DPR Mafia - The Dark Monocle - Game Thread

[DPR]

Current Vote Count:

 

Despo ( 3 ) - Wombat, Song, Christine, aemon

Basel ( 8 ) - Ithi, Sensei, Mawthtex, Nolder, Lily, Razen, Hoof

Maw ( 1 ) - Basel

 

With 26, it takes 14 to lynch.

 

Mod, am I to read this correctly in that one of the people on the Basel vote is the person who stole Aemon's vote?

 

 

All I am going to say is that the vote counts are correct.

 

 

[aemonkristen]

I thought about that as well, Key, but I think it is probably a PM vote, so it could be used by someone trying to throw suspicion on an entire train. I think we'll have a better handle on it later in he game when trends start showing.

[WWWwombat]

Here and Vote Turin cause I can't remember if I've ever voted him day q before

 

Buries a joke vote on Turin. Scumtell 1.

 

*is now wary*

 

That shot glass looks like it's about to overflow! Must... prevent... alcohol abuse...

 

Feigned fear of the dark monocle. Scumtell 2.

 

 

You really haven't learned how to get a read on me, have you Wombat?

 

Have we played in a game where you weren't sure I was scum day 1?

 

Overreaction and faulty metadefense. Scumtell 3.

 

Of course ... it was an apostrophe though, as I have just repeated. And yet you say comma ... How strange.

 

I would ask you why you are ok with a Despothera lynch Nolder, as you are usually so good at expressing yourself, yet that vote slinks onto the growing chain with hardly a word. I'm sure he is fully able to fight his own battles however. Maybe you should wait till he asks you himself. You may even have thought of a viable reason by then.

 

Ithi pushes back at Nolder for a Des vote.

 

This is so true @ Aemon. We are playing SteamPunk Mafia, and all of our posts should be beautifully phrased and punctuated.

 

Aemon's reasoning on Songstress seems sound. Of the three available trains there are - this is the one formed from thought and reasoning. Mr Hoof's was begun for comedic reasons allegedly and also it is always fun to picture the chagrine on his face when he fails to survive again, I can not legitimately use that as a reason for voting him.

 

Despo came out loud and brash. Despo is loud and brash. It means nothing to me, like a cymbal crashing about in a room full of shouting people. He would like to wear a big hat I think. He hides his actual reasoning behind this loudness I think, and if he is Town - I would not like to lose that ability at this early stage.

 

Songstress is an unknown to me, as I am to her. She already mentions me in despatches however. No doubt she finds my posts pleasing to the eye. A different level of spam perhaps. SteamPunk Spam.

 

Of the three I would be most willing to lose her at this point, because I do not know her well enough to see what level of participation and skill would go with her. Also - she appears to be new, and yet experienced and well known at the same time. She already has the 'in jokes' and is comfortable with them. It is possible she is being supported by a team, who may have also recommended me as a tiny FoS suggestion.

 

My only reservation with moving my vote to Songstress is that Verbal was first to vote for her and this does not sit well with me. I shall help to apply a little more pressure however and see where it takes us.

 

Unvote - Vote Songstress

 

*edited for colour coding error

 

More defense of Des, as well as suggesting that the train was based on meta.

 

 

 

 

 

Most importantly, however, is that someone tried to kill me last night.

[Blackhoof]

All I am going to say is that the vote counts are correct.

 

hmmmmm in that case, I am leaning away from Basel now. town vote-stealers are rather rare if i recall, unless of course a mafia vote-stealer is trying to drive us away by utting a stolen vote onto his scummate Basel.

 

*un-wombat-like talkitiveness*

Most importantly, however, is that someone tried to kill me last night.

 

well, womb's case is not foolproof by any means, but it is the best we have in my opinion.

 

unvote

 

vote Des

[dapianoplay3r]

I still find Basel's actions very scummy

The vote count thing makes me hesitate though. Is it possible that we have more than one roll effecting votes?

[hotpocket2006]

I still find Basel's actions very scummy

The vote count thing makes me hesitate though. Is it possible that we have more than one roll effecting votes?

 

I'm sure it's possible, but it looks like classic case of vote stealing.

 

I am still more than happy with my vote on Des right now. Mafia can be a frustrating game, especially at first, and I think Basel is just panicking because he knows not what to do. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt right now.

[hotpocket2006]

All I am going to say is that the vote counts are correct.

 

hmmmmm in that case, I am leaning away from Basel now. town vote-stealers are rather rare if i recall, unless of course a mafia vote-stealer is trying to drive us away by utting a stolen vote onto his scummate Basel.

