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DPR

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  1. Not so fast there, sparky. You're the one that Rhea defended - and outed herself, as mafia, with no other provocation or reason that I can see other than to defend a teammate. For my money, no Mafia in there right mind would have risked being noticed like that, especially on D1, unless it was important. So you just sit tight - we'll be getting to you as well.
  2. All I hear is blah blah blah... You defended Turin and Rhea. Rhea was Mafia/Malfoy. You and I have a date in the morning.
  3. I was going to say touche', but then I see that Dice has not bolded or redded his vote. So, uh...yeah. Thanks for the clarification!
  4. 1. THORUM STILL HAS TO VOTE! 2. @Mods - There is no penalty listed for not meeting a majority vote. I'd like to confirm that, if you are able. 3. The simple fact of the matter is that with the deadline less than 7 hours away and the current level of activity, we don't have time to swing the train to anyone else but Rhea. - The primary case against Rhea is that she defended Turin while his train was building. Not bad for a D1 case. - In my opinion, the cases against Turin and BG are also fairly substantial for D1.
  5. In response to BG's WOT. BG - "DPR's vote on Turin is all kinds of suspect. Turin is mafia because he's trying too hard to look town? How does that make sense?" DPR - There are a few players new to the game, so I'm happy to explain this: a mafioso will often make an effort on D1 to appear very Town so that others will trust them and they can later lead the Town in making decisions. It's called the "Uber Townie" of "Super Townie" act and it can be very effective. Always keep an eye out for anyone trying a little too hard to be a hero - especially on D1. BG - Mish's response is lol worthy. DPR voted Turin because he was "trying to look too town." Then Turin explains why would town try to not look town. Of course he's looking town because he's town. Then Mish accuses Turin of being over eager to point out he's town. Entrapment I say! DPR - BG is not new to mafia and knows perfectly well what "trying to look too town" means. To go on and state that Turin is Town is actually crazy - how could BG possibly know that? Throw in a little "entrapment" at the end (I'm assuming in response to my use of "extortion") and BG's statement is a classic example of WIFOM. If anyone doesn't know what WIFOM is, please ask. BG - DPR lays out a fancy case on why Turin attempting to look town looks "exactly like a mafiosos that wants to put themselves into a position to lead." Then the immediate next sentence is "I'm not saying that you are doing that..." Hahaha, yes you are. You JUST said that. And you even voted Turin for it earlier. How are you not saying you that? DPR - There is a difference between an FOS and a vote, right? There is also a difference between voting based on suspicion, which almost any D1 vote will be, and a vote based on knowing something to be true, such as a Cop result. I stated a suspicion and qualified it with a statement that essentially said - "I suspect, but can't know for sure". The important thing is that I put my money where my mouth was by laying down a vote. That's what goes on record, and I did. I did it because I had no greater suspicion at the time. Again, BG knows all of this. BG - DPR, dude, why in the world would town counter claiming be bad? Everyone is vanilla at the beginning of the game so it doesn't even matter. If someone else is Sirius Black, by all means, say something so we can know that Turin is lying. I can't think of a single reason someone counter claiming Turin would be a bad idea. DPR - Well then, you'll get a kick out of this one: how do you figure the mafia earns studs? Do you think that everyone just jumps in to grab what they can, because that would seem awfully weighted towards luck and timing, no? Or maybe, just maybe, there are mechanics we can't possible know about - something along the lines of "earn points by taking out these characters". BG, your being (or pretending to be) this naive is very dangerous for the town. BG - I still can't figure out why DPR is so set in making sure everyone ignores Turin's character claim. We are all vanilla originally, so what's the big deal if someone else counter claims? Also he says that Turin is having a Mini-Meltdown... I'm not sensing it. I'm sensing logical responses at this point. DPR - See my above statement. Again, you pushing the "we're all vanilla thing" is naive and dangerous. We don't all have the same win condition (Town vs. Mafia), do we? What if there are third party players? And, you backing up Turin as logical at this point is just a blatant defense of him and has been noted. He's not been logical at all, and neither are you. BG - Turin claims upgraded character turned cop. Initially I thought, WAIT A MINUTE, now this DOES sound a bit too convenient and is possibly a fakeclaim. Here's something I found interesting about this though. Turin didn't just claim cop, he specifically said "alignment cop" which makes me think he's telling the truth. A fake claim wouldn't bother with the "alignment" portion of it I think. This implies other types of cops are possibly available via full upgrades(character, role, item, who knows). DPR - Now you're laying it on thick. Turin is your buddy. We get it. BG - Also its true that there's no guarentee that Sirius is in the game, but you and DPR keep trying to downplay how claims can help town. If someone claims poorly, then they are caught. Turin claimed, there's been no counter claim, so we can reasonably assume Turin is telling the truth or got a lucky mafia claim. It shouldn't effect anyone's votes. DPR - This is starting to look like you are VERY