[ADVANCED] WOT Mafia: The Great Hunt - GAME OVER!

[bgrishinko]

Okay, so I like the case on JohnSnow, I don't have a lot to add to it except I agree with the sentiment that he could have been trying to hint and was caught. But I'm willing to let that one fester for a bit. Something else that's telling is that he isn't voting for Lenlo, but Shinobi who I think just has a different way of typing and is catching undeserved flak for it.

 

However, I really think that Lenlo has been way over-defensive for Day 1.

 

 

Is there something wrong with me wanting to know why I am being voted? Also if you want to talk setup lets talk setup. Incase you hadnt noticed, the rest of us were having fun and joking for the past 3 1/2 pages.

 

I love gut feelings btw. They are a cheap way of saying "I dont have a real case against you but I want to see if I can get you lynched.". Come back to me when you have a real case please.

 

This was the first major ping I felt of the game when re-reading. A few pages in and he erupts at someone voting over a gut feeling. When is Day 1 not gut feelings? If we all sat around waiting for a real case, nobody would ever get lynched day 1 unless they blew their cover somehow.

 

No, I think this was too exaggerated to be natural.

 

Unvote: Vote Lenlo

[John Snow]

BG a) there really isn't a case on me, just a theory based on one statement, but believe what you will

b) did you read Despo's case on Shinori? there's a lot more to it than just a weird way of talking.

[Lenlo]

Why is it over defensiveness to respond to one of the first real votes when it is on yourself? Your making mountains out of molehills here.

[bgrishinko]

On the contrary Lenlo, you made the Mountain out of a vote molehill.

 

@JohnSnow - A theory based on a statement is a case. It made sense.

[Darthe]

Checking in and getting caught up. My apologies, crazy ass weekend.

[Gabriel Kross]

Why is it over defensiveness to respond to one of the first real votes when it is on yourself? Your making mountains out of molehills here.

 

Had you not commented on it most would have taken Dap's post as a joke vote and thought nothing of it.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Vote Lenlo

 

More then a little over defensive.

[Darthe]

Lenlo sticks out to me, but not as mafia. John Snow may warrant attention later but his train has built extremely quickly and that is a flimsy case, even for day one. It is literally based on what can easily be a wording error. EP is being EP, Dap is a bit pingy but has some good points, and most of the rest of you haven't brought yourself into the limelight except to cast a vote with little comment otherwise.

 

However, two players stick out to me. Despothera is never quite this townie in play and his little back and forth in midthread is pingy to me because he is coming off as.. different. I can't place my finger on how though so until I can figure that out I am going to leave it be.

 

For now, I am going to vote peace. He is either seriously into this game already or something is up with that one.

[Alanna]

Vote Count:

(5) John S - Tink, Despo, Peace, dice, Rand

(2) Shinori - Darthe, John S

(1) wot - GF

(1) LZM - wot

(1) Player - LZM

(7) Lenlo - Player, EP, Nightstrike, Sakaea, Shinori, BG, notbob

 

Not Voting (5): Wombat*, Lenlo, Niel, Sorcha, lolguy

 

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Wednesday, September 12 @ 2PM CST.

[Darthe]

right. unvote, vote peace.

[Lenlo]

Vote Lenlo

 

More then a little over defensive.

 

*whistle*

 

Wow. Bandwagon much? Could you post a full sentence before you vote please? You know something to let us know your actually thinking and not voting with the majority cause its easy?

[dicetosser1]

unvote

 

I still think John made a slip but Shinori is concerning me more than he is.

 

Shinori is pushing the Len lynch along with 2 others im wary of. He also doesnt answer questions even AFTER they are pointed out and he has said he would if he saw them.

 

I think shinori is mafia so

 

vote shinori

[LedZepMan]

Why havent you voted yet len

[Darthe]

LZM, to fix your siggy replace the second time it says center with [/center]

[Lenlo]

For two reasons.

 

1. I havnt seen any compelling cases other than Despos on Shinori and I wanted to wait abit to see if he would respond to the latest accusation.

