Ask A Simple Question, Get a Simple Answer (No AMoL Spoilers)

[yoniy0]

I'm pretty sure Fain was staring at the dagger, not the DF's. It might be something he can only do from a certain distance, though.

[MatthewSaint]

What happens if the Horn of Valere is blown inside TAR?

[Nightstrike]

What happens if the Horn of Valere is blown inside TAR?

All the live heroes drown in tar ... No, I actually don't know.

[Byzantine279]

It likely is not possible for the Horn to work there, and it might not be possible to bring it into TAR.

[Knivy]

I would assume that since you can travel into TAR (or something like it... Whatever Rand does in the Stone to chase the baddie there) you could take it there. I dont think it likely that it will have any different affect, it will summon the heroes to your aid. But I have no proof.

[RandA lThor]

I think that that might be how the horn works, it might call the heroes to that spot in TAR and they come down from there like Egwene did when traveling to Salidar.

[TristanWebb]

Is there any possibility that the notes RJ left will ever be published? We all know there are going to be many loose ends that are left after aMoL and I would love to read them. Even if it was in like a limited run collectors edition of all 13 books and the notes costing $500.

[Barid Bel Medar]

Is there any possibility that the notes RJ left will ever be published? We all know there are going to be many loose ends that are left after aMoL and I would love to read them. Even if it was in like a limited run collectors edition of all 13 books and the notes costing $500.

 

We are supposed to be getting an "encyclopaedia" of the Wheel of Time. Like a detailed version of the BWB, I am guessing, which will include many of RJ's notes, although a lot will most probably still be left out. But it is the closest thing to what you are thinking of.

[fikkie77]

Is there any possibility that the notes RJ left will ever be published? We all know there are going to be many loose ends that are left after aMoL and I would love to read them. Even if it was in like a limited run collectors edition of all 13 books and the notes costing $500.

no. Notes are just too messy to give a good view on their own. Just what Barid Bel Medar says: the notes combined into an encyclopaedia is a better idea and is probably going to happen.

[Barid Bel Medar]

Also, worth noting, that in the notes there a specific things RJ said not to be revealed.

[TristanWebb]

Makes me sad. I wonder how long it will take for the notes to pass to someone (morally)bankrupt enough to sell them. Other author's heirs do it after all.

[fikkie77]

Have you tried to read the The Book of Unfinished Tales of JRR Tolkien? Terrible! It might be interesting, but after reading a few versions of the same story you just lose track!

Enough people here had trouble understanding the flashback of Rand and Mat's trip in EOTW, most of us would lose track when several versions of stories came along. And that's what would be published, because notes also contain loose ends and discarded plots.

Edited May 4, 2012 by fikkie77

[Majsju]

Makes me sad. I wonder how long it will take for the notes to pass to someone (morally)bankrupt enough to sell them. Other author's heirs do it after all.

 

Harriet owns the nots, and she seems extremely determined to not allow anything that in her view would go against RJs wishes. I would not be surprised if she went so far as to destroy all notes once she has finished the encyclopedia (but more likely she will lock them away somewhere onle she has acess to).

Keep in mind that Harriet is perhaps the strongest opponent to have the outriggers and the remaining prequels being written, books RJ had actually planned to write. So i am not very worried she would allow someone doing a Herbert with the notes.

[Barid Bel Medar]

Indeed, I think it is safe to say that Harriet is the least likely to do anything like that. She has been very faithful to RJ's wishes. And she has control of the notes, unless anything shady happens without her knowledge, or, forgive me for even contemplating it, after she has passed away (which should not be for at least a few decades).

 

I think it is safe to say the notes will remain undisclosed, the parts that RJ wished to remain so anyway.

[mb]

I recall somewhere telling that the notes for books 12 through 14 would be shown sometime after the release of the 14th. Do not remember where nor who.

 

About the Horn and Telaranrhiod, whether it can or can't be sounded there might be indicated by whether there has a copy of it. If Telaranrhiod has a copy, there might be a chance that it could be sounded there since all of Telaranrhiod's copies seem to work the same way they do in the waking world. If Telaranrhiod does not, chances would be that it can not be sounded there.

Another indicator would be whether it can be sounded elsewhere than the main world.

 

 

unanswered::

The hole in the eavesdropping ward, did Egwene recently discover that technique?

Or did she get it from someone that stayed in the Tower? if so, which one?

