There Goes the Neighborhood (Game Thread) - GAME OVER MAFIA WIN

[Razen]

I've been analyzing voting patterns starting at Day 1 and analyzing who voted where and when on which trains. And I'm finally caught up to this point. This is by no means perfect, but it's got most of the voting up to this point.

 

Day 1

Ishy (0) – Songstress, Darthe

Piano (0) - Ironeyes, EP

Ironeyes (0) - Piano

EP (0) – Peace, Mynd 1.0, BG, Nyn, Mynd 1.0

Nae (0) – Tina, Nyn

Key (0) - Ishy

Nyn (0) – Razen, Nolder, Hoof, Tina, Mynd 1.0

AH (0) – BG, Ishy

Tina (0) – BG, Lenlo

Arez (0) – Darthe, BG

Limi (0) – Sakaea

BG (0) – Limi, EP

Sakaea (0) – Ishy

Mynd 1.0 (6) – EP, Nolder, Basel, Arez, Ironeyes, Nae, Darthe, Peace, Tina, EP, Limi, Blackhoof

Nolder (13) – Mynd 1.0, Darthe, BG, Songstress, Ironeyes, Razen, Kaylee, Sakaea, Nyn, Limi, Lenlo, Key, Ironeyes, Piano

Blackhoof (2) – Peace, Sakaea, Basel

 

 

Day 2

Ishy (1) – AH, Blackhoof, Nae

Limi (0) – Peace, Peace, Peace

Blackhoof (3) – Basel, Sakaea, Key

Arez (0) – Darthe

Darthe (0) – Tina, Nyn, Peace, Key, Razen, Blackhoof, Piano

Peace (12) – Ironeyes, AH, Razen, Ironeyes, Darthe, Mynd 2.0, Arez, BG, Songstress, Nyn, Kaylee, Tina, Limi | Key, Lenlo

Piano (1) – Tina, Songstress

 

 

Day 3

Mynd 2.0 (0) - BG

Darthe (1) – BG, Mynd 2.0, Razen, AH

Limi (7) – Sakaea, Mynd 2.0, Basel, Ironeyes, Arez, Key, Blackhoof, Razen, Piano, BG

Key (1) – Mynd 2.0, BG

Piano (1) – Mynd 2.0

 

Now to explain the color coding.

Red is for the Italian Mafia team

Orange is for the Kings of MC team

Purple is Darthe, as he has claimed finder

Green is town

Pink is for Limi, as she has been viewed by Darthe & is claimed to be vanilla town.

 

Now for analysis.

BG has been all over the place, quite literally.

 

At the end of day 1, the only voters to not align themselves with either the Mynd 1.0 or Nolder trains were Peace and Basel. We know now that both Mynd 1.0 and Nolder were town. We know Peace flipped scum. Did Basel have similar knowledge?

 

Up to this point, Piano has been on the tail end of all the trains he has hopped onto.

 

That's the big three things that I have gathered up to this point. I want to reexamine this list later once I've got a clear head and see if anything else sticks out to me. But for now, unvote, vote: BG. That comment about grasping for straws to find scum is downright wrong.

[John E. Kelley]

Its Mafia. Grasping at straws is how scum reveal themselves as scum.. I just thought it interesting it was the post literally RIGHT before your post and you didn't notice it.

 

Um.....no.

 

Fixed that for you.

[bgrishinko]

Take it how you want. But I say one man's straws are another man's scum tells.

[SBoydW]

Limi (6) - Kae, Basel, iron, Key, Hoof, Player

Darthe (1) - Aiel Heart

Piano (1) - Mynd

Key (1) - BG

BG (1) - Razen

 

19 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeandda...in=&sec=&p0=412

[Myndrunner]

Take it how you want. But I say one man's straws are another man's scum tells.

 

Yeah, and two in the bush is better than pie in the sky!

 

unvote

 

vote BG

[keyholder21]

I just thought it interesting it was the post literally RIGHT before your post and you didn't notice it.

 

It's not literally RIGHT before my post - there are two posts in between. Also, how long before that had it been since I'd posted? Awhile, so pardon me for it not drawing my attention at first while I was I catching up to the game but instead upon my reread when I was looking more in depth.

 

Also, you waiting to state the part about it being "literally RIGHT" before my post sounds like you were waiting for my response and trying to set me up to look scummier after I responded. Why the need to bait?

 

Additionally, it's not that you "just find it interesting". You claim it's interesting enough to vote for me for it. That's quite different than just finding it interesting.

