90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[dicetosser1]

I’m caught up have some quotes but about to get off the train

[dicetosser1]

  On 4/21/2025 at 5:18 PM, Ironeyes said:

Doesn't matter, you'll outlive me. When Heavy flips scum, I'll be tomorrow's lynch. When I flip town, people will look at you with much greater suspicion. 

 

Correct. 

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this doesn’t make sense

 

if heavy flips scum why are you tomorrows lynch?

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 5:40 PM, Turin Turambar said:

That seems like a lot of assumptions when HEAVY has exactly 1 vote. I think???

 

This feels a lot like a big bus job. But it still makes no sense to me. 

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if it is it may be the worst one ever
 

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 6:22 PM, keyholder21 said:

Going to spoiler some of these big posts.

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Bold, okay, tone and gut read. I don't remember you spending time explaining gut and tone reads before?  Saying it, yes, but going into extra explanation? This is sketch. Especially with little to no explanation on anyone else.

 

 

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Bold - *preens* lol. It's because I do them on desktop.  I hate doing multiquotes on my phone.  I hate typing anything big on my phone.  I don't understand how students write their essays on their phones nowadays. [insert joke about being old here.]

 

Italics - I don't get how these make him look town to you? I feel like they are doing the opposite to me.  Yes there were issues last game, but he was also WAY involved and definitely posted helpful things. I do agree that not being afraid to get into things is a good look though. 

 

Bold - Fair.  Just not something I thought new scum would do off the bat, but the switch is telling, imo. Plus I got burned by Gud last game so I feel like I was paying extra attention to seeing anything I felt was odd from a new player.

 

 

Color is fine with me.

 

Fair enough on the tinfoil.  I think I addressed it earlier, but let me know.

 

Re: The heavy discussion you quoted - was it just me you were looking for information from?? Seems like a very chill response.  I know you said it's based on last game, but it is weirding me out man!

 

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And then you do things like the bold which again makes me think town Turin.

 

@Turin Turambar - What do you think of dice's posts since?  I get that you think his vote on heavy was anti-town - are you still feeling that way?

 

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First Italics - where's Verb when we need him? lol.

 

Bold - You are contradicting yourself in this statement.  He's not doing anything suspicious to you, yet if he were town he'd be more active and cheerleading?

 

All the rest of the italics - what do these mean to you? Are these folks scum? null? 

 

Second bold - What are townie things to you?

 

Third bold - what does this mean??

 

Last bold - But you're not posting the same?  Go look at a post of yours from the first few pages and then a post now and tell me how those are the same?  

 

 

I feel like this is a calm response, which makes me want to say town, but, and I know I feel weird about it.  So, I guess this makes me the one with tinfoil now? 

 

@Ithillian Turambar - This seems helpful of Turin, how do you feel about that?

 

 

So you think he's trying to pocket you?

 

 Bold - what do you mean?

 

 

Bold - I don't see that?  I do see the gentle response of both, but not sure I feel W/W.  Maybe T/W? Admittedly, this is based on my current scum read of Heavy and town read of Turin.

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top. Because I was ASKED.

 

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 7:24 PM, keyholder21 said:

I was hoping to catch up fully before I had to leave for a meeting and classes, but no such luck. Reading through the rest here's what I've got right now.  

Heavy - leaning scum. felt like newbie town at first, but I can't get the switch in tone out of my head, especially when he says that he didn't switch tone?  I also feel like his reads were light on decisions and mostly copying what other folks were saying in thread. 

 

IE - Scummy. Defense of heavy, then wigging out when defense was called out, and contradictions of himself in thread, and then laser focusing on me when there are other people who also pointed out his defense of Heavy???

 

Verb - showed up and seems to be doing work.  This is vastly different from last game which makes me lean town. 

 

DPR - light early game involvement, but in the mix now.  Seems to be scum hunting and looks like last game to me where he was town, so town.

 

Lenlo - null.  I like some of the questions he's asking and I think it's good that he acknowledge he wasn't here and is trying to fix that, but I also get the feeling  he is just sitting back and letting the thread happen which feels like it reminiscent of way back when scum?  I don't feel super strongly either way, so need more.  

 

Nyn - Town. Felt good about her all game.  I think she's asking good questions and remaining up on the game.

 

Turin - Town, but with a tinfoil re: involvement/attitude. I think he's also asking good questions and he is trying to explain himself, which, imo, he did last game as town. I still feel like his involvement/attitude is off, but I know that's colored by last game, hence tinfoil.   

 

Ithi - Feels town. Seems to be poking and prodding the thread and asking good questions, imo.

 

dice - Scummy. I didn't hate his vote on Heavy, personally, but I don't like his posts since. He gave, it felt like LOTS of reasons for his gut read on Nyn and little else for his reads otherwise.  I also don't like that he needed to be asked to provide his reads?