 

*un-wombat-like talkitiveness*

Most importantly, however, is that someone tried to kill me last night.

 

well, womb's case is not foolproof by any means, but it is the best we have in my opinion.

 

unvote

 

vote Des

 

unlined bolded and italics. that is patently untrue. If you're going to base an argument on that to try and vet a townie, then you are wrong.

[a pale tanned lover]

I'm not sold on the reasons for going for des, they seem quite loose, I'm leaning towards a Basel lynch

[Blackhoof]

unlined bolded and italics. that is patently untrue. If you're going to base an argument on that to try and vet a townie, then you are wrong.

 

a few things

1. vote-stealer is not really a townie role in my limited experience and opinion

2. i have only encountered one vote-stealer in a game (off the top of my head) and it was a mafia one (it was me heh)

3. what makes it so untrue? what part of my comment was untrue? are vote-stealers that are not town rare or are vote-stealers of both alignments themselves common?

[a pale tanned lover]

I itching to vote wombat, being a Liverpool fan and us getting beaten by arsenal. I don't think advertising the fact someone tried to murder you was the best idea in a dpr game.

[Niniel]

I don't know if Basil is town or not but I do know how irritating it is when you get vote after vote and when you try to defend yourself and go after someone else and all you get is more votes because of "over reaction". I see people that are trying to blend in by being sheep on his train.

 

My internet isn't working. I have to use my phone and rely on people keeping their networks open. It will take at least two days before it works again. I hope I can get on but can't be sure. I might be able to do a re-read on my work later today. Holding my vote until then.

[WWWwombat]

FWIW Pale, I was thinking of saying Liverpool as I am a Red Sox fan and they are owned by the same people. I have been partial to the Gunners since they had Henry though.

[Basel Gill]

Trains! Beep beep! VOTE DES

 

 

Interesting that you talk about trains, yet you vote to put an extra vote on Des instead of on Songstress. When she was the last person someone voted for and that would have tied her train with Des's.

 

 

 

When will yall learn? I don't do anything unless it's over the top, and in mafia doubly so. Methinks some out there are trying to big game hunt by taking me out so early. Womby and Nol might be executing a trap for all I know, and Crusher seems to be crushin on me (Is Ape dead yet?) but Maw's vote looked the most opportunistic and I thought the same thing about his trains comment before I realized he didn't say he liked competing trains. Guess he just likes to bandwagon.

 

Unvote, Vote Maw

 

 

Well, Songstress got voted for last so i figured it was des's turn. Des, I said trains. What more do you want?

 

I could move to Mawthex. That wasn't a very good explanation.

 

UNVOTE, VOTE Maw I think his vote has been the most opportunistic vote in the game, and he reasoning didn't help my doubts about his vote. I'm cool with lynching him.

 

I almost always think Des and Nolder are bad guys, so I tend to want to give them the benefit of the doubt, until Day 2 that is.

 

 

Okay, to clarify my vote: Neither Songstress or Des really push any buttons for me. However, trains generally generate lots of good discussion, and so I wanted to help them develop. I have no particular reason for wanting either of them dead, or for keeping them alive.

 

This reeks of "explanation after the fact" for me. It's as if Maw realized he was giving himself away as scum and rushed to cover himself up.

 

Now that Hoofy's turned up and acknowledged my little (lame) joke, might as well Unvote.

 

Running to work, and I won't have a lot of time until late tonight to do a serious analysis. There are some questions in my mind on the Despo train... Maw's reasoning for voting Despo instead of me was actually a bit weak, if he didn't seriously have a preference one way or another it would have made more sense to equalize the trains.

 

Which is not to say I'd rather have more votes. But for now, this is the biggest question for me that can't be accounted for based on unfamiliar personalities.

 

Vote Maw

 

Or, rather unvote, vote Maw. A little tired this morning I guess.

 

 

question

is there anyone who agrees with Basel about Maw?

 

I decided to go back and look deeper at Maw's posts. Nol, apparently there were quite a few people who thought Maw was scummy during Day 1. And for very much the same reason I did. During the first day, he voted Des early without any reasoning behind it. It may have been a joke vote, but he did nothing to correct it and make a serious vote. All he did was provide a weak explanation when he started taking heat for not explaining himself. Now that it's Day 2, he's made another vote with just about nothing to back it up. For Day 2, he made a vote and the only reason he provided was that the person he is voting said something damning. Nothing beyond this... nothing. Nothing about what is so damning about it to him, and no followup yet when he has been challenged for an explanation. Ithi provided an explanation when asked, and while I still have my doubts about her, Maw still hasn't given anything more. Which is why I switched my vote from Ithi to Maw. In fact, the only thing he has had to say at all since then has been requesting a vote count. So I remain convinced that Maw is scum.