 

Its Mafia. Grasping at straws is how you find scum. I just thought it interesting it was the post literally RIGHT before your post and you didn't notice it.

 

Um.....no.

 

Agreed.

 

unvote, vote BG.

[bgrishinko]

Okay then Mynd. Do as you said and look at the past 3 days worth of voting, look at who was scum. Build a case on me other than my recent comment which apparently doesn't sit well with people. I took the time and effort to go back and look for things that seemed off about people that hadn't been brought up that may have flown under the radar... which you suggested we should do. Key felt I was grasping at straws, fine. I voted for her. She can say what she wants. I didn't think that my point was a bad one, so I made a comment that grasping at the straws was a how you find scum in reply to what Key said.

 

I've done nothing but search out scum since this game began and I'm searching now. I tried to make myself a target for a NK to avoid power roles getting hit. I've tried to pit the mafia against each other. So, please. Please tell me what it is you see about me that has been scummy.

[bgrishinko]

I just thought it interesting it was the post literally RIGHT before your post and you didn't notice it.

 

It's not literally RIGHT before my post - there are two posts in between. Also, how long before that had it been since I'd posted? Awhile, so pardon me for it not drawing my attention at first while I was I catching up to the game but instead upon my reread when I was looking more in depth.

 

Also, you waiting to state the part about it being "literally RIGHT" before my post sounds like you were waiting for my response and trying to set me up to look scummier after I responded. Why the need to bait?

 

Additionally, it's not that you "just find it interesting". You claim it's interesting enough to vote for me for it. That's quite different than just finding it interesting.

 

Its Mafia. Grasping at straws is how you find scum. I just thought it interesting it was the post literally RIGHT before your post and you didn't notice it.

 

Um.....no.

 

Agreed.

 

unvote, vote BG.

 

Alright, you are right, Nyn posted twice between to literally say "Grow Up" and then comment and then apologize for a double quote. Its all of 10 words. My bad. Still, I think my point still stands.

[Myndrunner]

Okay then Mynd. Do as you said and look at the past 3 days worth of voting, look at who was scum. Build a case on me other than my recent comment which apparently doesn't sit well with people. I took the time and effort to go back and look for things that seemed off about people that hadn't been brought up that may have flown under the radar... which you suggested we should do. Key felt I was grasping at straws, fine. I voted for her. She can say what she wants. I didn't think that my point was a bad one, so I made a comment that grasping at the straws was a how you find scum in reply to what Key said.

 

I've done nothing but search out scum since this game began and I'm searching now. I tried to make myself a target for a NK to avoid power roles getting hit. I've tried to pit the mafia against each other. So, please. Please tell me what it is you see about me that has been scummy.

 

Bullcrap, you bluffed a fake role back when you had the numbers, but now you are down. I've been suspicious of you since jump street because you friggen AGREED with me. My theory was bullshanks and I wanted to see who would go along with it. You cozied up to me just like a mafia who wants to avoid my casing. The only reason I didn't straight come after you earlier is that I caught some hints that you might be our healer. Based on your recent accusations, your erratic voting style, and overall aggressive play, you would be one foolish Doc or you are scum. You tried to pin Nyn's death on me when I didn't have a NK to begin with.

 

You believed I was capable of an NK with no second thought EVEN AFTER you bluffed a fake role yourself. Razen's Rezoning only clinches it for me.

[bgrishinko]

Okay then Mynd. Do as you said and look at the past 3 days worth of voting, look at who was scum. Build a case on me other than my recent comment which apparently doesn't sit well with people. I took the time and effort to go back and look for things that seemed off about people that hadn't been brought up that may have flown under the radar... which you suggested we should do. Key felt I was grasping at straws, fine. I voted for her. She can say what she wants. I didn't think that my point was a bad one, so I made a comment that grasping at the straws was a how you find scum in reply to what Key said.

 

I've done nothing but search out scum since this game began and I'm searching now. I tried to make myself a target for a NK to avoid power roles getting hit. I've tried to pit the mafia against each other. So, please. Please tell me what it is you see about me that has been scummy.

 

Bullcrap, you bluffed a fake role back when you had the numbers, but now you are down. I've been suspicious of you since jump street because you friggen AGREED with me. My theory was bullshanks and I wanted to see who would go along with it. You cozied up to me just like a mafia who wants to avoid my casing. The only reason I didn't straight come after you earlier is that I caught some hints that you might be our healer. Based on your recent accusations, your erratic voting style, and overall aggressive play, you would be one foolish Doc or you are scum. You tried to pin Nyn's death on me when I didn't have a NK to begin with.

