August 9, 2013: CONCLUDED

[Yates]

I'd agree with you if it weren't for the fact that Csarmi tried to create a meta across all three games. As I said he bridged them.

He made himself the same player in each of the three games. Therefore he's playing all three games at once so to speak, not each one individually.

Meaning, for the moment, we have to do the same. And we are.

I'm confused.  What does any of this have to do with where your name lands next to a role when spun at http://www.random.org/lists/ ?

[Krakalakachkn]

 

Ooops

 

Can we edit? To Yate's quote I just meant to link to the In case anyone wasn't aware of it.

Hang on - I'm not done editing the wiki to my advantage.

 

 

[Nolder]

 

I'd agree with you if it weren't for the fact that Csarmi tried to create a meta across all three games. As I said he bridged them.

He made himself the same player in each of the three games. Therefore he's playing all three games at once so to speak, not each one individually.

Meaning, for the moment, we have to do the same. And we are.

I'm confused.  What does any of this have to do with where your name lands next to a role when spun at http://www.random.org/lists/ ?

 

Nothing? It means he isn't playing naturally.

Let me put it a different way...we are all at a party, three different parties in fact.

One is formal, one is a kegger, and one is pirate themed.

Csarmi showed up to all three in a ski mask.

It shows us he has an intent, a reason, to "mask" himself. At least in one game and possibly more.

We need to demask him. That's all I'm saying.

[dapianoplay3r]

 

 

I think the mistake you're all making is considering all three threads to be interconnected in some way. Other than theme, they're not.

I think the mistake YOU are making is NOT considering all three threads are interconnected via "Live Meta."

 

Think about it.  Three wagons to look at.  If BG is voting for Salami in 2 games but not the third, why is that?  What would it mean for BG if Salami flips scum in that ONE game?  He was down for the plan in the first two, why not the third?  See what I'm saying?

 

This is the last time I'm going to explain this.  Please bookmark for future reference.

I've seen this explanation. And summarily rejected it. If BG is voting Salami in two games and not the third, I just attribute it to Salami playing scummy in two and not the third. Simple.

As far as meta goes, I'm already well versed on everyone heres metas. Except for you newer people. I don't need to rely on differences between these three games alone to tell me anything. I'll take each one on a seperate case by case basis.

But it wasn't the fact he was playing scummy in 2 and not 3

There wasnt enough game play to make that assumption

[John E. Kelley]

Thank you for making my point for me Captain Obvious.

[Yates]

Nothing? It means he isn't playing naturally.

Let me put it a different way...we are all at a party, three different parties in fact.

One is formal, one is a kegger, and one is pirate themed.

Csarmi showed up to all three in a ski mask.

It shows us he has an intent, a reason, to "mask" himself. At least in one game and possibly more.

We need to demask him. That's all I'm saying.

I know.  I mean, that's why this is a Salami wagon in the first place.  My question is - why did you quote my gambler's fallacy post?  That post was specifically to disprove Peace's theory that if Salami is scum in 1 thread he is LESS LIKELY to be scum in another.  My post illustrates that since our roles are random, his scum flip in one game has no bearing on his odds of being scum in another game.

[Lenlo]

 

Unvote, Vote: Csarmi

 

Jokes aside, this is actually a really good idea.

Just noticed this, and Csarmi's was alot scummier def, but you guys are lynching him for pretty much copy pasting the same thing in all 3 threads when our good buddy Yates here did the same thing with this post.

Bit of a stretch there, Lenlo.  Are you claiming that you don't see the difference between hiding your meta and promoting a game plan that requires cooperation across all three boards at the same time?

 

Remember to be honest.  You will be judged on your answer tomorrow.

 

Oh there is definitly a difference man. I even said it in the original post. Bolded now see? 

 

Also your last line made Judge Judy pop into my head for some reason. Make it stakp.

[Lenlo]

Stahp* incorrect spelling is hard.

[Yates]

Thank you for making my point for me Captain Obvious.

If you can't figure out how to use live meta to your advantage, that's on you.

[Nolder]

 

Nothing? It means he isn't playing naturally.

Let me put it a different way...we are all at a party, three different parties in fact.

One is formal, one is a kegger, and one is pirate themed.

Csarmi showed up to all three in a ski mask.

It shows us he has an intent, a reason, to "mask" himself. At least in one game and possibly more.

We need to demask him. That's all I'm saying.

I know.  I mean, that's why this is a Salami wagon in the first place.  My question is - why did you quote my gambler's fallacy post?  That post was specifically to disprove Peace's theory that if Salami is scum in 1 thread he is LESS LIKELY to be scum in another.  My post illustrates that since our roles are random, his scum flip in one game has no bearing on his odds of being scum in another game.

 

I quoted it to link to the Gambler's Fallacy page. For reference in case anyone didn't understand what you were talking about.

[WWWwombat]

I hated theme parties in college. Also, iirc, casionos in Europe dojn't have 00 on the roulette wheel. The more you know.

[WWWwombat]

So don't play roulette, but especially don't p,lay it in Vegas.

[Yates]

I quoted it to link to the Gambler's Fallacy page. For reference in case anyone didn't understand what you were talking about.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhh!  K.  Instead you just confused me!