 

2. The only people who I have had any reason to vote for are the people on my train, the bandwagoners and the moment I vote one of them people are going to scream omgus and start using that to bandwagon as well.

[dapianoplay3r]

I second darthe. It kills me inside

[Lenlo]

Can I third this? Or if I cant can I pass the motion?

[RandA lThor]

I fourth it.

[Shinori]

unvote

 

I still think John made a slip but Shinori is concerning me more than he is.

 

Shinori is pushing the Len lynch along with 2 others im wary of. He also doesnt answer questions even AFTER they are pointed out and he has said he would if he saw them.

 

I think shinori is mafia so

 

vote shinori

 

I assume the following is the questions i didn't answer?

 

Shinori is English not your first language? It's a little tough to make out exactly what you're saying. From what I can gather tho, it honestly is making me want to switch my vote to you even more.

 

You seem to have a pretty defensive tone there. "Supposed" case against you?

 

And like I said, it's still way too early to be throwing out the "What has Lenlo done that is pro-town" thing. It's friggin day 1. Seems you're a little too eager to get him lynched, using lazy scumhunting techniques.

 

English is my first language, I was drinking. Besides It's not like you need perfect english to play mafia. Whether someone speaks English as their primary language or not doesn't matter, and I feel you are just trying to use it as some sort of excuse to not understand what was being said or as some sort of extra excuse to add your vote to me.

 

I disagree. It's never to early to show pro-town actions. You can do them easily and very simply. If it's too early to show pro-town actions then when is the time you normally show pro-town actions? Do you wait until page 20 before you think people have had pro-town interactions and reactions? They can happen as early as page 1, and that's a fact.

 

And yes, 'supposed' case because the case doesn't actually hold anything against me.

 

This is your 'case' against me:

 

I don't think John slipped at all.

 

##Unvote:

 

Lenlo is being wierd. and overly defensive I feel more strong about this lynch frankly, also this http://www.dragonmou...60#entry2530255 strikes me as off.

 

##Vote: Lenlo

That post is relevant to Thor. Who could be scum along with lenlo if lenlo flipped scum.

Explain what you have done that's pro-town Lenlo.

 

This grouping of posts troubles me even more than the other two tho. More parroting of the whole overly defensive thing, but more importantly Shinori is also setting up lynches, which is crazy scummy to be doing on day 1.

 

The last post is even worse. There is no way ANYONE should ever say something like that day 1. Obv some can exhibit more protown behavior than others on day 1, but this is more of a nulltell honestly because scum are going to try their best to look as protown as possible early on. If Shinori had asked this question day 4 or 5 or something, after Lenlo had continued to not really add much to the scumhunt or anything, then it would be a valid question. But asking this kind of question this early in the game is just ridiculous.

 

These posts made me strongly consider switching my vote to Shinori, but after seeing some recent posts of people defending John, I'm going to leave my vote there for now.

 

You asked me to explain and i chose not to at the time caues I was busy at the time.

 

Then I forgot.

 

Iono, partially gut feeling and partially because Ifeel that scum buddies wouldn't think that he would get lynched at that time so defending that wouldn't be bad. Either that or it could be scum defending a townie who he thinks is going to get lynched and figured defending him would look good.

 

>Weird logic.

 

Shinori forgot, or just didn't want to have to go into further detail why he thought Lenlo could be scum? The answer he gives is fairly ambiguous and somewhat unintelligible as well

 

Okay let's see you say im parroting, sheeping, whatever saying the same thing everyone else says on someone that legitimately seems scummy. Which I find as a stupid reason to say someone is scum in certain situations. Question, if someone does something that COULD be considered a flip but isn't definite, and everyone votes X player because of that? Was everyone sheeping or 'parroting' as you put it? Or did they vote someone for doing something legit scummy?

 

I bolded part of your sentence that is important. If scummie players are going to be the people that try to act extremely pro-town and other players normally have pro-town play as a null read then how should we read you? Frankly as far as I've seen everyone states your play this game is off and 'too town'(?) I think was the way it was described. Either way it was different from your normal play and generally more town than normal supposedly. Combine the fact that you LOOK like you are trying to be heavily pro-town this game so far and the sentence that I bolded I would think people should be looking at you. Your meta is supposedly off and you are saying scum would be acting as pro-town as could be, yet pro-town should be a null-tell. Seems to me like something is off here.

