Pokemon Mafia II: Return to Heart Island--GAME OVER--TEAM ROCKET WIN

[MattheHat]

And I'm just gonna leave my vote on BG for the mo...

[Gabriel Kross]

I wasn't defending, just telling him to come and give us a reason, aka defending himself as he's a newbie...! If he fails to do that, he's definetly scum...

 

That's not what I was talking about.

[Gabriel Kross]

"Maby he just wasn't round, but it is suspect, true..."

 

subtle defense of me. I don't need defending, even though your statement was completely invalid.

[hazelkrs1]

I'm not really liking tthe quick build up on lolguy here. I know I originally fos'd him, but imo too many people are jumping on that bandwagon too quickly, and I haven't seen him post again since then so I don't know how he could be being evasive as Basel put it. In fact, I saw Basel try to use the same tactic as scum recently in another game, say someone was dodging or being evasive when they just hadn't posted in a while.

 

Well I chose niel because of ......

 

Despo, this might make a lot more sense if he had simply voted and then not posted at all since then. But when he was pressed for a reason, he did post, and avoided giving any explanation. In fact, it looks like he made a point of not giving any explanation. This post by him certainly seems evasive as far as I can tell.

 

Eh I really wouldn't call it evasive per se, but I can see what you mean. And I had seen that before, I just assumed you meant he was being evasive because he hadn't returned to the thread yet.

 

... I know. which is why I'm fos'ing EP for not removing his vote after being told about that

 

Maby he just wasn't round, but it is suspect, true...

 

That thing with Lolguy on Niel + 0 reason is also though and I'm leaning more to voting on him for day one...

 

Lolguy! Come and save yourself! ...

 

what? I posted right after Rand basically saying I was going to keep it there for the time... if you are going to try this tactic atleast don't fail at it. unvote vote Matty

 

That is a good point, even tho I don't like how you didn't remove your vote right after, it does kinda seem like Matty is trying to defend you while still making you look scummy. Altho... that kinda seems like too good of a play for a relatively new player. Sorry Matty.

 

Unvote for now. I still don't want to get lolguy lynched in his first day, but he def needs to come back and explain himself. AH, would you be able to poke him for us please?

[Niel an' Tyomn]

"Maby he just wasn't round, but it is suspect, true..."

 

subtle defense of me. I don't need defending, even though your statement was completely invalid.

 

He's been around DM on other places... even here on the BT

[Turin Turambar]

Turin wanting to lynch me >_>? That is what I remember most from that first game.

What I remember us that you ended up being mafia also.

 

And you started out with an immediate OMGUS here again. Interesting. Remember all votes are cast for a purpose.

He left out WIFOM spreadery even when modding.

 

Taltos, I was just pointing out that you were in fact mafia in that game. It is the job of the town to lynch the mafia. I haven't even voted for you, just noted the facts. Like Matty jumping in with an immediate vote and then flipping in his own OMGUS moment.

 

So, I'm slightly bothered so far by Turin's start to this game. It kinda seems like he's trying to use townie cred from a previous game to lay tracks for him to be a town leader this game. The manner in which he fos'd Taltos at the start of the game, and the way he brought up how he caught Taltos as scum last game really stands out. Turin is a good scumhunter, he shouldn't have to bring up last game to try and point out odd behavior from someone.

 

Watching him carefully right now.

I called him out because the main thing he remembered was that I was trying to lynch him. He WAS MAFIA and had been leaving mafia signs all over( OMGUS, bandwagonning, defensiveness) That he started this game with an OMGUS which has not been moved, and was fairly defensive when I noted it without voting makes me more curious. that you are defending a little bit but only to the point that you can easily turn around and buss him if required is even more troubling. As is the fact that he is being quiet, not making any cases. I know that it hard for newer mafia players to make cases when they know that the cases are bogus. I have some trouble with it still. I would have been in a lot of trouble in GoT if the 3rd party hadn't showed up at just the right time to give me someone I could effectively case.

