Ghostbusters Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins!

[Reyoru]

Also, for the record, I have an exam tomorrow, quite likely won't be touching base tomorrow at all. If I'm still alive on Wednesday, I'll post my cases on Shad and Lenlo. 

[Turin Turambar]

Really? A hard claim this soon? Doesn't change anything I intended...

 

Due to work springing departmental audits on us, and being tapped for promotion assuming we perform well (read: 70%+ above baseline), my posting is going to get real hectic,

 

HARD CLAIM - COP

 

I do this because I think it is the most Town thing I can do, atm. My  post rate is going to be shot to hell for the next week, maybe two. This way, town stops wasting time pointing at me and gets to the serious work...

4 People voted for me... Statistically, 1 scum. Find him.

 

On game mechanics and why I don't care I have claimed:

First, Scum have safe claims, and they are main characters, IMO (notice, OPINION). Reason - I am cop, and my character is a one-scene nobody.

Second, any results I receive have a high chance of being irrelevant, as - again, IMO - I seriously believe that in a game about a movie about GHOSTS, that there will be some sort of recruit mechanic, or possession.

Third, Ithi is ebil... EBIL... I wouldn't put it past her to have made a scummer who hides INSIDE someone else, IE, the townie has to die to expose the ghost...

 

Therefore, this game is gonna come down to in-thread reads, IMO. The only thing I have to go on, is someone knew I was town and pushed for me. Honestly, I would have said Turin, before his claim, because he has played with me before, and should remember that the only tactic I know is making 'mountains out of molehills', jumping on people for what I see as emotional responses, and generally scummy behaviour - If he forgot how I am, I am seriously sad... not really.

 

Lynn is at the top of my list. Too emotional, too quick to join on my wagon and agree with everything against me...

 

[v]Allanalynn[/v] (spell that right?)

Here Tsuki Claims cop.

 

gimme a break eldrick.

 

 

Turin hardclaims a town role. Claims zander is mafia. We have to clear that up.  there are multiple possibilities. t/t t/w w/w  Turin could be right  he could be wrong he could be lieing it needs to be sorted out. Hence me thinking it needs to be between them at this point

 

i unvoted while we sort it out. I want to hear from zander

 

 

 

SERIOUSLY tsuki? headdesk.

This is Dice's response. No way he can pull off a fake cop claim after this. 

 

To believe otherwise is to deny reality.

[Sooh]

Thematically it would make sense to have a stump in this game. 

 

I'm struggling to see a way that RTE is town here, and I've been really trying and reading on mafiascum to find out if there are possible roles that may have caused him not being lynched. Governor is one. Governor can be either alignment. A town governor here who did the switch might have done so because they were scum reading Zander more than RTE. A scum governor might have done that to a town RTE if they wanted to create confusion in the thread. I am not sure it's very likely that there is a governor at all. Going to read more about scum roles now.

[alannalynn]

Turin. That's not necessarily the point.

 

WHY STUMP.

 

Claim doc and get a cc, claim cop and garner attention. Claim vig and get cleared for a bit.

But stump? I highly doubt that Dice pulled that out of hat and decided that that was the best choice. More likely that it's the truth.

 

 

Stump is in effect a dead townie with a voice. (a ghost) <---- lol see what I did there? Didn't Dice claim like page 1 with his comment about scum being afraid of ghosts or something in a gif?

Since you're so hard-fast on defending Dice, at what point do you propose we lynch him? Like, how many days are you willing to let him drag on as he is, playing defence, making minimal contributions, causing schism between the general consensus town core?

Stop putting pressure on him, let's see what happens. I think his contributions have been fine compared to a lot of the players in this game. Dice has never been a high volume player. ACTUALLY, he's the fifth highest poster of all the live players right now.

 

Just try to see it from my POV. I'd rather not lynch town if we don't have to.

[Reyoru]

Stop putting pressure on him, let's see what happens. I think his contributions have been fine compared to a lot of the players in this game. Dice has never been a high volume player. ACTUALLY, he's the fifth highest poster of all the live players right now.

 

Just try to see it from my POV. I'd rather not lynch town if we don't have to.

He's scarcely been here today. And you know its not about quantity. 

 

We're agreed we don't want to lynch town. But in this instance, lynching a stump isn't as bad as lynching another town role. 

