Multiball Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN WINS

[Nynaeve]

Kat and Tal, are you guys catching up?   I SEE YOU  O_O

[Andrej]

There wasn't a rush. The Hallia wagon built over the course of several days, and even the last two votes weren't instant. You keep acting like I pushed it through when in fact there were five other people on her before me.

 

Fact is, I had expressed I'd be willing to lynch Hallia since she was in my pool of lynch candidates. Her claim and subsequent two line reads list didn't change that. Her post of three Tina quotes didn't. Nor did her going OMGUS on me.

 

Did I want a lynch? Yes, I was getting a bit impatient - I admit that, but not just for the sake of having one. I was ready to get on with it and had reasonable doubt regarding Hallia.

[Andrej]

Also I understand the extenuating circumstances and am sympathetic to that, but that doesn't hold any relevance towards her alignment and I think you know that. I think it's probably better not to continue bringing it up.

[Katiora]

Holy crap.... Well that was great. Ya'll are so busy nitpicking crap that happened early day 1 that doesn't mean anything that you miss the wolves jumping on trains for townies.... 

 

Sorry yesterday was father's day and I had no time to get on here. This is crazy though. I don't even know where to start. Ya'll are so gung ho on me and wifi being a pair... did you ever think that if I was in a QT with Wifi that I would have said something to her there. Not posted it on the thread for ya'll to go on about?  Do you realize I wouldn't have seen Lainey in a QT cause when I posted that I don't even think that Eldrick had said that Lainey was gonna help him mod? If I were you I would look at the people really pushing stuff against me because I can almost assuredly bet that AT LEAST 1 of the major ones doing it is a wolf. The least wolfy of them is Nyn. She at least seems honest in her stuff. Lenlo to me just looks like he's grabbing onto whatever he can throw at someone else.

 

I don't even know how to defend myself against this. I mean... I thought Nyn was being a little overly critical about wifi's question. I posted that Lainey wasn't around... Lainey was getting lynched in my other mafia game and had not posted ONE THING. I knew she wasn't here. I was trying to be nice to someone who has recently come back to DM and  has never played Mafia and so I must be scum buddies with her? That's crazy... That's someone jumping to a conclusion that makes absolutely no sense... That being said... I'm just gonna ignore it for now because how to you explain yourself out of being nice? I won't do it again... promise.. I'll just be mean  

 

 

 

Ok now... onto other things. I've read up from where I missed. It was a little disconcerting when I logged in this morning and it said "Multiball Mafia - Night 1"

 

 

So lets look at the Hallia train. 

 

 

 

Vote Count
 
Lily (1) : Dice
Hally (7) : Zander, Nini, Wiffy, Lenlo, Luthine, AJ, Lily
AJ (1) : Hally

Not Voting : Talmanes, Kat, Nyn

 

That's a lynch.

 

Writeup incoming.

 

 

I have to say I'm slightly suspicious of Zander's unvote after the vote has passed. I have to agree that some of the stuff Hallia said really wasn't all that scummy. Which is the reason I didn't put a vote on her before yesterday. I just wasn't seeing enough to go on. Quite frankly I believed her thing with it's hard coming out of the other game into this one (when at the time the other game was on going). I'm having the same issue and some people are calling me scummy because of it. Though part of my suspicion of Zander could just be he's sussing me hard for stuff I just don't understand and so he's treating me weird and that makes him seem scummyish? idk

 

Nini - ehhhhh I don't know how to read.... 

 

 

Wifi - Not sure either. I do think that she's honestly trying to figure out how to even play mafia. Just not sure what to make of her yet. Just played a game where someone tried to derp clear most of the game even with a few of us saying that was what she was trying to do and she almost made it work. 

 

Lenlo - I think is the scummiest of the bunch. He's locked onto me for a reason that is crazy and he's just trying to mislynch another town in my opinion. 

 

Luthine - I don't know. I've liked a few of her posts. She seems to be trying to figure stuff out, which seems towny, but in this game where there are multiple mafia teams it could be not towny? cause they're trying to figure stuff out too?? 

 

AJ - not sure about. I don't agree with Nyn's case on him putting hallia at L-1. It wasn't the hammer. I don't see great reasoning behind it. I honestly wish ya'll had waited to lynch until today so that I could at least get my two cents in but that was apparently not to be.I'd like to say I would have argued for Hallia but it's kind of pointless and catching up knowing she was town kinda skewed my thoughts of her posts. 

 

Lily - Bleh... I don't like her post. I don't like it at all... But it's another thing that It's hard to look at it and just know. I've seen some stuff from her that I don't know is scummy at all... but... She's semi-suspicious? 

 

So right now out of those two my most suspicious would probably be Lenlo and Lily... With a big ? on lily. 

 

 

I'm gonna try to re-read at least most of the thread from saturday on and see if I catch anything. 

