[Advanced] Monty Python and the Holy Grail Mafia (Game Over)

bgrishinko · June 19, 2011

This I know, hence the apology. :)

On 6/18/2011 at 9:42 PM, Minuet said:

Some of us lynch inactives cause less experienced mafia members like to be inactive. Just to let you know.

Minuet · June 20, 2011

Just be active from now on bgrishinko. So, do you have a nickname, cause that is long. I go by Min.

Charis alAslan · June 20, 2011

I cant even keep track of this many players. I would say we have lots of inactives right now.

Krakalakachkn · June 20, 2011

Changed my mind.

Night will end on Monday at 10pm

bgrishinko · June 20, 2011

Most people call me BG in mafia games

I like that, so there ya go!

On 6/20/2011 at 12:06 AM, Minuet said:

Just be active from now on bgrishinko. So, do you have a nickname, cause that is long. I go by Min.

Red2111 · June 20, 2011

*Red's horse whickers and snorts a bit, pawing the ground for somthing to munch on*

Blackie, your fake role claim will also give us alot of info, as we can see peoples reactions to a suposed "power" role half claim. while i agree that half reveals a generally a "go directly to jail" card if pulled, usually we see towns take a step back from this and pull a vote or two to stop the lynch to give Blackie a chance to fully reveal; why the scum push the "half reveals are crappy" and try to put the lynch on over drive while still sounding on the fence. so we might get some good info by comparing my notes which i've posted (along with your own) and looking at peoples reactions to Blackie's reveal to narrow down the list of possible scum even further.

Min - yes i left out some of your quotes, those that didn't pertain to your vote on Wombat and were nothing more than flavor. i've been called scummy for having Wall-o-txt posts lots of times, but this is the first i've been called scummy for not quoting you enough. unless of course you think i must quote every single post you've made in this game to make a case against you ... because i can pull up some gems that are nothing more then flavor posts quoting the source material and are not relavent at all to the game of Mafia :laugh:

On 6/17/2011 at 1:33 AM, trench said:

*trench goes around scooping up the mess Red's horse keeps making*

Also I have been asking this fern outside to answer my questions for hours now. Is there a certain species of shrubbey I should ask?

i'll have you know, my horse is properly house trained and only uses one corner of the field to do his dirty work in!!

according to the source, it should be a good shrubbery, about medium sized but not to expensive.

On 6/17/2011 at 1:59 AM, Vieira151 said:
How would the scum be able to use it against us if you waited longer, may I ask?

by making it the center thing to focus on for the day (or even the next day if they didn't get me lynched) and building a bandwagon on me off of it. i'm sure majority of the people who voiced negative feelings about the No Lynch are town, so the scum woudl use this general feeling to help build a case against me and use me as a focus for distracting away from us finding scum or to attempt to discredit me words by spreading doubt about me in he minds of others. its all very simple, and by you asking to have it explained could very well be part of this distraction techinique.

On 6/17/2011 at 12:34 PM, Charis alAslan said:
How is my vote on you an "OMGUS"? Are you voting for me, Red?

i point out things you've said that i find point worthy; you over react, FOS me, put a vote on me and then in this post quoted also try to hint at myself possible being a jester with that whole "you exist to cause confusion" rumble; but deny your vote (in essence) was no more than a OMGUS vote. tsk tsk, me thinks you squirm rather nicely under a bit of pressure.

On 6/17/2011 at 12:34 PM, Charis alAslan said:

There is no contradiction here. Just because I think casing on Day One isnt very useful, it has nothing to do with your suspicious behavior regarding wanting to speed up the day. I dont care how long Day One lasts. I am not rushing to Night One because I for one am afraid of what the scum will do in the Night. Clearly, you are not. Therefore your actions wreak of scum. You, too, are trying hard to point a FoS on me when it should be on you. Perhaps you and Red are on the same team?

However, since everyone seems to be voting Hoof and we need a vote by today, and knowing I wont be on again til much later, I will cast my vote in his direction. But, Red/Jack... I think this is a pairing we need to watch.

oh isn't that savvy. wasn't good enough for Wombat to set up a nice frame for the scum, you had to go do it as well and trump him by linking two players to you. bravo for handing the scum more ammo *-insert golf clap-*

and also, to the point underlined, no one was trying to speed up a lynch Charis. the votes did pile on Blackie, but when you posted this we had less than 12 hours till the deadline; which is typical of a lynch speeding up to get the majority votes.

On 6/17/2011 at 1:41 PM, Ahmoondah Sedai said:

Jack, I'm confused by your statement here.

