Danger in Demons Cove GAME OVER Villains win

[Ironeyes]

My head is pounding, so I need to go to bed. I wish I could be here, but I've placed my vote where I think the lynch should go tonight. Follow me or don't.

I hope you feel better soon!

[Hallia]

Because I read you as scummy, as it appears you read me scummy. 

 

Unvote

[Wildfire Sedai]

I just wanted all these in one post for future reference...not that we have much of a future...we haven't lynched one scum yet... hopefully these will help.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay. New reads list with seasonings...

 

1. The fearless WiFi - TOWN PRINCESS - cause I KNOW

2. Niniel the dauntless the terrifying Turin - WAITING FOR HIS ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.

3. Hallia the valiant - beginning of D1 she goes after Clovr and Nini. but then posted a reads list with Clovr as her 3rd top townie? says he "could be deep wolf."  Has me and nini in scum area.  D2 pushing me and nini, saying she would go iron over dice,  but beginning of day 3 votes me her first post and has stayed there.   I think Hallia is scum.  I also think hallia is trying to throw shade at dice with that quote...cause after rereading dices ISO for the last hour (yeah he only has 3 pages but I kept rereading them  oh and supper came too ) I believe him to be town...Will elaborate more when I get to him.

4. The intrepid Ironeyes -  
5. Clovr the legionless - 
6. The heroic Pral

7. Leyrann the legendary the incredible Kat - When she first joined us in middle of D1 she did a reads list right off the bat. admittedly there wasn't much to it but are there ever anything to first reads lists?  Posts a comment about how clovr finds hallia more scummish and she finds her more townish and they post right after each other. Says she doesn't like my reasons for staying on hallia. D2  Feels sucky about reading dice and then gets into the Talmane/Ironeyes debate.  Stays on it for a while. Till she votes Talmanes, then its a discussion of whether there are randed roles or not. Asked mod a question about the events/prizes. I think Kat is townie because even though she can't be on that much she has provided content and asked questions ie she asked me about why I didn't fight to stay on hallia/ or defend pral if I thought he shouldn't be lynched. This to me shows that she is really doing her best this game.

8. Talmanes the brave

9. Tress the resolute - D1 starts out with a bunch of jokes, then gives a reads list: has hallia/ironeyes at bottom and dice/clovr at the top.  has a hard time placing nini. feels best about voting ironeyes and does so. D2 says she wants to ISO a couple of people. Asks tal about his reads. More ISO's , votes Ironeyes, D2 tells how busy she is, gonna do a zander type catch up, decides not to, more ISO's she's gonna do this weekend [just got caught up...she is 3 hours behind me so what I was gonna say "weekend is over" doesn't count ]   However, as of right now, gun to head: I think songstress is scummy. I reserve the right to CHANGE my opinion of her based on her posts tonight, however.

10. Sooh the bold (giggles madly as the knife twists in your gut) -  she joked in beginning of D1, talked to me about reading my posts, talked about tress and nini, talks about dice sliding under the radar and me not being a good lynch. Onto D2 talks about clovr's vote on ironeyes, gave anti spew definition, then talked about my posts, does some more reads, talks to nyn about dice, her talking about me and understanding, votes talmanes. D3 votes tress, talks to turin, me about my read on clovr.  I think sooh is townie because she has been generated content and she understands me!

11. Nyn the b*tch (brilliant, tenacious, cunning hunter in case you were wondering)
12. Daredevil Dice - 
13. The annoying Alanna (ANtagonistic, NOisY INGénue)

 

 

So...Dice D3?

 

 

GLGL

 

 

Okay, so heres the thing.  I been at this all day.  I first started out with clov, dice, and ironeyes cause they were my first mafia picks...but then I went into the fact that nobody thought that dice and clov could be mafia together, though I think that is still a possibility just like I think the 4 person mafia is a possibility or 3/1indy.... anyway clov has like a high ISO so waiting to do those tomorrow....hopefully before deadline...I just am so unsure of them...could go either way on all three.

 

 

 

 

2. Niniel the dauntless the terrifying Turin - D2 votes dice, converses with dice about possible role scenarios, talks to sooh about my math, argues with dice some more. D3 asks sooh why she dislikes hallia's push on me, says iron is about 95% clear only questioning a GF/tailor possibility, conversing with dice about the prizes again, asks me about my shot on nyn, Points out that BFG plays on other sites and knows other people that MOD on other sites, broke page, then answers my question beautifully. For his responses in regards to how many mafia there can be: thinks there can be a 3P "possibly", how the roles are handed out: you have to win them, and his questioning when he thinks something is odd...I think Turin is townie.

4. The intrepid Ironeyes - [wouldn't let me unbold so started at next line]

D1  said hi to nini, joke voted clov, talks about wifes name, unvotes, has this convo with clov that could be partners setting up for rest of game play, puts out a reads list, forgets to put kat in, puts sooh in twice, gets comments on it, fixes it after comments, votes pral, D2 makes the scummy post about lynching him would be better for town, etc., Says he's gonna analyze pral's train, asks what antispew means, makes the LVP post AtE, didn't do the pral train, then his wall of text where he analyzes the pral vote (finally), results possible nyn/hallia scum team which he throws away or talmanes/sooh/kat which we know talmanes was town soo...?? , talks about not trusting clov, votes talmanes, talk about a possible sooh lynch, roles, etc., unvotes, revotes tal. D3 puts up a reads list, talks to me about my sussing him as GF and the different roles, votes me, unvotes, talks about dice and turins exchange, talks about possible BPV for 3P If we have one.  I think Ironeyes is scummy because of POE. I don't think that BFG would have given town an IC AND NOT given mafia a GODFATHER.  Especially when the GF only shows wrong first time around. Especially when all other roles are won by events. Cause you see there is a possibility that town would have NEVER won a cop view...yeah that's right NEVER...so there would have been no big deal of there being a GF in the mafia.  However because town has confirmed IC there just has to be a GF. and I think that GF is Ironeyes. I do however, reserve the right to CHANGE this read at any time.

