S3E5 - Tel’aran’rhiod

[Pandemonium]

I enjoyed this episode, and am really enjoying seaon thus far.  That said there were a few things that felt off to me about episode 5.   i'll give it an 8 overall.

 

Likes:

 

1.  Elaida-- i was surprised by how vicious she was.  I had to got back and look at the 3 Oaths to make sure she didn't break one.  But Aes Sedai are indeed allowed to kill known black ajah without being threatened first.  Savage, she is going to be on a warpath.  'River trash' is my new favorite insult.

 

2.  Eamon Valda appears to have a device to find the Aes Sedai.  I wonder why they won't show on screen yet.

 

3.  Aviendha's aversion to being around Rand.  I wonder how much this has to do with her visions she had in the rings.  It was also cool to see her in the dream with Elayne on Seafolk boat.

 

4.  Lan comforting Moiraine by asking her if she if she knows if she is going to die today.   This seems like the perfect thing for a warrior to say.

 

5.  Faile's fighting style.  I thought it was badass.  But it is also annoying to compare how effective she is versus a grey man.

 

6.  Sisterwives!

 

7.  Hopper and Perrin.  Perrin's inner feels towards Faile being shown in his dream.  I think the show missed an opportunity to show how well Perrin sees in the dark and fog.

 

 

 

Dislikes:

 

1.  Moiraine channeling with Sakaren.  This is just a stupid Forsaken beacon and will take away from what happens when Rand and Nynaeve have their taint cleansing scene.

 

2.  Min having a picture of Matt being hanged.  This is just a lazy way to accelerate the plot.  There is indication that Min draws her visions.  This is just a minor dislike as I understand why they have to do this stuff for TV adaptions.

 

3.  Having a seafolk scene with no deal being shown.  This is one of the areas where the show really needs more time.  Seeing a deal being made with the Seafolk before the ship passage would really convey their culture.  

 

4.  Incompetent grey men.  How many times can they stab someone without their victim dying.  This is getting stupid at this point.

 

5.  Mary Sue Egwene.  I love Egwene, but I don't want her to be a master of Tel'aran'rhiod in 1 scene.  I really hope she gets humbled like a little schoolgirl in the next episode by the Wise Ones

 

6.  Maxsim leaving Alanna right before he knows she is going into battle.  A warder wouldn't do this.  I know it was a plot device, but still...

 

 

 

[Dagon Thyne]

It wasn't as good as the other episodes , but I still think it wasn't as bad as some people are saying.  

 

I don't really mind them.Killing mat's mom since she didn't really do anything in the book to begin with and can be used for motivation for mat later on.  

[Dagon Thyne]

I think they really need to make the first and last episodes two hours.  It would allow them to build up more and include more in the other episodes.

[Pandemonium]

Ebou Dar was mentioned.  i can't remember if they mentioned it before.  will be interesting to see if that city comes into play in future seasons.  

[Mailman]

  On 3/28/2025 at 3:27 AM, Pandemonium said:

 

1.  Moiraine channeling with Sakaren.  This is just a stupid Forsaken beacon and will take away from what happens when Rand and Nynaeve have their taint cleansing scene.

 

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I think we have to assume at this point that there is no feeling others channel at all. I mean Elayne and Nynaeve where what 15M or so from channeling for 2 weeks on the boat and never felt any of the channeling.

 

Have we got an indication at any point in the show of people actually saying they felt channeling happening that they could not see.

[Sabio]

The weakest episode of the season.  It sort of went back to inconsistences that has plagued the show.  Issues regarding stabbing, power jumps, Egwene has to be the super learn so fast, and tossing in changes just to have change.  I don't mind changes, but they seem to really be pushing the series down the darker path.  I do hope the last three episodes are better than this one.

[DaddyFinn]

  On 3/28/2025 at 6:06 AM, Sabio said:

tossing in changes just to have change. 

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Any examples? I know there are changes, but I bet they have purpose behind them and are not just thrown in just because.