 

I know the above paragraph is kinda hard to understand because of how I type. Sorry. I'll try to simplify.

 

Why would you even bother to try and act SUPER PRO TOWN like you are if it's just a thing that scum will always try to do and is considered a null-tell? ESPECIALLY if it's off your meta.

 

For two reasons.

 

1. I havnt seen any compelling cases other than Despos on Shinori and I wanted to wait abit to see if he would respond to the latest accusation.

 

2. The only people who I have had any reason to vote for are the people on my train, the bandwagoners and the moment I vote one of them people are going to scream omgus and start using that to bandwagon as well.

 

So in other words you don't find anyone in this game scummy enough to vote at all? That's wierd. Generally because the way the human mind works and what not, you should have some sort of read on players, whether it be gut or not.

 

In response to 2 i find this scummy. If you think someone is legit scum, make a case on them vote them and argue why you think they are scum. It seems like you are implying that you are afraid to vote because of an OMGUS accusation, which is scummy.

[Graendals favourite]

ok, loads of stuff happening, let me get a hang on it till tomorrow.

[Graendals favourite]

unvote vote John Snow. I does look to me he slipped.

 

Now this is my birthday, and imfanous or not the day, I was first, so did I a read immediately.

[RandA lThor]

unvote vote John Snow. I does look to me he slipped.

 

Now this is my birthday, and imfanous or not the day, I was first, so did I a read immediately.

 

[Graendals favourite]

Well the day is my birthday, and I was born before any vile attacks, so I celebrate it, despite what any harbingers of hatred might intend.

[hazelkrs1]

Shinori is English not your first language? It's a little tough to make out exactly what you're saying. From what I can gather tho, it honestly is making me want to switch my vote to you even more.

 

You seem to have a pretty defensive tone there. "Supposed" case against you?

 

And like I said, it's still way too early to be throwing out the "What has Lenlo done that is pro-town" thing. It's friggin day 1. Seems you're a little too eager to get him lynched, using lazy scumhunting techniques.

 

English is my first language, I was drinking. Besides It's not like you need perfect english to play mafia. Whether someone speaks English as their primary language or not doesn't matter, and I feel you are just trying to use it as some sort of excuse to not understand what was being said or as some sort of extra excuse to add your vote to me

 

I wouldn't say you need perfect english to play mafia, but it certainly helps to minimize misunderstandings and general confusion, which can help really everyone in the game. I'm sorry if I offended you, I honestly thought that it might be possible, considering your handle and all. Anyways, it was sincere confusion on my part when I responded to a couple of your posts, I honestly had a difficult time discerning everything you were trying to say.

 

I disagree. It's never to early to show pro-town actions. You can do them easily and very simply. If it's too early to show pro-town actions then when is the time you normally show pro-town actions? Do you wait until page 20 before you think people have had pro-town interactions and reactions? They can happen as early as page 1, and that's a fact.

 

It's never too early to display pro-town actions, I can agree with you there.

 

But day 1 is far too early to have made the kind of statement you made. So little time has passed, yet you were trying to incriminate him by sin of ommission, rather than any actual slips he had made.

 

It would be like if town lynched a fellow townie day 1, then day 2 someone tried casing someone that was on the lynch from day 1 and said "Has this person voted for anyone who DIDN'T flip town?" It's a very leading statement, it makes someone look worse than they should, when there honestly hasn't been enough time yet to properly evaluate how many pro-town actions someone has made.

 

And yes, 'supposed' case because the case doesn't actually hold anything against me.

 

This is your 'case' against me:

 

I don't think John slipped at all.

 

##Unvote:

 

Lenlo is being wierd. and overly defensive I feel more strong about this lynch frankly, also this http://www.dragonmou...60#entry2530255 strikes me as off.

 

##Vote: Lenlo

That post is relevant to Thor. Who could be scum along with lenlo if lenlo flipped scum.