 

I am not trying in any way to use previous town flips to vett myself here. Each game is its own. but people are the same in things they will do. I actually have a little time this weekend so am playing more. your casting mild suspicion is troubling.

 

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Despo, I believe flail was a reference to a mafia member under pressure lashing out all over the place. Not a real part of Pokemon canon. Of course I know very little about Pokemon so I am just playing mafia here. I just thought it odd he would say that all he remembered was my wanting to lynch him. He was mafia. Of course I wanted to lynch him. I was trying to help him learn the whole time too. I still think he can be a very good player. His actions had been similar to those last game so I noted it.

 

I am happy that you are not getting a pure town read on me. Maybe it is just an attempt to see mafioso behavior in what I do cause I read town to you according to your admission. Or maybe you are his more experienced teammate and helping him out by keeping him calm on his QT and casting doubt on me.

 

lolguy is channeling his inner wombat

 

I'll admit that I am trying to look out more for your scumtells in games, the last two times you were scum you had me pretty much fooled the entire time (even in the GoT game I had a town read on you before I was recruited ).

 

But I still am worried that you have faintly fos'd a couple of players now, without casting votes. And don't you think it's a little early to say that Taltos' actions are similar to last game? He's posted like, 4 times now? Jumping the gun a bit, are we?

 

Also, lol @ me coming to the defense of a teammate as scum. You should know that my policy is always to bus at the first sign of trouble

 

From what I can tell, you have to be a slippery little...uh, liar (pg-13) or not mind lying to be good at this game, which I am neither, so I am never going to be good at it and proudly so .

 

You also have to be able to lie very well as an actor, and there's nothing shady about acting. Just look at this as a play or something, and play your part the best you can

 

(oh and btw, defensiveness is usually a pretty good scumtell, so unless you wanna start getting strung up by Turin again, I say you just blow it off and case who you think might be scum. Unless you really are scum, in which case disregard, and watch out for teh boogeyman! Rawr!)

 

Well I chose niel because of ......

 

 

Eh?

 

I really wish it wasn't frowned upon to lynch first timers on day 1, cause right now you're kinda acting uberscummy

More questioning my motives. fair enough to be suspicious as no one is town until proven. I am just looking at what I see. His behavior matches what he exhibited as a mafia member in the first game. It is D1 and not much is going on. He is now being quiet perhaps at his teams request hoping that since it is only me so far it will blow over. Then you give him a bit of advice to make it look like you didn't already tell him that in your QT. adding the joke at the end in pure Despo style.

 

Then another shot at lolguy. put the light on someone else.

 

 

Man, I was kinda expecting a bit more spam from this game after what AH kept goin on about. Not complaining tho, just kind of weird lol.

 

I'm not really liking tthe quick build up on lolguy here. I know I originally fos'd him, but imo too many people are jumping on that bandwagon too quickly, and I haven't seen him post again since then so I don't know how he could be being evasive as Basel put it. In fact, I saw Basel try to use the same tactic as scum recently in another game, say someone was dodging or being evasive when they just hadn't posted in a while.

 

Another thing that stood out to me:

 

I just realized that the last game I played, and this one, have four mafia. Random thought.

 

 

So, those of you who've played the games, what starter type do you usually pick? I like the fire starters for some reason. Never picked grass, and water once.

 

 

Um kinda a BIG slip here how did no one call Sunrise out for knowing how many mafia are in this game, he out right says there are 4. All emphasis mine.

Vote Sunrise

 

*puts paw in mouth*

EP, read the scene again.

I rarely read opening scenes death scenes are more entertaining. *cries for caterpie and psyduck*

 

Plus who is to say that the OP is telling the truth? Anyways I think I will poke Sunrise with a stick until he admits to being scum.

 

Why would EP leave his vote on Sunrise after being told that he had missed the OP which told us there were 4 scum? Scummy move imo.

 

This also seemed completely bizarre to me:

 

Well I chose niel because of ......

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Explain properly please. It's not the done thing to lynch new players on D1 but saying things like that is likely to see that set aside

 

Yeah, this is pinging me a lot. If not Day 1, Day 2 you are looking like a viable lynch, lolguy.