5. Clovr the legionless - D1 a few jokes, then jumps right into game play, hasn't read the books , forgot alanna was IC, talks to nini about the voting issue, talks to nyn about nini and the town pm, still don't get it , talks to nyn about hallia, gave a reads list, talks to talmanes his reads and other stuff, talks about dice. D2 Talks to tal about dice, talks about sooh and me, pushes me a bit about him being mafia , doesn't like talk about not being able to post, talks about tress under contributing. D3 asks hallia about her push on me, talks about my voting pattern, talks about the roles again, then talks to tress about her reads.I think Clovr is Scummy because He has been posting throughout the game, asking questions, pushing people, basically doing all sorts of townie stuff however there are too many people that feel he is scummy or slightly scummy or null for me to ignore. There is just something that is OFF about his posts.  I can't name it, its just a feeling.  However, I reserve the right to CHANGE my read on him at any time.  

12. Daredevil Dice - D1 posts that funny looking picture , then the vegemite thing, er WHAT IS VEGEMITE???, on to tainted brownies, joke votes nyn, pushes nini about her perception of joke votes, votes nini, unvotes nini and gives reason, talks about Ironeyes reads (sooh/kat mixup), talks about liking my vote staying on hallia for reasons, votes pral. D2 talking to clov about his vote on pral, a bit of a heated argument with clov, gives a reads list, complains about not being able to lynch clov, votes clov, D3 spews his tea all over keyboard LOL [paraphrased and highly exaggerated], votes clov, talked about roles [ will elaborate more if I have time sorry clov ], then starts in on turin about role stuff.  I think Dice is townie because he has been pushing and asking questions.  However I reserve the right to CHANGE my read on him at any time.

 

 

 

 

I'm not going to quote Iron's post because it's going to become an eyesore very quickly, but I do want to respond to it.

 

I don't think there's a universe where Nyn and Hallia are scummates together and Nyn started that lynch as a way of saving Hallia.  First of all, Hallia didn't really need saving, because she wasn't on the block at that point from what I remember - you were.  Secondly, I don't think Nyn goes out of way to bus teammate!Hallia only to unvote her for something completely non-game related (or mostly game related).  I'm fine with Iron mentioning hte possibility, especially since the theory he's going with is a lot more realistic.  

 

Iron, I don't understand why you're suspicious of Sooh for her role in that.  If you feel mafia was wanting to save you, I feel you should feel really good about her.  Mafia!Sooh has all of the opportunity in the world to vote Town!Pral there, and I think she'd look good for her position even if you are town.  

 

 

Now I'm kind of feeling the anti-spew thing Sooh mentioned based on him avoiding the Dice issue.  Dice made it clear he suspected Iron before but has now found reasons to avoid voting him so far on two consecutive days, and in turn, Iron isn't discussing his take on Dice's late vote.  

 

 

 

So...Dice D3?

I said Dice D2, but nobody listened to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[v] Wifi [/v]

I see nothing moving me. Looking at who was in that lynch she is most suspect.

 

 

[v] Wifi [/v]

I see nothing moving me. Looking at who was in that lynch she is most suspect.

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

Wildfire isn't mafia.

 

You pushing there is suspicious.

 

 

Do you know that she isn't?

 

Who else are you suspicious of?  I'm not ruling her out, but I feel like she's the only person you've really pushed this game.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

I want Iron to weigh in - isn't he conf town now?

 

Unless there was some sort of manipulation going on (I said GF before, I guess there could have been redirection), yes.

 

I guess if town gets an IC, scum getting a GF isn't outside the realm of possibility.

 

 

That's true.

 

 

 

 

vote clov


now totally sold on clov kat team


theres nothing in the PM to suggest anyone HAS a role. If there was a doc for example wouldnt they have protected laine and nyn?

Why would they have protected Alanna?

Oh right, because was thr Innocent Child. Which again...was announced at the beginning of the game.

So while there's nothing that suggests there must be roles in the PM, there very much is something in the game to suggest there CAN be.

 

 

 

 

well to continue with that post.  Here is what is going through my head atp:

 

Hallia could be 3P: a lyncher and I could be her lynchee: The Lyncher is a third-party role whose win condition is to get a specific person (the Lynchee) lynched.  Hallia has done nothing but try and get me lynched since D1.  

 

I have been switching Dice/Clov all day between scum/town.  I was going to do some more editing then get back to them but I posted instead so keeping to that for now.  However, I want to put a few thoughts out there:

 

WHAT IF: clov and dice are scum together/tress and hallia indy.  They worked out this argument in the mafia qt. and they are just playing us for fools....AND IRONEYES IS TOWN....thats 1

 

WHAT IF: dice/kat/tress mafia team + hallia indy:  I was a little iffy on giving kat a place in my town sooo...  AND IRONEYES IS TOWN...thats 2

 

and I'm all what if'd out...I had a lot more I wanted to say..but it'd be useless if I was still writing like I was last deadline...

 

 

[Wildfire Sedai]

DAY 3 VoteCount

 

WiFi (1): Hallia

 

Clov (1): Dice

 

Dice (2): Turin, Ironeyes

 

Kat (1): Sooh

 

Ironeyes (1): WiFi

 

Not voting (3): Clov, Katiora, Tress

 

 

If we look at my What if statement #2 above but replace dice with clov you get all the non voters and hallia just unvoted me because I found her scummy like she found me scummy?? 

[Wildfire Sedai]

well both clov and kat have 1 vote each and now I am beginning to think that my town read on kat was wrong... and Ironeyes might just be town so [unvote] [v] clov [/v] am willing to switch to kat if no one wants to lynch clov today, just saying.

[Clovdyx]

DAY 3 VoteCount

 

WiFi (1): Hallia

 

Clov (1): Dice

 

Dice (2): Turin, Ironeyes

 

Kat (1): Sooh

 

Ironeyes (1): WiFi

 

Not voting (3): Clov, Katiora, Tress

 

 

[v]Dice[/v]

[Ironeyes]

I would rather lynch Dice today than Clov, but I don't have a problem with either one

[Clovdyx]

Going to get caught up.  I don't understand why Wifi is lynching a peeked townie, and I think Hallia said she believed the vig claim, so her vote still being there is a really bad look right now.