[Yates]

I hated theme parties in college. Also, iirc, casionos in Europe dojn't have 00 on the roulette wheel. The more you know.

It's true.  The mob guys in Vegas wanted slightly better odds than those slackers in Monaco...

[John E. Kelley]

 

Thank you for making my point for me Captain Obvious.

 

If you can't figure out how to use live meta to your advantage, that's on you.

Yeah....I'm not really looking for gameplay or strategy tips, I know what I'm doing. Thanks for offering though.

[Nolder]

So don't play roulette, but especially don't p,lay it in Vegas.

Play Pai Gow.

[Leelou]

I hate gambling. 

[peacesells]

 

 

Ok. He flips town ITT. Now what?

Same question again only he flipped mafia.

Why would that change anything?

 

If town...next thread.

 

If scum..you think a bit cause it's less likely he is scum elsewhere.  Not impossible but a pause button would be appropriate. Especially if we are doing this because we think he is just creating a meta across all 3 threads to hide his scum persona. 

 

"Think a bit".

I'm sorry but that is so meaningless. Just like "getting info".

It's intangible promises and expectations. You are not presenting me with hard reasons just "what if" arguments.

 

It looks to me like you and others are trying to stall his lynch under the guise of being the voice of reason. And I don't think you'd be doing it in just this thread if that's all this was.

You'd argue it out over the three threads like everyone was doing with Csarmi before he left. That indicates it was a calculated choice which would mean you're either scum in this game and trying to buy credit off of defending Csarmi whom you know to be town in this game or you're trying to save your teammate. I doubt you'd be so bold this early so it's probably the former.

 

Once Csarmi hangs you're next in this game IMO.

 

 

I'm voting Csarmi in this thread.  And there is no reason to advocate my point in all 3 threads since everyone is reading this thread too.

 

 

If town...next thread.

 

If scum..you think a bit cause it's less likely he is scum elsewhere.  Not impossible but a pause button would be appropriate. Especially if we are doing this because we think he is just creating a meta across all 3 threads to hide his scum persona. 

Your logic here is false.  This is the logic casinos use to take down suckers in roulette.

 

Think about it.  In roulette the chances of any random spin of the wheel landing on black is 18 out of 38 [there's a 0 and a 00 on the wheel].  If the results come out like this:

 

Black - Black - Black - Black -Black -Black

 

What are the odds of the wheel landing on Black again?  It's GOT to land on Red eventually, right?  Wrong.  Odds are STILL 18 out of 38 on spins #7 through infinity.

 

 

My thoughts on this isn't based on his likeliness to be scum in other threads if he flips here.  My thoughts on lynching fast in this thread then seeing what happens is getting reads on those who voted or not voted him here and comparing meta's to other threads.  I'm not saying not to lynch him on all there..just not at the exact same time.  This allows more opportunity for scum hunting. 

[Yates]

If town...next thread.

 

If scum..you think a bit cause it's less likely he is scum elsewhere.  Not impossible but a pause button would be appropriate. Especially if we are doing this because we think he is just creating a meta across all 3 threads to hide his scum persona. 

Your logic here is false.  This is the logic casinos use to take down suckers in roulette....

My thoughts on this isn't based on his likeliness to be scum in other threads if he flips here.

So you see why I'm confused, right?

[The Crusher]

I have no idea why we are playing three games to vote the same person.

 

vote masteryates

[John E. Kelley]

I have no idea why we are playing three games to vote the same person.

 

vote masteryates

Glad somebody else gets it.

[peacesells]

 

If town...next thread.

 

If scum..you think a bit cause it's less likely he is scum elsewhere.  Not impossible but a pause button would be appropriate. Especially if we are doing this because we think he is just creating a meta across all 3 threads to hide his scum persona. 

Your logic here is false.  This is the logic casinos use to take down suckers in roulette....

My thoughts on this isn't based on his likeliness to be scum in other threads if he flips here.

So you see why I'm confused, right?

 

Yes.

[bgrishinko]

@Nolder, my point is if you are town in all 3 threads, even if people are cross game meta gaming, it is still 3 separate games to scum hunt in. But at least the goal is the same. Look for scummy play, not complicated. If you are mafia in 1 of them, then it gets complicated because now you have the exact same set of people, and in one game you know everything about them and in the others they are a mystery.

[The Crusher]

 

So don't play roulette, but especially don't p,lay it in Vegas.

Play Pai Gow.

 

 

 

Yeah great game. House takes some of your money or all of your money every hand.  LOL  Play craps, only game in the shed that the odds mildly favor the player.

[The Crusher]

@Nolder, my point is if you are town in all 3 threads, even if people are cross game meta gaming, it is still 3 separate games to scum hunt in. But at least the goal is the same. Look for scummy play, not complicated. If you are mafia in 1 of them, then it gets complicated because now you have the exact same set of people, and in one game you know everything about them and in the others they are a mystery.

 

 

According the guy in the other thread all we have to do is get people to tell us what thread they are scum in.  Then let them live in the games they are town and kill them in the game they are scum.  It's nice cause it takes the pressure off them.  Kindness.