 

One thing I've seen already @ Zander. The reason why I posted so much in early game as opposed to other games is that a lot of the other games started on Sunday. Sunday is my WORST day at getting on. Usually by the time I post in the thread ya'll are 20 pages deep and past the "fun" early day 1 posts when crap doesn't matter that much, so I don't post any of that. THEN where I normally have all week to get stuff and I already have accusations and thoughts to give ideas from there was really nothing solid before Friday when I got off work and away from a computer. VERY rarely do I post anything big on D1 from my phone. It has to be something huge to get my to try to type up anything major on that sucker... and then trying to quote multiple posts are near impossible. Honestly Zander you have me tinfoiling hard  because I just can't seem to get a feel on you when you're doing your best to hunt up stuff on me that's not there  

 

 

Vote Count
 
Lily (1) : Dice
Hally (7) : Zander, Nini, Wiffy, Lenlo, Luthine, AJ, Lily
AJ (1) : Hally

Not Voting : Talmanes, Kat, Nyn

 

That's a lynch.

 

Writeup incoming.

 

[Katiora]

Kat and Tal, are you guys catching up?   I SEE YOU  O_O

 

 

I is trying... trying very  hard lol 

[Katiora]

And please excuse the extra quote that i don't know how got there that isn't in quote things..... DM does such weird stuff... 

[Andrej]

I'm gonna laugh later if it turns out Zander was pulling a page out of Cory's book and continuously telling Hallia she wasn't townie enough to clear to get her off center. The performance after her lynch was overdone, I'd say, taking into consideration his persistence in maintaining her as a suspect until then.

[Nynaeve]

There wasn't a rush. The Hallia wagon built over the course of several days, and even the last two votes weren't instant. You keep acting like I pushed it through when in fact there were five other people on her before me.

 

Fact is, I had expressed I'd be willing to lynch Hallia since she was in my pool of lynch candidates. Her claim and subsequent two line reads list didn't change that. Her post of three Tina quotes didn't. Nor did her going OMGUS on me.

 

Did I want a lynch? Yes, I was getting a bit impatient - I admit that, but not just for the sake of having one. I was ready to get on with it and had reasonable doubt regarding Hallia.

 

I'm not acting as if you pushed it through. I'm well aware that Hallia was on L-2 and that other people were voting her as well, but L-2 is often like the threshold where you don't add votes to it if things are still undergoing, which I personally felt like they were when you cast your vote because I was still interacting with her. In Lily's case it's different cause I was done talking to Hallia at that point and expressed I was basically waiting for Zander. I guess she wasn't interested in his input.  *shrugs* Like, again, I can't make people do what I want, no matter how much I want to 

 

Bottom line is, I just wish people would have waited for Zander to show, basically. I think it was apparent I was hesitating. And since I think both Z and me were most vocal about her and probably know her best, I think it was a prudent thing to do since there wasn't any looming DL. You can disagree if you want, but that's my opinion.

[Andrej]

@Kat - you left Talmanes off your list. Any opinion on him?

[Nynaeve]

Also I understand the extenuating circumstances and am sympathetic to that, but that doesn't hold any relevance towards her alignment and I think you know that. I think it's probably better not to continue bringing it up.

 

Maybe it doesn't hold relevance to you, but it does to me. The CORE of the case against her was lack of spirits. And had she brought it up to defend herself? I might have raised my eyebrow at it. But coming to realize it myself? There's no way I could have just disregarded it. It basically meant that I couldn't use that tell to try to read her this game, hence the hesitation. I'm not saying that in itself cleared her. Not at all. I'm just saying that a big portion of why I thought she was scum, was actually entirely null in this occasion. That's what it boils down to.

[Nynaeve]

I'm gonna laugh later if it turns out Zander was pulling a page out of Cory's book and continuously telling Hallia she wasn't townie enough to clear to get her off center. The performance after her lynch was overdone, I'd say, taking into consideration his persistence in maintaining her as a suspect until then.

 

I'm most likely never lynching Zander this game.  He's town imo. 

[Lenlo]

I agree Zander is town. I think he's wrong to set you up as a lynch AJ, but I dont think that makes him wolfy.

 

Kat, what do you mean I'm "grabbing whatever I can to throw at people"? Ibe done more clearing then throwing this game so that confuses me.

[Katiora]

@Kat - you left Talmanes off your list. Any opinion on him?

 

 

I left a lot of people off my list. I only went on the ones that were on the train... I'll read up on the thread some more and post my thoughts on everyone else... 

[Katiora]

I agree Zander is town. I think he's wrong to set you up as a lynch AJ, but I dont think that makes him wolfy.

 

Kat, what do you mean I'm "grabbing whatever I can to throw at people"? Ibe done more clearing then throwing this game so that confuses me.