invested in someone counter claiming Sirius. VERY invested. Like you would benefit from it. BG - Cloud shows up with a catchup post. "Plays it safe" with a vote on Rhea. Weird. DPR - So far you have attacked a list of players that voiced suspicion over Turin and Rhea - Basel, Mish, myself and now Cloud. You called us all "weird" or "Illogical" or somesuch. I find it amusing that you show up close to deadline with your first real contribution to the game and trash the people that have been playing the whole time. I also find it laughable that you do this trying to shake up the leading trains (because you are criticizing the people on Rhea's train in an offhand fashion by focusing so much on Turin). I find your "contribution", behind your wall of text, extremely suspect. BG - Turin makes a valid point about the math not working out for purchasing upgrades. True, we don't know how the point total works exactly, but from what we do know, it does seem off to me as well. DPR - That's because all you can see is Turin's arse from your nose being buried in it. This is a ridiculous exercise in WIFOM and misdirection. BG - Why are people (*coughDPRcough*) being so obtuse about the evidence on how game mechanics work? Turin makes a good point that he brought evidence to the table about timestamps and stud counts. DPR - People have merely stated that it is not evidence because we don't know how the stud count works. It has not followed a logical count and we have no information about it. Anyone who tries to base an argument on the stud count is clearly interested in wasting the Town's time on speculation. It's misdirection - pure and simple. Turin did not make a good point, which you confirmed above and he has since had to walk it back. You supporting it is working against the Town. BG - AAAGHGHGHGAHAHAAH! DPR, dude, Not character claiming if you are going to be lynched is dumb! If we let people get away with that, then the mafia don't even have to TRY and guess which characters we aren't. Turin's claim as Sirius was not countered. That doesn't make him town. You are right. BUT WHAT IF IT HAD BEEN COUNTERED?!?!?! Huzzah for mafia messing up! Dismissing characters altogether is asanine. DPR - Teh mock outrage. It is here. To reiterate - Turin was nowhere close to being lynched (why did you conveniently ignore this argument throughout your entire WOT?). When he did it, it looked like a simple case of him trying to look good and/or smoke out another player. There is no Town reason whatsoever for anyone to have revealed yet, nor for anyone to have wasted the Town's time speculating on names, which Turin repeatedly did, which you also chose to ignore. BG - @Mish - What's a restoritive draught? Maybe I shouldn't pry. But then why did you name it? Ugh. DPR - So just to be clear here, you support claiming names, even after the mods made a point to warn you that it's useless. You support discussion of names, whcih we know because you never said you had a problem with it and you mention it over and over... But, you criticize actual info when someone gives it? By giving a name of what she bought, Mish puts herself on record and has accepted the expectation that the Town now has of her owning it. This type of info is very beneficial to the Town. It's also a way to protect one's self from a potential hit. Lot's of good information with that - so naturally, you criticize and discourage it. BG - Jeez, almost everyone is voting Rhea now who was on Turin's train because Rhea defended Turin. I don't understand this. Why not just keep voting Turin then? Mafia could have purchased a full upgrade as well and Turin could have lied about what powers he was given. What does Rhea have to do with any of it? DPR - I'm not even going to respond to this... BG - Eurgh. Rhea's unvote post is a sad post with all kinds of things wrong with it. Backtracking and over explaining all over the place. Can't tell if sincere and put out about being the leading train or just getting caught up in scum lies. DPR - *facepalm* Poor little sad Rhea! Maybe I should unvote her? What to do... Oh hey look. Kassidy is back. Her vote stands. Good to know. DPR - You end by picking on the person who is playing their first game. Awesome job. Really looking forward to more of your input. My strong feeling is that at least one of these players is not Town: Turin. Rhea. BG.
  6. Is this extortion? Did you really just do that? You make a point to mention the bonus studs we'll get if everyone is voting, and then you unvote? You give no reason for unvoting, then you leave it kind of vague as to when you'll return. We've got just under a day until deadline. My vote stays. EVERYONE SHOULD BE VOTING!
  7. Just like to point out that because we can purchase roles, claiming a role does not mean what it normally does. That's not to say that we don't want to carefully consider Power Role claims, but keep in mind that the mafia will know that counter claims won't hurt them, so hiding behind a Power Role claim is very likely. I purchased a potion for 200 studs. The stud count is now 632.
  8. Ladies and Gentlemen, might I propose that we just stop any and all speculation about characters? It's a distraction - nothing more. As the mods have generously pointed out, there are so many characters that it would be pointless to speculate on which might be in the game. And, given that roles are purchased, it means absolutely nothing anyway. That's a large part of the reason that Turin claiming Sirius (a beloved character) and claiming Cop (of which there could be multiple, purchased roles and all...) are far too convenient for my liking. All we need to do is to keep our attention focused on the behavior of each player and determine how to wisely use the items offered to us. Character talk is just spam.