[mmeeshal]

I tend to agree with Tina about Basel. It's hard when people just discredit everything you say in a game by categorizing it as "defensiveness and overreacting." I'd get pretty frustrated myself; experience here.

 

Now, I'm not sure about Basel mostly because Ithi seems pretty certain he's scum, but I'm wary of going that direction atm. It's true that a lot of people just kind of said "yeah, overreaction, yeah" and voted him. Baa.

 

To Basel, though: arguing that you're not being defensive because you're on the offensive doesn't really work, just FYI. Ever heard the saying "the best defense is a good offense"?

 

Nol has bothered me a bit with his comments in this game. And acting like all Basel was doing was freaking out and trying to defend himself, when, whether anyone agrees with his cases or not, he WAS casing other people.

(The main reason people are discrediting his cases, I think, is that the people he's focusing on are on his lynch train. But that means nothing while we don't know his alignment, so prematurely dismissing everything he says is honestly quite ridiculous. You don't have to believe it, but to totally ignore it?)

Nol, you said he looks like scum trying to defend himself and forgetting to build cases on imaginary scum; if he is scum, his cases on Ithi and Maw would likely be just that.

 

I'm not going to vote Basel at this point. As sure as Ithi seems that Basel is scum, there has been a fair amount of sheeping on his train, there's that extra vote there, and I'm not particularly sure of Ithi's alignment, myself. I have been getting pings from her all over the place. XD

 

@Pale--why is it a dumb idea for Wombat to have said someone tried to kill him?

 

I dunno if I particularly agree that Wombat's "despo scumtells" are all that solid, although I think one of them struck me as better than the rest, but personally I would agree that Despo seems a better way to go.

 

vote Despo

[Nolder]

Cases? Surely you can't be referring to this post?

Those aren't "cases"

All he's saying is "you're not "backing up" your vote so I'm going to OMGUS you now" which is silly since there's nothing to back up

Ithi accused him of over exaggerating his reaction to the docs death

whether anyone finds that true or not is up to them but it's certainly not anything you can just "back up"

 

Basel would have had a point, as I said before, if he'd reacted calmly and pointed out what a bad reason that would be to lynch someone and moved on

a lynch based on a supposed fake reaction to the doc's death is ridiculous and I'm sure Ithi and others would have backed off soon enough but Basel tried to push back with an equally ridiculous case and went on to attack anyone who put further votes on him

 

these do not appear to be the actions of an innocent man to me

[hotpocket2006]

unlined bolded and italics. that is patently untrue. If you're going to base an argument on that to try and vet a townie, then you are wrong.

 

a few things

1. vote-stealer is not really a townie role in my limited experience and opinion

2. i have only encountered one vote-stealer in a game (off the top of my head) and it was a mafia one (it was me heh)

3. what makes it so untrue? what part of my comment was untrue? are vote-stealers that are not town rare or are vote-stealers of both alignments themselves common?

 

I am literally the expert on any type of voting roles. Why I hate them, yet they always seem to happen to me. I have been a vote stealer probably like 3ish times in my mafia career, and guess how many times I have been mafia with that role? None. So that's why it is untrue. You can't pass off something you think you know that I happen to know is false.

[WWWwombat]

Pretty much any role can be town or mafia depending on the circumstances of the game.

[The Crusher]

I still find Basel's actions very scummy

The vote count thing makes me hesitate though. Is it possible that we have more than one roll effecting votes?

 

I'm sure it's possible, but it looks like classic case of vote stealing.

 

I am still more than happy with my vote on Des right now. Mafia can be a frustrating game, especially at first, and I think Basel is just panicking because he knows not what to do. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt right now.

 

 

Hmmmmmm, have to agree with you. new people seem to panic and get overworked when votes pile. I have not been too involved, the picture spam in this thread is beyond me considering I have never heard the term "Steam Punk" before reading the sign p thread. Though i would have to think the Movie Wild Wild West would somewhat qualify, crack me up that movie.

 

I like the vote on Dyncamic D. His response that it was big game hunting to vote him is a little over the top. The kid is awesome to play with and has swagger but far from DPR, Doggins, or Ape's level.

 

By the way I have a good feeling on Ape this game. LOL

 

vote Dynamic D

[Verbal32]

That's a lot of reaction for a few votes.

 

Unvote

Vote Basel

 

I would dearly love to know how you consider poking holes in someone's flawed logic to be "a lot of reaction".

the problem I'm seeing is that the case made on you was silly

you know it obviously

but instead of trusting that townies wont actually lynch you for something so silly you panicked and started trying to argue the logic of something that had no logic to begin with

to me that's a scumtell

 

Nolder is correct, here.