[Mailman]

  On 3/28/2025 at 6:47 AM, DaddyFinn said:

Any examples? I know there are changes, but I bet they have purpose behind them and are not just thrown in just because.

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Come on almost the entire episode was only incredibly loosely based on the books.

 

Entire tower sequence not in the books

Entire Alanna sequence is change the only relation it has to the books is that she was in the 2 rivers.

Entire dream sequence with Moiraine entirely made up and after only 1 training session.

Lanfear and Rand dream banging entirely made up.

Moiraine having the worlds most powerful Sa'angreal entirely made up.

 

Bloody hell Rands entire contribution to this episode was to chat and bang Lanfear and play with a kid which when viewed through the lens of the fact he is going to destroy most of the entire Aiel nation is tonally deaf.

 

If you watched this episode in isolation with changed names it would be nearly impossible to link it to the books.

 

 

[Sabio]

For instance the whole Alanna/warder break wasn't needed then have him show up.  I don't mind some of the changes, the burning at the stake seemed like something a questioner would do, The spears around Rhudiean and the bodies in the columns I thought really brought home how dangerous it is and how many fail.  Simply there are changes that seemed like they were just tossed in to have change, which doesn't add a whole lot.  How is the whole Alanna warder thing better?  Seemed tossed in just for a pretty weak out of the blue rescue which wasn't needed.

Edited Friday at 07:05 AM by Sabio

[king of nowhere]

  On 3/28/2025 at 6:59 AM, Sabio said:

For instance the whole Alanna/warder break wasn't needed then have him show up.  I don't mind some of the changes, the burning at the stake seemed like something a questioner would do, The spears around Rhudiean and the bodies in the columns I thought really brought home how dangerous it is and how many fail.  Simply there are changes that seemed like they were just tossed in to have change, which doesn't add a whole lot.  How is the whole Alanna warder thing better?  Seemed tossed in just for a pretty weak out of the blue rescue which wasn't needed.

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No, they are showing tension with the bond.

They promoted alanna to a much more prominent character than she was in the books, so they are giving her some personal story arcs.

And she will probably take up lan's bond after moiraine dies.

So, i do believe that scene will be part of something. Maybe ivhon will ask to release the bond eventually.

 

If nothing is made with it, instead, i'd agree it was a poor change.

 

Speaking of change, i understand why they had rand make out with lanfear - he and egwene have a much stronger relationship than in the books, where egwene was ignoring rand half the time and being abusive the other half. So they wanted to set up something stronger to justify the break up.

And of course, since egwene is rafe's favourite character, she must be shown as supportive and the break should be totally rand's fault.

 

But rand knowingly consorting with a foresaken? That's too much

[A Memory Of Why]

  On 3/28/2025 at 6:59 AM, Mailman said:

Come on almost the entire episode was only incredibly loosely based on the books.

 

Entire tower sequence not in the books

Entire Alanna sequence is change the only relation it has to the books is that she was in the 2 rivers.

Entire dream sequence with Moiraine entirely made up and after only 1 training session.

Lanfear and Rand dream banging entirely made up.

Moiraine having the worlds most powerful Sa'angreal entirely made up.

 

Bloody hell Rands entire contribution to this episode was to chat and bang Lanfear and play with a kid which when viewed through the lens of the fact he is going to destroy most of the entire Aiel nation is tonally deaf.

 

If you watched this episode in isolation with changed names it would be nearly impossible to link it to the books.

 

 

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Dude! 

 

There's nothing wrong with having issues or not liking the show, but once again your not acknowledging or responding to someone's point.

 

Quite frankly you're coming across as a bit of a dick.

 

Reread what @DaddyFinn was responding to and his comment and explain how your response is valid in that context please.

[Mailman]

  On 3/28/2025 at 10:11 AM, A Memory Of Why said:

 

Dude! 

 

There's nothing wrong with having issues or not liking the show, but once again your not acknowledging or responding to someone's point.

