Pet peeves when playing mafia?

[Kivam]

It WAS a tad transparent, wasn't it? *giggle* Still, I meant every word about Pete. The ones about Kivam, not so much.  ;)

 

Kiv, it's a long game, but here's the link.

http://forums.dragonmount.com/index.php/topic,53303.0.html

 

This is the summary I wrote in another game, explaining why I thought the use of the key phrase was a bad idea. The one thing I didn't mention below is that we recruited Pete mid-game.

 

In Rey's game, Ed was the Lie Detector. Pete figured that out and came up with the phrase "I am not anti-town" and had each of us say it. I was Godfather, not so eager to comply. Long story short, I sacrificed myself to take attention off my team, and to smoke out the finder, by counter claiming lie detector. We lost me, were able to kill the lie detector AND the finder, and go on to win the game. THAT, my friend, is the Twofer gambit we are all so proud of! Granted, Ed was recruited by the cult, and ultimately killed by the vig, but we still count the gambit a success. Anybody who felt like you do and didn't want to say it, we did our best to get them lynched. There are other reasons besides being scum to not want to say something like that, and we took advantage of every single one of them. And this is why I am so against that phrase being allowed to be used by a lie detector. Not because of what it cost me, but because of the lengths we were able to take advantage of it, and keep the attention on it, and off of our scum team.

 

 

The best part of the game was watching the LD and the finder go at each other, trying to get each other lynched, firmly believing the other was scum, because they were innocent. One of our team had the framer ability, and we had framed Ed, so the finder really believed he was trying to lynch scum. We laughed our butts off at that one. Unfortunately, you won't see much on thread, because most of the fun was behind the scenes. I admit, I never would have gotten so creative if we hadn't been pushed into a corner by the stupid phrase. It's all their fault. Really.  ;D

 

 

 

Nice.  Necessity is the mother of invention: Talya and I only ran the Gambit because we were playing in a game with a public thread - and Sirayn was stalking the public thread.  Basically, that meant that the best analyst known to mafia was a confirmed innocent Day 1 - and we couldn't kill her to shut her up.  So we decided that if we couldn't kill her, we'd have to fool her, and hence the gambit

[Naeann]

Lily.. Its cause people wont listen to me!!! HAHAHA.  (I wonder why):P  I told you all several times in that game that Pete was evil.  He goes after me when he's innocent and I wasn't exactly innocent myself.  Two times in games Pete hasn't really gone after me at all.  That game and the Disney game.  Go figure both times he is evil and once I was a teammate.

 

 

For those who don't know/never heard of her.. Sirayn is who Kivam was refering to as "THE" mafia god... but I remember Dae found her out once so no one is immune. :P

[LilyElizabeth]

Nae, you do have a point there..... lol.

 

[Lavinya]

Sirayn played me like a fiddle once. Evil genius.

[LilyElizabeth]

Oh bother. I wasted money on the assassins and the rather expensive poisons too.

 

Ummm... sorry if you had some of your close friends fall dead suddenly, Kivam. It's really not my fault.

 

*hides behind Lily*

 

Oh, and Boopsy, darling, THIS is one of the many reasons Pete and I both love you so much! *snuggles and some random naughty things*

 

[Wayward_fool]

Awww sis... *gurgles happily*

[Red2111]

honestly, the one thing that has been bugging my lately on Mafia games is players who argue about and demean other players playing styles.

 

the "That's not how the game is played because i don't play it like that" attitude.  people have different playing styles and the game is constantly morphing.  imo thats what makes it so fun.

 

 

also, on a few of the scum teams i've been on, there have been instances where vinilla mafia team mates or even roled mafia team mates have been seen as expendable and are thrown under the bus to try and secure a mafia team mate as innocent in the towns veiws.

 

 

to me, and i stressed this each time, even a vanilla player isn't expendable on a mafia team because in order for the mafia to win we need the voting majority.  i understand that in times a gambit like that is necessary, but i don't think it should be done unless it's unaviodable.

 

in the '2fer1' gambit that Lily is talking about, i was part of that team as well.  and i hated seeing lily sacrifice herself, especailly so early on in the game.

 

 

 

by no means i'm i a great player, or a great mod (maybe a great story teller but meh) and there are playing styles on here i dont agree with.  but i hate seeing the attacks on people and tellign them "you're not playing the game right" because of their playing style.