 

 

Competing trains is nice, though.....so....

 

Vote: Des

 

(I refuse to make it red. If it somehow annoys you, then it's working as intended. <3)

[Verbal32]

I thought I'd be missing a ton of content by not being online this weekend - thank you to the steampunk spammers for making my catch-up easy. ;-)

[Red2111]

i liek the Des lynch better than the Basel lynch. i think that Ithi is also scum, just from her playing style this game and he actions in game.

 

 

Hilarious. Red is simply perturbed that I have discovered the Pirates method of determining who the Mafia Members are. All the Gingers are clearly Mafia, and those who dye their hair to appear more Ginger/Red/Auburn/Mahogony/StrawberryBlonde are clearly Symps.

 

I think Ithi is just letting her bigotry against gingers affect her judgement.

 

nah she's still peeved that the Americans whipped the British butts in the Revolutionary War

 

 

not to mention she's obviously tried to dye her hari some color of Red and have found it to clash heavily with her skin tone, therefore making her unable to wear red and secretly idolize all red heads while publicly pickign on them so now one knows she is a closet Ginger.

 

 

Vote Basel

 

Worse fake 'oh no' post I have ever seen.

 

Red Hair aside. Basel is Mafia.

 

i agree the post after Songs death pinged, but i've seen both scum and town make those types of posts. is there anythign else that makes you so sure he's scum?

 

 

How does one know they were attempted to be murdered?

 

That's the same question that I had. And even if you know that someone attempted to murder you, how do you know who did it?

 

i dislike this type of role fishing. ping to both of you for asking.

 

 

That's a lot of reaction for a few votes.

 

Unvote

Vote Basel

 

I would dearly love to know how you consider poking holes in someone's flawed logic to be "a lot of reaction".

the problem I'm seeing is that the case made on you was silly

you know it obviously

but instead of trusting that townies wont actually lynch you for something so silly you panicked and started trying to argue the logic of something that had no logic to begin with

to me that's a scumtell

 

i tend to agree with this. but from the Meta on Basel says he tends ot over react liek this all the time, so relaly its a null tell for me on him. he just doesn't react that well to pressure imo; soemthign he needs to get better at imo, but his reaction alone is not something i'm willign to lynch him over.

[Red2111]

VOTE: DESP

forgot to include it in my post

[DPR]

Current Vote Count:

 

Despo ( 8 ) - Wombat, Song, Christine, aemon, Hoof, Meesh, Crush, Verb, Red

Basel ( 7 ) - Ithi, Sensei, Mawthtex, Nolder, Lily, Razen

Maw ( 1 ) - Basel

 

With 26, it takes 14 to lynch.No deadline has been set.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I agree the post after Songs death pinged, but i've seen both scum and town make those types of posts. is there anythign else that makes you so sure he's scum?

 

 

Yes ... not 100% sure, but if you had seen it you would have been narrow eyed and suspicious and wanting to test his reactions to a vote, which is what I did.

 

His post seemed forced and over done, like he felt he 'should' say something like that.

 

Also ... I look fabulous in red, but better in blue :)

 

Having two strong voting trains will yield information however, I am not prepared to capitulate on my strong feelings that Basel finds himself on a mafia team that is not helping or supporting him. At the moment I think there is a sufficient amount of time for other people to take one of the trains to its ultimate conclusion.

 

And my style is marvellously different this game - I am SteamPunk Ithillian. This is my native language and dialect and I am delighting in using it to its full advantage for once. I think I may even remain Steampunk Ithillian in all of my future games because I am enjoying it so much.

[keyholder21]

I thought about that as well, Key, but I think it is probably a PM vote, so it could be used by someone trying to throw suspicion on an entire train. I think we'll have a better handle on it later in he game when trends start showing.

 

Good point.

 

I waited to vote because I wasn't sure how I felt about the Basel vote. While I don't particularly like his overdefensiveness, I've been in that position. You get stuck on what you want and no one listens, and they lynch you for being obsessive. As far as the original vote - I don't really think his statement was all that "damning" in particular and like meesh commented, there's been an awful lot of sheeping onto his train.

 

I still think Maw's responses have been odd, but that could be because I have thought he was mafia in every game I've played with him.

 

Ithi is pinging me too, Red (I can't believe we agree on something).

 

I don't like Verbal's vote.

 

As far as the Des vote, I don't know if I agree with everything that Womby posted as being scumtells. However, as someone tried to kill him last night and he was against Des from the start, vote Des.