[Ironeyes]

Going to get caught up. I don't understand why Wifi is lynching a peeked townie, and I think Hallia said she believed the vig claim, so her vote still being there is a really bad look right now.

Wifi was convinced I'm a godfather but she gave up on that

[Clovdyx]

Maybe a better way to say it is that mafia KNOWS who is on THEIR TEAM. they do not know any other possible alignments. In a game this size that was described as "standardish" by the MOD, to me that would mean possible third party as well as mafia.

 

With only a single kill each night I would say that a SK is unlikely unless they happened to holster, get blocked and/or double tap Alanna and Nyn the first two nights. This could help explain how the IC died N1. Alanna should have been protected N1 in this game as there were no other outed PRs but it may be that the doc protect only worked against 1 shot. That part is pure speculation however. 

 

 

I agree with the first paragraph; how are we to know if there's a third party? And with regard to the second paragraph, I find it highly unlikely that an SK would shoot the same target as the scum two nights in a row. They have different goals than the scum and are threatened by different people in the game. Based on that, I don't think there is an SK in this game. But I wouldn't be surprised to see a survivor-type role (what do you call those now a days?) instead. If that is true, then it might offer another possible explanation of why nobody but Nyn died last night. The only time I modded a game, I gave the survivor a BPV, and if there is one in this game he/she could be the same. 

 

Also, I am of the opinion that there were no randed roles in this game except Alanna, and that if we get a doc, it'll be through a competition. Possibly the one today, but who knows. 

 

 

Turin is absolutely correct about there being a possibility of a third party, which I think I already stated when Wifi was saying her idea about there being four mafia.  I agree with him about a serial killer being doubtful for exactly the reasons he's stated - we PROBABLY would have seen evidence of it (if WiFi is the SK and claimed the Nyn shot as a ballsy move to get town cred, I won't even be mad...but I'm really not considering the possibility).  Survivor isn't impossible but still not super likely?  

 

To answer your point, Iron - well, we won't until they're dead.  Either we'll lynch somebody and they'll flip something besides town/mafia, or mafia will shoot somebody.  

 

At this point, I think everybody is better off trying to figure out who is absolutely town and who probably isn't and just killing from that PoE.  I'm not going on some stupid goose chase for an Indy role that's probably not in the game.  If one of my townies happens to be playing out of their mind as Indy, good on them.  

[Clovdyx]

 

Going to get caught up. I don't understand why Wifi is lynching a peeked townie, and I think Hallia said she believed the vig claim, so her vote still being there is a really bad look right now.

Wifi was convinced I'm a godfather but she gave up on that

 

 

I want to ask 'gave up on lynching you, or gave up thinking you're the godfather', but I assume I'll get to it as I read.  From my POV, even if I was absolutely convinced you were a godfather, I wouldn't lynch you today; I'd find the people most likely to be your teammates and kill them by association.  Come back for you once I can clear people through gameplay.

 

But Wifi isn't me, so...

[BFG]

DAY 3 VoteCount

 

Clov (2): Dice, WiFi

 

Dice (3): Turin, Ironeyes, Clov

 

Kat (1): Sooh

 

Not voting (3): Hallia, Katiora, Tress

 

[Wildfire Sedai]

I unvoted and voted onto you. she just hasn't posted it yet.  oh and my suppers going to come soon so I won't be on for like 45 minutes to an hour or around 5:30ish.   I DON'T SEE WHERE EITHER DICE/CLOV CANNOT BE WOLF THIS GAME. MEANING THEY ARE W/T OR T/W OR W/W.  I am not so sure on the w/w but can possibly see it happening as I have already explained in my WoT. 

[Clovdyx]

Had he flipped scum, then yeah - but now it's a moot point

 

I don't understand this post by Hallia.  WiFi was talking about her throwing shade at Dice (which I dont' think she did)...but he hasn't flipped anything.  Why is it moot?

 

 

 

Updated read list after Wifi's stunning reveal. 

 

Wifi 

Hallia

Kat

Dice

Sooh

Turin

Tress 

Clov 

 

 

I still need to get more from Turin in order to form a proper opinion. Sooh is no longer a scum read because Clov convinced me, and Tress had two letters turned back to black because she's now contributing considerably more. And Wifi is now dark green. That's all that I changed from last time. 

I'm a bit confused. You are saying that you now have Sooh as town because your biggest mafia read (Clov) convinced you of it??? Do you think it is a read he gives her regardless of his alignment? 

 

I think Dice is mafia. I see you have him as town. Why do you think he is town?

 

 

 

Updated read list after Wifi's stunning reveal. 

 

Wifi 

Hallia

Kat

Dice

Sooh

Turin

Tress 

Clov 

 

 

I still need to get more from Turin in order to form a proper opinion. Sooh is no longer a scum read because Clov convinced me, and Tress had two letters turned back to black because she's now contributing considerably more. And Wifi is now dark green. That's all that I changed from last time. 

 

Clov convinced you I'm not mafia, yet he's your strongest mafia read?

 

 

Please don't ever lynch these two.

 

This is an insanely protown thought process.

 

 

Clov: I think he is town. not gonna "fear lynch" as I haven't seen the things I associate with his mafia game.

 

Ironeyes: play reads as not town but viewed town so that overrides at present. My Dice mafia read is colouring him as potential mafia.

 

Hallia: feels town in her way. I admit to not being good at reading her.

 

Tress: leaning town slightly. She is trying when she has time. I don't see anything glaring in her ISO posts. That is a good sign to me.

 

WiFi: I literally have no clue how to read her. Some posts look pretty good. Some are like !!what!!?!

 

Sooh: leaning town with caveat that play feels like possible Indy.

 

Dice: I think he is mafia. I don't see a world in which town Dice makes that vote at EoD D1 using the reasoning he did in a non hammer game. My personal conspiracy thought is that when he saw it at 6-4 with Pral supposedly watching he was not willing to vote ironeyes cause Pral could have tied it. I do believe Pral was still on hallia.

 

Kat: is sort of linked with ironeyes who is linked to dice for me. She is basically PoE.