We know Mafia will kill people in the night, as will Vigs or SKs if there are any. We know that Night Actions can be deadly.

Your statements as such are kinda jerky. Charis knows that nks are part of the game, she is just afraid that Mafia scum are gonna target her for Night One because she's been working a case against you and Red.

Of course, now that i've said that, you and Red won't NK Charis, because it would put a stronger FOS at you.

Scum.

I'd change my vote, but I still strongly think Hoofy is Scum.

and we have Moon comming in and pouncing on this "link players together" there are about 4 glasses of wine in this situation and it's one of those that scum can use to their advantage. this post wreaks of scum trying to manuver the situaiton and set up players.

to the underlined - i have yet to see Charis do more than fling to good old FoS at myself and Jack; i have yet to see her actually build a case. so theres a slight twisting of the situation to make it appear more than what it is.

to the bolded - and now you set up a lack of a lynch on Charis to make myself look suspicion. yet now that you've exposed our plot, Charis might get the NK just to put the FoS on you for linking us together, adn if you flip innocent, well then that secures my lynch on Jacks right; only if we flip innocnet as well the scum woudl have gotten 4 innocents witht he price of one. or we might land one scum after lynchign 4 innocents, whcih still sucks for us numbers wise.

you see how nasty this WIFOM can turn and how you've just given the scum a great playing piece. honestly Moon, with that little bit of soft maunvering you just shot right to the top of my list.

also, i have yet to make a real case on anyone, only to point out posts i thought felt odd or were worth noting. yet we have 2 people now reacting like a drug user with an 8 ball on them and the cops beating at him door. could be i'm onto something here with Moon & Charis.

Graendals favourite · June 20, 2011

Well, I think we should seriously consider them come dawn.

Amadine · June 20, 2011

Agreed, Red makes a lot of sense at the moment - and with more depth and thought than i have seen from the others involved.

Charis alAslan · June 20, 2011

On 6/20/2011 at 12:54 PM, Red2111 said:

On 6/17/2011 at 12:34 PM, Charis alAslan said:
How is my vote on you an "OMGUS"? Are you voting for me, Red?

i point out things you've said that i find point worthy; you over react, FOS me, put a vote on me and then in this post quoted also try to hint at myself possible being a jester with that whole "you exist to cause confusion" rumble; but deny your vote (in essence) was no more than a OMGUS vote. tsk tsk, me thinks you squirm rather nicely under a bit of pressure.

This makes no sense to me as I've never voted for you. I merely suggested looking in your direction and then you said I was pulling an OMGUS. Yet you didnt vote for me either. Anyone who cases our interaction will see the straight-forward progression. Seriously, Red. You ARE causing confusion! This stinks of jester-like behavior.

On 6/20/2011 at 12:54 PM, Red2111 said:

On 6/17/2011 at 12:34 PM, Charis alAslan said:

There is no contradiction here. Just because I think casing on Day One isnt very useful, it has nothing to do with your suspicious behavior regarding wanting to speed up the day. I dont care how long Day One lasts. I am not rushing to Night One because I for one am afraid of what the scum will do in the Night. Clearly, you are not. Therefore your actions wreak of scum. You, too, are trying hard to point a FoS on me when it should be on you. Perhaps you and Red are on the same team?

However, since everyone seems to be voting Hoof and we need a vote by today, and knowing I wont be on again til much later, I will cast my vote in his direction. But, Red/Jack... I think this is a pairing we need to watch.

oh isn't that savvy. wasn't good enough for Wombat to set up a nice frame for the scum, you had to go do it as well and trump him by linking two players to you. bravo for handing the scum more ammo *-insert golf clap-*

Again, no clue what you mean here. Are you suggesting that Wombat was trying to frame you, but that instead I did it for him? Where did this happen? o_O? Paranoid much?

On 6/20/2011 at 12:54 PM, Red2111 said:
and also, to the point underlined, no one was trying to speed up a lynch Charis. the votes did pile on Blackie, but when you posted this we had less than 12 hours till the deadline; which is typical of a lynch speeding up to get the majority votes.

As I said in my post, I voted then because I knew I would not be able to be on til after the deadline. I never suggested a speeding up of anything. You continually make scummy inferences where are none.

On 6/20/2011 at 12:54 PM, Red2111 said:

to the underlined - i have yet to see Charis do more than fling to good old FoS at myself and Jack; i have yet to see her actually build a case. so theres a slight twisting of the situation to make it appear more than what it is.