 

You believed I was capable of an NK with no second thought EVEN AFTER you bluffed a fake role yourself. Razen's Rezoning only clinches it for me.

 

Pfff. Don't pull the "Mynd's 1.0 Bullshanks scheme draws in another one!" crap. Townie Mynd1.0 lead the lynch on Nolder because he thought it was utter bullshanks 100% and wasn't afraid to call you out on it, but that was your last persona. All of sudden, Mynd 2.0 calls 1.0's scheme to draw in people who would go along with it. If that was the case, WHY WOULD 1.0 VOTE NOLDER AND NOT STAY ON NYN OR ME? You even said you thought I was hinting Doc, which I was not, at least on purpose. Great casing there.

 

I do believe you could have been capable of NK, I still believe there is a chance you may have been responsible for Nyn's kill. Its excellent cover. I'm not going to risk a rogue SK. There could even be a 3rd scum team. There could be a SK. I don't know. But then you vanilla claimed, and made some remarks that sounded fairly towny. So I stepped off you for a bit. Whatever. Maybe I was wrong.

 

You are calling me out for recent allegations, which you don't have to agree with. You say I'm Erratic Voting but you have moved your vote 5 times today, me 4. You say I have overaggressive play. Mynd is calling me out for being over aggressive. Think about that. You seemed fine with my aggressiveness when I voted Darthe, then you figured Limi might be better based on similar logic. Then you changed your mind. We are dealing with at least 2 mafia teams here. Aggressive is the best way to play it as town. Both times I've been in multiple mafia games I was mafia, it was easy to lay seeds of distrust and then sit back and keep my team out of it while everyone else destroyed each other. Let town and mafia kill each other off and then your team wins by default without getting your hands too dirty. So playing it from the town side is a bit different, I'm going to look in all the cracks and dredge people out to play, even if people call my casings "straw".

[Darthe]

Hmm, well BG remains on my list but luckily or him I consider others to still be a larger potential threat.

[Lenlo]

Im just going to weigh in here for a moment and say I dont think we should lynch either Darthe or Limi. If he is telling the truth, and nothing is saying otherwise right now, then we are just lynching a townie. If he catches a scum we can test his claim on them with a pretty good chance at getting what we were aiming for.

 

I dont really see BG's case on Key and, to use his own words, it looks like he is grasping at straws on which one of us to go after today. Ive been reading everything that has been going on and right now BG is the best shot for today imo.

 

Vote BG

[SBoydW]

Limi (6) - Kae, Basel, iron, Key, Hoof, Player

BG (3) - Razen, Mynd, Lenlo

Darthe (1) - Aiel Heart

Key (1) - BG

 

 

19 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeandda...in=&sec=&p0=412

[Songstress]

Limi (6) - Kae, Basel, iron, Key, Hoof, Player

BG (3) - Razen, Mynd, Lenlo

Darthe (1) - Aiel Heart

Key (1) - BG

 

 

19 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeandda...in=&sec=&p0=412

 

FYI, Soy, you missed Key's vote switch to BG here

[bgrishinko]

Im just going to weigh in here for a moment and say I dont think we should lynch either Darthe or Limi. If he is telling the truth, and nothing is saying otherwise right now, then we are just lynching a townie. If he catches a scum we can test his claim on them with a pretty good chance at getting what we were aiming for.

 

I dont really see BG's case on Key and, to use his own words, it looks like he is grasping at straws on which one of us to go after today. Ive been reading everything that has been going on and right now BG is the best shot for today imo.

 

Vote BG

 

By the logic of only losing a vanilla townie, shouldn't Limi be the better choice as it would help validate Darthe's claim and give us more info all around? Or Darthe can view me tonight, if he's telling the truth, he'll see me as town, and you can lynch me to prove him a true finder if ya all don't believe me. I'd be more than willing to die if it gave the town info or protected a power role from a night kill, but I'm going to take issue here with getting lynched in a way that gives the rest of the town no info. We can't afford it in this type of game.

[Songstress]

Nice to be still alive, lol. Trying to figure out what to do with all this WIFOM... expect something longer this evening.

 

That's what he said, of course!

 

Has he been telling stories?

 

But I digress. Apologies for being late on this, yesterday evening included several things that sidetracked me from finishing this post.

 

As likely as it looked earlier, I don't think lynching Limi is the way to go either. Honestly, I think she's a victim of Peace's WIFOM, and lynching her will do very little to vet Darthe unless she flips mafia and something other than a Godfather/Godmother role. If she flips vanilla town, well, she said she would before he viewed her, and I think he'd be willing to play those odds if he is lying about his claim. After all, if he's lying about his claim, he's already taking a huge risk.