 

So I'm currently at

 

Clov

ironeyes****

Hallia

Sooh*

Tress

WiFi

Kat

Dice

 

Iron is high because the view. Sooh has Indy potential to me.

 

Will only be in here and there. Is early.night.

 

How in the BANANA SMOOTHIE am I your strongest townread?  I feel I've played a pretty townie game - probably not my best, but one I feel much better about than the last one - but I don't think anybody should have me as their top townread at this point.  After Dice flips, sure.  If somebody had investigated me, okay.  But over the peeked townie?  Over somebody that's basically completely out of their mafia range?

 

Explain the Indy thing for Sooh  I don't see it.  Town!Sooh has a reason to completely whiteknight WiFi, if she thinks it's necessary for preventing a mislynch.  Mafia!Sooh has it, because she could either be defending a teammate (unlikely) or trying to gain a ton of towncredit.  Indy!Sooh has no idea what WiFi's alignment is and doesn't really care about potential mislynches hurting her.  So that alone makes me unsure where you're going with that.

 

I don't see a link between Kat/Ironeyes, either.  Walk me through that.

[Clovdyx]

Wifi - Tal viewed Ironeyes as town.  It is HIGHLY unlikely that he is scum.  I know there is the chance of the GF thing, but honestly - what are the chances.   Much lower than trying for someone who is actually scummy to you.

 

Sigh.

 

This is one of weird those moments that I fully agree with what somebody's saying and dislike them saying it.  Hallia's not wrong about this in any way.  Iron would be a terrible lynch at this point.  Like I said...even if somebody thinks he's a godfather, don't lynch him.  Find his teammates and lynch them.

 

What I don't like is that she's here, she's reading the thread, and she's still not moving off.

 

well to continue with that post.  Here is what is going through my head atp:

 

Hallia could be 3P: a lyncher and I could be her lynchee: The Lyncher is a third-party role whose win condition is to get a specific person (the Lynchee) lynched.  Hallia has done nothing but try and get me lynched since D1.  

 

I have been switching Dice/Clov all day between scum/town.  I was going to do some more editing then get back to them but I posted instead so keeping to that for now.  However, I want to put a few thoughts out there:

 

WHAT IF: clov and dice are scum together/tress and hallia indy.  They worked out this argument in the mafia qt. and they are just playing us for fools....AND IRONEYES IS TOWN....thats 1

 

WHAT IF: dice/kat/tress mafia team + hallia indy:  I was a little iffy on giving kat a place in my town sooo...  AND IRONEYES IS TOWN...thats 2

 

and I'm all what if'd out...I had a lot more I wanted to say..but it'd be useless if I was still writing like I was last deadline...

 

I don't really feel the bold is true at all.  In fact, I don't think Hallia's really done much of anything.  She's been voting you consistently but there's no...effort to it.  I would expect a lyncher to actually TRY to gain traction.  

 

Her siding with me about you and then not moving on isn't her trying to get you lynched.  It's more like her not caring.

 

 

I know you're wrong about 1.  And if I didn't think you're all but confirmed town for the vig thing, I'd probably be tearing you apart for it.  But being wrong (or exploring really bad theories, to be more accurate) doesn't change your alignment

 

I don't know that you're wrong about 2, and the POE is pretty much shaping up that way.  Kat's another one that's been completely out of the thread today.  I know when we were all in Spirited Away, she basically came into the thread and fought tooth and nail whenever pressure started going her way.  She hasn't been nearly under that kind of pressure, but she's been one that's kind of been 'on the table' most of the game - where's that fight?  Where's the fire? Where's ANYTHING.

[Clovdyx]

Dice being mafia probably clears Turin, who I think looks good on his own anyway.  That would leave Hallia/Kat/Tress as my POE.  I would say Kat is the least likely teammate there because of his EoD thing, but given her disappearing act and the fact Dice went from "She doesn't know what the town role PM looks like" to saying nothing about her for half of this day, I'm not really sure that's the case.

[dicetosser1]

i went thru 3 hrs of having my eyes tested and poked yesterday and have a massive migraine and can barely open my eyes so u wont get much out of me before dl so i will dump it all here

 

Clov is mafia. simple. Theres no conviction to his game. His tone sux. My gut is screaming at me to lynch him and everytime i ignore my gut i regret it so im not going to do that.

 

Turin is building up to a doc claim i dont believe. Thats why he losing his mind about me discrediting it. I cannot see how there is a Randed doc in this game. IC being randed means nothing. It could be the only randed role. If its not then the counter to it would be a GF not a doc. We have been told we WIN abilities. they havent been RANDED. Tal won a cop view wifi won a vig shot. They didnt RAND them. Thus i dont believe theres a doc in this game unless someone won it. and then it would be a one shot.

 

Then theres his fearmongering. The whole "GF might view differently a second time" and "the doc might only protect from one shot" crud. He walked in and immediately started doing nothing but discrediting and sowing wifom about abilities. Totally believe he is mafia.

 

 

 if he even UTTERS the word bodyguard kill him with FIRE!!!!

 

 

Kat  The whole doc role thing. I think she screwed up about how our roles are gained cause she didnt read the OP and didnt recieve a town pm so she didnt know what she said. Add to that that shes done nothing this game and im thinking mafia.

 

 

Im town. Im an ADVENTURER. You lynch me you screw up and have probably lost the game.

[Hallia]

 

Wifi - Tal viewed Ironeyes as town.  It is HIGHLY unlikely that he is scum.  I know there is the chance of the GF thing, but honestly - what are the chances.   Much lower than trying for someone who is actually scummy to you.

 

Sigh.

 

This is one of weird those moments that I fully agree with what somebody's saying and dislike them saying it.  Hallia's not wrong about this in any way.  Iron would be a terrible lynch at this point.  Like I said...even if somebody thinks he's a godfather, don't lynch him.  Find his teammates and lynch them.

 

What I don't like is that she's here, she's reading the thread, and she's still not moving off.

 

well to continue with that post.  Here is what is going through my head atp:

 

Hallia could be 3P: a lyncher and I could be her lynchee: The Lyncher is a third-party role whose win condition is to get a specific person (the Lynchee) lynched.  Hallia has done nothing but try and get me lynched since D1.  