Hunny, you dont need my help in building up a case against you. You're doing just fine on your own. :wink:

On 6/20/2011 at 12:54 PM, Red2111 said:

to the bolded - and now you set up a lack of a lynch on Charis to make myself look suspicion. yet now that you've exposed our plot, Charis might get the NK just to put the FoS on you for linking us together, adn if you flip innocent, well then that secures my lynch on Jacks right; only if we flip innocnet as well the scum woudl have gotten 4 innocents witht he price of one. or we might land one scum after lynchign 4 innocents, whcih still sucks for us numbers wise.

Re: what I bolded - huh??! A lack of a lynch on me? What does that even mean? And when did this happen?

Re: what I italicized - You have a plot then? So you admit you and Jack_D are in cohoots together? Yet you still try to make a case that I'm scum? And you want to drag others into your psychosis? Oh Red - what ARE you up to??

Red2111 · June 20, 2011

*Red attempts to spur her horse and the horse shakes it's head, whyinnies and continue's munchign grass*

On 6/20/2011 at 4:10 PM, Charis alAslan said:
This makes no sense to me as I've never voted for you. I merely suggested looking in your direction and then you said I was pulling an OMGUS. Yet you didnt vote for me either. Anyone who cases our interaction will see the straight-forward progression. Seriously, Red. You ARE causing confusion! This stinks of jester-like behavior.

i explained it very clearly here Charis link when i originally responded to your OMGUS statement. OMGUS doesn't only apply to votes Charis, it also applys to throwing an FOS on someone who has FOS'd you while you attempt to twist their previous FOS. it's what cornered scum do when they feel the heat on them

if pointing out things i find odd is causing confusion, then i guess you have me there; but there are plenty of others who are finding my info mining rather educational rather than confusing. it you are town and you truely think i'm doing this either as scum or Jester then why are you feeding me by continuign it. unless your a scum who thinks i'm a Jester and wants to use it as a distraction attempt

as to the underlined. OH HO!!!, and there we have it ladies and gent's!! she set this one up from the beginning and i called it on the spot.

On 6/20/2011 at 4:10 PM, Charis alAslan said:
Again, no clue what you mean here. Are you suggesting that Wombat was trying to frame you, but that instead I did it for him? Where did this happen? o_O? Paranoid much?

Charis, you need to go back and do a re-read. this is the post i'm referring too My link i never said he was trying to frame me, just that Wombat had already given the scum ammo concerning linking players together. which you and Moon have attemtped to do considering myself, Jack and you (Charis). same situation, just a love triangle instead of a two to tango.

On 6/20/2011 at 4:10 PM, Charis alAslan said:
As I said in my post, I voted then because I knew I would not be able to be on til after the deadline. I never suggested a speeding up of anything. You continually make scummy inferences where are none.

yet part of your FoS at Jack was for an accusation of speeding up a lynch. i merely point out the closeness to the lynch that this accusation was made and how in reality at this point the lynch generally is sped up and is therefor not really anythign out of the ordinary or anything concrete scummy.

On 6/20/2011 at 4:10 PM, Charis alAslan said:
Hunny, you dont need my help in building up a case against you. You're doing just fine on your own.

yet you'r helping yourself by digging a whole Charis. if your town then i can't say your helping much with linking players together and pointing the FOS at people who suspect you but don't post anythign to back up the FOS.

as i said before, i welcome cases built against me. it allows for more information to get out there and helps narrow down the scum. as it stands now, i've argued all the points on you i can find so far in the game, any more argueing is just goign to allow the scum to use us as a distraction if we're both town and get us both lynched as well as get others lynched. so unless you have an actual case agaisnt me charis, all your doing is making it easier for the scum and making yourself look more scummier imo.

On 6/20/2011 at 4:10 PM, Charis alAslan said:

On 6/20/2011 at 12:54 PM, Red2111 said:

to the bolded - and now you set up a lack of a lynch on Charis to make myself look suspicion. yet now that you've exposed our plot, Charis might get the NK just to put the FoS on you for linking us together, adn if you flip innocent, well then that secures my lynch on Jacks right; only if we flip innocnet as well the scum woudl have gotten 4 innocents witht he price of one. or we might land one scum after lynchign 4 innocents, whcih still sucks for us numbers wise.

Re: what I bolded - huh??! A lack of a lynch on me? What does that even mean? And when did this happen?