 

Quite frankly you're coming across as a bit of a dick.

 

Reread what @DaddyFinn was responding to and his comment and explain how your response is valid in that context please.

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Dude yourself!

 

He asked for examples, and I provided numerous. You can make a judgement on just how required they were for an adaption, I would argue for most of them not very.

 

I would argue that sacrificing an unforgivable amount of screentime to Alanna and her warders and their melodrama when you have Lan and Moiraine who could have filled this void and kept the show on a tighter and cleaner line is a poor choice for an adaption desperately short on time.

 

I would argue that inventing a relentless number of tower politic scenes are not required for an adaption failing to generate enough time for it's main protagonists including relegating the main character to playing with a kid and laughing about being the Car'a'can despite that meaning he is going to destroy most of that childs civilization. A tonally deaf scene if there ever was one.

 

I would argue that giving Egwene the power to instantly bring non dreamers into the dream was simply a sloppy writing mechanic to allow the showrunners to again throw Moiraine and Siuane at each other and thus not required for an adaption.

 

Is that enough validity for you. Have I explained myself enough for you to understand. Or are you going to insult me again.

Edited Friday at 10:46 AM by Mailman

[DigificWriter]

I can't believe I'm about to reference a fandom meme, but if the writers were truly "tossing in changes just to have change", Rafe would've let the Yellow Ajah Sister whom Valda burned at the stake in Episode 1x02 be named 'Chesmal Emry'.

 

Every single thing that the show does is calculated and serves a purpose, be it to flesh out the world-building and Lore, serve as an Easter Egg, flesh out or develop characterization, or help facilitate storytelling, just to name a few considerations.

 

Nearly every time someone with a negative view of the show makes a comment, they continually demonstrate just how ignorant they are when it comes to storytelling, and also that they've taken the way that Robert Jordan chose to tell his story - which was shaped and dictated by his own personal interests and beliefs, the social Mores of the time, and the Literary medium - as if it's some 'Holy' blueprint that can't be deviated from.

[king of nowhere]

  On 3/28/2025 at 10:44 AM, Mailman said:

Dude yourself!

 

He asked for examples, and I provided numerous. You can make a judgement on just how required they were for an adaption, I would argue for most of them not very.

 

I would argue that sacrificing an unforgivable amount of screentime to Alanna and her warders and their melodrama when you have Lan and Moiraine who could have filled this void and kept the show on a tighter and cleaner line is a poor choice for an adaption desperately short on time.

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It's probably part of character development and showcasing the warder relevant for when alanna will take lan's bond.

If it's not, it's a poorly conceived scene. I'll suspend judgment until later. 

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I would argue that inventing a relentless number of tower politic scenes are not required for an adaption failing to generate enough time for it's main protagonists including relegating the main character to playing with a kid and laughing about being the Car'a'can despite that meaning he is going to destroy most of that childs civilization. A tonally deaf scene if there ever was one.

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The books devote a lot of time to tower politics.

Besides, you don't want elaida's coup to come out of nowhere.

 

 

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I would argue that giving Egwene the power to instantly bring non dreamers into the dream was simply a sloppy writing mechanic to allow the showrunners to again throw Moiraine and Siuane at each other and thus not required for an adaption.

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I would agree, but the show being "desperately short on time" may force to cut some training montage. The lessons on channeling in the tower also were cut short.

 

I still would agree on this point, though.

[Mailman]

  On 3/28/2025 at 10:48 AM, DigificWriter said:

I can't believe I'm about to reference a fandom meme, but if the writers were truly "tossing in changes just to have change", Rafe would've let the Yellow Ajah Sister whom Valda burned at the stake in Episode 1x02 be named 'Chesmal Emry'.

 

Every single thing that the show does is calculated and serves a purpose, be it to flesh out the world-building and Lore, serve as an Easter Egg, flesh out or develop characterization, or help facilitate storytelling, just to name a few considerations.