 

Anyway, I'm happy to go RTE, like I've said. He's checked in to say not much. 

 

Vote: RTE

 

Think he's now L-2.

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

Official Vote count

 

RTE (4): Hallia, Dice, Shad, Rey

Alanna (1): Tsuki

Shad (1): Turin

Dice (1): Eldrick

 

 

Not voting (5): Niniel, BFG, RTE, Sooh, Alanna

 

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to achieve a majority Lynch

 

 

Deadline is Tuesday 19 April @ 21.00GMT (due to the weekend). You can achieve a majority vote at any point prior to this.

 

Countdown to end of Day 2 Deadline

 

27 hours till deadline

[Turin Turambar]

Basically, I'm not convinced he is town so I guess we are at an impasse.

 

Beauty of mafia is that a teammate could think up the claim.

 

How about we lynch shad then?

[Turin Turambar]

And I think it really was your point of why didn't he claim cop specifically. I said it was a death sentence. You said he could have got Tsuki lynched. I showed how that wasn't gonna happen. You moved the goalposts to reframe the dialogue into how his stump claim makes him townie. my stance is that the stump claim is perfect. Since it won't require any proof on his part. It explains why he doesn't get nk'd. It allows him to "ride the claim" to late on the game. He is even suggesting we wait until lylo to even consider him.

 

I don't think it is wise for town to let it wait. I think his play is mafia.

[Turin Turambar]

If RTE flips townie, there are probably 2 mafia on that train.

[alannalynn]

Sure I'm "moving goalposts" to re-frame it. I'm becoming SURE of it. I'll try and do some work tonight after school and see where I get. I still think RTE is the better choice today.

 

Show me why RTE is a bad choice or why Dice is a good choice, and I'll reconsider. But for right now, I'm set in my ways

[Sooh]

If RTE flips townie, there are probably 2 mafia on that train.

Should we not lynch RTE then?

 

Why?

[Turin Turambar]

Alanna, I think I already showed why dice is a good lynch. tl;Dr version... Lack of town mindset regarding town/mafia interaction and motivation/willingness to sacrifice town for mafia 1 for 1. Also easy Z read. Also weird stance on Z/T d1. Also questioning GF possible for Z or T but not when he wants himself viewed.

 

Sooh, might it be better to not lynch him if he is town? Mafia are using the fact he lives yesterday to make him the inevitable lynch today Imo. I don't like doing things mafia want.

[alannalynn]

You think rte being scum has no merit and only exists because of the lynch yesterday? And is only being pushed by scum?

[Sooh]

Alanna, I think I already showed why dice is a good lynch. tl;Dr version... Lack of town mindset regarding town/mafia interaction and motivation/willingness to sacrifice town for mafia 1 for 1. Also easy Z read. Also weird stance on Z/T d1. Also questioning GF possible for Z or T but not when he wants himself viewed.

 

Sooh, might it be better to not lynch him if he is town? Mafia are using the fact he lives yesterday to make him the inevitable lynch today Imo. I don't like doing things mafia want.

Turin, his slot is begging to be resolved at this point, and barring that he is lock clear townie to at least five of us he has to be resolved. We already know scums won't help us do that because of the lynch, so he is an inevitable lynch now, or an impossible F5/3 townie to clear. 

 

I don't hate his posts, but there will always be this looming doubt over his escape from death, and short of anyone claiming responsibility for that (which I don't think you should do btw) I can't see how we can clear him at this point. Sure, lynching scum is always better, but I can't say that RTE isn't scum, and neither can anyone else at this point I would think. I would strongly advocate for his kill. If he's town.. well, sue me, but I still think we'll have cleared up an unclearable spot.

 

[v]RTE[/v]

[alannalynn]

[V]BFG [/v]

[Turin Turambar]

You think rte being scum has no merit and only exists because of the lynch yesterday? And is only being pushed by scum?

I think it is a major part of people's reasoning. he might still be mafia. I don't know. I just want everyone to be accountable.

 

Why BFG and not shad?

[Niniel]

Finally done with my iso on Eld. My notes are three pages! 

