Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[dapianoplay3r]

dude it was just a lighthearted point. The main thing was the rest of the post

[Blackhoof]

Maybe they can only reveal in sequence or something? Like Aemon was discredited as the real DR so a new one popped up. So i think maybe until this new one is proven false the real one cant step forward. Or something to that effect

 

You make a good point, i hadn't considered that, if this is the case, then we need to wait for Red's say in this, i suppose. What with her being Moiraine and all, she will know.

[killuliu]

Maybe they can only reveal in sequence or something? Like Aemon was discredited as the real DR so a new one popped up. So i think maybe until this new one is proven false the real one cant step forward. Or something to that effect

 

But then again, in the books there were three false DRs at once, so why couldn't we have multiple here? And in the books it was at the moment Rand fought in the sky that the falses got struck down, not vice versa. But you could be right also, after all this is just based on the books, not the books themselves.

[Vambram]

Uhm... Vambram... I distinctly said that you would be filling the SECOND falsie spot, implying that I believe Aemon is the FIRST falsie... Do you even read the whole post before responding to people?

 

 

Yes, I do read the whole post before responding to people. I also remember you distinctly implying that you believe that Aemon is town, and thus that also implies to me that you believe .... but cannot prove, ... that he is the dragon reborn. I apologise for any misunderstandings.

[aemonkristen]

Once the true Dragon Reborn revealed himself the pattern no longer had room for the false dragons and they were removed from the equation. To me it would make sense that anyone can reveal as the DR until the true DR reveals and then the false DRs should be disabled somehow?

 

Thank you. This is what I was trying to get at. I have not been affected in any way by Vam claiming Dragon Reborn.

[Red2111]

UNVOTE VOTE: BLACKHOOF

i'm good with a lynch on him. though i still think Mynd is scummy in his own; but i agree, i'd perfer to hear what Aemon has to say about the whole "i veiwed him" thing.

 

I am the Dragon Reborn.

 

you are not Rand AlThor.

 

 

I have lost track of all the Reborn Dragons...

 

Who all is claiming it now, and has anyone renounced their claims?

 

I do get the feeling that at least one of them is a Taim/Uber mafia.

 

but they can't all be mafia scum.

 

I don't want to vote for anyone else until I am sure that we have a mafia person.

 

 

3 people so far have claimed Dragon.

 

1st, (Day 1) Aemon, whom we all believe to be Logain; because other than claiming Dragon he has done nothign else to make us suspect him.

 

2nd, (Day 2) Mynd, to see what woudl happen and to get a response from me; he's been rather scummy here recently, and withdrew his claim immediately.

 

3rd, (Day 3) Vam, whose been moderatley scummy this game imo and i believe is more likely to be Taim if he persists in his False claim.

 

 

i would rather a finde sort this situaiton out, rather than lynching blind. there are other false dragons mentioned in EotW that Wombat could have used (not likely though imo) so best to find out their alignments first.

 

 

 

Is it possible that when Aemon claimed to be the Dragon Reborn, that he was actually a false dragon? And how do we know that Red is the one whom gets to be the only one whom can accurately say whether or not a person is the Dragon Reborn?

 

Not all of the Flase Dragons were diposed befrore Rand made his claim, the only thing that happened was that no other Flase Dragons appeared. Taim wasn't disposed before Rand claimed. he approached Rand while Rand sat on (the Sun throne i think; or it could have been the Lion Throne) when Rand said that all men who could channel shoudl come to him and no harm would come to them. i think this was FoH (the 5th book). he then bowed to Rand and acknowledged Rand openly as the true Dragon.

 

You don't know Vam. I would hope, given other characters attachments in the series, that more than just me would know who the true Dragon is. Mat, Nyn, & Elayne for instance. Suian as well. there are a hand full of others who are likely to know who Rand is; but as of yet i'm the only one outspoken against the Flase Dragons which is fine. I'm not so useful that the game can't go on without me, so in order to make sure the True Dragon will walk in the Light through this game, i'm willing to sacrifice myself.