 

I have been switching Dice/Clov all day between scum/town.  I was going to do some more editing then get back to them but I posted instead so keeping to that for now.  However, I want to put a few thoughts out there:

 

WHAT IF: clov and dice are scum together/tress and hallia indy.  They worked out this argument in the mafia qt. and they are just playing us for fools....AND IRONEYES IS TOWN....thats 1

 

WHAT IF: dice/kat/tress mafia team + hallia indy:  I was a little iffy on giving kat a place in my town sooo...  AND IRONEYES IS TOWN...thats 2

 

and I'm all what if'd out...I had a lot more I wanted to say..but it'd be useless if I was still writing like I was last deadline...

 

I don't really feel the bold is true at all.  In fact, I don't think Hallia's really done much of anything.  She's been voting you consistently but there's no...effort to it.  I would expect a lyncher to actually TRY to gain traction.  

 

Her siding with me about you and then not moving on isn't her trying to get you lynched.  It's more like her not caring.

 

 

I know you're wrong about 1.  And if I didn't think you're all but confirmed town for the vig thing, I'd probably be tearing you apart for it.  But being wrong (or exploring really bad theories, to be more accurate) doesn't change your alignment

 

I don't know that you're wrong about 2, and the POE is pretty much shaping up that way.  Kat's another one that's been completely out of the thread today.  I know when we were all in Spirited Away, she basically came into the thread and fought tooth and nail whenever pressure started going her way.  She hasn't been nearly under that kind of pressure, but she's been one that's kind of been 'on the table' most of the game - where's that fight?  Where's the fire? Where's ANYTHING.

 

Wha?? I unvoted Wifi

[Wildfire Sedai]

Okay, I'm back. errrr this is why I usually don't vote....until the end cause I keep changing my mind and it makes me look bad...errr.....

 

 

anyway....I get what your saying about hallia...so if she's not trying could she be mafia?? isn't that one of her scum tells?? or still lyncher but not putting her heart into it? OK OK I won't go there again...  

 

hmmmm....dice had a lot to say....whats your take on it???

[Songstress]

WiFi ISO:

 

 

 

#40 - Says hello

 

#122 - Has seen nothing to comment on

 

#155 - Was going to make a reads list but decided there wasn't enough content, suggests people ask her questions since she is not good at starting conversations

 

#170 - "Confesses" that she is currently in another game, and she doesn't have as much to work with in this game because of other vocal players not being in this one

 

#171 / #172 - Replies to Nyn's question that she was scum in Darthe's "Beyond the Wall" game, but there was no actual town in that game

 

#175 - References game list in her signature

 

#178 - Says she was lurking because there was nobody to talk to, notes Sooh and Nyn disappeared but Nyn is back

 

#181 - Clarified that she felt Nyn disappeared because she didn't follow up with further questions for her after she responded to the previous

 

#182 - Says hello to Dice

 

#185 - Says she has no idea what she expected Nyn to ask her questions about, and emphasizes that she is not good at starting conversations

 

#187 - Discusses her development as a mafia player

 

#242 - First reads list: Alanna as confirmed town, Marsh,Clov, Talmanes, Sooh, Nyn, Dice "null - slightly townie".... Hallia/Pral/Kat/Tress "null/not enough info"... Niniel "null - slightly scummy" for taking joke votes too seriously.

 

#245 - Replies to Alanna's question that she would lynch Niniel because she's her only scum read - repeats the reasoning that she took the joke votes on Nyn too seriously, especially compared to the votes on Dice.  Suggests that Niniel was trying to make people think she was protecting Nyn in order to get her mislynched, or distancing from Dice - although she acknowledges that she gave Dice a slight town read previously

 

#246 - Emphasizes that she always includes a disclaimer in her reads lists that they may change

 

#252 - Notes that she did not think both games were going to fill up so quickly and states she will never sign up for two games at the same time again

 

#272 - Explains her absence because she had supper

 

#273 - States everyone else has already asked the questions she would have asked, and either they haven't been answered yet or she doesn't have any follow up questions... again states she is not good at starting conversations.

 

#292 - Replies to Clov's question about her read on Ironeyes (asked where she saw him "digging in") - says she doesn't remember what gave her that impression, and notes she may have been confusing the two games

 

#293 - Follows up that Ironeyes isn't in the other game but she was doing reads lists in both games at the same time and cutting/pasting

 

#359 - States she is here but doesn't know what to say, apologizes to Nyn

 

#370 - Says she has Hallia listed as slight town but she is always wrong about her, so she must be wrong... follows Nyn's read and votes Hallia

 

#376 - Replies to Pral's question that she is trusting Nyn because Nyn is one of her top town reads and knows Hallia very well... States she does not have an alternative if Hallia comes in and claims a town PR.  (What happened to Niniel?)

 

#378 - Replies to Nyn's question that her read on Hallia changed from null to slight town after she posted some more

 

#391 - After Nyn quoted Hallia's posts that followed WiFi's original reads list, she explains that she thought Hallia had posted more than that

 

#399 - Explains that she mixed people up, and that it happens frequently because she doesn't keep notes

 

#412 - Going to lunch

 

#461 - Asks why Niniel is voting her

 

#525 - Responds to Clov that she is not discounting the possibility that Nyn could be wrong about Hallia, but she decided to sheep Nyn's vote and then waited for Hallia to come along and change her mind.  Says she got nothing from Hallia's catchup posts and "nothing sang to her" so she is keeping her vote where it is.  Says they do not need her vote to achieve a lynch.  Responds to Niniel and Talmanes voting her for her playstyle and says she doesn't even know what her playstyle is... apologizes for light posting, again emphasizes she doesn't keep notes and overexplains why she doesn't keep notes.

 

#539 - Tries to interpret Nyn's theory about Pral, suggests she's saying Pral was trying to get a lynch away from Hallia because she was a teammate but got scared when Alanna voted his other teammate Talmanes and decided to bus the weaker teammate.

