The Hunger Games Mafia [Advanced] Game over! Town and TG wins!

[Tyler Glembo]

 

 

 

 

Er...I love that guys hair?  The blue hair.  Can I haz prize now?

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

you can haz the blue knee pads prize for sucking up?

 

wait, I want that one.

[Tyler Glembo]

you can haz the blue knee pads prize for sucking up?

 

wait, I want that one.

 

I lol'd

[Elaevia]

 

CS dude let me ask you this, why would scum bring attention to themselves this early in the game?

 

 

That's a valid question. I don't know. Why not?

 

Darthe can be:

 

- vanilla townie, in which case bringing attention to himself is very good, cause he might draw an NK. Except that his claim (which scum will likely believe) defeats that purpose.

- power role townie: in which case he's playing a Wine game (but why bring attention?)

- scum: but again, why bring attention?

You say 'why not', but surely the point of being mafia is to stay hidden, be sneaky. So fine, I accept that you don't know why mafia would do that, but surely it wouldn't be a casual decision?

[csarmi]

Well, different people have different playstyles. Some like hiding, some like lurking, some like being in the middle of action.

That doesn't necessarily depend on their alignment. In fact, I suppose that a good player would try to play the same with all roles (to an extent).

 

As for being a casual decision: no, it probably shouldn't be. Do you believe that Darthe is not capable of such decisions so early?

 

He seemed a good enough player to me, in fact, making such a bad mistake (claiming vanilla as townie) is something that seems off to me.

[Hallia]

Well, different people have different playstyles. Some like hiding, some like lurking, some like being in the middle of action.

That doesn't necessarily depend on their alignment. In fact, I suppose that a good player would try to play the same with all roles (to an extent).

 

As for being a casual decision: no, it probably shouldn't be. Do you believe that Darthe is not capable of such decisions so early?

 

He seemed a good enough player to me, in fact, making such a bad mistake (claiming vanilla as townie) is something that seems off to me.

Darthe likes to be in the middle of the action, always.  I believe his claim on being vanilla.

[peacesells]

 

Policy lynching Vanilla claims is healthy.

 

This makes no sense.

 

Unvote. Vote csarmi.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Policy lynching Vanilla claims is healthy.

 

This makes no sense.

 

Unvote. Vote csarmi.

This looks like an easy target so ill vote

 

 

I already had a vote. I changed it because I wanted to. Not because I had.

 

You in support of lynching vanillas too?

 

 

 

That you'd rather scum hunt than settle on lynching someone claiming vanilla.

 

You obviously don't understand what a policy vote is.   It's a vote used to change someone's playing behavior for future games.  You are trying to teach someone a lesson. It has nothing to do with the current game.  Claiming vanilla in your first post when there has been no pressure applied on you is policy vote worthy for most players.  Darthe..well, he may have a hidden reason for doing so. 

 

You've been around long enough to understand this...so I agree with Dap that you are just looking for an easy target in Csarmi. 

[ReleaseTheEvil]

It does absolutely nothing to help your case by referring to csarmi as an easy target. If he's an easy target it's for a reason.

 

Also, using this policy vote is just a way to make Darthe an easy target.

 

I call BS. Peace, what did you and csarmi talk about in your QT?

[Darthe]

People are certainly forming sides quickly.  A few questions for those of you commenting:

 

First, was revealing a mistake for me this early into the game?

 

Second, what are the possible benefits and detractions in your mind for this claim?

 

Thirdly, which two other players do you most disagree with on this matter?

 

Oh, and don't forget to mention who you like as well.  Kthxbye

[ReleaseTheEvil]

I see absolutely no reasons why I should make the effort to answer those questions.

 

You certainly haven't made an effort. You can at least start by answering them yourself.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

was it a reveal or a prod?

 

are the reactions genuine or more poking?

 

do you gain social influence if you can get people respond to your questions, or are you just bored?

 

stupid wifom.

[Darthe]

I see absolutely no reasons why I should make the effort to answer those questions.

 

You certainly haven't made an effort. You can at least start by answering them yourself.

 

What a dull response.  But as you wish.

 

I do not consider it a mistake to have revealed or I would not have done so.  Obviously.

 

The benefits will remain unstated by and large but we can consider the clear ones, that a reveal in this game is potentially a confirmed townie from the start if role madness, that I have limited myself for later and so cannot be seen as manipulating the situation with my claimed role later on, that this has most definitely progressed the game quickly, and that transparency with the town is positive.  All of that versus one less potential candidate for the mafia to cop hunt, though the nature of the WIFOM associated doesn't even make this a downside.  Thus their was no reason to not claim, was their?

 

By and large I agree with Csarmi who is playing like a bafoon, yourself for general obstinate and this moderately clever means of attempting to get more answers from me (which only helps the mafia), and I really like several players based on the interactions so far: cloud, BG, chuckles, TG, cindy, and Basel come to mind.