 

First we had the thing where he voted Shad for not trusting him but not voting Dice because he always misreads him. This was early and not worth talking about much unless Turin is right and there is a connection between Eld and Shad. There are a lot of times after this that they town read each other. Eld´s reason for town reading Shad is that they comment on the same things. I don´t know any of their alignments and this might not mean anything but I´m leaving it here if I need it later.

 

I have a firm town read on Eld early d1. Or actually I had him as town longer than that. It seemed to me that he really wanted to figure things out and not just tunnel on people or make up reasons for suspecting them. 

 

But then we have the flip flopping. Here is just some:

 

#445 Votes Dice. Reason: it looks like he knows both Turin and Zander are town when he says that we should lynch one of them.

#685 He thinks Zander is scummy for talking about himself being within scum range and thinks Dice town reads him too early.

#689 Doesn´t like that Dice doesn´t want to vote Turin or Zander anymore. He says that if Zander is mafia, Dice might be too. 

#690 Votes Zander

#757 Not sure about Dice. He could defend a town read as town.

#765 Votes Rey. Could lynch him or Zander. He is not against a RTE lynch. Feels better about Dice.

#788 Worries that Zander - Turin is v/v. Should look somewhere else for a lynch.

#891 Dice and Zander is gray area.

#898 Agrees with Turin about Dice.

#899 Votes Dice

Questions Dice during the night.

 

Day 2

#1605 Votes RTE. Should be the only train. 

#1734 Don´t think there will be a consensus on RTE. Thinks Dice might be third party.

#1799 Unvotes. He thinks his own reasons for voting RTE is bad.

#1910 Votes Dice

 

 

Just reading his posts back and forth makes me dizzy. What is good is that I can see why he votes people. It´s not like Hally, who doesn´t posted much inbetween her votes. A part of me still thinks he is trying to solve things but... his flip flopping is weird, and especially his read on Dice. He follows people easily. Is it because he is willing to listen to others or just trying to go with the crowed? I can´t make up my mind about Eld. For now I will move him to null. (Which is very disappointing considering the time it took me to read all of his posts.)

 

Eld - what are your read on Dice? I know why you are currently voting him but now it looks like you think he is mafia, but you said that he looked third party earlier. 

 

Everyone - reasons why Eld is mafia/town?

 

 

I will not have the time to re-read BFG, Shad, Laine or Turin. I hadn´t intended to re-read Laine or Turin anyway. I might be able to skim their posts tomorrow. I will vote before dl. 

 

Laine - reasons for voting BFG?

Turin - reasons for voting Shad? Hm.. not sure you are actually voting him or Dice. Will have to look it up. Anyway, reasons for suspecting him.

Everyone else - thoughts on BFG and Shad.

[Ithillian Turambar]

 

Official Vote count

 

RTE (5): Hallia, Dice, Shad, Rey, Sooh

Alanna (1): Tsuki

Shad (1): Turin

Dice (1): Eldrick

BFG (1): Alanna

 

 

Not voting (3): Niniel, BFG, RTE

 

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to achieve a majority Lynch

 

 

Deadline is Tuesday 19 April @ 21.00GMT (due to the weekend). You can achieve a majority vote at any point prior to this.

 

Countdown to end of Day 2 Deadline

 

24 hours till deadline

[alannalynn]

 

You think rte being scum has no merit and only exists because of the lynch yesterday? And is only being pushed by scum?

I think it is a major part of people's reasoning. he might still be mafia. I don't know. I just want everyone to be accountable.

 

Why BFG and not shad?

Underlined: Even though he was the intended train yesterday? How much has changed irt RTE's scumminess from yesterday to today? For better or worse?

 

Bold: I'm hesitant on both. I know they're capable of a lot more and they've both made attempts to catch up and get in the game but it's falling short. Kind of want to see caught up thoughts before lynching them. RTE's circumstance is different because he's made minimal attempts. I wouldn't mind a Rey lynch today either. I plan to case him later after I take a nap. I'm half asleep atm

[Niniel]

Yes, Turin is voting Shad. Why Shad and not Dice? 

[BFG]

Evening :)

[BFG]

[v]BFG [/v]

Why?

[alannalynn]

 

[v]BFG [/v]

Why?

 

Oh there you are!

[unvote]

 

Talk to us

[BFG]

Hi Sooh!

[alannalynn]

Damn, y'all that was the quickest and easiest way to get someone in this thread. Gotta try that more often, tbh