  9. I read 'em. And you are again asking us all to believe you - this time to believe that you understand how the stud count works. Do you really know exactly how all of it, bonuses included, works? Wouldn't it be more pro-Town to step back and say "It's D1. Probability tells us that we don't have the stud count worked out yet." Instead, you flail and try to drag down everyone who looks sideways at you. One reason I'm not just re-voting you is that I suspect that you are a Jester-type role. I missed this and Hallia's posts before.: You read em and elected to dismiss it? I'm not asking you to trust me blindly. I looked up some evidence and it didn't follow logically to me based on what I know from the MODs posts and what I have inferred from the other statements that were made by the MODs regarding the divisions of studs. I put the information out for anyone else to look at and gave my impression of it. What do people think? I am trying to draw some discussion out of the mostly absent town. Jester? really? way to throw out the most speculative thing that you can. I'm fine with whatever conclusions people draw. I might add, if people would have listed their mafia reads previously there would have been more clarity that people were suspicious of Rhea before they jumped off me and onto her. Then we could have asked why the change of heart. Yes, yes you are. Sirius Black. Cop. Knower of the secrets of the stud count. Riiiggghht, because all of the points I've made are imaginary.
  10. All you've done is defend yourself and predict your own doom - which is exactly what the phrase implies. What are you going to do next, put on a pair of glasses? No, nothing about Mish or any more about your implication that you know how the stud count works. I've said what I had to say.
  11. Again with the why-me, fry-me. If you believed that, why siphon off 600 studs that statistically would have gone to a Town player?
  12. I read 'em. And you are again asking us all to believe you - this time to believe that you understand how the stud count works. Do you really know exactly how all of it, bonuses included, works? Wouldn't it be more pro-Town to step back and say "It's D1. Probability tells us that we don't have the stud count worked out yet." Instead, you flail and try to drag down everyone who looks sideways at you. One reason I'm not just re-voting you is that I suspect that you are a Jester-type role.
  13. This is laughable. Now it's "5 pretty weak" votes? If they are weak, why did you reveal? And as far as linking you with Rhea, she openly defended you. Then you openly defended her. Where I come from, we call that a link. Slap a few OMGUS mentions for me and Mish, and we have scum stew. Trust me, I'm as surprised as anyone that you've played this way, but it's all in the posts and can't be ignored.
  14. This was the next stud count 1430-737 is more than 600... 737 I miscounted :sheepishgrin: See Above... I bolded when I did it. I guess I should have said immediately when the studs became available... Could have saved a whole day. So basically, with 5 votes on you (enough to make you want to reveal) you decide it's a good idea to deplete the Town of studs by boosting yourself? Does that sound like Town behavior? Because I could swear you started this whole thing by accusing others of not playing Town. You and Rhea stink worse than Hagrid's outhouse after chilli night. Vote Rhea She flips scum, you're gonna swing after her. Siriously.
  15. Unvote Standard procedure for a Cop claim. However, I would like to know exactly when Turin purchased his upgrade. Turin, you want to lay that on us?
  16. Just to make my position clear, I mentioned Thorum only because I suspected Turin was trying to take advantage of someone he believed to be new to the games. I pointed out that Thorum was an experienced player to highlight his (Thorum) response to Turin. Turin then responded that I misunderstood his statement. Anyone interested is welcome to read the posts.
  17. I said what I did to try and avoid the discussion that is occuring now; who is in the game and not. I tried to get a point across to everyone else. EVERYONE GET THIS: Ithi has said there is over a hundred (I think it's 165) possible characters. We have no idea how they've chosen wich chars are in the game. It might be completly random; we mgiht have a game with only main chars, only minor side chars, or a mix. We could all be houseelves. We don't know!. So trusting claims, and claims alone, is a BAD IDEA. We are 17 players. That makes for about 150 possible fakeclaims! Nobody is gonna claim Voldemort or Bellatrix; you're not gonna find mafia trough claims (unless someone counterclaims). So claims should be (mostly) ignored and not be based as a reason, let alone the only reason, for a vote or unvote. Someone claims; acknowlege it, make a note, and then look at that player's play as a whole, don't just base their townie-ness on a claim. Yes Rhea, I'm looking at you. Huge FoS on you there. Yup. We are all house elves. I love this idea.
  18. Your defense of Turin is noted. He has not only claimed town but he's tried to shove it down our throats.Anyone can claim town but I don't believe he is so my vote still stands. He's trying to hard to make us believe he is town even before anyone accused him other wise he was constantly posting he was town. Why are you questioning our vote on him when you yourself said you have trouble believing any claims? If you have trouble believing any claims then why are you so quick to believe his? You say our vote is scummy. I say not as scummy as that post. So do you have a hard time believing any claims or just the ones against Turin? Which is it? This.
  19. Quote from your earlier post "Thorium I have in the group that haven't played that much." Seems that's easy to take the way that both Thorum and I read it. You spinning it another way vs. just putting it in context is scummy. Everything else you say is backpedaling and spin control. Did you or did you not attempt to start a conversation about what characters might be in the game? Scum. Tunnel over. The crowd will see what they see.
  20. Quote from your earlier post "Thorium I have in the group that haven't played that much." Seems that's easy to take the way that both Thorum and I read it. You spinning it another way vs. just putting it in context is scummy. Everything else you say is backpedaling and spin control. Did you or did you not attempt to start a conversation about what characters might be in the game? Scum. Tunnel over. The crowd will see what they see.
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