 

Nearly every time someone with a negative view of the show makes a comment, they continually demonstrate just how ignorant they are when it comes to storytelling, and also that they've taken the way that Robert Jordan chose to tell his story - which was shaped and dictated by his own personal interests and beliefs, the social Mores of the time, and the Literary medium - as if it's some 'Holy' blueprint that can't be deviated from.

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I've got no idea what that meme you are referencing is?

 

Chesmal was in episode 1 of this season so why she would have died in episode 2 of season 1 I have no idea.

 

How can we be ignorant of storytelling as you previously said that there is no objective good or bad storytelling.

[Mailman]

  On 3/28/2025 at 11:06 AM, king of nowhere said:

 

It's probably part of character development and showcasing the warder relevant for when alanna will take lan's bond.

If it's not, it's a poorly conceived scene. I'll suspend judgment until later. 

The books devote a lot of time to tower politics.

Besides, you don't want elaida's coup to come out of nowhere.

 

 

I would agree, but the show being "desperately short on time" may force to cut some training montage. The lessons on channeling in the tower also were cut short.

 

I still would agree on this point, though.

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Even if she takes Lans bond i feel we have devoted far to much time to the melodrama of her and the warders. We could have fully explored almost everything about warders and Aes Sedai with Moiraine and Lan while deepening our connection with these 2 vital characters. It would even have increased the impersonal feeling of transferring the bond by not throwing Alanna at us every episode.

 

At this point in the books they had devoted almost no time to tower politics and they did not really until Egwene a main character stepped into the role.

Edited Friday at 11:27 AM by Mailman

[A Memory Of Why]

  On 3/28/2025 at 10:44 AM, Mailman said:

Dude yourself!

 

He asked for examples, and I provided numerous. You can make a judgement on just how required they were for an adaption, I would argue for most of them not very.

 

I would argue that sacrificing an unforgivable amount of screentime to Alanna and her warders and their melodrama when you have Lan and Moiraine who could have filled this void and kept the show on a tighter and cleaner line is a poor choice for an adaption desperately short on time.

 

I would argue that inventing a relentless number of tower politic scenes are not required for an adaption failing to generate enough time for it's main protagonists including relegating the main character to playing with a kid and laughing about being the Car'a'can despite that meaning he is going to destroy most of that childs civilization. A tonally deaf scene if there ever was one.

 

I would argue that giving Egwene the power to instantly bring non dreamers into the dream was simply a sloppy writing mechanic to allow the showrunners to again throw Moiraine and Siuane at each other and thus not required for an adaption.

 

Is that enough validity for you. Have I explained myself enough for you to understand. Or are you going to insult me again.

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Sorry dude, I wasn't insulting you directly, merely commenting on your biased obstinant arguments and how they may be viewed.

 

To be clear, @DaddyFinn point was that they may have done things for a reason which was in response to @Sabio saying they're adding thing for no reason. 

 

And whilst you did answer a question in his post (that wasn't directed at you), you didn't acknowledge his point or even provide context on what you were responding to.

 

Which looks like your arguing against the whole post, and like you're going on a tangent based on your opinions and feelings and not discussing the point someone was arguing.

 

That could be construed as a strawmans argument, and that's not cool.

 

But thank you for clearing that up, I didn't realise you were responding to the question and didn't care about the point he was making.

[Mirefox]

  On 3/28/2025 at 10:48 AM, DigificWriter said:

I can't believe I'm about to reference a fandom meme, but if the writers were truly "tossing in changes just to have change", Rafe would've let the Yellow Ajah Sister whom Valda burned at the stake in Episode 1x02 be named 'Chesmal f*cking Emry'.

 

Every single thing that the show does is calculated and serves a purpose, be it to flesh out the world-building and Lore, serve as an Easter Egg, flesh out or develop characterization, or help facilitate storytelling, just to name a few considerations.