[Alys Kinch]

Keep in mind, Red, some of it is for posturing's sake for whatever reason. *points at DPR* Even when he is chaotic, there is purpose behind pretty much everything he posts. We may never find out what it was, but it is there- hindsight tells much with him.

 

I know it all isn't, but there it is.

[WWWwombat]

It WAS a tad transparent, wasn't it? *giggle* Still, I meant every word about Pete. The ones about Kivam, not so much.  ;)

 

Kiv, it's a long game, but here's the link.

http://forums.dragonmount.com/index.php/topic,53303.0.html

 

This is the summary I wrote in another game, explaining why I thought the use of the key phrase was a bad idea. The one thing I didn't mention below is that we recruited Pete mid-game.

 

In Rey's game, Ed was the Lie Detector. Pete figured that out and came up with the phrase "I am not anti-town" and had each of us say it. I was Godfather, not so eager to comply. Long story short, I sacrificed myself to take attention off my team, and to smoke out the finder, by counter claiming lie detector. We lost me, were able to kill the lie detector AND the finder, and go on to win the game. THAT, my friend, is the Twofer gambit we are all so proud of! Granted, Ed was recruited by the cult, and ultimately killed by the vig, but we still count the gambit a success. Anybody who felt like you do and didn't want to say it, we did our best to get them lynched. There are other reasons besides being scum to not want to say something like that, and we took advantage of every single one of them. And this is why I am so against that phrase being allowed to be used by a lie detector. Not because of what it cost me, but because of the lengths we were able to take advantage of it, and keep the attention on it, and off of our scum team.

 

 

The best part of the game was watching the LD and the finder go at each other, trying to get each other lynched, firmly believing the other was scum, because they were innocent. One of our team had the framer ability, and we had framed Ed, so the finder really believed he was trying to lynch scum. We laughed our butts off at that one. Unfortunately, you won't see much on thread, because most of the fun was behind the scenes. I admit, I never would have gotten so creative if we hadn't been pushed into a corner by the stupid phrase. It's all their fault. Really.  ;D

 

 

 

I'm glad I was a part of that even if I was the one who ended up with egg on his face.  I will get you back :-* >:D

[DPR]

honestly, the one thing that has been bugging my lately on Mafia games is players who argue about and demean other players playing styles.

 

the "That's not how the game is played because i don't play it like that" attitude.  people have different playing styles and the game is constantly morphing.  imo thats what makes it so fun.

 

 

also, on a few of the scum teams i've been on, there have been instances where vinilla mafia team mates or even roled mafia team mates have been seen as expendable and are thrown under the bus to try and secure a mafia team mate as innocent in the towns veiws.

 

 

to me, and i stressed this each time, even a vanilla player isn't expendable on a mafia team because in order for the mafia to win we need the voting majority.  i understand that in times a gambit like that is necessary, but i don't think it should be done unless it's unaviodable.

 

in the '2fer1' gambit that Lily is talking about, i was part of that team as well.  and i hated seeing lily sacrifice herself, especailly so early on in the game.

 

 

 

by no means i'm i a great player, or a great mod (maybe a great story teller but meh) and there are playing styles on here i dont agree with.  but i hate seeing the attacks on people and tellign them "you're not playing the game right" because of their playing style.

 

Right off the bat, I'll tell you that it's all posturing. The best way to win games is to stay cool, seperate fact from speculation, and work exclusively from evidence. Anything else is either a mistake or somebody trying to mislead you. heh

 

The point of the games (to me) is to try new techniques, and the more rules there are, the less latitude there is to do that. I rarely support calls for more rules, but I always operate under the premise that we are all friends and trying to win for our side. If that means that you have to exploit a player's known weakness, or sacrifice a player for a team win, then I don't see a problem as long as everybody is cool with it.

 

Having said that, it is A GAME. There really is no room for personal attacks or taking things personally. When this happens, it starts to get confusing about who is posturing and who is techniqueing. There is a fine line, and for the most part people on DM are really excellent about maintaining it. But it's tough sometimes! Especially when death is on the line. heh

[Talya]

I have to say that I miss Sira. Lily, if you don't like walls of text, you wouldn't want to play with her and to say she is a great analyst is such an understatement. she sees things in the way people write that you wouldn't believe, she is a amazing. Doesn't mean there will be times when she doesn't win. She would be top of my list of players. There are a few around who are just below her and I enjoy playing with them even if I can't fathom them out. They are Kivam, DPR, Nae, Alys, Verb just to name a few. And they are always good for an argument, nothing like that to get you juices going.

