Blackhoofs Ghost Town Mafia (Advanced) TOWN WIN!!!

[Blackhoof]

In an unrelated note, it would all players good to pay special attention to the scenes in-between lynches and death scenes. they are not as.... fluffy, as some might believe.

He did say this...

 

emphasis on "between lynches and death scenes" lol

 

 

 

i will now do scenes that have absolutely no basis in fact for deaths and lynches now, okay. everyones happy that way.

[bgrishinko]

:(

[Netbattler11]

I shall now complain about the scenes being overly boring.

 

 

 

 

Nah, its cool. I just like ruffling the mod's feathers whenever I get a chance :P Doesn't happen too often, ya see.

[mmeeshal]

Make 'em entertaining, then!

 

Betty was minding her own business, eating her cherry pie with corn syrup drizzle, when all of a sudden she choked on a fly and died.

[Blackhoof]

I shall now complain about the scenes being overly boring.

 

 

 

 

Nah, its cool. I just like ruffling the mod's feathers whenever I get a chance :P Doesn't happen too often, ya see.

 

Whats that Maw? you want a Post Restriction making you talk like a bird for the next few days! Well, that seems a bit harsh, dont you think?

[Netbattler11]

caw, caw.

 

 

 

:PPPPPPP

[Blackhoof]

Still waiting on some night actions.

 

Remember to tell me if you aren't using yours tonight.

[Amadine]

Sorry Hoofie i haven't been online for a couple of days...

At the moment Reyn is pinging me the most with the quotes that Red found. Her comments about Min not be read by the coroner were majorly suss.

[Red2111]

I've also been pointing out lots of other things about lots of other people. Nothing happened to the rest of them. Also, if I was this banisher, why would Ishy be such a huge target over the others?

 

Other thoughts on the banishment process: The coroner doesn't necessarily need to be the same person who banished Min. Methinks they could be in cohorts though, possibly a specially empowered mason team? In any case, they are on the side of the angels. The other one, though, seems to be either mafia, or a loose cannon such as a Vig or SK, ghost style.

 

why would Ishy be a big target, those fun quotes imo did him in. it gave the apperance that he was hinting at a role or something. we learn from another scene that there is one really mean ghost in this game, my impression was that Ishy's words fit that profile given the things he was saying. likely the person who targetted him noticed the same. you were one of the first people on thread to say anythign about Ishy's posts, and you made a big fuss over it.

 

see i disagree. the death post said she was cornered AND banished. the wording leads me to believe it was the same person who both cornered and bannished Min.

 

also, what do you mean by "Ghost Style" in reguards to a SK or Vig?

 

 

first of all facts are facts

I'm not one to deny them

I sincerely did not think a cult would be in this game but when Min flipped Cult Usurper it definitely implies there is a cult

personally if I was you I'd be more worried if I'd suggested that Hoof just threw that in there as a decoy or something like some people have suggested

we'll get to that in a moment though

 

also the fact that I led the lynch is just an unfortunate consequence of my having no life and living on the internet

I'm sure if I'd been asleep at the time someone else would have made the connection and led the lynch

 

first to the underlined, do you have good reason to suggest that Hoof might be bastard modding this game, because i dont. the fact is this is an advanced game which mean any role out there could possabily be in this game, which is why i called you out so hard on ruling out the Cult.

 

the fact is, that for someone to be so against the idea of a cult in a game, that to turn aroudn and be THE ONE to lead a lynch on someone and proclaim they must be the cult leader that is not only odd and controdictory, but also seems like an opportunistic move.

 

to the underlined. the fact is, your still trying to sway doubt on a cult being in here by even suggesting the mod is bastard modding this game by including roles in the line up that serve no more purpose than to misdirect the players. please quote others who've suggested Hoof might be bastard modding this game, because as of yet, your the first i've seen.

 

 

It can be he is not lying. I have thought about it. This is a weird Mafia game, I think you all agree. Now, what if this was meant as a distraction from the Mod. At Day1, someone, who is Cult Usurper, has a PR that she can only attack one person. And then, this person is Coroner. I don't say I buy it, but it COULD be. It it, of course, weird Kivam didn't claim before he died. If this scenario is true, then we also don't know if we have a Cult, of course, but I don't think I will buy that before the Mod says there is not Cult, or the game ends without Cult.

 

I would have, if I wasn't speed lynched before I got the chance

 

exactly, the lynch happened over the course of a single RL day, WAY too fast. FoS at Ley for the bolded statement.

 

I like scenes a lot, its like a cut scene in Final Fantasy VII.... we work hard and get an entertaining reward even if the outcome isn't good. This is one of the reasons I like Hoofs games, he does a good job this way. But I NEVER read into them in terms of play.

