Cleanse the Tower - Black Tower Mafia Day 2

[Kivam]

24 hour days are still short.  So are 36 hour days.  And your 36 hour plan assures that we have no more than 36 hours for any day after Day 4 even if we do lynch mafia, which also seems like a bad idea.  So yes, I'd like to bank time on D1 and 2, and make D3 and D4 50 hour days.

[Locke]

It's mafia, everyone's self-conscious.

 

I'd vote 24 hours just because that's what would give me the most opportunities to post, but I'll sway a little lower or higher if it works better for the majority

 

Looking forward to casting a vote for Dice tomorrow

[Kivam]

It's mafia, everyone's self-conscious.

 

I'd vote 24 hours just because that's what would give me the most opportunities to post, but I'll sway a little lower or higher if it works better for the majority

 

Looking forward to casting a vote for Dice tomorrow

 

Same question to you as to Ithi - do the 4 hours between 8 Eastern and Midnight make a difference to you?

[Lenlo]

24 hour days are still short.  So are 36 hour days.  And your 36 hour plan assures that we have no more than 36 hours for any day after Day 4 even if we do lynch mafia, which also seems like a bad idea.  So yes, I'd like to bank time on D1 and 2, and make D3 and D4 50 hour days.

I agree with this. D3 and D4 should get the most hours cause they are going to be the most important days, easily.

 

[v]##24 hours[/v]

[Yates]

And if you want to make it less than 24 hours... I already explained a few times why THAT is a bad idea.

I think you are falling in love with your math instead of logical reasoning.

 

This isn't a simple math problem if you take the mechanics outside of theoretical scenarios.

 

When Ithi suggested moving up from 20 hours to 24 hours, for example, Kivam asked the very specific question of if ending the game at 5 AM versus 1 AM her time would make any difference. I haven't actually seen Ithi respond to that question outside of "if I'm there, I'm there." So in that SPECIFIC example, those extra 4 hours sound like a waste to me.

 

Can you provide me a SPECIFIC concrete reason that a 36 hour Day 2 will help YOU - specifically - be able to post better versus a 20 hour Day 2?

 

Might I suggest we could reward ourselves with a longer Day 3 by lynching scum Day 2?

[Yates]

I've been ninjaed.

[Leyrann]

24 hour days are still short.  So are 36 hour days.  And your 36 hour plan assures that we have no more than 36 hours for any day after Day 4 even if we do lynch mafia, which also seems like a bad idea.  So yes, I'd like to bank time on D1 and 2, and make D3 and D4 50 hour days.

 

Why would days after day 4 need to be even longer? Would we not have MORE information by then, which would mean we would need less time to come to a consensus?

[Leyrann]

 

And if you want to make it less than 24 hours... I already explained a few times why THAT is a bad idea.

I think you are falling in love with your math instead of logical reasoning.

 

This isn't a simple math problem if you take the mechanics outside of theoretical scenarios.

 

When Ithi suggested moving up from 20 hours to 24 hours, for example, Kivam asked the very specific question of if ending the game at 5 AM versus 1 AM her time would make any difference. I haven't actually seen Ithi respond to that question outside of "if I'm there, I'm there." So in that SPECIFIC example, those extra 4 hours sound like a waste to me.

 

Can you provide me a SPECIFIC concrete reason that a 36 hour Day 2 will help YOU - specifically - be able to post better versus a 20 hour Day 2?

 

Might I suggest we could reward ourselves with a longer Day 3 by lynching scum Day 2?

 

 

Math = logical reasoning. It's the very DEFENITION of it.

 

A 24 hour day would mean - starting at 6 AM tomorrow for me, that I would be able to check in once that evening. Making it a 36 hour day would mean that I could most likely hop in the next day just before the deadline, so it would indeed matter.

 

Also, don't we have more chance lynching scum if we have more time for discussion?

[Yates]

1st - please respond to my post 330 above. Thanks!

 

2nd - I was thinking along the same lines as this earlier in the day:

Why would days after day 4 need to be even longer? Would we not have MORE information by then, which would mean we would need less time to come to a consensus?

But something I didn't consider were things like counter claims and weighing balance. When you have the information is when it's the most crucial to stop. Think about what the information means. Ask some follow up questions if required. Then make an INFORMED decision that is more likely to result in a scum lynch. In this case, we get all that time back anyway, so it's not as big of a deal as it appears to be in a theoretical vacuum.

[Yates]

A 24 hour day would mean - starting at 6 AM tomorrow for me, that I would be able to check in once that evening. Making it a 36 hour day would mean that I could most likely hop in the next day just before the deadline, so it would indeed matter.

 

Also, don't we have more chance lynching scum if we have more time for discussion?

