[TOWN WINS!] BG's Basic Wheel of Time Books Mafia

[LilyElizabeth]

Oh, I'm not backing down, just not beating a dead horse. I've said all I need to, and I'm not getting into a pissing match with anyone.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I'd be more interested to see Lily do a case on me ... but I'm pretty sure that is never going to happen lol. She will be more than happy to let you do it though - saves her from having to say anything other than Ithi is scum lol.

[Ithillian Turambar]

She don't have anything to say about me ... because she knows I'm Town. She never had a case see, she just picked the wrong train to jump on.

[LilyElizabeth]

Ithi, I can't get my head into doing that today. I'll try to get one done tomorrow, if you like.

[RandA lThor]

WoT Part 1:

 

I've never read the Hobbit.

 

 

Vote Despo for pretending to be harmless by needlessly mentioning why he can't be around at the moment. Also because he is pretending he thinks it is still pre-game when in fact the game has started and there have already been votes.

 

Vote #2 on Despo, possible snowball effect hope, not really a strong case, and she says this isn't a joke vote, but later she says that you shouldn't have non strong cases on any day

My vote on you was first when I begain to type it, however the inclusion of reasons and game related thoughts caused it to be ninja'd by Tiinker. It matters not, although do you think it a dubious vote because it was a second vote on you, or because I actually gave reasons thus making it clear that it was not a so called joke vote or just because it was a vote from me

 

Have you voted anyone yet? No? Too nervous to make an early vote incase someone twigs you are Mafia this early on in a game? Unless you have at some point and I just haven't noticed.

 

Explains why she voted for Despo, still doesn't explain why it was such a weak case.

Btw, I did want to address something about my meta. People generally seem to recognize me as a pretty good mafia player, but in many ways this kinda works against me. For instance, Lily, you say that I am good at being believably townie as scum, but the reality is I really don't get rolled as mafia that often at all, and just about every time I am scum I get lynched, partially at least because I am such a polarizing player. I try to introduce as much wifom as possible when I go down in such situations, but my point is that I'm actually not as good at wriggling out of lynches as scum as you or my reputation might suggest.

 

Just had to get that out there. Believe it or not, I'm ACTUALLY requesting that yall downplay my mafia skills a tad in the future, I'm really not as good as yall make me out to be!

 

I would like to reveal my role. I am a Genie and hereby grant Despo's wish. He isn't really all that good at playing Mafia, but he is very good at posting lots of stuff that no-one really reads.

 

But, Despo ... more important that that, if you are Mafia, can you please try and teach Rand to stop confessing to being Mafia ...

 

This Ithi/Des thing smells. Thinking one or more of you is scum. Also thinking Rand is scum.

 

OK, so it wasn't just a random vote then. Can you tell me why?

 

Rand isn't denying it, see? He just wants to know how Wombat figured it out so quickly. Perhaps it was because when I asked him if he was Mafia earlier on in the game he just laughed and again didn't deny it. It is becoming something of a handicap to the Mafia to have Rand on their team I think. I bet they all groaned when they saw his name appear.

 

Unvote - Vote Rand

 

I'm a bit wary of Nolder now, for voting Wombat straight after the exchange of posts between Wombat and Rand.

 

This was a stretch, asking why someone voted for me doesn't mean that I am admitting that I am mafia, looks here like you are just trying to vote whoever you can, along with the whole Nolder thing with setting up backups so you can say, "Oh, I suspected him here before."

Seriously ... lol

 

But very fast response, almost as though you had been watching for it. I think it is because you are a basically nice person who finds it difficult to fib. You still haven't denied it. Are your team discussing whether it would be better to just bus you now?

 

This is a huge stretch. So we are on DM at the same time and I finish up my trip in one SG and I check the DM main board and see that someone responded to the game and I look at it. How in any way does that make me scummy? This was a huge stretch, seems like she likes to use those a lot.

OMGUS no. 2

 

 

And you say I'm being weak.

 

First of all, this was my first, and going by someones (forgot who said this) definition, OMGUS is when you don't give the reason why you are voting for them, I gave legitimate reasons.

I am trying, but apparently it makes me far too Mafioso. Maybe I should lurk more

 

Yes, I know this is sarcasm, but still saying this makes you look more mafia, small point, but still a point.