 

Eddie - ???? Here somewhat, but seems to be playing rather than trying to scum hunt. I don't remember enough of his meta to know whether or not this is AI for him.

 

Rand - Scummy, imo.  Here for a sec, seemingly wigs over his joke vote to Nyn, offers a "reads" list that basically says nothing and then is gone again. 

 

Tigraine -  ???? doesn't really feel like she's here and I, and I know this is going to be hypocritical lol, don't like that she's on like page 8 of her catch up when we are so close to DL.

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ypu made me laugh. One minute you note that I do t normally explain guy reads but now find me scummy because I needed to be asked?

 

inconsistent much?

 

also noting that your finding the person I’m finding scummy scummy too…

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 8:30 PM, RandA lThor said:

LOL, sorry adding this in before I continue reading, but voting me off that one post is a little ridiculous imo. Strengthens my read on you

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And?

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 9:07 PM, Ironeyes said:

He lives!

IDK how all of you are forming reads on Dice with how little he's done. 

 

If I had three votes I would use them on all three of you, Key, and DPR. Since I only have one, I'm limited to pointing out his misreps and building a case for Day 2 or 3. I'm willing to vote him though if the next 5 hours go very differently from what I expect. What I think will happen though is that you and I will be the competing trains.

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For someone who apparently has “done so little” I seem to be getting talked about a fair bit. 

[Ironeyes]

  On 4/21/2025 at 9:44 PM, dicetosser1 said:

this doesn’t make sense

 

if heavy flips scum why are you tomorrows lynch?

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Because at the time we were closely tied together. This may have changed since but at the time many players thought we were teammates. 

  On 4/21/2025 at 9:44 PM, dicetosser1 said:

For someone who apparently has “done so little” I seem to be getting talked about a fair bit. 

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Which is why I'm bemused... 

 

Edited April 21 by Ironeyes
Removing mistaken attachment containing work material. Ithi said I could :)

[Ironeyes]

Crap. @Darthe, can I edit out the attachment in that post? I used the wrong keyboard shortcut and accidentally pasted in some work product for a patent. It's kind of, um, not my IP.

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/21/2025 at 2:43 AM, keyholder21 said:

 

  On 4/20/2025 at 5:00 PM, RandA lThor said:

I should probably note before there are any overreactions, I'm still at the "love tap" stage of my catch up 😂

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Why you so nervous?

 

  On 4/20/2025 at 5:37 PM, RandA lThor said:

Caught up!

 

Have given some tells that I need to figure out: Nyn, Ithi, Turin, Ironeyes, Dice, Heavy

 

The rest including me a lil more quiet and vibing. Could obviously be due to IRL reasons like myself, but Id wager scum are split between the two groups.

 

Heavy read initially to me as discombobulated town... but maybe Im too trusting

 

Ithi's reasoning post felt like it had some gems in it, one way or the other.

 

There is, I feel as much as possible from current info, less chance that all of Dice, Ironeyes, and Heavy are all town.

 

Will ruminate more, and get back to the wedding Im supposed to be at in the mean time 😂

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First Bold - like what?  This looks like "I'm trying to look like I'm here and contributing something"

 

Italics - what two groups? Do you mean your list above and "the rest"? Meaning, scum is somewhere...in the player list??

 

Second bold - again, says nothing.

 

Second italics - less chance than what?

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Woo I figured out how to partial quote nested quotes. Also quoting someone notifies them right? Or do I need to tag @keyholder21

 

nervous - Lmfao, I literally thought about that as I sent it, but it was after iirc Heavy/Dice (?) were talking about joke votes and I preferred to just avoid more complications.

 

first bold - Ditto what I said to Dice, wasn't meant to be some noticeable contribution, I was organizing my thoughts.

 

first italics - Meant that it feels like they're not all quiet, or not all loud and active. At least one in either group. Again, maybe that's relatively obvious, but I haven't played for years so wanted to note it for myself

 

second bold - Again, partially just a note to myself, but also I don't think it's useless to note that I'm not getting an alignment from Ithi's reasoning, when it seems a decent amount of people are leaning town so far? Neutral is still an opinion worth noting, especially when the player has been active

 

second italics - Less chance than average/random, which is 3/13 (and this would be 1/3 or higher if at least one of them is scum)

 

Overall thoughts on the above, this doesn't go as hard on me as dice, which feels more reasonable, but am I in the wrong that thinking these small type of notes/extremely minor contributions in the beginning of the game are completely normal? It feels more accurate than trying to take a strong stance on limited information. Since now basically back to back people have called it out.

 

  On 4/21/2025 at 2:43 AM, keyholder21 said:

  On 4/20/2025 at 5:38 PM, RandA lThor said:

Unvote

 

Things seem like they might be getting a little srs soon 👀

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Nyn was in no danger from your vote?  This looks nervous again.

