

That may not be much help. I would say minimum would have to be at least 1 game.

[Turin Turambar]

Dude even D&D never had a crackdown like this since I've been on the stie wtf is going on here?

*insert captain America "language" GIF*

 

Letting the small stuff slide is where it starts.

[Verbal32]

Dude even D&D never had a crackdown like this since I've been on the stie wtf is going on here?

 

I've probably threatened to permaban half of D&D at this point, and Ty has a good hold.  I'm not worried about them.

[DPR]

Going forward, any in-game issues are to be brought PRIVATELY to the game mod ASAP.  If the mod is able to handle at that point, and all parties are ok with that, then fine.  If not, then the mod needs to escalate this to me.  If I'm a player in that game and the information will mess up balance/whatever, then I'm ok with being replaced as needed, in that instance.  Otherwise, I expect it brought to me and I will handle.

 

If mods do not do that, and the issue festers within that game, then I'm not going to add that mod to the queue anymore.  If players don't obey either (1) the decision of the game mod, or (2) my decision after it is escalated to me, then I will place that player on the new usergroup and they will not be able to see the mafia board.

 

 

I'm open to ideas on how long such a "timeout" lasts, and how many strikes they are allowed before it becomes permanent.  Then again, if it comes to a need for a permanent removal, then they are in jeopardy of me just banning them from DM anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thoughts?

 

 

How about a bullet list of grievances so that playstyles don't cross paths with infringement. 

[Verbal32]

I don't understand what you're getting at.

[DPR]

Just a quick bullet list that sums up the CoC with the penalty.

 

Name calling = 2 game ban - that sort of thing. And that's with the understanding that there is difference between somebody I know calling me a "overstuffed-drunken-lout-disaster" who is terrible at the game (which I don't take offense to) vs. calling a person they don't know "stupid" and hurting that person's feelings.

 

Basically, it works hand-in-hand with your system. If offense is taken, tell the mod. The mod will sort it. If they can't, it escalates to you. And if you have the crime and peanty posted, there really isn't much to argue - you just point to the post because fair is fair. 

 

Mods can link to post in the OP of each game so the there is no excuse. 

[Clovdyx]

I would venture to guess DPR is suggesting we make a list (not all inclusive) of what valid complaints are, and what is not. Someone shluld not be running to a mod or yourself because they don't like that I townread BFG for being exceptionally active and controlling a flow of dialogue, for example; that's a perfrctly acceptable course of action, and while it is fine to disagree with the conclusion, you have not been wronged by my stance. Yiu have not been wronged if I use your disagreement as incentive to push you. You haven't even been wronged if I try to pound youinto oblivion over it.

 

You have, however, been wronged if I tell you that you're stupid and don't know how to play for it. You, and the rest of the game, have been wronged if i refuse to lynch somebody because they are my friend.

[Clovdyx]

Cut.

[Shad_]

The CoC is extremely long, and people don't read long.  They refer to long after the fact to see if they really broke a rule or not.  If we aim to be proactive, I think it would serve us well to have a concise list of Mafia rules that everyone must R&U before signing up for future games.  Something short enough that they can realistically be expected to read it and not just blindly click I Agree like some terms of service wot.

 

The sort of thing many of us post at the start of games we mod already, but applicable to all games at all times.

[BFG]

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So I've spoilered the stuff that seems most irrelevant and highlighted things I think need editing to apply to mafia.

 

In order

 

Mention release of QTs without everyone agreeing, also prohibits role quoting etc, so people doing that are breaking the official CoC not just the games integrity

 

Expanded

 

First talk to mod then Verb(?)

 

Don't air things that are taken personally in thread. But need to emphasise that for game integrity mod has to initiate conversation

 

Obvious troll

 

Make mods more official, or something? At the moment it's just Verb

[BFG]

It's still too long, I'd take out the bits in blue (and any that other people think are important), expand, clarify as needed. Link to the official CoC and leave it at that?

[BFG]

Going forward, any in-game issues are to be brought PRIVATELY to the game mod ASAP.  If the mod is able to handle at that point, and all parties are ok with that, then fine.  If not, then the mod needs to escalate this to me.  If I'm a player in that game and the information will mess up balance/whatever, then I'm ok with being replaced as needed, in that instance.  Otherwise, I expect it brought to me and I will handle.

 

If mods do not do that, and the issue festers within that game, then I'm not going to add that mod to the queue anymore.  If players don't obey either (1) the decision of the game mod, or (2) my decision after it is escalated to me, then I will place that player on the new usergroup and they will not be able to see the mafia board.

 

 

I'm open to ideas on how long such a "timeout" lasts, and how many strikes they are allowed before it becomes permanent.  Then again, if it comes to a need for a permanent removal, then they are in jeopardy of me just banning them from DM anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thoughts?