Explain what you have done that's pro-town Lenlo.

 

This grouping of posts troubles me even more than the other two tho. More parroting of the whole overly defensive thing, but more importantly Shinori is also setting up lynches, which is crazy scummy to be doing on day 1.

 

The last post is even worse. There is no way ANYONE should ever say something like that day 1. Obv some can exhibit more protown behavior than others on day 1, but this is more of a nulltell honestly because scum are going to try their best to look as protown as possible early on. If Shinori had asked this question day 4 or 5 or something, after Lenlo had continued to not really add much to the scumhunt or anything, then it would be a valid question. But asking this kind of question this early in the game is just ridiculous.

 

These posts made me strongly consider switching my vote to Shinori, but after seeing some recent posts of people defending John, I'm going to leave my vote there for now.

 

You asked me to explain and i chose not to at the time caues I was busy at the time.

 

Then I forgot.

 

Iono, partially gut feeling and partially because Ifeel that scum buddies wouldn't think that he would get lynched at that time so defending that wouldn't be bad. Either that or it could be scum defending a townie who he thinks is going to get lynched and figured defending him would look good.

 

>Weird logic.

 

Shinori forgot, or just didn't want to have to go into further detail why he thought Lenlo could be scum? The answer he gives is fairly ambiguous and somewhat unintelligible as well

 

Okay let's see you say im parroting, sheeping, whatever saying the same thing everyone else says on someone that legitimately seems scummy. Which I find as a stupid reason to say someone is scum in certain situations. Question, if someone does something that COULD be considered a flip but isn't definite, and everyone votes X player because of that? Was everyone sheeping or 'parroting' as you put it? Or did they vote someone for doing something legit scummy?

 

Mafia 101: Scum will try to fade into the background of what's going on, and camouflage themselves by "going with the flow" and trying not to rock the boat too much. An easy way to do this is by bandwagoning, and parroting what others have said. Of course 2 separate people can have the same reaction to a post, and both consider the same kind of stuff scummy, but might either say it in diff ways, or perhaps quote someone that said pretty much the same thing, and agree with them. I honestly find looking for parrots and bandwagoners can be an excellent tool in finding scum.

 

And your posts that I quoted honestly were parroting pretty obviously. You didn't have much of a detailed case on Len at all, you said he was overdefensive and questioned how many protown actions he made. It seemed like a very weak post to me, and your reaction to my fos has only strengthened my suspicion of you.

 

I bolded part of your sentence that is important. If scummie players are going to be the people that try to act extremely pro-town and other players normally have pro-town play as a null read then how should we read you? Frankly as far as I've seen everyone states your play this game is off and 'too town'(?) I think was the way it was described. Either way it was different from your normal play and generally more town than normal supposedly. Combine the fact that you LOOK like you are trying to be heavily pro-town this game so far and the sentence that I bolded I would think people should be looking at you. Your meta is supposedly off and you are saying scum would be acting as pro-town as could be, yet pro-town should be a null-tell. Seems to me like something is off here.

 

I know the above paragraph is kinda hard to understand because of how I type. Sorry. I'll try to simplify.

 

Why would you even bother to try and act SUPER PRO TOWN like you are if it's just a thing that scum will always try to do and is considered a null-tell? ESPECIALLY if it's off your meta.

 

This part also really sets off my scumdar, in a big way.

 

You've hardly EVER played with me, so honestly you have no idea what my meta is normally like, and thus should not even try to pass judgement on the matter. All you're trying to do is discredit my case on you by parroting what others have said about me. Just a crazy scummy move here.

 

Unvote, Vote Shinori

 

I'm still worried about Mr. Snow, but perhaps a viewing or some kind of investigative role can help us deal with that wifom. Heck, if he is a symp, it honestly might be a novel idea to let his team find him, so that we can look out for some interesting connections later.

 

Well the day is my birthday, and I was born before any vile attacks, so I celebrate it, despite what any harbingers of hatred might intend.

 

Hehe, my daughter's birthday is today, don't feel bad. And she was born after the attacks, but we don't really let that bother us at all. She's turning 5!

 

[Graendals favourite]