[Standard] Final Fantasy VII Mafia - Mafia Wins D4

[csarmi]

Why the Alanna/Ironeyes train?

[Lizabeth]

I liked that post from Liz though, more townie than I expected

What's that supposed to mean?

[Cory Caboose]

Non voters: prallia csarmi sooh laine

 

Currently prob temporarily darthe

 

For the record

[Cory Caboose]

Why the Alanna/Ironeyes train?

What do you think of them?

[Ironeyes]

 

@Liz I don't think I've called it a tunnel, just a near tunnel. If Ironeyes flipped red I'd look harder at Alanna, if Alanna flipped red I'd probably continue pushing Ironeyes. Independently I feel ok about Alanna, although I accept the things I'm judging it on may not be the best things to use

So you don't expect Ironeyes to flip red?

I think she's just explaining possibilities. If she didn't think I'm scum she wouldn't vote me. Course she's wrong, but that's something I know and you will eventually find out. 

[Lizabeth]

 

Darthe who do you want to lynch today

 

Srs answer pls? <3

Well, not laine. I said yesterday that thats a placeholder. Not you, or sooh or bfg, or liz, or marsh.

 

Nyn is a good option, so is kat I think. laya and csarmi I dont think warrant sus but dont have much going for them either tbf.

 

Why is Nyn suddenly a good option?

[Cory Caboose]

 

@Liz I don't think I've called it a tunnel, just a near tunnel. If Ironeyes flipped red I'd look harder at Alanna, if Alanna flipped red I'd probably continue pushing Ironeyes. Independently I feel ok about Alanna, although I accept the things I'm judging it on may not be the best things to use

 

So you don't expect Ironeyes to flip red?

?????

[Nynaeve]

 

Darthe who do you want to lynch today

 

Srs answer pls? <3

Well, not laine. I said yesterday that thats a placeholder. Not you, or sooh or bfg, or liz, or marsh.

 

Nyn is a good option, so is kat I think. laya and csarmi I dont think warrant sus but dont have much going for them either tbf.

 

 

ah uh

[Cory Caboose]

Out for a bit have been on phone

 

Will be on laptop in 10-15 min

[Darthe]

I have mysterious ways

[Lizabeth]

 

 

@Liz I don't think I've called it a tunnel, just a near tunnel. If Ironeyes flipped red I'd look harder at Alanna, if Alanna flipped red I'd probably continue pushing Ironeyes. Independently I feel ok about Alanna, although I accept the things I'm judging it on may not be the best things to use

So you don't expect Ironeyes to flip red?

I think she's just explaining possibilities. If she didn't think I'm scum she wouldn't vote me. Course she's wrong, but that's something I know and you will eventually find out. 

 

 

yes, but either way she's saying she would push you both.

 

Maybe I'm just tired and logicking this wrong.

 

But if you flip scum, she susses alanna more. 

 

If Alanna flip scum, she susses you more.

 

Alanna is independently a town read.

 

Nvm, I think I might have just seen the answer to my question. But I'd like @BFG to answer in case I'm thinking wrong.

[csarmi]

 

Why the Alanna/Ironeyes train?

What do you think of them?

 

 

That's a good question. But I have no idea. I can't clear either from what I read (like first 20p skim + some posts here) but they didn't stand out.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Nyn, talk to me. Got any hot takes so far?

 

You said Liz was even more inquisitive in her POG game? Does it tell you anything about her alignment here?

sooh this really feels like it comes someone with a motive to get nyn on liz's case

 

in terms of "leading questions"

I suppose a more open ended "Can you tell me more" could have been better. Though I'm not sure how you would assume that such a question would lead Nyn down any path she wasn't already on. She brought up the previous game, which means it's already in the back of her mind.

I just don't like when someone seems to be trying to get someone to say something

 

You see Nyn deliberate differences between Liz as town in a previous game and go "any hot takes?" "You said Liz was more inquisitive as a villager in a recent game, so how do you feel"

 

Just sort of feels "hey Nyn call liz a wolf"

 

Idk seems instigative and I don't rememeber you playing that way as a villager

 

Does that make sense?

Actually this was at sooh not nyn, I misread.

[Darthe]

Hey if we have a tie is it decided by coin flip?

[alannalynn]

 

I liked that post from Liz though, more townie than I expected

What's that supposed to mean?

 

It was a tonwnie post. I have you as null. I guess I'll have to go back and iso you eventually

 

Non voters: prallia csarmi sooh laine

 

Currently prob temporarily darthe

 

For the record

I thought I was already voting ironeyes?

[Lizabeth]

I have mysterious ways

So in other words, you don't really want to push a lynch, you just want to say that you did something...?

