There Goes the Neighborhood (Game Thread) - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

[Myndrunner]

And also, using your logic,since I disagree with your case on Nolder, I guess that makes me scum as well? Well done, you've nabbed three on Day One!!

 

Why are you now putting words in my mouth? This post of yours here is unnecessary and flavored with an overreaction. Nolder could have simply disagreed with my logic, but he didn't need to vote me for it. Re-read his postings and look at the language - he was setting up for my lynch to be my own fault yet he was pushing for it hard (see the one about "Why am I the only one voting him?"). This is a classic scum move.

[Ironeyes]

And also, using your logic,since I disagree with your case on Nolder, I guess that makes me scum as well? Well done, you've nabbed three on Day One!!

 

Why are you now putting words in my mouth?  This post of yours here is unnecessary and flavored with an overreaction.   Nolder could have simply disagreed with my logic, but he didn't need to vote me for it.  Re-read his postings and look at the language - he was setting up for my lynch to be my own fault yet he was pushing for it hard (see the one about "Why am I the only one voting him?").   This is a classic scum move.

 

That was sarcasm, Mynd, not overreaction. I feel the same as Ishy, even though I agree with your case on Nolder.

[peacesells]

Nolder, on the other hand, won't let this go because its the only thing he's got right now to get me lynched. He wants to push the issue so that I look like I got poor, innocent EP modkilled because of my hypocritical bastard self.

You're right. I said I'd let it go and I kept going. I'm sorry.

I'm letting it go now though. I'm not going to say any more about it.

I will say that I have not pushed your lynch since this issue came up and it's somewhat annoying that you'd spin it like I am.

 

He freely admitted that if I claimed Finder of Healer that he would not unvote me.

I've seen you say this several times now. That didn't happen. You're lying and that speaks for itself.

 

You continue to think that Mynd is scum? Can you run down your reasons again just so the rest of us are aware without Mynds revisionist input.

[Ironeyes]

That's a good way to describe it...

[Naeann]

I never noticed Nolder say he wouldn't unvote you even if you claimed doc or finder either... can you quote that for us Mynd?

[Blackhoof]

You really think that this was a set up considering that EP insulted mynd and pretty much got modkilled as a result? Looks like complete fabrication.

 

unvote, vote blackhoof

 

 

Blackhoof.....wow. Yeah, EP and I plotted to get him Modkilled. I love playing with this guy!

 

No, not at all, i never said that. You are misinterpreting my post. You see, what i think, is that Mynd did this to vet either himself or EP. Mynd is known for his odd theories, so he is the only one who could try it without arousing too much suspicion. Look at how people defendeed and ignored EP- maybe this was a way to protect him even? I doubt they planned the modkill, or EP using that word, nor do i think EP was supposed to die. If he did though, look who's the hero- Mynd. Look at the people saying that he is "pretty much confirmed" and "more likely to be town". Ever since my first major game- when Mynd fooled us all by claiming that he had spoken to the Aelfin (or the Eelfin, whichever are the snakes) and found out information, winning the game for the town, i have learned to be wary of ANYTHING that he does.I think that the disagreement was due to EP taking his advice to distance himself from Mynd too seriously. He offended several people, and Mynd chastised him on-thread instead of (or as well as) on their QT to perhaps either voice his genuine annoyance or reinforce the distance between them as a ploy. Maybe it was a bit of both. Then EP got Mod-silenced, and mod-killed through his own silly actions, i imagine much to the disgust of his teammates.This is just speculation of course, but I think that it holds water.also, notice how BG distances himself from Mynd's theory now? he argued vehemently in support of it, even opening another thread to demonstrate the maths of it, but now it is a "crazy scheme"? Hmmmmm.....

Wow. Just....wow....I can't see how you can think this, honestly. IMHO, the whole thing with EP, and how he flipped, makes me think Mynd is town more than ever. Much too early in the game for a gambit such as you're describing. Vote Blackhoof for voting for an, IMO, almost certain townie.

 

The Nolder lynch is interesting, seems like people are bandwagoning on him for not agreeing with the use of the R word.

 

Can't see how I would think that? That are the odds of Mynd picking someone essentially at random and them being scum? Roughly 1/4, not impossible i will grant you, but this all seems to have progressed TOO well for Mynd if you ask me. The fact that you consider him vetted for making either a lucky guess or a part-failed gambit is evidence as well.

My experience is Blackhoof looks scummiest when he is town. He goes out of his way to look innocent when he is scum. He's acting a fool therefore likely town.

 

I do? hmmmm.... noted. I suppose i am more reckless as town because i am not thinking about what i do as carefully as i do when i am mafia.