 

Enjoy catching up, peace out.

[Darthe]

by the way, that was meant to say Disagree with csarmi etc etc

[Tyler Glembo]

Alright all, I'm out for the weekend, don't have too much fun without me!

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

... It's shabbas, there will be wine. have fun without me tho :)

[lolguy26]

People are certainly forming sides quickly.  A few questions for those of you commenting:

 

First, was revealing a mistake for me this early into the game?

 

not really

 

Second, what are the possible benefits and detractions in your mind for this claim?

 

its moved the game but it also causes/ed alot of unwanted wifom

 

 

Thirdly, which two other players do you most disagree with on this matter?

 

CS and Peace for now

 

Oh, and don't forget to mention who you like as well.  Kthxbye

[michellem]

Seeya later TG.

 

Vambram hasn't signed in yet (or read his PM), but I'm pretty sure I saw him saw somewhere that he was on holiday this week, so I'm sure we'll see him during the weekend.

[Niniel]

 

Claim: Town Vanilla.

 

Why?  Because I am sick of stupid intros to mafia game and having to use a claim as a crux later.  Now you know so don't ask.  Lynch me for something or don't vote me.

 

Moving on.

 

Nothing interesting has happened yet.  I'll be back when we hit 8-10 pages unless something strikes my fancy.

 

Wow...grumpy much?

 

 

I think we should name him Mr. Grumpy. :D

 

I thought Darthe was trying to copy Nolder 1.0 scum play but he wasn´t. Thanks for giving the game a quick start, Mr. Grumpy.

 

Vote Darthe

 

Claimed Vanilla.

Nuff said. Either scum or stupid.

 

I don´t understand the need to call each other stupid or gfy etc. Also, I think voting for who you think is scummy is more worth than policy lynching people.

 

 

 

Policy lynching Vanilla claims is healthy.

 

This makes no sense.

 

Unvote. Vote csarmi.

This looks like an easy target so ill vote

 

 

Why are you defending Csarmi? 

 

Since I'll be gone this weekend I don't want to accidentally leave my vote on cindy so unvote, vote Dap

 

My early read on Dap was scumhunting, but after he didn't seem to understand why Basel would point out Darthe WIFOMing mafia I don't think he is thinking with a town oriented mind.

 

I´m tired and lazy. So I will just +1 this post and follow up with a vote. Unvote. Vote Player.

[dapianoplay3r]

Morning, lets deal with all the stupidity first shall we

 

 

Add him to the end of it then

The fact is you jumpd at an easy target

No I'm not supportive that. I believe I called him insane for it actually

 

 

Voting somebody for doing something anti-town?  So, let's say Darthe claimed mafia and RTE voted Darthe, would you still jump on RTE for going after the "easy target?"

yes actually. Why would he claim mafia as mafia. That's only been done once successfully to my knowledge.

But besides that, Darthe claimed town not mafia. By that fact alone this should be the exact opposite case pretty much

 No.  Dap, I don't like your reasoning here.  There is a difference between someone doing something scummy and getting heat for it versus mafia jumping on an easy lynch, and at the first vote you can't tell the difference.   you seem to be making the distinction so evidently you can tell the difference

That is all, continue firing up the brush.

I will, you just get even more obtuse the further in the quote I'm going

 

I don't think claiming vanilla right off is the best move. Like Peace said, it means scum have knowledge of how to narrow down their targets. But I don't think it means he is scum. I think there's also the possibility that Darthe really does have a power for town, and he is trying to divert NKs away from him.

 

 

WIFOM for mafia to consider.  I like this post a lot. +1 Basel.

  you would like this wouldn't you, do you not understand?

The moment Darthe did it on thread everyone should of been thinking "Darthe might be hiding a PR". The point of not mentioning it is the mafia may (slim hope cos I doubt they are being as obtuse) of not known that he could of been hiding a PR. Then Basel comes along and just drags all that WIFOM out in the open.

Town didnt need to know about that WIFOM if they couldn't figure it out for themselves. Mafia sure as hell didnt need to know.

So what Basel does is force information out that wasn't needed for town and is serving an anti town purpose (whether intentional or not)

Now do you get why bringing that WIFOM out in the open is silly?

 

It's like if someone drops a cop or doc hint. You don't go and quote and bold it. You keep it quiet and try not to mention it unless it looks like that person will be lynched. Even then let them talk themselves out of it isn't incase they don't need a claim.

Honestly mentioning it only serves mafia

Why would you raise that possibly?

 

 

See above

  ditto

Once again why would you mention that? It's only truly helping the mafia

Claim: Town Vanilla.

 

Why?  Because I am sick of stupid intros to mafia game and having to use a claim as a crux later.  Now you know so don't ask.  Lynch me for something or don't vote me.

 

Moving on.