Sounds good :)

[BFG]

 

We have this conversation every few months and I'm fed up of it.

 

Agreed, and I'm mostly to blame for that.  I apologize to everybody for stepping back and thinking it would solve itself - that was dumb of me to think.

 

All I can say is that I promise not to abandon the board again.

 

it's on us players not you lol

[BFG]

Think DPRs idea is good

 

[Sooh]

I like Verb's stance here. I think a lot of the "is this crossing the line" stuff could be expanded on like DPR, Chris and BFG (at least) have been saying. At the same time I trust Verb's discretion and don't think he'll ban people without thinking there's a serious offense.

 

Bottom line is, if the game mod and/or site mod intervenes and tells you you're crossing the line, you probably are. Take some time, cool off, if you still feel unfairly treated, talk it over with them, but not in a hostile tone. Explaining how you feel is fine. Telling someone they are idiots for not understanding how you feel is not. 

[Shad_]

Also worth noting that a lot of the worst fighting I've seen has happened post-game, often when most of the players were not even aware that a conflict was brooding in the background because the moderator handled it well while it was under their jurisdiction.  I don't think D&D level leniency should apply to posts made outside of an active game, and I would generally be much more strict about rule enforcement in that setting.  If players need to vent at each other post-game they should be expected to take it to PM.

[Shad_]

It's difficult to think of precise rules for an inherently subjective topic.  Obviously there are extremes of behavior that can result in immediate removal.  In most situations no one is at 'fault' and a clash of personality is simply creating a very uncomfortable and unpleasant thread state.  The damage is already being done whether or not it breaks into a fairly objective rules violation.  Destigmatize substitutions and encourage players to replace without penalty if it's just not working out this game?

[Songstress]

I don't know how easy it would be for Verb to create a mafia mod user group and move people in and out of it when they have an active game.

 

Game mods (and potentially comods, if the situation warrants) would benefit from being able to pin their threads, lock the thread when posting is not allowed (and especially in the case of needing a pause to consult with another mod or Verbal on a thorny issue), and potentially edit player posts if they break the CoC instead of waiting for the player to respond to a mod request.

 

Just a thought for consideration.

[Eldrick4221]

Going forward, any in-game issues are to be brought PRIVATELY to the game mod ASAP.  If the mod is able to handle at that point, and all parties are ok with that, then fine.  If not, then the mod needs to escalate this to me.  If I'm a player in that game and the information will mess up balance/whatever, then I'm ok with being replaced as needed, in that instance.  Otherwise, I expect it brought to me and I will handle.

 

If mods do not do that, and the issue festers within that game, then I'm not going to add that mod to the queue anymore.  If players don't obey either (1) the decision of the game mod, or (2) my decision after it is escalated to me, then I will place that player on the new usergroup and they will not be able to see the mafia board.

 

 

I'm open to ideas on how long such a "timeout" lasts, and how many strikes they are allowed before it becomes permanent.  Then again, if it comes to a need for a permanent removal, then they are in jeopardy of me just banning them from DM anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thoughts?

Added this to my sig so it's available in any game I play.

[Nolder]

I haven't been following the conversation closely but just a note -

 

For myself personally, when I've gotten into conflicts with other people here in the past I haven't always wanted a game mod to take care of the problem.

In some cases they have been very good friends with the person I was having conflict with and in other cases I just felt like the problem was already above their head and required someone with actual authority on DM. I have also felt in over my head as a mod once or twice.

 

What I'm trying to say is that it might be a bad idea to make it a hard rule to go to the game mod first to fix a problem and then an admin.

A game mod usually has the priority of preserving their game and may try to downplay or make some sort of deal between two people whereas I don't think an admin would have that perspective.

 

So maybe word it as a suggestion or add a note or something? Just a thought.

[Eldrick4221]

I haven't been following the conversation closely but just a note -

 

For myself personally, when I've gotten into conflicts with other people here in the past I haven't always wanted a game mod to take care of the problem.

In some cases they have been very good friends with the person I was having conflict with and in other cases I just felt like the problem was already above their head and required someone with actual authority on DM. I have also felt in over my head as a mod once or twice.

 

What I'm trying to say is that it might be a bad idea to make it a hard rule to go to the game mod first to fix a problem and then an admin.

A game mod usually has the priority of preserving their game and may try to downplay or make some sort of deal between two people whereas I don't think an admin would have that perspective.

 

So maybe word it as a suggestion or add a note or something? Just a thought.

It would also be simple to tell the mod you want to take it higher. I don't think any mod would be opposed to that.

[Eldrick4221]

Or tell the mod that you want to handle it if you feel its not worth escalating.