 

If we don't trust Darthe, it makes more sense to lynch Darthe, but that wouldn't necessarily vet Limi either, because of the potential Godfather thing. Frankly, as much as Darthe has been pinging (and continues to, I could build a heck of a wall of text on him) I'd really want to vote him. I mean, check this out - nobody even commented that in addition to all the other things Darthe has stated are involved in his role, N2 he was hinting at also being a bomb:

 

Oh, and just in case a man has a thought to remove one who searches for truth, let us just say that death is almost certainly a double edged sword. A man may be surprised to have the option to become 3.0 if he chooses the wrong path.

 

REALLY?

 

But I just can't get past the fact that a game this size and this complex without a cop role would be inconceivable, and if there was someone else out there who had that role, they'd have counterclaimed by now.

 

Limi hasn't raised my suspicions, and I don't see any way Darthe could get away with lying about his claim, so I'd prefer to stay away from either of them today.

 

Mynd was pushing a Player lynch a bit ago and I was definitely willing to vote him yesterday. Since my case on him and vote on him D2, he's been a bit more active at least, but Mynd has a very good point about his bandwagoning on lynch trains. I'm still willing to vote him, because I think we could get some very good information from his lynch about several people, but I'm being pinged even harder by someone else who seriously appears to be defending Player.

 

Although, to me the reasons for lynching Piano are not any better than the reasons for lynching Limi. Do you think the scum wouldn't tell Piano that he needs to increase his post count if he was following orders?

 

To me he seems like a lazy arse townie, based on the information you told me so far.

Yickes. I checked my own notes. Piano hasn't been very active at all for the first 26 pages.. Makes him more likely to be lazy townie than scum to be honest.

 

Panda here is characterizing Player as a lazy townie instead of scum, which is coincidentally how he's trying to characterize himself.

 

... Fine.. I guess I'll have to do a bloody re-read again to see what's so scummy about him. I would have prefered it the lazy way and let Darthe make a case, but I can't wait.

 

Yickes. I checked my own notes. Piano hasn't been very active at all for the first 26 pages.. Makes him more likely to be lazy townie than scum to be honest.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM. This is the strongest reason as to why I am NOT voting him. There is virtually NO such leads. There is no one who has pushed him too hard or detracted from him up till page 26 according to my notes.

 

He's trying to justify not voting Player because of his actions up through page 26, where his notes apparently stop. Do note, we were then on page 62.

 

Lol, Why do people keep saying I'm skimming xD

 

I just made an honest mistake, I thought he said "we have three dead mafia in 4 days, plus hours to get a lynch"

 

I'm going to start FoSing people who play the skim card.

Dude, It was a joke -.- I'm just tired of people who assume I'm skimming. First you, and that was even a mistake. Then Tress just comes out of no where to say I'm skimming.

 

Quite defensive about being accused of skimming.

 

The whole series of his posts after Mynd made his suggestion to lynch Player, starting here reads like an attempt to deflect from that lynch.

 

And since I started compiling this WoT, BG has now come to the forefront. Again, BG was on my D2 list of the highly suspicious, and his behavior since he came back from his RL business has continued to ping a bit. Truthfully, though, Mynd2.0 has been pinging as well, and I don't even feel capable of deciding which one of those two is more suspicious without more information to go on. BG's defense against Mynd's case here is actually quite full of points I agree with. Perhaps Darthe can help us out there.

 

I'm going to have to mull that one over further. Marsh is still very much on my radar, and I'm getting a few pings from Key today. In the meantime, I am more confident in this.

 

Vote Arez

[Ironeyes]

I'm on your radar? Better lay low, then. I know exactly what that means.

[Basel Gill]

I'm comfortable keeping my vote on Limi for now to help vet Darthe, but there are a few other people I am keeping my eye on.

 

Mynd: His argument against BG has been very pot and kettle. He claims BG has been all over the place today while he has changed his vote a lot too. He calls BG too aggressive. If you look up aggressive in a dictionary, you find Mynd's beard hairs on the page. Then there was the whole fake SK bit followed by the vanilla claim. I wouldn't be shocked to learn that the SK claim was cover for killing Nyn.

 

BG: Okay, so he did hop on Mynd's argument a little eagerly. I'm not seeing anything else which really pings me here.

 

Key: She explained her suspicions of me well, but I'm still considering the possibility of her working in concert with Razen.