Or was it from Moghedien? if so, how come Egwene seems to just started it?

 

Who else knows the technique?

[RandA lThor]

I think that Egwene just thought it was a nice idea and decided to do it. It sounds like a weave that everyone knows how to do, but doesn't use it.

[TristanWebb]

Moggy did her almost-teaching of Nyn and Elayne how to spin a hole in a ward, Egwene probably just got her to actually teach it.

[MaxMan Bernards]

How is Mat going to fulfill his role as the Prince of Ravens? After Tuon accepted their marriage she announced that he was the new Prince of Ravens but then just left without any explanation after that

[Barid Bel Medar]

How is Mat going to fulfill his role as the Prince of Ravens? After Tuon accepted their marriage she announced that he was the new Prince of Ravens but then just left without any explanation after that

 

We do see a bit of this in KoD tGS with Musenge (sp?) and the other Seanchan he was with.

 

The real world comparison of Prince of Ravens is like a consort, or (in a patriarchal dominant society) the role of a Queen. You don't have as much power as the King (Empress) but only those of the very High Blood would not jump when he orders, and even then they would be very careful in doing so. The downside being you derive all of your power from the Empress, so he can do nothing against her.

 

He is also the supreme commander of the EVA (not sure of the exact title) Which, as you would assume, would mean commanding the EVA in the name of the Empress (because Mat is nothing without the Empress)

 

I would say his standing would mean he will have great influence over the Seanchan and mitigate the damage of the White Tower "invasion" and help broker peace with Seanchan and Rand (well, basically EVERYONE). After that I can see him use his position as PoR to gain control of a large portion of the Light's armies, the Band, Dragonsworn (not Masema's bunch, but the ones that Rand trained and took Illian with, forget if they are called something specific) and the EVA, which puts him in command of the most dangerous and well trained army bar perhaps the Aiel.

 

Pretty good things from the PoR title, although none have specifically been "fulfilled"

Edited May 5, 2012 by Barid Bel Medar

[Maleshub]

How is Mat going to fulfill his role as the Prince of Ravens? After Tuon accepted their marriage she announced that he was the new Prince of Ravens but then just left without any explanation after that

 

There is foreshadowing that Mat might be bonded to Tuon/Fortuana. That should be on the radar screen as well. If that happens, it will be a coup in the Seanchan Empire.

[Twiggy]

I'm reading through this thread still (taken me several days on/off so far) but haven't seen yet what I'd like to know.

 

Has there been anything on Fains reaction or has he shown any effects due to Shadar Logoths destruction during the cleansing? Being such a big part of him/Mordeth I kind if expected there'd be something at least

[Barid Bel Medar]

I'm reading through this thread still (taken me several days on/off so far) but haven't seen yet what I'd like to know.

 

Has there been anything on Fains reaction or has he shown any effects due to Shadar Logoths destruction during the cleansing? Being such a big part of him/Mordeth I kind if expected there'd be something at least

 

Well, we have this.

 

INTERVIEW: Jan 25th, 2005

TOR Questions of the Week Part II (Verbatim)

 

WEEK 10 QUESTION

Now that Shadar Logoth is gone, (cool way to get rid of it by the way), has the evil power in Padan Fain/Mordeth/the Ruby Dagger decreased any? Has it driven him even more insane? Or since the next book is called Knife of Dreams, will all these questions be answered in it?

 

ROBERT JORDAN

 

The evil power in Padan Fain has neither decreased nor increased, nor has that in the dagger. The corruption in him was partly caused by the taint on Shadar Logoth, but it didn't constitute a real connection to the city. Remember that it was because he was Padan Fain, the Hound of the Shadow, that he was able to leave Shadar Logoth in his new condition after he merged with/absorbed Mordeth. (By the way, any other artifacts that might be lying around from Shadar Logoth would have the same long-term corrupting effect as the dagger. Fortunately, or unfortunately, any such thing would need to be metal or stone. The wood and fabric had decayed. It wouldn't have been pleasant to get a splinter from, say, a chair from Shadar Logoth.)