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I knew I was going to be AFK for a day or so, and I unvoted so if anything gained steam on her, I wouldn't unwittingly be a part of that count. Is that not normal? If anything, I feel like leaving a joke vote and being AFK after is scummy since you may unintentionally lead people into thinking that others also think that person is scummy. This is the logic I disagree with the most from what you've said above.

 

Overall read - Trying to not be biased by other read lists I've read that have Key as the most town, but don't love all the logic here? However, she was also doing a dive through everyone, and was less reactive based on the above analysis, so I don't feel this is as much of a scummy vibe as Dice's.

 

At the same time, maybe I should think more about my Dice read since unless he and Key are both mafia, at least one town has had a negative reaction to the way I posted my thoughts, and maybe it's more valid than I believe.

[ed2funy]

  On 4/21/2025 at 7:16 AM, dicetosser1 said:

2) crap all.  He’s pontificating on non town behaviour and voting me because I was playing around with heavy.  I hadn’t been back, hadn’t replied to his question or anything.  Hence half cocked.  I wouldn’t say I tried to discredit his thought process as I disagreed with it.  As soon as I do that it can be labelled discrediting can’t it?

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I’m not mad at this? But it stood out to me

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

I'm heading to bed. Won't be around for EoD (and I'm not complaining, I knew it was 4am when I signed up 🙂 ) 

 

Don't know if I should try and think of the best place to put my vote. DPR seems the most wolfy so I'll guess I'll leave it there. Voting Marsh seems counter productive as though I think his logic is terrible I have him down as Town. 

 

Don't know if there is anything more to say to convince anyone I'm town. I'll ask you all this though, if you think that my wolf equity is so high that you won't trust for the rest of the game, eliminate me now. Resolve the whole issue, don't let the wolves save me to miseliminate later. So long as everyone thinks I'm mafia, it will cloud everyone's reads on anything involving me. Best thing I can do for town that situation is remove any WIFOM around me and let everyone start again without my distraction. So if you don't trust me, vote for me, get it out of the way. I don't think it will give you any info, but it will at least stop my behaviour affecting any more than D1 and it will put an end to such weirdness as Marsh's complicated theories. 

 

Of course if you do trust me, great! But otherwise get this over with day 1. My apologies and GL town. 

[Nynaeve]

Starting to crash and gotta get up in 6 hours... ni ni

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/21/2025 at 9:48 PM, Ironeyes said:

Crap. @Darthe, can I edit out the attachment in that post? I used the wrong keyboard shortcut and accidentally pasted in some work product for a patent. It's kind of, um, not my IP.

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I'm gonna take the heat on this and say that I'm pretty sure Darthe will be OK with this.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Please put my name in your edit reasons and Darthe can tell me off later.

[Ironeyes]

  On 4/21/2025 at 10:19 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

I'm gonna take the heat on this and say that I'm pretty sure Darthe will be OK with this.

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TYYYYYY

[Ithillian Turambar]

UnOfficial Vote Count by Ithi

 

Marsh (3/7): Ithi, Wes, Key

Dice (2/7): Nyn, Turin

Heavy (2/7): Lenlo, Marsh

Tig (1/7): Ed

Rand (1/7): Dice

Wes (1/7): Heavy

 

Not Voting: Verb, Rand, Tig

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

count down to hammer time

[Ithillian Turambar]

3 hours and 30 minutes till end of Day 1 deadline

[Darthe]

  On 4/21/2025 at 9:48 PM, Ironeyes said:

Crap. @Darthe, can I edit out the attachment in that post? I used the wrong keyboard shortcut and accidentally pasted in some work product for a patent. It's kind of, um, not my IP.

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Totally fine man, not gonna sweat it for things that impact real life, just maintaining the rule for game integrity purposes.

[Darthe]

  On 4/21/2025 at 10:20 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Please put my name in your edit reasons and Darthe can tell me off later.

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🙂 well done

[Darthe]

  On 4/21/2025 at 10:29 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

UnOfficial Vote Count by Ithi

 

Marsh (3/7): Ithi, Wes, Key

Dice (2/7): Nyn, Turin

Heavy (2/7): Lenlo, Marsh

Tig (1/7): Ed

Rand (1/7): Dice

Wes (1/7): Heavy

 

Not Voting: Verb, Rand, Tig

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

count down to hammer time

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And thanks for this!

 

notarized

[ed2funy]

  On 4/21/2025 at 8:18 AM, dicetosser1 said:

You’re right ithi. I should be able to but that’s just not happening yet

 

im Trying not to let it get in the way but tbh it probably will

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Do better. A game is a game. 