 

when the mod tells you or hints at there being clues in the scenes, liek hoof has done, then it's a good time to examine the scenes as they generally have clues abotu set up and what happens behind the scenes.

 

besides, good for you to say now; but you were behind the Kivam lynch correct. which was based mostly off Mins corner report which is technically reading into the scene

 

 

 

Make 'em entertaining, then!

 

Betty was minding her own business, eating her cherry pie with corn syrup drizzle, when all of a sudden she choked on a fly and died.

 

well obviously the scum is using the flys to kill people and Mary was the cult leader cuase only cult leaders like cherry pie

[Nolder]

first of all facts are facts

I'm not one to deny them

I sincerely did not think a cult would be in this game but when Min flipped Cult Usurper it definitely implies there is a cult

personally if I was you I'd be more worried if I'd suggested that Hoof just threw that in there as a decoy or something like some people have suggested

we'll get to that in a moment though

 

also the fact that I led the lynch is just an unfortunate consequence of my having no life and living on the internet

I'm sure if I'd been asleep at the time someone else would have made the connection and led the lynch

 

first to the underlined, do you have good reason to suggest that Hoof might be bastard modding this game, because i dont. the fact is this is an advanced game which mean any role out there could possabily be in this game, which is why i called you out so hard on ruling out the Cult.

 

the fact is, that for someone to be so against the idea of a cult in a game, that to turn aroudn and be THE ONE to lead a lynch on someone and proclaim they must be the cult leader that is not only odd and controdictory, but also seems like an opportunistic move.

 

to the underlined. the fact is, your still trying to sway doubt on a cult being in here by even suggesting the mod is bastard modding this game by including roles in the line up that serve no more purpose than to misdirect the players. please quote others who've suggested Hoof might be bastard modding this game, because as of yet, your the first i've seen.

I had to rewrite this post like 4 times because I was being a jerk

but for the record I am very unhappy with the way you've misunderstood me here, intentionally or not

if you're going to make accusations like the ones you're making it might be a good idea to double check the posts you're basing your case on

 

as for your concerns

if you'll read the entire post you snagged that quote from you'll notice I quoted a post by Ley in which he heavily implies that Min was just some kind of a decoy or distraction, you'll also notice I ghost voted him for it

I was in fact NOT suggesting Hoof was being a bastard mod I was saying IF I HAD (like some people (hint hint: Ley))I'd think you would have cause to worry rather than if I merely admitted I was wrong about the cult which is what happened

[bgrishinko]

 

I like scenes a lot, its like a cut scene in Final Fantasy VII.... we work hard and get an entertaining reward even if the outcome isn't good. This is one of the reasons I like Hoofs games, he does a good job this way. But I NEVER read into them in terms of play.

 

when the mod tells you or hints at there being clues in the scenes, liek hoof has done, then it's a good time to examine the scenes as they generally have clues abotu set up and what happens behind the scenes.

 

besides, good for you to say now; but you were behind the Kivam lynch correct. which was based mostly off Mins corner report which is technically reading into the scene

 

 

Well, obviously I know the coroner report is important, silly Red.

 

Also, I wasn't one of the voters on Kivam's speed lynch if that's what you are referring to. So I'd appreciate it if you didn't paint it as if I could have been. In fact I didn't even have a chance to say anything about it till the lynch was over and done with. Admittadly, I probably would have voted Kivam given the circumstances, but not so quickly as to deserve no reply.

[Niniel]

first of all facts are facts

I'm not one to deny them

I sincerely did not think a cult would be in this game but when Min flipped Cult Usurper it definitely implies there is a cult

personally if I was you I'd be more worried if I'd suggested that Hoof just threw that in there as a decoy or something like some people have suggested

we'll get to that in a moment though

 

also the fact that I led the lynch is just an unfortunate consequence of my having no life and living on the internet

I'm sure if I'd been asleep at the time someone else would have made the connection and led the lynch

 

first to the underlined, do you have good reason to suggest that Hoof might be bastard modding this game, because i dont. the fact is this is an advanced game which mean any role out there could possabily be in this game, which is why i called you out so hard on ruling out the Cult.

 

the fact is, that for someone to be so against the idea of a cult in a game, that to turn aroudn and be THE ONE to lead a lynch on someone and proclaim they must be the cult leader that is not only odd and controdictory, but also seems like an opportunistic move.

 

to the underlined. the fact is, your still trying to sway doubt on a cult being in here by even suggesting the mod is bastard modding this game by including roles in the line up that serve no more purpose than to misdirect the players. please quote others who've suggested Hoof might be bastard modding this game, because as of yet, your the first i've seen.