 

But let me assure you, having me lynched or killed will not turn out good for you False Dragons; because my death will expose what i've said as truths and as a Dark Friend, i'm doubting that's sometign you want. so by all means, start hammering for my lynch because you want proof and put the own noose aroudn your neck.

 

 

 

All that, merely speculation, ok? Is it worth it, i dont know. Verbal seems like a good choice, as him being scum would implicate BOTH mynd and aemon. I am making a few leaps of faith here, but hey, no guts, no glory, right?

 

stop trying to be like Mynd and link two people together. Verb's alignment does not implicate or exonerate anyone. and yes, if you are scum then we would gain a whole lot; as taking down one scum gives us alot.

[Red2111]

i'm unsure how Wombat would have worked the mechanic of False Draongs versus Real Dragons.

 

as for the False Dragons losing their powers or being resricted, that could happen; though tbh the only thing i can really see was that the Flase Dragons were forced to withdraw their claims in the books; they didn't lose the ability to channel or anything, only thier followers & threat.

 

having to withdraw their claims in this game could be deadly for them, especially someone like Aemon who is dead set that he's the true Dragon even though he's not Rand. this is even if the True Dragon can claim, as it's technically a character reveal.

 

 

also, BG's use of the Aiel title for the Dragon is interesting.

[Quibby]

Taim approached Rand in the beginning of book 6, but by that time, he had already been captured once and escaped. Not very important, though.

[Alanna]

Yeah, it was Bashere who approached Rand at the end of FOH while he was on the Lion Throne.

[Adella]

Vam saying I think Aemon is town doesn't mean I think he is the real DR it means I think he is Logain. Duh. Seriously, so many of us have said that.

 

Vote Vambram

You don't appear to be trying very hard to read the game, which is just hurtful no matter your alignment. Also, I firmly believe Aemon is town and this Logain, and that leaves the option of you being Taim. That, mixed with the fact that you are mincing peoples words are the reasons why my vote is firmly on you.

[alannalynn]

Once the true Dragon Reborn revealed himself the pattern no longer had room for the false dragons and they were removed from the equation. To me it would make sense that anyone can reveal as the DR until the true DR reveals and then the false DRs should be disabled somehow?

 

 

This is one of the more logical things I've heard, as well as whoever said (methinks it was Adella) that false dragons can reveal up to day 4, which is when the real dragon will be allowed to reveal. Personally, I think the dragon talk is a huge distraction. Who CARES if you're the friggin' dragon? ... *sigh*

 

Also, I'm really sick right now, bear with me as I go die.

[bgrishinko]

Bgrishinko noticed that Vambram declared for the Dragon Reborn immediately after suspicions of Drew, Alanna, and Blackhoof began to pile up. He thought maybe Vambram was using his claim to distract from the current lines of suspicion. This did not bode well for Vambram in Bgrishinko's mind. But he kept his suspicions on blackhoof.

[Myndrunner]

Bgrishinko noticed that Vambram declared for the Dragon Reborn immediately after suspicions of Drew, Alanna, and Blackhoof began to pile up. He thought maybe Vambram was using his claim to distract from the current lines of suspicion. This did not bode well for Vambram in Bgrishinko's mind. But he kept his suspicions on blackhoof.

 

^This

 

Vote Blackhoof

[trench]

Bgrishinko noticed that Vambram declared for the Dragon Reborn immediately after suspicions of Drew, Alanna, and Blackhoof began to pile up. He thought maybe Vambram was using his claim to distract from the current lines of suspicion. This did not bode well for Vambram in Bgrishinko's mind. But he kept his suspicions on blackhoof.

 

^This

 

Vote Blackhoof

 

I have to agree with BG and Mynd here. i have already laid out my reasons why. so im gonna Vote Blackhoof

 

I dont have much time, but I did feel Vambram's reveal seemed very well timed to distract us from the issues I and others had been focusing on.

[Moon Sedai]

Vote Vambram because I agree with Adella.

[DrewRiley]

I would be willing to lynch Blackhoof, who's been scummy since Day 1 (seriously, go back and read some of those first pages, it's glaring, to me at least). But I feel like Aemon and Vambram are false dragons, and lynching one of them would be more productive. I'll see where the voting goes, but right now I'm going to Vote Vambram.