Well at least I've accused someone. I guess I could just sit back and watch all the fun and games instead.

 

 

I've voted for two people for legitimate reasons, from my reasoning at least. If you are Town and voting me then you would be better off looking elsewhere, if you are Mafia it's all good.

 

I'm basically getting voted for just for playing the game. Lurking seems to be the best way to survive these days, or following other people's arguments so that you don't stand out from the crowd too much.

 

Huge one in my view.

 

Bold: Right here, I read this as saying that if you are town, then don't vote for me and get off.

 

Italics: Here I read it as if you don't get off my train and stop looking at me, then you are mafia. This is very mafia like, huge reason in my original vote.

No.

 

I voted for Despo because he made a non content post without a vote, which is unlike him. It seemed like an 'I'm here honest' post. The lack of an initial vote also made me feel he wasn't voting because he did not want to draw attention to himself. This felt like a Mafia tell to me so I voted him.

 

Then Rand didn't deny being on the mafia team twice, he has a history of giving himself away by doing things like that, so I changed my vote for him.

 

I am sorry I am trying to find mafia though, and hopefully get them lynched. Perhaps you would prefer me to say I'm not voting for anyone, or limp onto another person's vote with no reasoning of my own. I don't intend to do that however, I prefer to actually play than watch. That is the whole point isn't it?

 

Ithi, as I said before, asking someone why they voted for them doesn't mean they are mafia, and saying that you are not mafia on every post does not make you any less mafia either.

This is a basic game. There shouldn't really be any 3rd party.

 

Yet there was one in your first game, it is in the basic setup model that DPR put in, it has been put in many other games besides, and BG said in the beginning thread that 95% roles would be normal but he has some diversity. This is definitely skimming or not remembering this on purpose.

I did actually get killed by a Serial Killer in my first ever game ... that was a Basic one too. I'm not a Serial Killer though.

 

Rand you make me laugh ... it was you who voted for me because I voted for you. I already thought you were mafia lol. Please try and keep your various arguments straight in your head. It is best to keep things simple, have you not realised by now that when you try and get all complicated with things you generally stuff it up completely.

 

I think there are five people voting for me at present ... I bet you at least one of them is Mafia. I think you know better than me though, maybe there are more

 

Here you admit to playing with a serial killer. Then you talk about me voting for you because you voted for me, which is clearly not the case as I defined way before. And out of 5 people voting for you, one of them is mafia. I was told this in a previous game, but that is obvious since at least one mafia will go onto the leading train.

 

In conclusion, there have been a lot of things that Ithi has done that are scummy, but the case on Lily is bigger IMO. I think I am going to vote Lily for now, but Ithi is way up there on the list and if Lily is town, then I feel very suspicious about you Ithi.

 

Now to move onto part 2.

[Ithillian Turambar]

It makes no difference to me what you do Lily. If i get lynched today - Hopefully they will take you down tomorrow.

[RandA lThor]

Oh no ... I jumped onto Rand because I thought he had messed up and outed himself, as he often does. So more opportunistic than Flailing perhaps. I still am wary of Despo for his petty vote back at me and the reasons I initially gave.

 

Rand hasn't done anything since I voted him to convince me that he isn't Mafia.

 

Also, catching up from a week off work today, so I don't know if I will be able to be about much.

 

Thought? So you don't think this any more? Then what does convincing have to do if you don't think that any more.

I apologise for forgetting and then remembering, when prompted, something that happened in my first ever game over a year ago.

 

Yeah, but your first game is like your... first game. And also, it's not just that but DPR's general setup and multitude of other games plus what BG said in the OP.

Sorry. When I get home I don't have much time to play, especially when I have a million and one other things to look after here and Boggle to play. I would love to see my meek posts though ... any quotes for me?

 

Lily and Despo are so working together. Lily is still prodding votes my way. Despo is finding an alternative to switch to just in case. Rand's formulaic 'scummy scummy scummy' is still weak. What else do you want me to say? None of them will shift their votes unless it looks like they won't get a lynch through. It is all very entertaining to watch though. I have been reading the emails as they pop up on my phone.