 

#544 - Follows up on #539 with alternate interpretation that Pral was trying to get brownie points by defending Hallia but got scared about a Talmanes lynch and decided to sheep Nyn's vote

 

#546 - Reminds everyone that it is not a hammer game so we have to wait for deadline

 

#604 - Asks other players whether they take notes every game they play

 

#607 - Asks follow up question whether others reread the thread every hour or two

 

#623 - Follows up her questions with explanation of how she plays

 

#669 - Replies to Nyn that she decided not to follow her unvote on Hallia because she was afraid people would accuse her of sheeping Nyn again and it would look worse for her than staying on Hallia - denies that she said she didn't like Hallia's catchup posts, she said she got nothing out of them and "nothing sang to her" - which is a big difference.

 

#670 - Explains it took so long to answer because she had supper

 

#679 - Replies to Nyn's request to provide examples of Hallia's posts that she didn't like by saying she doesn't remember all of her content and is too lazy to re-read it

 

#687 - Responds to Kat's request for her to make her case on Hallia or refute the case on Pral by saying she doesn't want to mislynch and is not bussing, says she didn't want to keep following Nyn but if Kat is asking her to vote Pral she has no problem with that.  Votes Pral.

 

#710 - Quotes vote count and edits it to include her vote on Pral

 

#715 - Realizes the vote count wasn't current 

 

#735 - Says hello to Sooh and Hallia

 

#739 - Replies to Hallia that she answered questions from D1, and requests she repeat any questions she feels weren't answered... says she is done with her other game so she has more time now

 

#757 - States her WTL are Niniel, Hallia and Ironeyes, based solely on gut

 

#777 - Quotes from Niniel ISO - points out that she only said hello to Ironeyes so he may be her partner... interprets Niniel's post about being suspicious of the votes on Nyn as saying that the votes on Ironeyes were by townies... then quotes Niniel's reads list to question her statement about not understanding why people were voting Ironeyes

 

#781 - Quotes Ironeyes' response to Niniel's greeting and then decides it was a normal reply to someone who had said hello... quotes Ironeyes' reads list showing Niniel as his top town read

 

#782 - Says maybe she stopped doing all the work because nobody was reading what she wrote and taking it seriously

 

#897 - Gives a detailed description of her morning to explain her absence... Attempts to explain her keeping her vote on Hallia after the catchup by noting most of her posts were saying WiFi was scum, or saying Niniel is scum (which she agrees with)... provides quotes that she thought were weird, which she refused to do earlier (#679) because she says she didn't have time and she didn't think people would read them. Quotes the posts that "seemed weird", which were the one where Hallia asked Niniel to clarify her read of WiFi as "unfocused this game" by asking when she has seen WiFi as focused, and the one where she disputed Clov's characterization of her posts as piggybacking what others have said because she didn't change her mind on things she agreed with when others have.  Quotes the dictionary definition of "those" to support her interpretation of Niniel's post as meaning she thought the people voting Ironeyes were townies.

 

#898 - Clarifies her position on Hallia's quotes in #897 - says with regard to the first quote she is sometimes focused, and regarding the second quote she doesn't understand it.

 

#901 - After Sooh points out that Niniel's quote was referencing the votes on Nyn, not the votes on Ironeyes, she says that's what she meant and she messed it up in both of her posts about it.

 

#902 - Eating snack now

 

#903  - Again updates us on her schedule as everyone else appears to be at work or in bed

 

#910 - Says hello to Dice and asks if he has any questions for her

 

#912 - Responds to Sooh's request for her to talk about Talmanes by again asking for questions to use as a starting point.

 

#920 - Quotes several posts from Marsh - notes he admits to sheeping Pral's read on Clov... doesn't like the post where he says it might be best to lynch him as it was so similar to the one Kat quoted where she was mafia... suggests his post about town getting information from his lynch may mean he is mafia and his flip would show who his teammates are... points out he is another person who thinks Clov looks scummy... then finishes by saying if it wasn't for the post he made that was almost identical to Kat's scum game she would think he is town.

 

#921 - Quotes from Pral ISO, noting that he had Clov as mafia... states that some people are so good at looking townie that they are wolves so she thinks we should look at him further... Says she is worried that Pral was intending to post more but something happened to him, although he may just have run out of time before deadline... Suggests that she thinks Nyn might be mafia, doesn't want to ISO her for examples because she has too much content but off the top of her head she remembers Nyn questioning why someone was trusting her.

 

#922 - Quotes from Talmanes ISO... Suggests his statement that Niniel's thoughts regarding Nyn and the role PM hint "mirrored his exact thoughts" is a hint to them communicating in a mafia QT... Agrees with Talmanes' reluctance to vote Ironeyes due to activity to an extent but then gives a small rant about people signing up for games and not playing - then notes she hasn't been contributing as much but excuses that by saying she didn't think people would read her posts anyway... Points out Talmanes' comment about Ironeyes "beating some dead horses" as possible distancing - or maybe an honest read... Suggests Talmanes' reluctance to vote Ironeyes was possible unwillingness to bus a partner, or possibly feeling bad for lynching him for inactivity... Questions why Talmanes is handling Pral's inactivity differently than Marsh's...  Links him as partners with Niniel and Ironeyes... Points out his continued defense of Ironeyes and contrasts with his handling of Pral, then suggests his pushing of Clov might be distancing from a teammate.  Asks if Ironeyes is around.

 

#925 - Thinks there will be 4 mafia in this game because she expects a 30% mafia ratio... Outlines 7 potential four-person teams, states her best guess is Clov/Nyn/Niniel/Ironeyes because Pral thought Clov was mafia and he could be a deep wolf, Nyn has said some things she didn't like and she's also a deep wolf, she has weird feelings about Niniel, and Ironeyes is the one who doesn't post much and is being bussed.   Other possible teams are Clov/Nyn/Dice/Ironeyes (Dice is listed as being a low poster who has been pushing a little)...  Clov/Nyn/Hallia/Ironeyes (Hallia listed as her catchup being ok/good but she hasn't been pushing anyone)... Clov/Dice/Ironeyes and either Niniel or Hallia...  Clov/Nyn/Tress/Dice (because I have dropped under the radar and "just because")... Sooh/Dice/Talmanes/Tress... Sooh/Niniel/Tress/Dice

 

#926 - Responds to Talmanes that she was asked to check him out so she did a "could be mafia or could be town" post on him and cross-checked with two other ISOs, says she still has more work to do tomorrow but currently thinks he is town per her potential mafia teams list in #925 - requests if anyone has questions to ask her now because she only has 1/2 an hour left

 

#928 - Updates her first most likely mafia team as Clov/Nyn/Niniel/Ironeyes, changing the rationale for including Ironeyes as being that she finds his post about it being better for town if he is lynched as "too scummy for her" and states she is wiling to listen if he comes back to defend himself

 

#929 - Notes previous post didn't come out right (referring to #925 being corrected in #928?)