6 AM deadline would be rough. So that's valid.

 

Our discussion phase ended up being a huge mechanics talk today. I'm not anticipating a ton of new information coming to light in the AM outside of another flip - likely on a low volume poster in order to limit the information provided. So I'm not overly concerned about the extra time for discussion. It's just the voting time that has me a little worried.

[dicetosser1]

 

 

ummm actually I said time debates are completely pointless, my focuse on Time is that that she made a statement with no reason just to be seen making a statement with a vote common mafia tactics.

 

 

as far as your reaching on Ley it's plainly obious what he's saying. Reacher no reaching.

Time debates pointless? Why? Your reasoning given earlier leaves much to be desired. Mafia would want a deadline that gives them advantage. So if shorter deadlines give them advantage(my belief), then it makes sense to question those that wanted shorter deadlines. Especially those that are discounting lynching mafia day one.

 

See you are contradicting yourself in that you say she gave no reason and then say she was using common mafia tactics. Which would be a reason. Maybe even a good reason since there is a reason for tactics to be classed as common.

 

Your position on Ley is noted. thank you.

 

I.need to sleep now. Another long day tomorrow.

 

 

here

 

 

 

 

actually no that is not backflipping at all. He's trying to say that I contradicted myself by saying she had no reason and then calling it a common mafia tactic. The truth is she had no reason, if you take the post at face value, there is no reason in the post which is what I said. Making a bandwagony-ish vote/statement is a common mafia tactic but that doesn't magically put a reason in the post so please sir tell me how this logic of yours works.

 

 

 

actually i read all that to be in regards to time as in Hours not the player

[Leyrann]

1st - please respond to my post 330 above. Thanks!

 

2nd - I was thinking along the same lines as this earlier in the day:

Why would days after day 4 need to be even longer? Would we not have MORE information by then, which would mean we would need less time to come to a consensus?

But something I didn't consider were things like counter claims and weighing balance. When you have the information is when it's the most crucial to stop. Think about what the information means. Ask some follow up questions if required. Then make an INFORMED decision that is more likely to result in a scum lynch. In this case, we get all that time back anyway, so it's not as big of a deal as it appears to be in a theoretical vacuum.

 

 

And why is there no chance we can do so day 2? I mean, what if the cop finds a guilty but doesn't want to reveal and therefore tries to get that person on his posts? Then he'd need the time he could get tomorrow.

[Kivam]

 

1st - please respond to my post 330 above. Thanks!

 

2nd - I was thinking along the same lines as this earlier in the day:

Why would days after day 4 need to be even longer? Would we not have MORE information by then, which would mean we would need less time to come to a consensus?

But something I didn't consider were things like counter claims and weighing balance. When you have the information is when it's the most crucial to stop. Think about what the information means. Ask some follow up questions if required. Then make an INFORMED decision that is more likely to result in a scum lynch. In this case, we get all that time back anyway, so it's not as big of a deal as it appears to be in a theoretical vacuum.

 

 

And why is there no chance we can do so day 2? I mean, what if the cop finds a guilty but doesn't want to reveal and therefore tries to get that person on his posts? Then he'd need the time he could get tomorrow.

 

 

There's always a chance.  Just like there was a chance D1.  The question is when is it more likely

[Leyrann]

We have more information. There will be people with power roles who may be able to say something. The NK might raise suspicion. We have more posts in general to go off. I wouldn't want to say we should take the additional 12 hours from day 1, but I don't believe there's use in making day 2 24 hours too. Even if only because that would mean I'd be able to check in only once, halfway through, and with such short days a lynch could build up on something weird I said that moment (like that "we" earlier, that ended up making sense after all) without me being there to defend myself. It's actually happened to me already once.

[Yates]

Yeah but, we have more information NOW, right? We know EP was a Townie. So what does that mean to you?

[Turin Turambar]

[V] ##40 hours.[/v]

 

Puts the deadline at 4 pm EST. 9-10 pm for most Europeans. And I think manageable morning for oz, India.

 

Plus more time Is better. There are people that still haven't checked in.

[Niniel]

When does day 2 start? (You can say in x hours so I don´t have to check up timezones.)

[Kivam]

When does day 2 start? (You can say in x hours so I don´t have to check up timezones.)

in roughly 8 hours

[Niniel]

Okay, that is 6 AM CET. I would like at least a day but I´m not awake at 6 AM so I think I would prefer at least 27 hours. 

 

 

[v] ##27 hours [/v]

[dicetosser1]

d2 starts like 4 30pm for me.

 

whats 20 hrs after that? my brain cant do the maths.

[Niniel]

12.30 pm? I´m not sure if that is the right way to write it in Englsih. 

[Kivam]

12.30am, dice.

[Kivam]

No, pm

[dicetosser1]

for confirmation  is that 12 30 PM as in just after noon  or 12 30 AM as in after midnight?

[Clovdyx]

Day phase ended at noon my team.  Night phase ends at midnight my time.  Well, just after.