 

I love how you keep saying that I say scummy scummy scummy. I put up a legitimate case that you completely ignore and you just keep going around saying random things that you think will get people to move off your train.

Right about what exactly?

 

If you are both Mafia, you are being ridiculous I will grant you, because you really shouldn't tie yourself together so tightly and so obviously. Maybe you genuinely think you are being clever here.

 

I do fail to see what amazing insights you have on me though, apart from I play the game hard and don't sit back and simper.

 

Then why do you keep saying that you think they are both mafia?

I'm sure there are a number of people who are Mafia in this game though. Should I not be trying to find them and be suspicious. I think also your asseration that I was trying to divert attention from myself is possibly the most ridiculous thing I have heard you say so far. I had no attention from anyone when I began to play. I could have just kept quiet and kept that level of no attention. Instead I chose to point out two players and possible links to them. I'm sure you do like your vote. It required very little thought on your part, and you can blame everyone else when I die.

 

I'm not Mafia, Lily. You can continue with your lazy arguments, prodding and tunnelling ... perhaps you can say I am scummy some more. That's always a valid and completely well thought out reason. Rand does it really well - but it is gone midnight and I still haven't finished half the stuff I needed to do today.

 

Night night

 

Actually, people who don't say anything often get killed by vigs and town for being inactive. So you might have been doing the safer thing by doing something, and then when people accused you you became more active. However, with the meta I have on you, you are active in all all games, so this is a very small point.

Have you seriously never thought of editing quotes to just show the pertinent information?

 

I agree that lynching me won't be a total waste, because at the moment we are playing mostly blind - there is always valuable information gained from a Lynch. It will be a Town lynch however and not a Mafia. I'd rather lynch a Mafia though and play a little bit longer myself.

 

I think Rand may have been told to 'shut up' by his team. I still don't like Despo either, but then I've never liked him. I still don't like his empty post and am considering checking all the day one posts of his most recent games here on DM to see if he always made an initial vote or not, because I'm sure he usually does. I think Lily either piped up because my attention went to Rand and she is covering for him by buddying up to Despo, or I was just an easy target.

 

In the meantime I would like to share this:

 

Ithillian 29 RandA lThor 29 LilyElizabeth 23 Despothera 20 bgrishinko 20 Tiinker 19 WWWwombat 13 peacesells 11 Graendals favourite 11 wheeloftime13 10 Nolder 10 Eternal Phoenix 10 Sakaea 8 Misheru Sedai 7 Darthe 7 John Snow 4 Thorum 3 Nightstrike 3 Alanna 2 lolguy26 1 Turin Turambar 1

 

 

Do we think the Mafia are the top posters, or the lurkers in this game? I'm mentioning this because I can't just keep repeating my initial thoughts, that is very dull indeed. I will exclude Turin, who is new in just last night, but there are some seriously lurky posters in this game. I wonder who will pop up first.

 

So basically the three most active people after you are somewhat scummy, but then you say we should look at lurkers and see what we should do about them. Basically you cover all extremes except yourself, again trying to get everything.

I don't like Wombat's switch either on top of the fact he never answered my question on why he thought Mish needed particular scrutiny. Des mentions it and Womby is all like "I could go with you as well" (obviously paraphrased)

 

 

vote Wombat

 

Didn't you want to vote for Wombat on your first post? What made you decide it was actually worth voting him just a few moments later?

 

To me, this is reaching a lot. Why did he vote on the next post instead of the one he was writing in? I can think of 5 legitimate common explanations right now.

 

1. He accidentally clicked submit.

2. He forgot about it.

3. He had to check if he had unvoted.

4. He wanted to check if any other posts were made and if those would make a difference.

5. He is EP.

 

So yeah, I still think Lily is looking worse than you currently, vote Lily, but you are also pretty scummy and if Lily is town, then that makes me more sure that you are mafia.

[Turin Turambar]

Catching back up and giving a few thoughts.

 

Ithi, very impressive WoT. Despo should be impressed. It made more sense than most of his ever do.

 

I didn't ever see you as flailing more like making cases on people that had done things that drew attention. Despo is always an attention magnet by his own admission. Rand made what looked like a slip but he can have some difficulty saying what he means as either town or mafia. The case on Lily is impressive. The biggest part was the part about you deflecting when you had no real votes if I remeber right.(Kae's was a true joke vote then) Her reactions since you started working her have been less than convincing.