 

The destruction of Shadar Logoth has not driven Fain any more insane. I'm not certain he'd be able to function at all if he were any madder than he already is. But being insane doesn't make him any less dangerous, only less predictable. He no longer responds to situations or events in any sort of sane, logical manner. His abiding concerns are hatred of Rand al'Thor (and to a lesser degree Mat and Perrin) because he blames them for what the Dark One did to him in order to turn him into the Shadow's Hound, and hatred for the Dark One because of what the Dark One did to him. He goes after Rand because Rand is the easiest target in his mind, but if he can take a swipe at the Dark One or the Dark One's minions in some way that he felt would cause real harm, he'd leap at it.

 

So he hasn't changed in any way. As to his reaction, I don't know. I don't think he would have cared much about SL itself. He is too insane to predict anything he is thinking though.

[Random Man]

I'm reading through this thread still (taken me several days on/off so far) but haven't seen yet what I'd like to know.

 

Has there been anything on Fains reaction or has he shown any effects due to Shadar Logoths destruction during the cleansing? Being such a big part of him/Mordeth I kind if expected there'd be something at least

 

Well, we have this.

 

INTERVIEW: Jan 25th, 2005

TOR Questions of the Week Part II (Verbatim)

 

WEEK 10 QUESTION

Now that Shadar Logoth is gone, (cool way to get rid of it by the way), has the evil power in Padan Fain/Mordeth/the Ruby Dagger decreased any? Has it driven him even more insane? Or since the next book is called Knife of Dreams, will all these questions be answered in it?

 

ROBERT JORDAN

 

The evil power in Padan Fain has neither decreased nor increased, nor has that in the dagger. The corruption in him was partly caused by the taint on Shadar Logoth, but it didn't constitute a real connection to the city. Remember that it was because he was Padan Fain, the Hound of the Shadow, that he was able to leave Shadar Logoth in his new condition after he merged with/absorbed Mordeth. (By the way, any other artifacts that might be lying around from Shadar Logoth would have the same long-term corrupting effect as the dagger. Fortunately, or unfortunately, any such thing would need to be metal or stone. The wood and fabric had decayed. It wouldn't have been pleasant to get a splinter from, say, a chair from Shadar Logoth.)

 

The destruction of Shadar Logoth has not driven Fain any more insane. I'm not certain he'd be able to function at all if he were any madder than he already is. But being insane doesn't make him any less dangerous, only less predictable. He no longer responds to situations or events in any sort of sane, logical manner. His abiding concerns are hatred of Rand al'Thor (and to a lesser degree Mat and Perrin) because he blames them for what the Dark One did to him in order to turn him into the Shadow's Hound, and hatred for the Dark One because of what the Dark One did to him. He goes after Rand because Rand is the easiest target in his mind, but if he can take a swipe at the Dark One or the Dark One's minions in some way that he felt would cause real harm, he'd leap at it.

 

So he hasn't changed in any way. As to his reaction, I don't know. I don't think he would have cared much about SL itself. He is too insane to predict anything he is thinking though.

 

Although it doesn't have anything to do with the cleansing and destruction of Shadar Logoth, I feel obliged to point out that Fain's abilities appear to be increasing overall as the series progresses. Whether this is caused by the corruption he carries within him growing and increasing in potency, or an improving understanding of his own abilities, or if it's simply just that his abilities are being displayed to the reader in a way that makes it looks like he's getting stronger, I couldn't say.

 

Edit: As for why the destruction of SL has no effect on Fain, the corruption within Fain has separated from the evil it grew from much like a seed falling from a tree.

Edited May 6, 2012 by Random Man

[Sharaman]

Edit: I meant the notes. You might have some specialised lit. historian buying them or a college museum perhaps and then releasing an annotated facsimile edition. It's happened with a lot of mainstream writers.

Edited May 6, 2012 by Sharaman

[kght22]

Edit: I meant the notes. You might have some specialised lit. historian buying them or a college museum perhaps and then releasing an annotated facsimile edition. It's happened with a lot of mainstream writers.

if hariet were ever to release them, i think it would only be if she thought they could be used to help teach authors. to a school, or something like that. but i don't believe that she will, although i think we will get allot when the encyclopedia comes out, maybe an overdose =P. i would love to see the notes just because i love the book series, but i think there are allot of aspiring authors who would love to see them just to get a glimpse at rj/jr's extremely well recieved method. to get another perspective on what made his books so successful.

 

EDIT: personally i think that they, like every book that is published, should go to the library of congress in 10 or 20 years, maybe even 30 or 40 years from now. but i doubt that will happen, people can dream.

Edited May 6, 2012 by Testy al'Carr