 

#932 - Quotes questions from Hallia and Clov.  Responds to Clov's question about why she thinks there are four mafia by noting that he's one of the ones who doesn't read her posts, and referring to the first line in her #925.  States the other two questions will have to wait until tomorrow because it's bedtime.

 

#1011 - Another detailed description of her day so far, says she is now working on responses to questions that she has quoted.

 

#1025 - Again complains that other people aren't reading all of her posts, emphasizes that she is keeping everyone up to date about why she is not available at specific times and if she doesn't post after that it's because she doesn't know what to say or has nothing to say.  Quotes several of her own posts where she gives reasons for not being available.

 

#1029 - Explains that #1025 was not yelling, just speaking very loudly. 

 

#1083 - Extremely confusing post where formatting of quotes was messed up and not attributed...  Responds to (someone's) post about her insistence Niniel was referring to the votes on Ironeyes as being by townies by explaining that she misinterpreted the posts directed at her as saying the quote didn't demonstrate she was considering them as townies, not that she was mistaking the target of the votes... Responds to Hallia's comment about her saying she hasn't pushed anyone by acknowledging that she re-read Hallia's ISO for the fifth time more slowly and she did push Niniel with some on Talmanes and herself...  Responds to Clov's further question about why she thought 30% was the magic number for mafia proportion by referencing Nolder's recent 10 player game with 3 mafia, says she doesn't believe 3 players in a 13 player game is fair to mafia, and says it would be up to the mod's discretion whether the 4th player is another mafia or 3p.  Replies to question from (?) trying to clarify her reads on Ironeyes and Talmanes in light of her ISO suggesting links between them - she states her posts were to link Talmanes to Ironeyes IF he was scum, which was consensus at that point, did further ISOs on Ironeyes and Pralaya but has not yet had time to correlate them... says she will answer with regard to her current read on Ironeyes if there is time, or her vote will be her answer.  Will answer about her current read on Talmanes in another post.

 

#1086 - States #1083 was answering questions put to her, it took two hours and the formatting got messed up.  States the numbered answers go with the numbered questions, and she still needs to address #4 and #5 before deadline.  Responds to Hallia's Vig/Cop/Doc question by saying she would vig Clov, cop Ironeyes, and doc Sooh.

 

#1210 - Responds to Clov's question about how her top mafia team prediction all fits together by reiterating her previous points about Clov and Nyn (noting that she has found a couple of quotes from Nyn), and says Turin needs to prove himself to her but gets townie points for unvoting her... believes Ironeyes and Talmanes to be town... posts her revised predictions for mafia teams: Clov/Nyn/Hallia or Turin/Dice... Clov/Tress/Turin or Hallia/Nyn... Clov/Hallia or Turin/Tress/Dice...  Quotes two posts from Nyn that made her think Nyn is mafia - one being where she questioned why Talmanes was leaning town on her, and the other where she said her initial post hinting at the language of the town role PM was a dumb reason to clear her.

 

#1241 - Votes Talmanes right at deadline with no explanation, even though she had just been town reading him.

 

#1253 - Says hello

 

#1282 - Now feels Clov/Kat/Tress/Dice most likely mafia team, believes Ironeyes was cleared by Talmanes' flip.  States Clov reminds her of the players that appear very townie but make it to the end of the game as mafia.  Says I have been flying under the radar, as has Kat - indicates she needs to ISO both of us and may replace one or both with Hallia or Turin.  States Dice has been less active than normal but still pushy and that is a scum tell.  Believes Sooh is town.  Null on Turin and Hallia, leaning town on both although Hallia is voting her.  Notes Hallia has the potential to be a deep wolf per Spirited Away.

 

#1288 - Says goodnight to Sooh

 

#1291 - Replies to Clov that she is used to Dice posting more and she believes others have pointed out him posting less than normal this game... Does not understand Clov's statement about Dice trying to lynch Kat for not thinking all town is unroled (at least I think that's what he was saying, although I believe the wording was actually bad there).  Thinks he and Dice are masterminds at the game and are bussing me and Kat as low posters, as well as each other.  Includes several additional  quotes between Sooh and Hallia without commentary/questions.

 

#1294 - Replies to Dice's questioning him a a mastermind by referencing the Julius Caesar game

 

#1297 - Clarifies that her point about Dice pushing people was intended to modify her scum read on Dice for his lower activity - meaning it was only "kind of a scum tell".   Says she is too lazy to make up her attempt to calculate the number of mafia in the game.

 

#1326 - Promises to ISO Tress, Kat, and possibly Turin

 

#1327 - Did Tress ISO - says she doesn't agree with my first reads list except for the town leans, my Hallia read, and Kat being null.  Excuses my low posting on D1 because of being out of town for the weekend but doesn't understand why I haven't been posting during the week except for night time.  Thinks I am scum because I haven't been posting except at night.    

 

#1329 - Thinks Kat is town - quotes several posts she likes as examples of her trying to solve the game even when wrong (i.e. Talmanes), notes she bolded several posts that she wants to use to put another theory out there which she states she will do over the next few posts. Bolded posts reference Clov and Ironeyes.

 

#1330 - Thinks Ironeyes is godfather to balance out Alanna's IC role and those were the only two randed roles, the rest being won from events.  States she won a 1x vig shot and used it on Nyn last night.  Thinks Ironeyes not dying even as confirmed town is either because he is the godfather or because someone doc protected him.  Thinks it is more likely he is godfather, and the other mafia members are Clov and myself or Hallia.  Votes Clov.