[Naeann]

One of the two is obviously a false dragon. I agree with that line of logic...

 

Vambram.

 

I'm willing to switch to Blackhoof though if needed as he was acting weird... expecially to start. Sort of kind of maybe how a first time as mafia person might act? I'm not sure how much he has played before so I don't know if that's just my weird observation or not.

[killuliu]

Bgrishinko noticed that Vambram declared for the Dragon Reborn immediately after suspicions of Drew, Alanna, and Blackhoof began to pile up. He thought maybe Vambram was using his claim to distract from the current lines of suspicion. This did not bode well for Vambram in Bgrishinko's mind. But he kept his suspicions on blackhoof.

 

I for some reason find Vamb more suspicious. yes I admit that Black is one of the fishiest people here, but still something in Vamb's claim (as bg pointed out) seems a bit odd. Has black done recently done anything odd, or is it just that he has been a tad bit odd for the whole game? (I admit that I drunk read last five or so pages, so I'm not quite sure what they include :D)

[Verbal32]

Killing me and flipping scum is hardly a good return compared to the possible multi-scum we could get by lynching of those three.

 

Haven't we discussed, ad nauseum, the merits (or lack thereof) of stating that 1 person's coroner report will damn or exonerate another's? Very suspicious post to be trying to re-hash this.

 

But I'm going to go with the other option for today. I think Aemon is town, and I think Red is as well. That leaves Vambram as a likely contender for Taim.

 

Vote: Vambram

[bgrishinko]

Although Bgrishinko felt that Vambram seemed suspicious in his claim, a claim to the Dragon Reborn was not something he could lynch immediately and felt it odd how many votes came in for Vambram so quickly. He had made that mistake once before on Day 1. He felt lynching those that Vambram might be protecting may help to clear Vambram's innocent claim to Dragon or help prove his falsehood as Taim.

[Myndrunner]

I strongly doubt that Vambram would have made this claim unless it was some kind of advantage for him, or in this case, his team. What bothers me (and BG as well) is the timeliness of this claim. Why now? Why not earlier? It seems like Vambram is trying to take heat off of those others, of which Blackhoof has been the most radical.

 

Think of it as if you were on a mafia team with Blackhoof. Wouldn't you try to do something to bring heat off of your fellow teammate?

[keyholder21]

I would be content voting for either Black or Vambram. Black seems to be skating by with his many vehement posts because we (myself certainly included) keep getting distracted by others.

 

Others like Vambram, for instance. After all the talk over Aemon probably being Logain, or a finder, you're now starting up the fight to lynch him again?

 

I need to go back through and count votes to see which one is a better candidate at this point.

[Quibby]

I strongly doubt that Vambram would have made this claim unless it was some kind of advantage for him, or in this case, his team. What bothers me (and BG as well) is the timeliness of this claim. Why now? Why not earlier? It seems like Vambram is trying to take heat off of those others, of which Blackhoof has been the most radical.

 

Think of it as if you were on a mafia team with Blackhoof. Wouldn't you try to do something to bring heat off of your fellow teammate?

 

Mynd, stop saying things that I have to agree with.

 

Vambram revealed when there was a growing number of votes for Blackhoof. I can't help but have the gut feeling that this reveal is a ploy to split up votes between two different candidates. Since the potential defensive move came when the votes began to appear on Blackhoof, that's where my vote's staying.

[keyholder21]

Sorry ya'll, got caught up at work for a bit.

 

 

Yes, Quibby, it can definitely appear that way. Especially since there are currently 5 votes on both Black and Vambram, if I counted correctly.

 

 

While, like I said, I'm content with either being lynched today, for now I'm going to vote for Blackhoof.

[DrewRiley]

Like I said, I feel better about lynching either of these than I did about lynching Player (Perrin), so I'm more than willing to switch if it comes down to it. What I don't like is all the silence - we haven't heard from a LOT of people today, and I feel like there may be some who haven't voted at all the whole game (though I'm not positive). We're letting certain people do their work, and I think they need to be made to voice an opinion! Silence is scummy.