I had to rewrite this post like 4 times because I was being a jerk

but for the record I am very unhappy with the way you've misunderstood me here, intentionally or not

if you're going to make accusations like the ones you're making it might be a good idea to double check the posts you're basing your case on

 

as for your concerns

if you'll read the entire post you snagged that quote from you'll notice I quoted a post by Ley in which he heavily implies that Min was just some kind of a decoy or distraction, you'll also notice I ghost voted him for it

I was in fact NOT suggesting Hoof was being a bastard mod I was saying IF I HAD (like some people (hint hint: Ley))I'd think you would have cause to worry rather than if I merely admitted I was wrong about the cult which is what happened

 

I agree Nolder. I read it the opposite way as Red. I wonder why she chose to see it like this? Red, I don´t know if Nolder is town or not but right now you are not finding scummy behavior in his post, you are inventing them.

[SBoydW]

I FoS anyone that says the coroner shouldn't look at Kivam, if he wasn't the coroner. If he was the cult leader (a fact of which I'm not totally convinced) that makes you look cult in my book. I didn't think the vote would move as fast as it did and was only hoping to pressure him some.

[Nolder]

I FoS anyone that says the coroner shouldn't look at Kivam, if he wasn't the coroner. If he was the cult leader (a fact of which I'm not totally convinced) that makes you look cult in my book. I didn't think the vote would move as fast as it did and was only hoping to pressure him some.

if he is not corner he is scum

why are we going to waste our coroner report on confirmed scum?

maybe he's cult leader, maybe he's mafia, maybe he's something else

does it really matter? he's scum and that's all we'd need to know

would it really make you feel better to find out he is in fact the cult leader when the coroner could check me or Meesh instead?

seems very much like a waste to coroner Kivam if we already know he's scum

[Nolder]

also as far as the fast lynch goes

I stand by my stance that the evidence was very compelling

and it's likely the mafia would agree as well

it's not like they want a possible cult leader hanging around

so that's probably why it went so fast

[Leyrann]

It can be he is not lying. I have thought about it. This is a weird Mafia game, I think you all agree. Now, what if this was meant as a distraction from the Mod. At Day1, someone, who is Cult Usurper, has a PR that she can only attack one person. And then, this person is Coroner. I don't say I buy it, but it COULD be. It it, of course, weird Kivam didn't claim before he died. If this scenario is true, then we also don't know if we have a Cult, of course, but I don't think I will buy that before the Mod says there is not Cult, or the game ends without Cult.

reeeallly?

Ghostvote: Ley

 

I said "I don't say I buy it". That means that I don't believe it myself. I was just talking of the possibility of misleading roles. I'm sure I've read about it on MafiaScum (even if I can't find it now). It is that there is a role that implies another role to exist, while it doesn't. Some mods sometimes use it. But, as I said already, I don't think I believe it to be the case. We just have to be aware of the possibility.

 

Still waiting on some night actions.

 

Remember to tell me if you aren't using yours tonight.

Sorry Hoofie i haven't been online for a couple of days...

 

Is this an accidental reveal of a Night Action (because they were right above each other)?

[Netbattler11]

also, what do you mean by "Ghost Style" in reguards to a SK or Vig?

An SK or Vig with banishment instead of an NK. More likely to be a vig.

 

Still waiting on some night actions.

 

Remember to tell me if you aren't using yours tonight.

Sorry Hoofie i haven't been online for a couple of days...

 

Is this an accidental reveal of a Night Action (because they were right above each other)?

Its a stretch. It could be worthy of attention, but I doubt an experienced player such as Ama would give herself away in this manner.

[Reyn]

OKAY - In case you are wondering, I have been keeping an eye on the thread but have, until now, been unable to respond properly to some of the things which have come up, namely those directed at me. So I am going to mainly address that to start...

 

To make it simple to those who are questioning my posts, here are my recent posts, please actually read them.... -_-

 

 

Actually, just to throw it out there with no bias on the point, this is a quote from Nolder: (I don't know how to make it an official quotation)

 

 

Nolder

Posted 02 October 2011 - 05:29 AM

that doesn't make sense to me

as we lynch and people are killed by the mafia they will join the ghosts

and thus join the mason (aka town) team? huh?

 

I'm sure the ghosts are a mixture of alignments just like any other town

most will be townsided but there might be a couple mafia symps in there and possibly a third party

regardless I don't know how much help they'll be to any of us since we really can't trust any of them

 

Maybe he knows more than he's letting on?

 

Edit for blue

Ah well, okay. Just saying that you did not rule out cult. Of course I just got to your post in my reread saying you don't think there's a cult. So umm... yea.