But this post jumped out at me as sounding like it was defending EP by going after Nyn for her EP vote.

 

I was not defendign EP specifically- i was arguing agaisnt mynd's theory. He could have voted Ishy, or Nolder, or Songstress or Peace, or anyone, and i would have argued the point.

[Blackhoof]

damnit!

 

sorry for the block of text guys >.

[peacesells]

So Hoof..you believe in this ploy theory strong enough to be reasonably sure Mynd is scum? Your theory is so thin it's anorexic. (Will i get in trouble for saying that?)

 

I doubt that EP would carry it so far as to actually use a word that he knew would insult Mynd..and I doubly doubt Mynd would have responded in game. He most likely would have discussed it with EP in scum chat. And EP wouldn't haven't gotten upset enough to follow up with dissallowed posts that got him Mod killed.

 

Either you haven't really thought through your theory or you are rationalizing because you fear Mynd for some reason.

[Sakaea]

Yay for Drunk Mafia ^TM!!!!

 

So can we just lynch hoofster and be donew ith it already? I think his reaction to EP's death was overdone, way too OMG!!!! and scummy in genrel. *nods*

 

Ishy, are you my DD? *throws him the keys to the Subaru*

[John E. Kelley]

I'm always here for my Kae-kae. Need me to hold your hair while you upchuck too?

[Darthe]

I am not buying this. Nol acted scummily. BH overreacted like normal and Ishy has been pretty much normal ishy. Mynd deserves some suspicion but Nol moreso at the moment. It seems to me that the case being built is a bit estranged. Equally odd to me is that though many of you are questioning Mynd nobody is voting him yet people are jumping on a BH train virtually unnoticed.

[keyholder21]

Don't have time for a full "Heartcap" right now but from what I remember of my quick read through:

 

HAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAAHAHA

 

So, Nol, what does it mean if I'm replacing Levity in this game? ;)

 

The whole "they haven't been mafia in this long so they must be mafia now" argument is idiocy (see Hoof's post. I'm watching those going along with it >.> <.< >.>

 

And with that, I'm off to review with a friend for my last final (I'll be on as much as I can but I have to pack and do a bunch of other end of the year things right now. Should be able to stay in the game though)

 

Here's the last time Heart had a game related post. I realize she's in school, but four RL days without posting game stuff is a little much. Last time I went TWO days in a game, my coplayers were calling for my head (and lynched me!) . So, I'd like to know where she is.

 

Also, she mentions that Mynd's theory is idiocy, that she's watching those that go along with it, but yet doesn't vote for anyone.

 

Before Heart, Levity seemed to jump to EP's defense rather quickly.

 

It's almost always a crapshoot on day one, so why not?

people who try to justify picking one person out of the bunch "at random" sets alarm bells off in my head

 

granted Mynd's BS says that his vote isn't "random" but I guess that's also kind of my point

he didn't vote at random so I have to ask myself why that is

 

We all pick people at random on Day One, so I fail to see how this is a ping.

 

But he didn't claim to be voting at random, so how can you claim that him not voting at random is scummy? I don't understand this logic.

 

 

Oh, sorry about the missunderstanding, that was a joke vote

 

Unvote

 

I don't remember who wrote something like this "Mynd votes EP based on a mathematical equation, but did not include himself on that list, which would make him the most likely candidate to vote on"

 

And then you (Mynd) say that you didn't include yourself on that list because "I know that I'm town". I do not like that statement, it's hypocritical.

I'm going to vote you based on this reason, but It doesn't apply to me because I'm above suspicion.

 

Vote Mynd

 

No ofcourse not Mynd. But if I make a list like that, I apply the rules for that list for EVERYONE. No one gets exclusive right, not even me who makes it. Logic based on pure math is just that, Pure math. Therefor you can't cross yourself from that list even if You know your town. Such surveys are meant to be impartial.

 

That's how I feel on the subject, hence my vote on you.

 

I think this is a bit twisted, honestly, Arez. It was Mynd's theory, so why should he include himself? It's not about the “proper” or “pure” math as we've seen stated since by some other players, it's merely about what he thought up and why he chose EP. It's interesting to fault him for not including himself in his own theory. When I look at what makes people scum when I'm doing a reread, I disregard myself and anything that I've done that might be scummy – does that make me hypocritical too? Furthermore, it's been fairly established that it was part of a ploy to get people going, so using this reasoning seems off to me.

 

Guess what?? Mynd was right. Go figure. Anyone want to continue to vote the man? I refer you all to my previous post kthxs.

