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Barid Bel Medar

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  1. Also, Rand's second kill after Turak was in TDR where he kills the darkfriends he meets on the road when he is travelling alone to Tear. One was a woman. Rand: Loathe to kill in general at the start, which continues. He tries to avoid killing whenever possible, and won't kill a female. However, due to madness and his position, accepts the burden of killing, although even for Darkfriend females he feels guilty. His character evolves of course and goes through several stages, but in his ultimate state, complete as it were, his core 'Rand' believes in killing only if necessary. Mat: Of the 3 boys, he has the least hangups about killing. He doesn't enjoy it, but when in a battle or conflict, he knows it's him or them, and doesn't hesitate to kill, nor feels much remorse. (On occasion he does, but in general.) He, like the rest of the TR men, does not like killing women, but is less hung up about it than Perrin or Rand. He may feel guilty or sad, but he does it. Perrin: He is most affected by killing of the 3 boys. He is loathe to kill anyone, particularly females. Even when necessary, he feels guilt. He struggles with killing humans the most of the men. Egwene kills a bunch of people, first at Falme, she executes hundreds of Black Ajah (although whether she took any personal involvement in it is debatable. She kills dozens, possibly hundreds of Senchan in the WT raid. Several Black Ajah in ToM and the Ayyad pretty much completely in AMOL. Egwene seems to be willing to kill in anger or for justice, and has little remorse for those she does kill. However, she won't kill those she believes she doesn't have to, and prefers not to kill if possible (unless they are Seanchan or Darkfriends.) Nynaeve: IIRC, out of the TR gang, she kills the least amount of humans, and is the most reluctant to kill. The only time I remember her killing a human is in TOM in the battle with Mesaana. She is the equivalent of a modern doctor under the Hippocratic Oath. Elayne: Being raised as Royalty, the idea of killing does not particularly bother her. She knows execution and death in war is a part of life. On a personal level, she prefers diplomacy to killing, but is pragmatic about killing. Whenever she does kill, she doesn't really feel bad about it, because she only kills in necessary situations. Off the top of my head, the moment that stands out for me is her killing the Black Ajah captives in Caemlyn after they escape.
  2. Well, it would end in failure, as Callandor was needed for the True Power access and to trap Moridin to allow Rand to seal the DO away again without tainting the Source. The Chodean Kal was built to suppress the DO and gain them more time, not fight the DO. Looking at the nature of the Dark One, even with the power of the Chodean Kal, Rand couldn't win. It wasn't brute force that defeated the Dark One. Also, it is implied that Rand was using as much - if not more - power with Callandor as he did with the Chodean Kal. The lack of Callandor's buffer allowed him to draw on immense power. (I am referring to Logain commenting that he had never felt anything so powerful, not even at the Cleansing.) So really, all signs point to the Chodean Kal being irrelevant in Rand's battle. Besides, the Female Chodean Kal was destroyed at the Cleansing. (But I'll assume here that it survived somehow.) Now, if Logain/Asha'man or Egwene/Aes Sedai had access to the Chodean Kal at the physical Last Battle against Demandred, that might have helped a lot. The sheer amount of power clashing might have also destroyed half the world. I'm of the opinion Rand did the right thing destroying the Chodean Kal.
  3. It's a very good question. Ultimately though, we don't know enough about the process and what the Turning does to a person (beyond making them 'evil'). We also don't know how it makes them evil. Some have suggested that 13 Nym and 13 channelers could do the reverse. Personally, I don't think so, I think only the Shadow would come up with a method of forcing someone's will. There is also the fact the True Power is involved (in the creation of Myrddraal). It could be possible if the Turning process is like the Taint - using the Conduit to the OP in a person to 'infect' them. If the channel is severed, then it might be possible, like it is with the Oaths etc.. that the effects are nullified. If it is something more primal, an Androl's thoughts on it hit the mark in that the Shadow 'consumes' the person, it might be impossible. LIke Machin Shin consuming the souls of its victims. Lanfear's comments to Perrin suggest that this is not the case, and they aren't 'replaced' with shadow, but controlled against their will. Personally, I equate it to the same thing as the Taint more or less. The effects would still be there after it is gone. In the same vein, I think Perrin's attempt to un-turn the red-veil was a hint that it can indeed be cured. He felt the DO's presences like a force in the man's mind but was not powerful enough to dispel it. I'd think that with the correct method, it can be healed, like Nynaeve healed madness, by removing the DO's touch from the mind's of the Asha'man. I suspect with the DO sealed away properly, if Perrin tried again, he would find less resistance than he did with the Aiel.
  4. Well, I can't really argue about the Brandon/OP thing, but I don't disagree overall. As I said, I think there are areas where Egwene would have been superior. She certainly was better in T'a'R until basically aMoL Perrin. Also, I don't think we can ever really 'know' who would be better than who. It depends on what happens. Perrin may never use T'a'R again after this and - had Egwene lived - she most certainly would have, and learned as much as possible. I say that the Wolf side of being in T'a'R is more powerful than the human side because of the struggle Perrin went through. Wolves are far more accepting and treat it as natural more than humans do. In the end, Perrin was using T'a'R like a wolf, and my impression of how it worked was that instinctual nature was better suited to manipulating the effects of T'a'R. What you say about the Power is true, but the Power isn't something of T'a'R, nor a skill of T'a'R. It is an advantage, a big one, but I took the question to be skill in T'a'R itself, and the OP is foreign. In terms of using T'a'R, the OP is actually a weakness in terms of developing T'a'R skill, as you are relying on something of the real world, not the 'mechanics' of T'a'R.