If you're town, please try to do townie things, like scumhunt. If you're scum, please keep acting like such and make town's job easier

 

Which means you're town...

 

First Matty clears John on just bizarre reasoning (I'm not saying I think John is scum yet, but Matty should never have thought that post was worth claiming that John was town from), and then after EP tells him "Not necessarily", Matty responds with:

 

If he's not just acting like it ofcourse...

 

FoS...

 

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Why would he clear John them immediately FOS him? Or perhaps he doesn't quite understand how the fos thing works... /shrug

 

So far I'm wary of Turin, although tbh that was kind of a faint read on him, even for day 1, Basel, and EP. Sorry Basel, but I'm gonna use meta on this one.

 

Here you vote Basel because you saw him use this tactic in an earlier game? Saying that someone that made a vote with no real reason was being evasive when asked for said reason. This smacks of just picking a random thing on a random person and seeing if it gets traction. Any lynch will do as long as it isn't your team. curious.

I'm not really liking tthe quick build up on lolguy here. I know I originally fos'd him, but imo too many people are jumping on that bandwagon too quickly, and I haven't seen him post again since then so I don't know how he could be being evasive as Basel put it. In fact, I saw Basel try to use the same tactic as scum recently in another game, say someone was dodging or being evasive when they just hadn't posted in a while.

 

Well I chose niel because of ......

 

Despo, this might make a lot more sense if he had simply voted and then not posted at all since then. But when he was pressed for a reason, he did post, and avoided giving any explanation. In fact, it looks like he made a point of not giving any explanation. This post by him certainly seems evasive as far as I can tell.

 

Eh I really wouldn't call it evasive per se, but I can see what you mean. And I had seen that before, I just assumed you meant he was being evasive because he hadn't returned to the thread yet.

 

... I know. which is why I'm fos'ing EP for not removing his vote after being told about that

 

Maby he just wasn't round, but it is suspect, true...

 

That thing with Lolguy on Niel + 0 reason is also though and I'm leaning more to voting on him for day one...

 

Lolguy! Come and save yourself! ...

 

what? I posted right after Rand basically saying I was going to keep it there for the time... if you are going to try this tactic atleast don't fail at it. unvote vote Matty

 

That is a good point, even tho I don't like how you didn't remove your vote right after, it does kinda seem like Matty is trying to defend you while still making you look scummy. Altho... that kinda seems like too good of a play for a relatively new player. Sorry Matty.

 

Unvote for now. I still don't want to get lolguy lynched in his first day, but he def needs to come back and explain himself. AH, would you be able to poke him for us please?

No one bit on the Basel redirect so pull it back and cast suspicion on lolguy. Setting him up for later as a fallback D1 lynch( I really don't want to lynch the new guy but...) or an easy D2 lynch as the work will have been done today. Very much in line with mafia Despo. lol could even be mafia. as Despo says himself he is a big fan of bussing his teammates to look townie.

curiouser.

Hmmmm..... Where IS everybody? What happened to my active BT players? *pout*

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

Taltos (0): Matty

Matty (3): Taltos, BG, Firebird

Snowy (1): RandA,

Firebird (0): Volke

BG (1): Matty

Niel (1): Chuckles

Chuckles (2): Niel, Basel

Sunshine (0): Firebird

 

Not voting: everyone else

 

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch

 

Deadline is August 20th, 5 PM EST.

So Taltos OMGUS'd Matty, BG voted Matty for slinking into the shadows, EP voted Matty for defending him or buddying up if you will.

RandA "joke" voted JohnSnow because it is hot in Cali.

Matty OMGUS'd BG after "joke" voting Taltos

lolguy voted Niel with no reason after he had already failed to "joke" voted Matty due to lack of bold.

Niel waits and then OMGUS'd lolguy when it looks like everyone is suspicious but are lean towards the D1 noob pass. basel joins that train for lack of explanation.