 

One of my pet peeves, is if the Mod isn't around much, I believe an active Mod can help to make it an active game.

 

There are other little things, that I will usually mention in a game if I feel something isn't right. But really I just enjoy playing it when there are others to play with (so not too keen on those that don't show much).

 

I don't take this game personnaly, and the arguments aren't meant to be taken that way, and I don't take them that way. This can be the fun of mafia, a bit like a discussion thread, but you can lie through your teeth ;D

[Kivam]

honestly, the one thing that has been bugging my lately on Mafia games is players who argue about and demean other players playing styles.

 

the "That's not how the game is played because i don't play it like that" attitude.  people have different playing styles and the game is constantly morphing.  imo thats what makes it so fun.

 

 

also, on a few of the scum teams i've been on, there have been instances where vinilla mafia team mates or even roled mafia team mates have been seen as expendable and are thrown under the bus to try and secure a mafia team mate as innocent in the towns veiws.

 

to me, and i stressed this each time, even a vanilla player isn't expendable on a mafia team because in order for the mafia to win we need the voting majority.  i understand that in times a gambit like that is necessary, but i don't think it should be done unless it's unaviodable.

 

in the '2fer1' gambit that Lily is talking about, i was part of that team as well.  and i hated seeing lily sacrifice herself, especailly so early on in the game.

 

 

 

by no means i'm i a great player, or a great mod (maybe a great story teller but meh) and there are playing styles on here i dont agree with.  but i hate seeing the attacks on people and tellign them "you're not playing the game right" because of their playing style.

 

And that attitude is why the gambit worked

[DPR]

 

;D

 

And everybody misses Sira. She is the umltimate mafia legend.

[Alys Kinch]

to me, and i stressed this each time, even a vanilla player isn't expendable on a mafia team because in order for the mafia to win we need the voting majority.  i understand that in times a gambit like that is necessary, but i don't think it should be done unless it's unaviodable.

The problem here is semantics. If the vanilla member secures the game for the rest of your team, the word to be used for killing them is not really expendable. They weren't killed without a cause.

 

That said, it should only be used where the player agrees. Literally throwing them under the bus and appearing to do so are very different.

 

Talya, I would love to get really down and dirty with you again!

 

The best way to win games is to stay cool, seperate fact from speculation, and work exclusively from evidence. Anything else is either a mistake or somebody trying to mislead you. heh

The real problem is figuring out which is really which. Speculation to help? Misleading? Big whoops??

 

DPR, Love you and hate you atm.

 

[Barmacral]

Talya, I would love to get really down and dirty with you again!

 

Giggity.

[DPR]

 

DPR, Love you and hate you atm.

 

 

You wound me, m'lady. Why must you always love and hate me...*looks to the heavens, arms open dramtically...*

[Naeann]

Aww thank you Talya that means alot. :-*

 

I agree about not liking people telling you you are playing wrong Red.  I still get that! lol.

[Red2111]

Talya, I would love to get really down and dirty with you again!

 

well you know, there is an awesome game in the WT taking signups at this moment that provides just the opportuity you might be searching for ;)

[Al Jenn Mael]

40 people.... 40! I mean really? Sheer chaos. *Shakes my head*

[Talya]

Talya, I would love to get really down and dirty with you again!

 

that just how I like it ;)

 

My pleasure Nae..  :-*

[LedZepMan]

not having lynched or nk'd verbal yet.

 

 

[Red2111]

40 people.... 40! I mean really? Sheer chaos. *Shakes my head*

 

yep 40 people.  everyone has a role and there will be plenty of twists.

 

the game's mechanics are much like Rey's awesome Mafia game where players will choose a place to visit each night and said place will unlock traps and goodies.

[Al Jenn Mael]

I wouldn't necessarily call it a pet peeve, but I am not a huge fan of games with more than 20 people. There is just to much going on and the ratio of inactive to active stay the same. As to active get picked off for looking suspicious, due to being active, or getting night killed the in-actives grow.

 

Just my take on the 'huge' mafia type games. I hope the game goes well for you Red.

[Red2111]

i hoep it does too :)  i really want to do my favorite book series justice.  listening to the audio books right now to get in the HP mindset *grins*

 

 

you did great in Lily's massive game though Al

[Alys Kinch]

Heh, check out this thread, Wes, possibly other oldbies. :D Back with the unofficial start of the let's not kill each other right away phase.

 

http://forums.dragonmount.com/index.php/topic,31776.0.html