[DPR]

  On 4/21/2025 at 10:06 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I'm heading to bed. Won't be around for EoD (and I'm not complaining, I knew it was 4am when I signed up 🙂 ) 

 

Don't know if I should try and think of the best place to put my vote. DPR seems the most wolfy so I'll guess I'll leave it there. Voting Marsh seems counter productive as though I think his logic is terrible I have him down as Town. 

 

Don't know if there is anything more to say to convince anyone I'm town. I'll ask you all this though, if you think that my wolf equity is so high that you won't trust for the rest of the game, eliminate me now. Resolve the whole issue, don't let the wolves save me to miseliminate later. So long as everyone thinks I'm mafia, it will cloud everyone's reads on anything involving me. Best thing I can do for town that situation is remove any WIFOM around me and let everyone start again without my distraction. So if you don't trust me, vote for me, get it out of the way. I don't think it will give you any info, but it will at least stop my behaviour affecting any more than D1 and it will put an end to such weirdness as Marsh's complicated theories. 

 

Of course if you do trust me, great! But otherwise get this over with day 1. My apologies and GL town. 

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[DPR]

  On 4/21/2025 at 10:39 PM, ed2funy said:

Do better. A game is a game. 

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Do better. In the actual game. Love to see reads and a real vote lol. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Well I'm off to bed. Tomorrow is first day back after long bank holiday weekend and we've already been told it'll be an all people on phones day 😞

 

So I'll be around after 4pm my time.

 

night night.

[dicetosser1]

  On 4/21/2025 at 9:50 PM, RandA lThor said:

 

Woo I figured out how to partial quote nested quotes. Also quoting someone notifies them right? Or do I need to tag @keyholder21

 

nervous - Lmfao, I literally thought about that as I sent it, but it was after iirc Heavy/Dice (?) were talking about joke votes and I preferred to just avoid more complications.

 

first bold - Ditto what I said to Dice, wasn't meant to be some noticeable contribution, I was organizing my thoughts.

 

first italics - Meant that it feels like they're not all quiet, or not all loud and active. At least one in either group. Again, maybe that's relatively obvious, but I haven't played for years so wanted to note it for myself

 

second bold - Again, partially just a note to myself, but also I don't think it's useless to note that I'm not getting an alignment from Ithi's reasoning, when it seems a decent amount of people are leaning town so far? Neutral is still an opinion worth noting, especially when the player has been active

 

second italics - Less chance than average/random, which is 3/13 (and this would be 1/3 or higher if at least one of them is scum)

 

Overall thoughts on the above, this doesn't go as hard on me as dice, which feels more reasonable, but am I in the wrong that thinking these small type of notes/extremely minor contributions in the beginning of the game are completely normal? It feels more accurate than trying to take a strong stance on limited information. Since now basically back to back people have called it out.

 

I knew I was going to be AFK for a day or so, and I unvoted so if anything gained steam on her, I wouldn't unwittingly be a part of that count. Is that not normal? If anything, I feel like leaving a joke vote and being AFK after is scummy since you may unintentionally lead people into thinking that others also think that person is scummy. This is the logic I disagree with the most from what you've said above.

 

Overall read - Trying to not be biased by other read lists I've read that have Key as the most town, but don't love all the logic here? However, she was also doing a dive through everyone, and was less reactive based on the above analysis, so I don't feel this is as much of a scummy vibe as Dice's.

 

At the same time, maybe I should think more about my Dice read since unless he and Key are both mafia, at least one town has had a negative reaction to the way I posted my thoughts, and maybe it's more valid than I believe.

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right let me get this straight

 

key has the same issues with you that I do but somehow I’m scummy and she’s not?

 

that correct?

[Darthe]

Official Vote Count

 

Marsh (3/7): Ithi, Wes, Key

Dice (2/7): Nyn, Turin

Heavy (2/7): Lenlo, Marsh

Tig (1/7): Ed

Rand (1/7): Dice

Wes (1/7): Heavy

 

Not Voting: Verb, Rand, Tig

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

count down to hammer time

 

Deadline is in just over 2 hours.  Night will be shortened a couple of hours to adjust future days to end at 8PM EST.

[Verbal32]

  On 4/21/2025 at 8:17 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Maybe a townie should consider voting 

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Is there some rule I don't remember that says I must have a vote placed before the DL at a certain time?  I did say I'd be back before DL.  If I returned, continued to pressure/case/whatever, and didn't vote - THEN you have something to tweak me on.

 

But you still ignored my point - you are not considering that you could be wrong and Marsh could be town.  You gave only 2 options, and both have him as scum.  That doesn't seem like townie behavior to me.

 

*shrug*

[Verbal32]

Vote:  Dice

[Verbal32]

2 trains at 3 - I'm going to watch the latest episode of The Last of Us, and then I'll be back - about an hour.

 

Don't burn the place down.