 

I am just gonna make zero accusations right now... until I finish this reread. Eh?

Okay can I start by saying what a dummy I am?

 

Firstly I am retarded cuz I thought Min was anti-town after the reveal on her, when she is merely anti-cult. I must have missed the blatantly obvious word USURPER. Still, I am not confident in her adamant vote on Kivs, though I will say I am less distressed than I was previously.

 

Secondly, I dumbly assumed that a coroner was more of a cop role, that could check anyone... but now I believe (and for Light's sake correct me if I'm wrong) that they can only check the role of a ghost. Which stinks because once a ghost is resurrected their alignment is once again unknown. At least we can go off the opinions they gave as a ghost, SORT OF... but yea. And so my point about not wasting the Coroner's report on Min is a bit lame because I was thinking "WHY WOULDN'T THEY CHECK SOMEONE ALIVE THAT MIGHT BE MORE USEFUL INFO?"

SO yea. Duh.

 

AND finally... after a complete reread. I am dumbfounded to say that I actually retract my FoS feelings towards Nolder. Despite all the fuss, I actually find myself agreeing with a lot that he has had to say, or at least thinking that most of his posts make sense as a town player.

 

Furthermore, I actually agree with this post by Meesh more than anything:

 

MEESH

Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:22 AM

 

...I am being pinged by Leyrann and Boopsy right now. I have to admit Leyrann pings a little more, but with less reason at the moment except gut reaction to his posts. Boopsy already has votes on him, and I don't get his reasoning for putting Kivam down, or his cheerleading at the idea of a vote doubler on Kivam, or his seeming certainty that Min had a role (that last isn't really solid, but it felt to me like maybe he's on a team with her? Just a vibe, nothing more)...

 

Thus, I FoS Leyrann and Boopsy. For the above stated reasons. I will continue to make a full investigation on them later, but I have spent far too much time with Mafia tonight!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now for what was directed towards me......

 

 

I don't feel like we should waste the coroner's report on her, because I don't think this lynch was strong and I really don't think Min is scum. But clearly there is some form of a majority thinking she is scum, so my opinion doesn't count for very much there ;)

 

i'd like Reyn to explain further on this given how Mins corner report turned out

Please see my last post, where I say, and I quote again,

....Okay can I start by saying what a dummy I am?

 

Firstly I am retarded cuz I thought Min was anti-town after the reveal on her, when she is merely anti-cult. I must have missed the blatantly obvious word USURPER. Still, I am not confident in her adamant vote on Kivs, though I will say I am less distressed than I was previously.

 

Secondly, I dumbly assumed that a coroner was more of a cop role, that could check anyone... but now I believe (and for Light's sake correct me if I'm wrong) that they can only check the role of a ghost. Which stinks because once a ghost is resurrected their alignment is once again unknown. At least we can go off the opinions they gave as a ghost, SORT OF... but yea. And so my point about not wasting the Coroner's report on Min is a bit lame because I was thinking "WHY WOULDN'T THEY CHECK SOMEONE ALIVE THAT MIGHT BE MORE USEFUL INFO?"

SO yea. Duh....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah well, okay. Just saying that you did not rule out cult. Of course I just got to your post in my reread saying you don't think there's a cult. So umm... yea.

 

I am just gonna make zero accusations right now... until I finish this reread. Eh?

 

he did directly rule out a cult though Reyn. why are you defending him on this. i called him out for not wanting to even consider the possability of a cult. FoS @ reyn for the two posts i've quoted.

I think you misread or misunderstood. I had tried to say the post above that that he was not ruling out cult, basing that on something he had said towards the first few pages of play. THEN when I made this post I had just gotten to the part of my re-read where he DID say he didn't think there was cult. THUS, I wanted to let everyone know that I was retracting any opinion one way or another on the matter... because it was obvious I needed to get my facts straight.

[Reyn]

One more to clear up here... also excuse me if this all runs together or disjoints a bit.. I am exhausted, stressed, and pretty much wishing to be put out of my misery IRL... thus my conflustigation of stuff goes as such:

 

 

Okay can I start by saying what a dummy I am?

 

Firstly I am retarded cuz I thought Min was anti-town after the reveal on her, when she is merely anti-cult. I must have missed the blatantly obvious word USURPER. Still, I am not confident in her adamant vote on Kivs, though I will say I am less distressed than I was previously.