 

Razen: FoS here. He defends Key to accuse me, and backs it up with a vote Key and I were both on. And she was the third vote there while I was the first. I don't know if he is scummates with Key or buddying up to her to gain her trust.

 

Player: His inactivity would be suspicious, but when you have a job it isn't always easy to be online. My own gameplay has suffered from being away from home for many hours at a time. Being toward the end of trains seems like something that is going to be more likely when you have a radically different timezone than everyone else in the game. Need more data.

 

Arez: Another FoS, for reasons similar to Razen. He has been quite defensive of Player. Like Razen and Key, this doesn't mean they are working together. Player could be town, with Arez buddying. Either way, I am pretty suspicious of Arez right now. I am most suspicious of Razen and Arez, with Mynd and Key following closely behind.

[SBoydW]

Limi (6) - Kae, Basel, iron, Key, Hoof, Player

BG (3) - Razen, Mynd, Lenlo

Darthe (1) - Aiel Heart

Key (1) - BG

 

 

19 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeandda...in=&sec=&p0=412

 

FYI, Soy, you missed Key's vote switch to BG here

 

nay I didn't *Points to below count*... it was just...ummm.. delayed... yeah that...

 

(Thankee deary. )

 

Limi (5) - Kae, Basel, iron, Hoof, Player

BG (4) - Razen, Mynd, Lenlo, Key

Darthe (1) - Aiel Heart

Key (1) - BG

Arez (1) - Songstress

 

 

19 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

 

http://www.timeandda...in=&sec=&p0=412

[Myndrunner]

Why would we lynch the player our uncontested finder viewed as town? Why would we take the dying WIFOM of a scum player who had already accepted his fate? Why are those still with their vote on Limi not looking at the voting info we have?

[SBoydW]

For those to lazy to click on the "time left" link

 

 

68 hours till night

[dapianoplay3r]

Frankly the dying scum is more confirmed than the finder. Once you know you're dead all you have left is the team that you are leaving behind. So while we know what he did was to help his team win, in a game with more than one mafia team the best way is to kill the other team asap. That's why I think he is worth listening too.

As for the finder. Darthe is encountered yes, but also untested. So there is potential there for something still worth confirming.

That's how I see it anyway

 

Now for my scummy timings. Im pretty sure if you look back my posts will all fall into about a 3 hour window around 4am then again at about 8.30pm. Some wont on like weekends or the odd days I had off but most will be in those hours. Unfortunately that seems to be when most Americans are asleep or just about to get home. It means I miss most of the day action and have noone to talk to when I get here which is why I only post once or twice.

 

Finally I think Mynd likes to add little bits and pieces like knowing who the doc and finder and stuff is before everyone else because it puts into the back of everyones minds (lol) that he knows more than us and sees more, therefore we should trust his cases more because we might have missed something that he got. Now a lot of the time he does get the small things that most people miss but I think he doesnt get half as much as he says. It's just clever psychology

Like I think that the person he was pretty sure was the Doc was BG. He just said he thought it at one time. Now I dont think there was a doc claim being built up by BG. It would explain his game play but I think he would have claimed by now. The best thing about Mynd's system here is no one has the balls to ask who he thinks it is. Cos town players shouldnt want to ask and out the player and mafia really want to out the player but that would just be stupidly obvious if they asked. It's very neatly held together actually

[Darthe]

Hmm, well BG remains on my list but luckily or him I consider others to still be a larger potential threat.

As I said with this, others are a larger threat. What are the odds that we have at least a scum between Peace, Arez, and BG? Perhaps two more even? Of the three I would most like to lynch Arez, and Arez claimed earlier that BG was at the top of his list so if we eliminate Arez and he flips scum then we can most likely temp. clear BG. If Arez flips town then BG is a great candidate for viewing. Could make this situation a lot simpler. Besides, one of you WoT people could probably create three pages on the Panda this game

 

Vote Arez

[Blackhoof]

interesting.... mynd has just jumped ALOT up my list of suspects

 

and he is defending limi..... a "vanilla town" who's loss would affect us little (should she be town) and give us plenty of information.

 

i am sticking with limi, but i would gladly change to mynd if other people will.

[Arez Al'Loke]

Oh really.. Your logic is impervious! not really.

 

I'm defending someone, so you're going to lynch me to confirm the guy I'm defending is scum or not?

 

And Tress, first of all, you didn't give any reasons for voting me. Secondly, I said that Bg was my top suspect looong before you, yet you believe I'm scum?

 

And Darhte, how about we do it the otherway around. Vote Bg, if he flips town, the townies should take a closer look at me and vice verse?