 

 

The people  you are "clearing" are the people that are already being cleared by others. And I doubt that you are confused one bit. Mostly I'm talking about Hallia and myself because I think that's the only place you've found a good place to grab onto. But clearing D1 doesn't mean squat and you know it. There is no way you have enough information on anyone to clear D1 or usually even by D2. And if you've cleared more than you've been suspicious of that makes me suspicious. 

[Andrej]

I'm most likely never lynching Zander this game. He's town imo.

That's fine. There's still others I want to hash out before him, but the thought occurred to me and it's something I think should be kept in mind in the event he's still around at a later stage.

[Lenlo]

I mean, finding a town core is more important early then finding wolves imo. It's easier to find people town telling then it is to find wolves most of the time.

 

As for them already being cleared by others, yeah. Cause they are town telling. Other people are pickin up on that. If I got the same conclusion independatly as everyone else, then what are the odds were all wrong?

 

As for throwing shade... don't be wolfy? Is it really throwing it around if I have 2 suspects D1?

 

I'm having trouble seeing what the problem is, because very little of what your saying sounds bad to me.

[Andrej]

I agree Zander is town. I think he's wrong to set you up as a lynch AJ, but I dont think that makes him wolfy.

I'm talking more so about how he handled the Hallia situation before and after the lynch, but it's not something I would heavily pursue atp. Just something I'll have in mind going forward.

[Lenlo]

I think that was just Zander hindsight and a little bit of Hallia bias.

[Nynaeve]

He needs to learn that being late isn't cool anymore.

[Nynaeve]

[Wildfire Sedai]

 

AJ = scum

 

Why: He has no problem with letting an innocent die just for information. Like I remember seeing him post that but I can't find it in his ISO? 0.0 Also suspect. He admitted in the post that he thought she was town but was willing to lynch her just the same, cause he didn't think she could pull herself out of it. Again I can't find the post but I remember the wording almost word for word.

[Wildfire Sedai]

Granted I voted for her, also! However, I was told only scum know who everyone is in the game. And she named 3 town rotb. And then to be fair it got a little personal when she started in on me.

[Zander?]

 

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

 

 

I think that was hammer, right? GL town.

 

 

That was L-1.

 

As much as it pains me to do so, but we need some resolution to continue chugging ahead.

 

Are you seriously not unvoting her after not only the post I had quoter recently but with the gl Town as well when she thought it was hammer???

 

FoS AJ

 

 

So, Zander, have you cooled down about this? Because IA that neither of those posts at the time convinced me of her innocence. She'd said GL town once before when she was still L-1 iirc, and she was definitely L-1 when she said so here. She could have been pretending to think it was hammer vote in order to get one of us to unvote.

 

As for her having a bad week, I sympathize but that doesn't say anything about her alignment: she could have been having a bad time as Mafia, too.

 

 

 

Ya I have but my suspicions stemming from it are still valid imo.

 

My concern is more for the people that know her and have played with her as opposed to those that dont.

[Zander?]

I don't have much to say. I hesitated following Halli's last couple of posts because I know her on a personal level and I realized what day it was and what it implied. That might not apply as a "reason" for some of you, but it was enough for to take a step back and want to wait for Zander to weigh in and reassess.

 

irt AJ, my main issue was him putting her at L-1 when I was clearly still interacting her and asking her questions. What was the rush? For someone he wasn't necessarily that sure of and was "ok" with lynching but showed no real conviction (like Zander and I did), I thought that if he saw me, ie someone who WAS actively pushing her, asking her questions, he'd back off and give me the room to feel her out instead of shrugging and saying she was getting lynched either way.

 

Again, there was plenty of time and I didn't get what was the hurry. I also don't understand the "can't trust her going forward anyhow" angle from his part because I didn't really get the feeling that he was outright scum reading her, more so falling in with Zander and I, and saying its an informative lynch. It didn't FEEL like he expected her to flip scum, in my opinion. It felt like he just wanted the lynch to happen. Also the way he worded how it PAINS him to vote her and "trying to be nice" was a bunch of BS. So that combined with him getting in the way of my interaction with her is why I called his voting post gross. 

 

 

irt Lily, I don't know. She did vote like an hour and a half later, after Halli isoed AJ. But at that point I was waiting for Zander and not really interacting with Halli anymore. So I don't really understand what was the point of her waiting. Obviously I wanted to wait for Zander to show before any vote was cast,  but if she was going to do whatever anyhow, I don't get the wait. Why give someone youre scum reading and plan on hammering the time to do an ISO you're going to ignore anyhow? 

 

Ya Ive asked her the same thing.

[Talmanes]

Hey guys I've asked Eldrick if he can replace me. If not I'm going to try to keep up, but I've barely has time to run my own game. I've been trying to keep up on reading the thread and will post thoughts when I get a chance.