Re: what I italicized - You have a plot then? So you admit you and Jack_D are in cohoots together? Yet you still try to make a case that I'm scum? And you want to drag others into your psychosis? Oh Red - what ARE you up to??

i sometimes forget how much sarcasim is lost through the internet without an emoticon :blush:

it was my sarcastic response to Moon's nice little WIFOM that she set up with the whole "she is just afraid that Mafia scum are gonna target her for Night One because she's been working a case against you and Red. Of course, now that i've said that, you and Red won't NK Charis, because it would put a stronger FOS at you."

this translates to a nice little set-up that allows the scum to us you being alive or you being NK'd (if townie) to frame both myself & Jack. or to explain why the scum haven't NK'd you if you are scum and still cast suspicion on two other players.

so, being the smart mouth & sarcastic person i am i decided to add a sardonic retort. i meant to put NK, not lynch as well in that post.

Minuet · June 20, 2011

On 6/20/2011 at 12:54 PM, Red2111 said:

Min - yes i left out some of your quotes, those that didn't pertain to your vote on Wombat and were nothing more than flavor. i've been called scummy for having Wall-o-txt posts lots of times, but this is the first i've been called scummy for not quoting you enough. unless of course you think i must quote every single post you've made in this game to make a case against you ... because i can pull up some gems that are nothing more then flavor posts quoting the source material and are not relavent at all to the game of Mafia

The problem is you were saying that I had no reason for the things I did when in fact I did. So, you just picking a few posts and stating that was a lie. You didn't account for what I was answering just because I don't use the quote button often. See I used it above so you and everyone else would know what I am answering. So, next time you are building a case and state that I didn't need to reveal something about a vote read what came before. You being over dramatic here is even more suspicious to me. Seems like you are trying to build too many cases for people being mafia, which can usually be a mafia tell.

sVieira151 · June 20, 2011

On 6/20/2011 at 12:54 PM, Red2111 said:

On 6/17/2011 at 1:59 AM, Vieira151 said:
How would the scum be able to use it against us if you waited longer, may I ask?

by making it the center thing to focus on for the day (or even the next day if they didn't get me lynched) and building a bandwagon on me off of it. i'm sure majority of the people who voiced negative feelings about the No Lynch are town, so the scum woudl use this general feeling to help build a case against me and use me as a focus for distracting away from us finding scum or to attempt to discredit me words by spreading doubt about me in he minds of others. its all very simple, and by you asking to have it explained could very well be part of this distraction techinique.

What you say there makes quite good sense. And I was just asking, it wasn't a ploy or whatever you may think, I was just genuinely wanting to know the answer.

Now, the Charis/Red saga seems to have heated up here. It's getting quite an intersting read but I may have to read up more on it to see who I think is least suspicious in this. As for everything else, I'll wait till night has ended.

WWWwombat · June 20, 2011

FoS Red

sVieira151 · June 21, 2011

Oh, btw guys/gals. Won't be active from late tomorrow(8pm GMT) till Thursday. Going to Alton Towers! :biggrin:

berf · June 21, 2011

How far away are we from Day 2?

I am in no state of mind to do time zone conversion algebra. But surely not long?

JenLenaMom · June 21, 2011

Two-ish hours I think...

Charis alAslan · June 21, 2011

Now, pay attention, everyone because this is the last time I will respond to Red's ridiculousness. You can all judge for yourselves whether there's a real claim against me or whether this is a ploy from Red to throw suspicion off herself. I will case myself. I want to point out a few things:

1. This tug-of-war Red pulled me into happened right after people started voting her because of her No Lynch suggestion.

2. Initially, my FoS was against Jack, not Red.

(Note - I hate wading through extremely long posts, so I'll just put in the links. You guys can go back and read. I'm just trying to make it easier for you to find me. Let me summarize.)

1. Here Christine, GF and I all point out that Jack is acting scummy due to his extreme desire to get into Night One. I also suggested that Jack might be a solo-win Jester for so blatantly drawing undue attention to himself.

2. Here Jack somewhat defends himself and actually points a FoS on Red. Interesting that she doesnt jump on him for it.

3. Here Red says my vote on Wombat is scummy. Then later she says I'm scummy for NOT voting for him. She then proceeds in her next two posts to make several cases against others.

4. Here I explain my vote on Wombat and I accuse Red of throwing eyes off herself by making accusations against everyone else. I also tell her she's jumped Jack on my suspect list.

5. Here Red claims I'm OMGUSing her and then challenges me (and everyone else) to battle it out with her. I do so, of course, which now makes me even more scummy to her. :rolleyes: Clearly she just wants to be the only one with lots of things to say and the only one to point FoS's.