 

Nothing interesting has happened yet.  I'll be back when we hit 8-10 pages unless something strikes my fancy.

 

 

Hey Darthe, let's all claim then right off the bat!  Oh wait, no, that would violate rule 6.  

 

Seriously though, (assuming you are town) I like this play as it is going to give scum more to second guess at night.

  which is exactly why mentioning it was stupid. The point could of been to try remove that second guessing and Basel just brought it right back, defeating the purpose

CS dude let me ask you this, why would scum bring attention to themselves this early in the game?

 

 

Because somehow it has recently become a trend here to not lynch people who act "too scummy."    For instance, Peace in JohnSnows aborted game asked for all town power roles to claim, asked the cop repeatedly for all investigative info the cop had gotten, asked who was protecting the cop after a failed NK of the cop, etc etc.  And yet nobody wanted to lynch peace because "oh, scum wouldn't act so incredibly scummy!"  Bah.   

  

do you bother to try think of the reasons below the surface? In that case Peace was a cop and he stuck with his cop meta, he also successfully got to stay alive.

In darthes chess game I played scummy for most of the game so I wouldn't get NKed.

It's a balance that you have to get to stay alive but not get lynched.

People who do this generally aren't mafia and do it cos they have a role to claim and save themselves with (Peace has a role btw. He could of fake claimed out of that)

 

Since I'll be gone this weekend I don't want to accidentally leave my vote on cindy so unvote, vote Dap

 

My early read on Dap was scumhunting, but after he didn't seem to understand why Basel would point out Darthe WIFOMing mafia I don't think he is thinking with a town oriented mind.

 

I do understand, it helps the bloody mafia.

I don't understand why he would do it as town and I don't know why you join in on this and support him

 

People are certainly forming sides quickly.  A few questions for those of you commenting:

 

First, was revealing a mistake for me this early into the game?

  yes. People weren't paying enough attention to get what you were doing and make it worth while. Your possible reasons are pretty much destroyed at this point IMO

Second, what are the possible benefits and detractions in your mind for this claim?

 see above. But pretty much undone at this point

Thirdly, which two other players do you most disagree with on this matter?

  Basel and TG. They are being deliberately dense. Csarmi is a close third though

Oh, and don't forget to mention who you like as well.  Kthxbye

  

I kinda got a thing for Amelia Clarke ATM

 

 

Claim: Town Vanilla.

 

Why?  Because I am sick of stupid intros to mafia game and having to use a claim as a crux later.  Now you know so don't ask.  Lynch me for something or don't vote me.

 

Moving on.

 

Nothing interesting has happened yet.  I'll be back when we hit 8-10 pages unless something strikes my fancy.

 

 

Wow...grumpy much?

 

I think we should name him Mr. Grumpy. :D

 

I thought Darthe was trying to copy Nolder 1.0 scum play but he wasn´t. Thanks for giving the game a quick start, Mr. Grumpy.

 

Vote Darthe

 

Claimed Vanilla.

Nuff said. Either scum or stupid.

 

 

I don´t understand the need to call each other stupid or gfy etc. Also, I think voting for who you think is scummy is more worth than policy lynching people.

 

 

 

Policy lynching Vanilla claims is healthy.

 

 

This makes no sense.

 Unvote. Vote csarmi.

This looks like an easy target so ill vote

 

Why are you defending Csarmi? 

 

Since I'll be gone this weekend I don't want to accidentally leave my vote on cindy so unvote, vote Dap

 

My early read on Dap was scumhunting, but after he didn't seem to understand why Basel would point out Darthe WIFOMing mafia I don't think he is thinking with a town oriented mind.

 

 

I´m tired and lazy. So I will just +1 this post and follow up with a vote. Unvote. Vote Player.

Are you serious? You just add a vote and admit you are being lazy

 

Good god

[peacesells]

Dap..I couldnt have said that stuff better except for two things.

 

1 - In the johnsnow game I was scum.  I wasn't the cop.  So, I'm not sure your point there is at all valid.

 

2 - I've seen town many of times make the mistake of outing a town wifom situation.  It is horrible play but scum have no reason to do so as they have a private topic in which to make those posts.  That imo makes Basel look better than Darthe. 

[dapianoplay3r]

You were a role cop weren't you? Mafia thought but cop

 

Like I said about Basel. It is anti town but it could be by accident (he didn't think before he posted)

I wouldn't be surprised if Basel or TG or both are town. But good god they aren't thinking

[peacesells]

Yes..I was a role cop..but that is a scummy role.

[dapianoplay3r]

You could of faked it. Reveal wold of saved you I recon

[Tiinker]

Sticky this thread plzzz

[Basel Gill]

I have a town read on Darthe. First off, as Hally noted, he likes being in the middle of the action, and this definitely puts him there. Second, it seems like the sort of beat the snakes to startle the grass move that he would go for. Third, I don't think scum would really do something so crazy.