 

Nearly every time someone with a negative view of the show makes a comment, they continually demonstrate just how ignorant they are when it comes to storytelling, and also that they've taken the way that Robert Jordan chose to tell his story - which was shaped and dictated by his own personal interests and beliefs, the social Mores of the time, and the Literary medium - as if it's some 'Holy' blueprint that can't be deviated from.

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And every time you shut down a critique you act like the infallible god of storytelling.  Even in a vacuum removed from the source material this plot has more holes than Swiss cheese, horrible pacing issues, logical inconsistencies, and an entire armories of Chekhov’s guns that are either forgotten or lazily used and then forgotten.

 

But you are right to the extent that every change has purpose insomuch as every change was presumably written by a human.  Other reasons that you conveniently left out are 1) style over substance, 2) disconnect between multiple writers and multiple directors, 3) immaturity/incompetence, 4) an explicitly stated desire to “modernize” the story, 5) shifting tones to piggyback off the popularity of other shows, 6) pissant writers who truly think their ideas are better than the source material that they don’t respect.

 

I’ve liked schlock before.  There is nothing wrong with being entertained by mediocrity.  Yet to die on the hill of defending mediocrity from any valid criticism says far more about the apologist than the product.

[Mailman]

  On 3/28/2025 at 11:32 AM, A Memory Of Why said:

 

Sorry dude, I wasn't insulting you directly, merely commenting on your biased obstinant arguments and how they may be viewed.

 

To be clear, @DaddyFinn point was that they may have done things for a reason which was in response to @Sabio saying they're adding thing for no reason. 

 

And whilst you did answer a question in his post (that wasn't directed at you), you didn't acknowledge his point or even provide context on what you were responding to.

 

Which looks like your arguing against the whole post, and like you're going on a tangent based on your opinions and feelings and not discussing the point someone was arguing.

 

That could be construed as a strawmans argument, and that's not cool.

 

But thank you for clearing that up, I didn't realise you were responding to the question and didn't care about the point he was making.

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It's a forum not a direct message it was not meant for him to solely respond too just as you choose to respond to a comment that I did not direct at you.

 

I apologize if you jumped to the conclusion that I was avoiding extrapolating on the examples I listed as some argumentative ploy. I simply thought that it was obvious that I thought they were not required or good changes for the adaption.

 

How is it a strawman argument, I did not set up a separate thing to argue about I listed specific examples of changes within the show compared to the books and then when challenged by you I happily listed the issues with the changes.

 

It's very hard to believe that you don't think calling me a dick is an insult or then going on to label me as biased and obstinant as doubling down on this. 

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[DigificWriter]

  On 3/28/2025 at 11:08 AM, Mailman said:

I've got no idea what that meme you are referencing is?

 

Chesmal was in episode 1 of this season so why she would have died in episode 2 of season 1 I have no idea.

 

How can we be ignorant of storytelling as you previously said that there is no objective good or bad storytelling.

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When the series was being developed, there was a point where the Yellow Ajah sister Valda killed was named Chesmal Emry, and when he found this out, Rafe went apoplectic and used the phrasing 'Chesmal Emry' in his response, and the fandom has turned said phrasing into a meme.

 

My point, though, was that were the accusation that the show is just "tossing in changes for the sake of change" true, Rafe would not have responded the way that he did.

 

  On 3/28/2025 at 11:41 AM, Mirefox said:

And every time you shut down a critique you act like the infallible god of storytelling.  Even in a vacuum removed from the source material this plot has more holes than Swiss cheese, horrible pacing issues, logical inconsistencies, and an entire armories of Chekhov’s guns that are either forgotten or lazily used and then forgotten.

 

But you are right to the extent that every change has purpose insomuch as every change was presumably written by a human.  Other reasons that you conveniently left out are 1) style over substance, 2) disconnect between multiple writers and multiple directors, 3) immaturity/incompetence, 4) an explicitly stated desire to “modernize” the story, 5) shifting tones to piggyback off the popularity of other shows, 6) pissant writers who truly think their ideas are better than the source material that they don’t respect.