 

I can also add that the "new more in your face" Ithi has been around for several games now. Ever since she modded her EPIC Sith game she has been a mafia killing machine. EarthBound, Labyryth, Pokemon 1, Final Fantasy. all town that hunted very effectively. Despo, you were in the EarthBound game you remember that don't you?

 

This looks like the best case of the day.

 

Vote Lily

[RandA lThor]

MY FIRST WoT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Turin Turambar]

Congrats Rand!!

[michellem]

 

 

For someone who claims to have been only in one other basic mafia game at the WT where people apparently "didn't know what they were doing" (:p) this seems to be a pretty bold statement. Or did someone mention something like that on your qt?

 

I have been reading on wikias, and discussions on strategies was made in that other game, I know of things like WIFOM and never trust anything anyone does or says... Note; I did not say "they didn't know what they were doing", those weren't my words. There were some experienced players in that game, like Ishy and Basel.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Well done Rand. It has aken me over a year to do my first one.

 

Also yay ... hello mine stalker Lovely Turin It is very nice to be awake at the same time as you for once. I should warn you I have had a very large glass of wine and may be prone to impromtu and opportunistic huggles.

 

Also ... thank you for agreeing with me about the lily thing. I feel much better now you are here. You are a very logical man.

 

:nods:

[Ithillian Turambar]

Also ... I've never read DPR's guide. When i did my Mafia game I just spoke to him direct about it. he is good like that.

[Turin Turambar]

*opportunisticly huggles*

 

Glad that work wasn't overlong today.

[Ithillian Turambar]

I wasn't at work today actually - I was looking after monkeys in the morning ... we went to the park and then I had a McDonalds!! and then in the afternoon I had a lovely argument with my insurance company - which i won of course and forced them to waive the massive short term charges for cancelling my car insurance with them saving me £175.

 

[michellem]

After reading trough the WoTs posted so far, and the reactions to them, my thoughts are: Both Ithi and Lily are acting in ways that are suspicious. But I also think the case on Lily is the strongest. I haven't played with either, so I don't know anything about either's usual style (wich right now I think is an advantage; makes looking at things objectivly a bit easier I think). Lily pings strongest on my BS-meter right now.

 

Vote Lily

 

I'll be going to bed, see ya'll in the morning.

[hazelkrs1]

Tbh, don't take this the wrong way Ithi, but I found your case on Lily a little weak. It was mainly centered around the way she had come at you, and of course you would try to paint those kind of posts as scummy so as to make yourself look cleaner. You did make a couple of good points, such as the fact that she did seem to use the word scum a lot (which Wombat pointed out about Rand earlier), but a couple of other points were way off base. Your "pot vs. kettle" argument for instance, was really just wrong. Lily had given reasons for voting you, despite the fact that they might not have met your standards.

 

And Rand's last couple of posts stink to high heaven. He spends two WoT's casing Ithi, and there HAVE been some odd things about Ithi's behavior this game, only to then vote Lily (oh and btw he voted her in each of his WoT posts). Seems that he's making it seem like Lily or Ithi HAS to be scum, so that if Lily flips town he can then switch to Ithi easily tomorrow.

 

Unvote, Vote Rand

 

Oh and yes, I was in the Earthbound game, and yes, Ithi took out scum left and right, but that was all with her ABILITIES. I don't remember her leading tons of scum lynches in that game. Not trying to downplay her effectiveness that game, just saying that I wouldn't agree that she was nearly as aggressive scumhunting as she has been this game. Another game I saw her being fairly aggressive, but it wasn't right off the bat like this game, and she was a LD anyways, so it benefited her to pressure as many people and get statements from them to LD.

 

Oh and Turin why are you so sure of Ithi's alignment? You're attempting to use all kinds of meta to clear her, yet you don't really spend much time on the stuff that happened THIS game. I agree that she wasn't flailing all over the place like Lily said, but there have been other odd things of note about her play.