 

You say this as though Mynd being correct about EP automatically makes him town. I'm still open to the possibility of him being scum, either as sacrificing EP to vet himself as town, or as a competing scum. EP was specified as a member of the Italian Mob. I'd find that oddly specific if there was only one scum team. In a game with this many players, Mynd could be a mafia from a non-Italian faction.

 

I find your belief in two mafia teams rather “oddly specific” almost as if you have outside knowledge that the rest of us do not...

 

 

Not sure on the nolder thing yet. He tends to be rather tenacious when he has an idea, so I'm not sure if him arguing to what seems like the better end is really a scumtell or not.

[Ironeyes]

Yay for Drunk Mafia ^TM!!!!

 

So can we just lynch hoofster and be donew ith it already? I think his reaction to EP's death was overdone, way too OMG!!!! and scummy in genrel. *nods*

 

Ishy, are you my DD? *throws him the keys to the Subaru*

 

I'll drive. I don't drink.

[Blackhoof]

@Key: I think that Basel was just speculating with his "oddly specific" comment, becasue it kind of is. When you say "mob" or "mafia" we know what you mean- the italian or sicilian mob. it is not really necessary to say "italian mafia" unless there is a "sicillian mafia" or a "japanese mafia" as well.

 

it could just be a more detailed description of a standard mafia, though, so meh

[Myndrunner]

Again, it was just a theory - I said I wanted to try and test it and being a vanilla townie, I decided to give it a try. It worked....sorta.

[Nolder]

Nolder, on the other hand, won't let this go because its the only thing he's got right now to get me lynched. He wants to push the issue so that I look like I got poor, innocent EP modkilled because of my hypocritical bastard self.

You're right. I said I'd let it go and I kept going. I'm sorry.

I'm letting it go now though. I'm not going to say any more about it.

I will say that I have not pushed your lynch since this issue came up and it's somewhat annoying that you'd spin it like I am.

 

He freely admitted that if I claimed Finder of Healer that he would not unvote me.

I've seen you say this several times now. That didn't happen. You're lying and that speaks for itself.

 

You continue to think that Mynd is scum? Can you run down your reasons again just so the rest of us are aware without Mynds revisionist input.

my reasons haven't changed

I think he made a BS case that he thought he could back out of if he needed to because people are used to him making BS cases on day one to get the game started

[Blackhoof]

my reasons haven't changed

I think he made a BS case that he thought he could back out of if he needed to because people are used to him making BS cases on day one to get the game started

 

that too

[SBoydW]

DEADLINE WEDNESDAY 9TH @ 3 PM EST (GMT-5)

 

WITH 24 ALIVE IT TAKES 13 TO LYNCH.

 

http://www.timeandda...0&sec=00&p0=412

 

Vote Count:

 

Mynd (7) - Nolder, Basel, Arez, Nae, Tina, Little Miss, Blackhoof

Nolder (3) - Mynd, Darthe, BG

Hoof (2) peace, Kae

Ishy (2) – Songstress, Darthe

Nyn (1) - Razen

EP (1) - Nyn

BG (1) - Little Miss

Kae (1) - Ishy

 

 

Remember if you already have a vote cast you must Unvote before you cast another Vote.

[Blackhoof]

ok, we have 33 hours to come to a consensus. mynd has the majority of votes already, and it would take quite a bit of doing to lynch nolder.

 

i stand by my vote.

[Basel Gill]

Unvote. Vote Hoof. Apparently I never bolded and redded my unvote the first time.

[Blackhoof]

Going for me?

 

Well, it MIGHT be possible....

 

but i dont recommend it of course

[SBoydW]

DEADLINE WEDNESDAY 9TH @ 3 PM EST (GMT-5)

 

WITH 24 ALIVE IT TAKES 13 TO LYNCH.

 

http://www.timeandda...0&sec=00&p0=412

 

Vote Count:

 

Mynd (6) - Nolder, Arez, Nae, Tina, Little Miss, Blackhoof

Nolder (5) - Mynd, Darthe, BG, songstress, ironeyes

Hoof (3) peace, Kae, Basel

Ishy (1) – Darthe

Nyn (1) - Razen

EP (1) - Nyn

BG (1) - Little Miss

Kae (1) - Ishy

[Songstress]

....

 

/facepalm

 

Oh, good grief.

 

Unvote. Vote Nolder.

[Ironeyes]

Vote Nolder.