 

not a lot to go on yet. I am suspicious of Taltos for his actions being similar to a time he was mafia. I am suspicious of Matty for his actions already noted and for his seming buddying to EP. I am somewhat suspicious of Basel for placing that second vote on lolguy. Mostly I am suspicious of Despo for his apparent defense of Taltos, his seeming setup of lolguy and his half hearted case of Matty.

 

Matty, how many games have you played?

Basel, If you give lolguy a pass today who are you interested in lynching?

Taltos, if not Matty then who would you like to lynch?

 

Vote Despo.

[Guest]

You because you are so full of it, it is not even funny, jumping on me just because I was mafia in a completely different game.

 

Unvote

 

Vote Turin

[lolguy26]

ok guys i only voted because people still hadn't started and i voted for niel coz he's above me ( he's #4 and im #5 ) and for not leaving a reason i did that as a joke and i guess that started a riot ok for everyone's sake unvote niel

 

 

i mean geez all this for a random vote

[Basel Gill]

Matty, how many games have you played?

Basel, If you give lolguy a pass today who are you interested in lynching?

 

I'm not fully sure who I would vote for, but I don't trust the train on Matty. And I think Matty is in his first game, but I'm not sure.

[Basel Gill]

Unvote lolguy. I'm not fully convinced you're town, but you were pressed for an explanation, and you gave one. And you have the newbie card on your side (which only works with people in your first game, by the way). That's good enough to at least give you till the next day and see if you can either prove yourself or slip up further.

[Niel an' Tyomn]

Nothing personal but unvote vote Matty, at the very least I'd like to know what pokemon he is and it's role and alignment... I feel the train here is on to something.

[MattheHat]

@Despo, this is my first... I have played 1 in RL but that was ages ago...

[MattheHat]

Nothing personal but unvote vote Matty, at the very least I'd like to know what pokemon he is and it's role and alignment... I feel the train here is on to something.

 

It is, is it? Fine, I'm Chinchou!

[Niel an' Tyomn]

Alignment and Role please.

[Niel an' Tyomn]

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Chinchou_(Pok%C3%A9mon)

 

Chinchou is here ... Looks unscummy to me! Any counterclaims???

[MattheHat]

Exactly! Me unscummy! ...

[MattheHat]

*waddles around and flashes... lights >.>*

[Niel an' Tyomn]

Any special powers or are you a vanilla?

[Niel an' Tyomn]

I will wait for any counterclaims ...

[MattheHat]

None that I am aware of... I can flash my lights though!

[Turin Turambar]

Nothing personal but unvote vote Matty, at the very least I'd like to know what pokemon he is and it's role and alignment... I feel the train here is on to something.

 

After his previous OMGUS vote on lolguy this role/character fishing is not looking good. Maybe lolguy had it right in the begining. I still think Despo is our best bet but could go with a Niel lynch as well.

 

Taltos, no worries. If I am wrong I am wrong. I have been amazingly wrong about several things in previous games. You think I am mafia because I am wrong about you? Or is there something else that leads you to believe I am mafia?

[Sunrise Lord]

I've always found it ironic that Chinchou is both Electric and Water types.

 

 

Sorry guys, it's a busy weekend; babysitting le toddler cousin. I'll be more active starting Monday.

[Niel an' Tyomn]

Lol Sunny

[Niel an' Tyomn]

Nothing personal but unvote vote Matty, at the very least I'd like to know what pokemon he is and it's role and alignment... I feel the train here is on to something.

 

After his previous OMGUS vote on lolguy this role/character fishing is not looking good. Maybe lolguy had it right in the begining. I still think Despo is our best bet but could go with a Niel lynch as well.

 

Taltos, no worries. If I am wrong I am wrong. I have been amazingly wrong about several things in previous games. You think I am mafia because I am wrong about you? Or is there something else that leads you to believe I am mafia?

 

At Turin ... I agreed with his statement about random voting previously and Matty has been (even for a newbie) acting suspicious ... Besides it never hurts to know someone's role, character and alignment.

[MattheHat]

Unvote as this is getting a little 'fusing for me... I shall wait till the next vote count...