 

Secondly, I dumbly assumed that a coroner was more of a cop role, that could check anyone... but now I believe (and for Light's sake correct me if I'm wrong) that they can only check the role of a ghost. Which stinks because once a ghost is resurrected their alignment is once again unknown. At least we can go off the opinions they gave as a ghost, SORT OF... but yea. And so my point about not wasting the Coroner's report on Min is a bit lame because I was thinking "WHY WOULDN'T THEY CHECK SOMEONE ALIVE THAT MIGHT BE MORE USEFUL INFO?"

SO yea. Duh.

 

AND finally... after a complete reread. I am dumbfounded to say that I actually retract my FoS feelings towards Nolder. Despite all the fuss, I actually find myself agreeing with a lot that he has had to say, or at least thinking that most of his posts make sense as a town player.

 

Furthermore, I actually agree with this post by Meesh more than anything:

 

MEESH

Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:22 AM

 

...I am being pinged by Leyrann and Boopsy right now. I have to admit Leyrann pings a little more, but with less reason at the moment except gut reaction to his posts. Boopsy already has votes on him, and I don't get his reasoning for putting Kivam down, or his cheerleading at the idea of a vote doubler on Kivam, or his seeming certainty that Min had a role (that last isn't really solid, but it felt to me like maybe he's on a team with her? Just a vibe, nothing more)...

 

Thus, I FoS Leyrann and Boopsy. For the above stated reasons. I will continue to make a full investigation on them later, but I have spent far too much time with Mafia tonight!

 

Can you please explain why you FoS me only because Meesh (not even you) has a gut reaction from my posts?

 

 

During my re-read I had these same gut reactions that Meesh expressed BEFORE I read her post (or rather, before REreading it). But since Meesh spoke it out before me and I had already spent way too much time digging through the posts, I figured I'd just +1 her thoughts and make a proper investigation in the future. As it is, your posts after the fact have not aided my opinion much. I speak on a couple of them in a moment...

 

 

 

 

And now I just want to reiterate some points in a "haunting" sort of way, as ghosts must do. AKA give my agreement as I really have not much to add to what has been said thus far.

 

-I definitely would agree that we would get more information from a coroner's report on someone other than Kivam... My gut says he is not what he claims, as it doesn't seem like a wise play for an experienced town player to claim a power role when he can still be threatened... and he doesn't seem to have any defense for why he made such a move. If that be the case, we can, as Nolder said, assume he is some form of anti-town player. Why waste a report when we may find other alignments?

 

-Now, even though I think it likely Kivam is anti-town, I feel like Ley may also be anti-town on a team against him, for as Red posted, he made it a clear point that Kiv did not claim his role before lynch, even though he was really speed-lynched. Seems like Ley is trying to stall the town from getting some useful info on someone else. This PLUS his suggestion that we may have a false role seem very suspicious to me at the moment.

 

PS- Ley I am uber sorry if I call you a girl at some point in this game - your name just throws me off with the "ann" part or something >_<

 

 

And finally, I just wanted to point out (not that it matters now) that while Hoof did at one point say to pay a little more attention to his scenes, he did post a disclaimer (I believe its in the OP) to NOT take the scenes at face value.

 

And I think I am done for the night. Blargh.

[bgrishinko]

*snores*

[amegakure]

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[keyholder21]

Now, even though I think it likely Kivam is anti-town, I feel like Ley may also be anti-town on a team against him, for as Red posted, he made it a clear point that Kiv did not claim his role before lynch, even though he was really speed-lynched. Seems like Ley is trying to stall the town from getting some useful info on someone else. This PLUS his suggestion that we may have a false role seem very suspicious to me at the moment.

 

 

 

Bolded: I don't see where pointing out that Kiv didn't have a chance to reveal before he was lynched is "stalling the town." I got more that it was lamenting losing an important role (if Kiv is what he claimed).

 

False role suggestion - really? So you're saying to take what Kiv said at face value? Love Kiv, but I would *never* do that. I wouldn't do it for anyone in a mafia game, especially this twisted one! I think you are suspicious for suggesting that that is scummy.

[Sakaea]

Just FYI, I'll be gone most of today. Going to have new tires put on my car. I'll check back this evening.

[Leyrann]

So that you know, Kivam has made a post, while he was at L-2 or L-1. He had chance to reveal himself before his lynch. He didn't. I don't believe him, and I want to ask the Coroner to view someone else, because it also shows us Kiv did a false role claim if there IS a Coroners report.

[Netbattler11]

PS- Ley I am uber sorry if I call you a girl at some point in this game - your name just throws me off with the "ann" part or something >_<

 

Ley, I am obliged to point out and chuckle at every time this happens.

 

Also, this is a good opportunity for the rogue banisher to show us his alignment. If he goes for Kivam, he's probably town aligned. If he kills someone else likely to be town, I would say he's a scum tool.