[Razen]

No, not at all, i never said that. You are misinterpreting my post. You see, what i think, is that Mynd did this to vet either himself or EP. Mynd is known for his odd theories, so he is the only one who could try it without arousing too much suspicion. Look at how people defendeed and ignored EP- maybe this was a way to protect him even? I doubt they planned the modkill, or EP using that word, nor do i think EP was supposed to die. If he did though, look who's the hero- Mynd. Look at the people saying that he is "pretty much confirmed" and "more likely to be town". Ever since my first major game- when Mynd fooled us all by claiming that he had spoken to the Aelfin (or the Eelfin, whichever are the snakes) and found out information, winning the game for the town, i have learned to be wary of ANYTHING that he does.I think that the disagreement was due to EP taking his advice to distance himself from Mynd too seriously. He offended several people, and Mynd chastised him on-thread instead of (or as well as) on their QT to perhaps either voice his genuine annoyance or reinforce the distance between them as a ploy. Maybe it was a bit of both. Then EP got Mod-silenced, and mod-killed through his own silly actions, i imagine much to the disgust of his teammates.This is just speculation of course, but I think that it holds water.also, notice how BG distances himself from Mynd's theory now? he argued vehemently in support of it, even opening another thread to demonstrate the maths of it, but now it is a "crazy scheme"? Hmmmmm.....

 

Considering that EP got modkilled for his reaction AFTER the PR imposed by the mod, I don't think that's the case. It's a little too early to be pulling a gambit like that, although I do think that his scum team is probably very upset with him after his reaction.

 

Guess what?? Mynd was right. Go figure. Anyone want to continue to vote the man? I refer you all to my previous post kthxs.

 

You say this as though Mynd being correct about EP automatically makes him town. I'm still open to the possibility of him being scum, either as sacrificing EP to vet himself as town, or as a competing scum. EP was specified as a member of the Italian Mob. I'd find that oddly specific if there was only one scum team. In a game with this many players, Mynd could be a mafia from a non-Italian faction.

 

I find your belief in two mafia teams rather “oddly specific” almost as if you have outside knowledge that the rest of us do not...

 

I agree with Key's statement here. Especially because the only reason that Basel gave is the specificity of the flavor for the scum faction.

 

 

Now dealing with the whole Nolder/Mynd thing:

 

Given the flip of EP, I would like to look at who seemed like they were defending him the most. Levity/AH and Nolder are the two that stuck out the most.

 

 

What I am trying to illustrate is that players who have been mafia in past games are less likely to be mafia again. Now, Verbal would be the first to swoop in and say "THATS NOT TRUE" and he would be right in raw numbers. If you flip a coin 50 times, the odds of it flipping heads on the 31st time are the same as the 1st. Therefore, the odds of flipping 50 heads is 1/2. The LIKELYHOOD is not that simple since it would only take one tails to ruin the entire gambit. Still with me? Hopefully this will make sense now.

Verbal's not here so I guess I'll have to do

 

That's not true AT ALL

 

you're just as likely to scum every time you play a game (well actually the amount of players changes things a little bit)

in the recent past I got like 4 or 5 scum roles in a row for different games

what you're saying is entirely false and has no more bearing on the game than if we sorted players by their names in alphabetical order and said those most likely to be scum will be near the end

 

And then you follow all this BS up with a vote

unbelievable Mynd

 

Unvote: Nyn

Vote: Mynd

 

Other math?

 

Im getting this weird feeling. I kinda want to defend mynd a bit. I must be going crazy.

I dont have time to go through it all properly now but what mynd said at the start was true. D1 lynches often start for complete bullshit reasons on the hope we get one of the mafia. The fact that he just went for it and didn beat around the bush got everyone's tail feathers ruffed.

The ruffling got some interesting reactions though.

But yea, I think what mynd did at the start was just choose someone at random and put some values to it to see help give it some sway (next time just light a torch, works better Mynd ;) )

Im off to sleep. Start work really early again'

 

Peace out

I disagree

I've seen Mynd do just what you're saying before

this isn't how he does it

he actually tries to justify it by calling certain things scumtells and getting in the face of anyone who defends the person he's going after

then, if he feels like it, he'll flip and go after the people who agreed with his BS

 

the difference in this case is that he isn't accusing anyone of being scum for anything they did

he's essentially "picked at random"

that doesn't sit right with me

I have a feeling Mynd was aware of his own logical fallacy

my guess is he was betting no one else did

 

and hey imagine EP being a member of his scum team or a third party scum and we lynched him

imagine how long he could keep up lynching people based on this whole process if he "got it right" the first time

 

I don't trust it and I don't trust him

not this time

 

I took both of these to be attacks on Mynd, serving to push home the point that EP was not a random choice. However, the best defense is a good offense. Even if Nolder never explicitly mentioned EP in his posts, they are attacking the logical basis used to vote EP. I get the feeling that the logic would have been attacked regardless of whom Mynd has chosen to target, but the fact is that EP did end up flipping mafia. So I’m going to Unvote, vote Nolder.