 

I’ve liked schlock before.  There is nothing wrong with being entertained by mediocrity.  Yet to die on the hill of defending mediocrity from any valid criticism says far more about the apologist than the product.

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Not having patience for complaints that i believe have little actual validity based on my own personal experiences and understanding doesn't make me an "apologist".

 

Also, I will absolutely criticize the show if/when criticism is actually warranted, as I did when I commented in the discussion thread for " The Road to the Spear" that it had not been made clear enough in the show that Reincarnation was not explicitly tied to blood ancestry, which in turn led to my absolute confusion and cognitive dissonance vis a vis Rand's story in that episode both in general and in specific with regards to his seeing the Bore through the eyes of Charn.

 

The difference, however, is that, rather than simply attacking the competence of the writers, I sought out explanations for the things about which I was confused, and then used those explanations to respectfully point out/comment on a way in which the writing had failed.

 

[Irvyne]

  On 3/28/2025 at 10:48 AM, DigificWriter said:

Nearly every time someone with a negative view of the show makes a comment, they continually demonstrate just how ignorant they are when it comes to storytelling, and also that they've taken the way that Robert Jordan chose to tell his story - which was shaped and dictated by his own personal interests and beliefs, the social Mores of the time, and the Literary medium - as if it's some 'Holy' blueprint that can't be deviated from.

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It's the Wheel of Time!

If the show's creators didn't want to adapt Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time, why the hell didn't they just write their own show?

Can you imagine the absolute outrage that would have reverberated across the planet if Peter Jackson had made the same level of changes in his adaptation of Lord of the Rings? But the source material was respected, treated with dignity. THIS is the story we are telling. We're not trying to rewrite it to fit our own ideals.

I just wish this show's creators showed the same level of respect for Jordan's work.

That's not me demonstrating ignorance in storytelling, it's me wanting the show to live up to the legacy of the books.

Edited Friday at 12:20 PM by Irvyne

[Mailman]

  On 3/28/2025 at 12:01 PM, DigificWriter said:

 

When the series was being developed, there was a point where the Yellow Ajah sister Valda killed was named Chesmal Emry, and when he found this out, Rafe went apoplectic and used the phrasing 'Chesmal Emry' in his response, and the fandom has turned said phrasing into a meme.

 

My point, though, was that were the accusation that the show is just "tossing in changes for the sake of change" true, Rafe would not have responded the way that he did.

 

 

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Thanks for the explanation but just because he had the book knowledge and quite possibly already the intention to use Chesmal at another point himself does not validate the changes he has made.

 

I am sure at some level he and the other creatives have reasons for the numerous changes they have made. I question the sheer volume of alterations and additions made outside the original work and the value they provide. And the methods by which, and for which, they are inserted.

 

 

[Turin Turambar]

  On 3/28/2025 at 12:19 PM, Irvyne said:

It's the Wheel of Time!

If the show's creators didn't want to adapt Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time, why the hell didn't they just write their own show?

Can you imagine the absolute outrage that would have reverberated across the planet if Peter Jackson had made the same level of changes in his adaptation of Lord of the Rings? But the source material was respected, treated with dignity. THIS is the story we are telling. We're not trying to rewrite it to fit our own ideals.

I just wish this show's creators showed the same level of respect for Jordan's work.

That's not me demonstrating ignorance in storytelling, it's me wanting the show to live up to the legacy of the books.

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Uh, The Hobbit? 

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 3/28/2025 at 12:58 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Uh, The Hobbit? 

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Nerd 🤣

 

Tbf, there was a heck load of extra stuff, maybe even 2 movies worth, of extra stuff, in the Hobbit Trilogy

 

Luckily I had someone me to tell me, well actually that person didn't even exist in the book lol

[Turin Turambar]

  On 3/28/2025 at 3:27 AM, Pandemonium said:

I enjoyed this episode, and am really enjoying seaon thus far.  That said there were a few things that felt off to me about episode 5.   i'll give it an 8 overall.