[alannalynn]

..... [v]Ironeyes[/v]

[Nynaeve]

I have mysterious ways

 

I believe it involves a process where you pull crap out of your anus, perhaps?

[csarmi]

 

 

Why the Alanna/Ironeyes train?

What do you think of them?

 

 

That's a good question. But I have no idea. I can't clear either from what I read (like first 20p skim + some posts here) but they didn't stand out.

 

 

There was some discussion which I don't even remember. Someone sqaid something about someone else saying something about someone else.

[BFG]

 

@Liz I don't think I've called it a tunnel, just a near tunnel. If Ironeyes flipped red I'd look harder at Alanna, if Alanna flipped red I'd probably continue pushing Ironeyes. Independently I feel ok about Alanna, although I accept the things I'm judging it on may not be the best things to use

So you don't expect Ironeyes to flip red?

 

??? I'm voting him because he's my most likely suspect, but I rarely look for m/m connections without a m flip

[Sooh]

 

 

I can't tell if Alanna/Darthe on P21/22 is Alanna being overly friendly to him or he baiting her or both. it's a very strange interaction. Actually by the end of it on P22 Darthe looks kinda good for it.

 What makes him look good? What makes her not look good?

 

 

 

 

Well you're voting me liz, so it seems like the game is in a rut.

Yeah, I'm still voting me because you haven't given me anything to make me not want to vote you.

 

You know...like answering the question I asked you three times already?

 

 

This post has me sorta wifoming over Liz. On one hand she could just be a villager pressuring for answers, on the other she could be showing just how unhelpful Darthe is and FOS him about it later.

 

 

 Okay, so this is the kind of thing that makes me think you're trying to shade me rather than resolve me.

 

If Darthe is being unhelpful, how is it MY responsibility to ignore that? Why isn't it his responsibility to actually be helpful in response to my push on him. And if I continue to pressure him, does that not give additional opportunities for him to show his helpfulness?

 

And I didn't FoS hin later. I voted him and kept my vote on him.

 

Now what you're doing with this post feels like what you're suggesting that I was doing to Darthe. And as Cory pointed out earlier, it feels like you did that with Nyn in regards to me too. Which is the reason I questioned you so hard on your commentary on me earlier. I liked your response to me then, but this is the second time you're doing it now.

 

Re: Alanna and Darthe

In my mind villager-Alanna has more fire than that. She gets annoyed when people refuse to cooperate and wouldn't deal with the situation as calmly as that. That's what I would expect. 

Darthe did seem baiting at first, but towards the end he just seemed more frustrated about what people perceive as his meta. I felt like that was an honest statement and explanation, and it made me feel good about him.

 

Re you and I

When I go through and read posts I try to point out what I see, and what I feel might be motivations for posts, just like you're doing now with mine. I don't think my opinion on this particular post will have much sway if any on how other people might think about you this game, and I wanted to state what I saw in it. I don't know why I should refrain from saying what I see and what I feel might not be good. 

[Zander?]

Vote count!

 

Alannalynn - 2 - Nynaeve, IronEyes

Cory Caboose - 1 - Prallia

Ironeyes - 4 - BFG, Corycaboose, Lizabeth, Alanna

 

Day phase ends at 12:30 Eastern on Saturday, 10/29!  

 

[csarmi]

yea I like Laine's opening.

[BFG]

 

 

 

@Liz I don't think I've called it a tunnel, just a near tunnel. If Ironeyes flipped red I'd look harder at Alanna, if Alanna flipped red I'd probably continue pushing Ironeyes. Independently I feel ok about Alanna, although I accept the things I'm judging it on may not be the best things to use

So you don't expect Ironeyes to flip red?

 

I think she's just explaining possibilities. If she didn't think I'm scum she wouldn't vote me. Course she's wrong, but that's something I know and you will eventually find out.

 

 

yes, but either way she's saying she would push you both.

 

Maybe I'm just tired and logicking this wrong.

 

But if you flip scum, she susses alanna more. 

 

If Alanna flip scum, she susses you more.

 

Alanna is independently a town read.

 

Nvm, I think I might have just seen the answer to my question. But I'd like @BFG to answer in case I'm thinking wrong.

 

Because Alanna flipping blue won't affect my read on Ironeyes, I think his approach is weird regardless, and it's possible I'm wrong on Ironeyes

[Cory Caboose]

I think darthe is a wolf

 

Him proposing nyn for a lynch feels more like "wolf!darthe purporting an impossible to achieve lynch on a non-consensus read to get villager pts" than villager darthe weighing in on the lynch

 

He's clearly ACTING but i feel if he were a villager the act would be up by now bc we need to make real decisions quick