  5. At the end of the series - assuming Egwene lived - Perrin was stronger. Tel'aran'Rhiod is more a home of wolves than humans. Wolves go there when they die, humans don't - excepting the HotH. It is more natural for wolves, and thus wolfbrothers and sisters. Perrin could accomplish more than Egwene ever could, not necessarily because he is smarter - Egwene was a quick learner and more had ingenuity - but for the simple fact that - because of his wolf nature, his can achieve much greater symbiosis and have a greater understanding of T'a'R. The fact that he has some kind of 'dual soul', part wolf part human, that allows him to jump from T'a'R to the real world in an instant is evidence that his wolf-powers give him greater ability in the Dream. For all we know it may be the first of many advantages. (Before anyone says the obvious: normal humans cannot learn this. It is an effect of having two souls, or two parts of a soul. Slayer because he was literally two souls, Perrin because he had half wolf half human.) That said, while Perrin would be more of a master of T'a'R overall, there would be areas where Egwene may indeed do better. I wouldn't say Perrin would be greater than her in EVERY aspect, just overall.
  6. It's merely a matter of semantics. Mat and Perrin correctly identified the mist as being the same mist of Mashadar. However, Mashadar was only a part of Shaisam. From the Shaisam PoV: From Shaisam itself, Mashadar was merely a part of it. Mashadar was mindless, as Shaisam states. As it also states, Shaisam is something new - something different from Mashadar and Shadar Logoth, but ancient (likely from ages past in the turning.) As to the fate of Lan, it is somewhat different to Egwene or Hurin etc.. Rand had not accepted his true role when they had died, nor did he understand enough to touch the world as he did afterwards. We have evidence that Rand could indeed touch the world in the same way as the Dark One when the Dark One speaks in Mat's mind, Rand also speaks, and it is heard throughout the battlefield. The biggest clue that Rand aided in keeping Lan alive is this passage: I don't think Rand actually brought him back from the dead per-se, but definitely gave him strength to survive until Narishma got to him.
  7. Alright, everyone has shared their opinion on the RJ/Brandon debate, there are differing views, fine. Let's stay on topic now though, I don't want this to descend into another RJ v Sanderson fight.
  8. I admit I started in 2007 or something, read through to KoD and I found dragonmount searching for an answer for Taimandred. Fortunately I looked it up before actually asking, saving myself the embarrassment of noob question. At the time, I wasn't a hardcore fan. I'd say that along with OlverCain (although that one always did seem obviously not true to me) is what a lot of casual readers came online to find out.
  9. Yeah, that's what happened. With the Companion, they are releasing stuff written in RJ's notes. Some of that differs from what eventually got put in the books. Basically, that was RJ's notes on Bela - but Harriet - being the WoT editor - made the decision to kill her off (a good editing decision, IMO.). So some things may contradict what is in the books. Not much though.
  10. :) It does indeed. I followed the Reddit conversation but was late in joining so I'll say it here. I think it fits Demandred's MO perfectly being Taim. Yes, he hated Lews Therin, but his hate was always cold and abiding, not like Sammael's hot-headed rage. He didn't just want to kill Lews Therin, he wanted to beat him. To show he was the better man. Simply beating Rand to death wasn't enough for Demandred. He wanted to prove he was better and make sure people knew it. What better way to do it than take everything that is Rand's from underneath him? This brings up an interesting question to which people found an 'Odd' reaction from Taim in LoC: From encyclopaedia WOT, LoC Chapter 42 Rand mutters back, "You're dead." Taim now looks concerned and tells Rand he must hold on to sanity. and the subsequent footnote: Taim expresses a very odd series of emotions in this chapter. Taim seemed genuinely concerned and somewhat civil in this chapter. It was one of the things that made me think he wasn't originally and out and out Darkfriend. Knowing that it was Demandred there makes it more interesting. I wonder if Brandon was onto something when he spoke of wanting to make the Bao plotline more tragic. Of course, that is my bias, as I never thought Demandred was as evil as the other Forsaken, merely a really messed up man in tragic circumstances.
  11. Thanks for this info Terez, it means a lot to the community, much respect for your perseverance and dedication
  12. Hey! welcome to the forums! A nice topic you have there :P Personally, I don't actually 'hate' any character but I'll go through a list of usual suspects. Nynaeve is interesting. People's opinion of her changes as the series progresses. Funnily it is in book 7 when opinion's start to change, and by the end of the series, she becomes on of the most beloved characters. (In general from experience) Egwene is probably one of the most disliked characters and certainly caused a lot of controversy among fans. You either love her or hate her it seems. The feeling changes again towards the end of the series. Faile is another one of the most hated characters. Personally I think it's Perrin's PoV that makes it seem like she is so irritating, but she herself is actually cool, but there is a lot of hate for her. Gawyn: Pretty much disliked universally, perhaps not 'hated' because he's not really a main character. If I had to pick my most disliked it would be him. I don't mind people being stupid or petty for good story reasons, but Gawyn is completely irrational and ridiculous. Cadsuane: gets a lot of hate, not much like for the woman who stands up to the Dragon Reborn. I don't mind her personally. Probably others, but they are the main ones.
  13. she had bright red hair, that might be what you are thinking of.
  14. Alright, let's not make this about Brandon/RJ. Please get back onto the topic of thoughts on the plot, not who would have done what.
  15. hah! I'm straight and i have the problem of people bugging me about that, I agree with your assessment, In your own time when you are mentally prepared.
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