 

Likes:

 

1.  Elaida-- i was surprised by how vicious she was.  I had to got back and look at the 3 Oaths to make sure she didn't break one.  But Aes Sedai are indeed allowed to kill known black ajah without being threatened first.  Savage, she is going to be on a warpath.  'River trash' is my new favorite insult.

 

2.  Eamon Valda appears to have a device to find the Aes Sedai.  I wonder why they won't show on screen yet.

 

3.  Aviendha's aversion to being around Rand.  I wonder how much this has to do with her visions she had in the rings.  It was also cool to see her in the dream with Elayne on Seafolk boat.

 

4.  Lan comforting Moiraine by asking her if she if she knows if she is going to die today.   This seems like the perfect thing for a warrior to say.

 

5.  Faile's fighting style.  I thought it was badass.  But it is also annoying to compare how effective she is versus a grey man.

 

6.  Sisterwives!

 

7.  Hopper and Perrin.  Perrin's inner feels towards Faile being shown in his dream.  I think the show missed an opportunity to show how well Perrin sees in the dark and fog.

 

 

 

Dislikes:

 

1.  Moiraine channeling with Sakaren.  This is just a stupid Forsaken beacon and will take away from what happens when Rand and Nynaeve have their taint cleansing scene.

 

2.  Min having a picture of Matt being hanged.  This is just a lazy way to accelerate the plot.  There is indication that Min draws her visions.  This is just a minor dislike as I understand why they have to do this stuff for TV adaptions.

 

3.  Having a seafolk scene with no deal being shown.  This is one of the areas where the show really needs more time.  Seeing a deal being made with the Seafolk before the ship passage would really convey their culture.  

 

4.  Incompetent grey men.  How many times can they stab someone without their victim dying.  This is getting stupid at this point.

 

5.  Mary Sue Egwene.  I love Egwene, but I don't want her to be a master of Tel'aran'rhiod in 1 scene.  I really hope she gets humbled like a little schoolgirl in the next episode by the Wise Ones

 

6.  Maxsim leaving Alanna right before he knows she is going into battle.  A warder wouldn't do this.  I know it was a plot device, but still...

 

 

 

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Likes: 1. Does it? I always thought it said shadowspawn. I'll have to look it up too.

2. Quite possibly.  There are many Ter'angreal that detect channeling. 

3. I noticed a distinct change in her attitude right after she came out of the Rings. I thought this was intended to signify that she saw her future there.

4. Lan is truly the best wingman evah!

5. Faile is wrecking shop. 

6. Well portrayed. 

7. Hopper. What can you say? That he can already see a possibility of a future with her is great. Perrin needs al the W's he can get.

Dislikes: 1. I'm reserving judgement. It could be that the entire sensing channelling is not a thing here. It could just be showing the power of the object and the effect of channelling that much power. And then later how much easier it is for Nyn.

2. Min clearly explained she was drawing it in order to try to find more details that could be used to help him, despite knowing if she sees it, it happens.

3. How long would that take? It was explained in 10 seconds. I wager we see one at some time.

4. Grey men are just regular darkfriends that give up their souls. Not master assassin. They sneak up and stabbing stab in the center torso as many times as possible. The one that did Joiya was pretty good in finishing her off. People were there to heal Elaida immediately (OP healing is a different issue).

5. Book Egwene isn't a Mary Sue? Granted she takes a while but do we have time to have 30 minutes of training in a hour long episode. Moraine needed to get the message about the Tower and the Dragon to Suian. The personal part was just natural personal interaction.  

6. Maxsim is still distraught over losing his one true love. All he sees is revenge. Lan kinda ran off while Bonded to Myrelle. I would say it isn't  without precedence.  Also, Alanna was not really in the battle. They kinda came at her. I think it was just a chance to portray Valda as more dangerous.  If Max is there to start the whitecloaks probably don't get to set that ambush. 

Just my opinions.