 

#1334 - Responds to Sooh's request for people to post more by noting that she just posted a lot and is waiting for people to comment on it.

 

#1335 - Schedule update informing us that dinner is in 45 minutes.

 

#1337 -  Replies to Sooh that she can't produce examples of why she thinks Clov is mafia, she feels like he hasn't made any mistakes and townies usually make mistakes.

 

#1338 - Asks if Sooh is still here

 

#1339 - Another schedule update that supper is coming

 

#1344 - Tells Turin not to leave yet because she is responding to his question about why she would target Nyn with a vig shot

 

#1346 - Responds to Turin by explaining that Nyn was the main pusher of the D1 and D2 mislynches, and she had made some posts (questioning why people were town reading her) that she didn't like... Thought she could be a deep wolf and mentioned it earlier but nobody took it seriously and explained to her why it wasn't likely so she vigged her as she did not believe she could convince anyone else to lynch her.  Noted that in her first game she successfully vigged a wolf N1 and felt she should follow her gut this time.

 

#1350 - Revamps her reads list - Decides to give Clov the benefit of the doubt for now so he will be slight town - unvotes... uses several of his posts to theorize Dice/Marsh/?? team. Strongly believes Ironeyes is godfather, expects we will not hear much from him due to the weekend.  States Dice slipped in referring to the "sample adventurers PM" as the OP does not refer to it as a sample.  Votes Dice.

 

#1385 - Apologizes to Dice for not having seen the wording "Sample adventurers PM" in the OP.  Quotes her #1346 in response to Marsh's question why she shot Nyn instead of him. Also states that she did not think of Marsh's point that shooting him would have been a lower risk of losing a strong town player as opposed to Nyn if she was wrong on both of them. Notes that she did not choose to shoot Clov because she thought she could get him lynched as opposed to Nyn.  Indicates she shot last night without asking for others' input because she felt she could bring resolution to the game and wasn't considering saving it or asking for help.

 

#1390 - Indicates she was not told the shot had to be used N2, but she did not consider saving it.  States she is very impulsive.

 

#1391 - Says she has been staring at Turin ISO for 2 hours.  Asks him to clarify what he meant by "mafia knows who mafia is, not who is town" - states her read on him depends on his answer

 

#1406 - Posts new reads list - Thinks Kat is town because she has provided content and asked questions.  Thinks Sooh is town because she has generated content and she understands her.  Thinks I am scummy because of ? (lack of content I guess) with the caveat that she may change her mind based on my posts.  Thinks Hallia is scum because (OMGUS) and she is trying to throw shade at Dice and she thinks Dice is town as she will elaborate when she gets to him... then says she still thinks Clov/Ironeyes/Dice could be mafia together and she could go either way on all 3.

 

#1420 - Clarifies that she interprets Hallia's last two posts of D2 suggesting Dice lynch D3 and saying GLGL as throwing shade at Dice

 

#1421 - States she will come back to that later if she has enough time, needs to finish ISOs

 

#1436 - New reads - thinks Turin and Dice are town, Clov and Ironeyes are mafia.  Posts several quotes from Clov with nothing added.

 

#1437 - States #1436 posted before she was done

 

#1439 - Votes Ironeyes because he just reminded her that she was voting for Dice who she is now town reading

 

#1445 - Thinks Hallia could be 3P - suggests Lyncher with WiFI as the lynchee... Suggests possibility of Clov/Dice/Tress scum team with Hallia as 3p, also considers Dice/Kat/Tress scum team with Hallia as 3p and Ironeyes as town.  Says she is done with "what ifs" for now.

 

#1446 - Notes that Ironeyes seems more sure of himself than D1 or D2.

 

#1448 - Asks Ironeyes to comment on her #1445 "what if" scenarios that make him town

 

#1453 - Quotes her most recent reads list and scenarios for future reference and notes that we have not lynched one scum yet so there may not be much of a future.

 

#1454 - Notes that the non-voters in the most recent vote count correspond to her #1445 What If #2 except with Clov instead of Dice, and suggests Hallia unvoted her only because she found Hallia scummy

 

#1455 -  Indicates Clov and Kat each have 1 vote and she is starting to doubt her town read on Kat, thinks Ironeyes might be town.  Votes Clov, willing to switch to Kat

 

#1463  - Responds to Clov's question about WiFi lynching a peeked townie by indicating she switched her vote to Clov since the last vote count.  States she thinks at least one of Clov or Dice is mafia, and possibly both.  Also updates us on her dinner schedule.

 

 

 

Okay.... Finally done with all that.  I did read everything in detail and try to understand what was being said, even if I couldn't always understand why.  I'd skimmed a lot while I was at work and found myself blinking and skipping the stuff that confused me during my initial read, so the ISO was super helpful.

 

I'm torn between wanting to lynch her and wanting to mentor her at this point

 

She's been all over the map with her theories and her reasons for suspecting people (seriously, too townie to be town?) and while I really despise clearing people because their teammates wouldn't let them say certain things - I have rarely seen people run their crazy posts through the mafia QT beforehand - I somehow wonder if she wouldn't be more focused as mafia.  I mean, sure, if she's mafia her teammates might just be patting her on the head and saying "fly, be free little bird, say whatever pops into your head" and laughing at the confusion... but I don't know if she's capable of selling that all-over-the-map-ness as naturally regardless of who her teammates may be.

 

So I'm not interested in lynching WiFi today.

 

And there's definitely not time to ISO Clov in detail, but I think he's going to have to go into the POE with Turin and Kat for now, although lower priority until I can analyze him in more detail.  And that's unless I'm being fooled by Dice or Hallia, or Marsh is an actual godfather.  

[Wildfire Sedai]

I think he was talking about me...I left my window open when I had supper...  

[Songstress]

So, Kat has posted once this day phase?

 

Does anyone remember her saying she wasn't going to be on at all before deadline?

[Wildfire Sedai]

I wonder if your willing to lynch me is because I have you as mafia??

[Songstress]

I wonder if your willing to lynch me is because I have you as mafia??

 

Um?

 

Is that directed at me?

[Wildfire Sedai]

IF I remember correctly I think she is still at work