[RandA lThor]

Tbh, don't take this the wrong way Ithi, but I found your case on Lily a little weak. It was mainly centered around the way she had come at you, and of course you would try to paint those kind of posts as scummy so as to make yourself look cleaner. You did make a couple of good points, such as the fact that she did seem to use the word scum a lot (which Wombat pointed out about Rand earlier), but a couple of other points were way off base. Your "pot vs. kettle" argument for instance, was really just wrong. Lily had given reasons for voting you, despite the fact that they might not have met your standards.

 

And Rand's last couple of posts stink to high heaven. He spends two WoT's casing Ithi, and there HAVE been some odd things about Ithi's behavior this game, only to then vote Lily (oh and btw he voted her in each of his WoT posts). Seems that he's making it seem like Lily or Ithi HAS to be scum, so that if Lily flips town he can then switch to Ithi easily tomorrow.

 

Unvote, Vote Rand

 

Oh and yes, I was in the Earthbound game, and yes, Ithi took out scum left and right, but that was all with her ABILITIES. I don't remember her leading tons of scum lynches in that game. Not trying to downplay her effectiveness that game, just saying that I wouldn't agree that she was nearly as aggressive scumhunting as she has been this game. Another game I saw her being fairly aggressive, but it wasn't right off the bat like this game, and she was a LD anyways, so it benefited her to pressure as many people and get statements from them to LD.

 

Oh and Turin why are you so sure of Ithi's alignment? You're attempting to use all kinds of meta to clear her, yet you don't really spend much time on the stuff that happened THIS game. I agree that she wasn't flailing all over the place like Lily said, but there have been other odd things of note about her play.

 

First of all, I said before if you weren't reading that I was going to case Ithi so I could compare the two cases, which is why I voted for Lily after comparing the cases. And I voted for Lily in both? Weird. I need to do homework soon so will be gone in a little bit.

[Darthe]

Lily could be mafia but I still feel that Ithi is playing a scummier game... However Rand has completely baffled me at this point. How much more anti-town can you get that a WoT all about Ithi with a thrown in vote for LILY at the end? It has no information on why he thinks she is scummy besides that he thinks she looks worse, but if she is town he is going Ithi.. For that reason Unvote Vote Rand. Setting up lynches like a newb

[RandA lThor]

Ithi's already done a case on Lily, so I think I might do a case on Ithi since she is also on my list, and then I could use that to compare to what Lily's case was.

 

Prepare for....

 

MY FIRST EVER WoT!!!!

 

Sorry, I am really excited. :)

 

Do you guys read what I say? I said I was creating a WoT on Ithi so I could compare it to the one on Lily and then decide who was scummier.

[wheeloftime13]

What does WoT mean?

[RandA lThor]

Wall of Text

[Ironeyes]

My first ever...

Official Vote Count:

 

 

Rand(6): Wombat, GF, Nightstrike, Nolder, Despo, Darthe

Lily(5): Peace, Ithi, Rand, Turin, Misheru

Ithi(2): Kae, Lily

Wombat(1): EP

Despo(1): Tiinker

Kae(1): JohnSnow

Tiinker(1): Lulz

Misheru(1): Thorum

 

Not Voting (2): Alanna, Wot13

 

With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Wednesday @ Noon CT, in about 15 hours or so.

 

http://timeanddate.c...04&msg=Deadline

[Ironeyes]

That deadline's coming up fast... I would consolidate if I were you. You won't like it if there is no lynch.

[RandA lThor]

My first ever...

Official Vote Count:

 

 

Rand(6): Wombat, GF, Nightstrike, Nolder, Despo, Darthe

Lily(5): Peace, Ithi, Rand, Turin, Misheru

Ithi(2): Kae, Lily

Wombat(1): EP

Despo(1): Tiinker

Kae(1): JohnSnow

Tiinker(1): Lulz

Misheru(1): Thorum

 

Not Voting (2): Alanna, Wot13

 

With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

 

Deadline is Wednesday @ Noon CT, in about 15 hours or so.

 

http://timeanddate.c...04&msg=Deadline

 

Firstly, congrats.

 

Next, at this point, the lynch is probably going to be either Lily or I. Let me point out that the last votes were done because they didn't read something that I pointed out. My train is currently does not even have legitimate votes right now.