6. Here Jack finally gets around to responding to me. He'll soon be overshadowed by Red - the master word-twister.

7. I should've been quick-witted like CS here. He managed to disentangle himself from Red's web.

8. Here, several people try to respond to Red's accusations against them. It all largely goes ignored by her.

Min's defense.

Trench's defense.

Vieira's defense.

9. Here I respond to Red's claims against me that I'm OMGUSing her. I also suggest she's acting scummy and that she might be under a PR. I also respond to Jack here and suggest that he and Red are on the same team.

10. I'm not sure what Jack was trying to do here. Of course I know what'll happen at Night, as Moon also clearly stated for me, (thank you). My whole point - which I think everyone else understood, was that he seemed to eager for the killing to happen. If so, then I infer that he's probably safe, which means Jack is likely to be scum. In her post, Moon also suggests that Jack is scum. Funnily enough, it is Red who jumps on her for it. Here is Jack's last response to me via his post to Moon.

11. Red continues to beat dead horses here again in a long-winded post throwing empty claims against me. She also comes to Jack's defense and turns on Moon. Again - defending Jack. This is a continuously emerging pattern.

12. Here I respond, having apparently taken sarcastic comments she made too seriously. Though how we can tell the difference between sarcasm and seriousness in her lengthy treatises, I've no idea.

13. Here Red says I OMGUS her because there was heat on me, which is a scumtell. If you notice from the previous posts, there was no such heat other that what she made up in her head. Clearly, anyone who turns up the heat on Red finds themselves playing with fire. She also suggests that I was setting her up to be called a Jester. Go back to Link#1 - I had called Jack a Jester. But, since she'd been acting more oddly than he, I suggested that her behavior was Jester-like. I did not set her up, she did it herself. She also AGAIN defends Jack by saying his statements werent scummy. She then challenges me to build a case against her, and so here it is.

So, judge for yourselves. Is there anything particularly scummy in how I've responded to Red? Others have also been accused and responded. Or is she just throwing mud at me because I attacked her and her teammate? I wash my hands of it for now. BTW - I keep mentioning how long-winded she is because I'm assuming that this is a tactic on her part to throw people off.

Minuet · June 21, 2011

Charis I don't think she really pays close attention to what we really say. She just likes to invent stuff or take things out of context to suit her purpose. I know come day I will be voting for her. I wouldn't have until she came after me a second time after I explained to her what I found scummy about what she did. She was over dramatic and honestly it really bothered me that she was kind of flippant with her claim against me. I think with all the people she is pointing at it is obvious she is trying to get any heat away from her. Unfortunately what that says to me is scum. I have played in too many games where people building cases on nothing have turned out to be scum not to vote for her come morning. That is if I am still alive.

Krakalakachkn · June 21, 2011

I will post the scene tomrrow moringn when I sober up. I apologize for the inconvenience, bt I am quite sure I will make a glaring mistake if I attempt to post anything now and you guys don't desrve that. This is a lucky break for any of you who did not send me your Night Action as you have a few precious hours to send it in.

:(

dapianoplay3r · June 21, 2011

Sorry guys Ive been sick and I forgot to post a LOA. Im better now so im just gunna do my read through and see what i can discover

dapianoplay3r · June 21, 2011

keyholder21 · June 21, 2011

On 6/21/2011 at 6:07 AM, Krakalakachkn said:

I will post the scene tomrrow moringn when I sober up. I apologize for the inconvenience, bt I am quite sure I will make a glaring mistake if I attempt to post anything now and you guys don't desrve that. This is a lucky break for any of you who did not send me your Night Action as you have a few precious hours to send it in.

:(

LOL Krak! Hm...drunken mafia....

Red2111 · June 21, 2011

*red laughs fondly and canters her horse around once more, the horse prances a bit, eager to unleash it's pent up energy*

On 6/20/2011 at 11:23 PM, WWWwombat said:

FoS Red

and it wouldn't be a game of Mafia without Womby giving me the finger ... of suspicion :tongue:

my responses are in Red

On 6/21/2011 at 3:24 AM, Charis alAslan said:

1. Here Christine, GF and I all point out that Jack is acting scummy due to his extreme desire to get into Night One. I also suggested that Jack might be a solo-win Jester for so blatantly drawing undue attention to himself.

not to point out the obvious or anything Charis, but have you ever seen a scum be that obvious? alot of people are happy or eagar for Day 1 to be over, becuase Day 1 generally results in no info. i'm not saying a newbie scum wouldn't make this mistake, but likely he would have done an abrupt change or woudl have squirmed harder due to pressure from his team on the QT board. this is somethign i didn't see on thread personally

2. Here Jack somewhat defends himself and actually points a FoS on Red. Interesting that she doesnt jump on him for it.

all jack said was that i either have a PR or is faking it, a response to a side conversation at the time that had no bearing to finding scum and wasn't a FoS at all Charis. really if your goign to case someone, you need to use something stronger deary.

3. Here Red says my vote on Wombat is scummy. Then later she says I'm scummy for NOT voting for him. She then proceeds in her next two posts to make several cases against others.

actually, what i said was your vote on Wombat was the scummiest out of those posted on him, but also said that 2 others were scummy as well and the only reason i counted yours scummmier was because it put Wombat near the 1/2 way point over a joke vote.

later i say your scummy for UNVOTING him as well because you jumped off the vote directly after the other two i found scummy on his vote.

if your going to case someone, you need to make sure your information is correct. this is why quotes, instead of links are better; especially when your obviously scum trying to case the only really outspoken person against you. otherwise you do my work for me and frankly i enjoy the challenge of unearthing scum.

4. Here I explain my vote on Wombat and I accuse Red of throwing eyes off herself by making accusations against everyone else. I also tell her she's jumped Jack on my suspect list.

and i called you out for that vote being a BS. again, i didn't have much pressure on me at all with only 1 or 2 votes and only 2 FOS's over the No Lynch. i came out with the fact it was a ploy (and obvious if you've played with me before) and the subject was dropped rather nicely except by Vieira.

nice that you left out this is the point that you started linking myself & Jack together. something both Min & Moon have latched onto rather quickly.

5. Here Red claims I'm OMGUSing her and then challenges me (and everyone else) to battle it out with her. I do so, of course, which now makes me even more scummy to her. Clearly she just wants to be the only one with lots of things to say and the only one to point FoS's.

the action of you going head to head with me doesn't make you scummy Charis, its more of what your saying and how your saying it. and i stand by my accusation of your OMGUS

6. Here Jack finally gets around to responding to me. He'll soon be overshadowed by Red - the master word-twister.

i'd consider this a really compliment if i was scum in this game.

7. I should've been quick-witted like CS here. He managed to disentangle himself from Red's web.

8. Here, several people try to respond to Red's accusations against them. It all largely goes ignored by her.

Min's defense.

Trench's defense.

Vieira's defense.

Selective reading again Charis? i did respond to them, and all in the same post. here i'll link it for you for easier finding. ammusing though that you falsely accuse me of not answering them; i mena you obviously did read atleas the portion of this post where i responded to you.

9. Here I respond to Red's claims against me that I'm OMGUSing her. I also suggest she's acting scummy and that she might be under a PR. I also respond to Jack here and suggest that he and Red are on the same team.

10. I'm not sure what Jack was trying to do here. Of course I know what'll happen at Night, as Moon also clearly stated for me, (thank you). My whole point - which I think everyone else understood, was that he seemed to eager for the killing to happen. If so, then I infer that he's probably safe, which means Jack is likely to be scum. In her post, Moon also suggests that Jack is scum. Funnily enough, it is Red who jumps on her for it. Here is Jack's last response to me via his post to Moon.

Moon clearly fed us all a major portion of WIFOM that she obviously thought would neatly set me up for a fall reguardless if her team NKd you or not Charis.

some people might differ on their opinion of being happy to see D1 come to a close. ie: we get more info and have a greater chance of hitting scum. this is the excuse he used, after getting pressure on him. of course, if you went back and re-read, you'd see this for yourself. i always look forward to getting D1 over regaurdless of alignment for the same reasons.

also, just becuase your scum doesn't mean your safe at night on D1. right now, we have no clue how many killing rolls Krak put in this game, if theres a SK or Vig out there; or even a Mirror role, even if he is scum he's just as likely to get killed during the night.

i jumped on Moon for dragging out more WIFOM and jumping onto your linking of me and Jack Charis, theres a difference in what your suggesting.

11. Red continues to beat dead horses here again in a long-winded post throwing empty claims against me. She also comes to Jack's defense and turns on Moon. Again - defending Jack. This is a continuously emerging pattern.

see the above statement in Red. they weren't empty claims Charis, just pointing out what i observed. the first time i've directly come to Jacks defense was in this post Charis, but since you've so nicely tried to link myself and him together, any defense i try to give myself is (by logic) extended to him. put bluntly, this is your own fault for percieving it so, since your the one who percieved the notion.

12. Here I respond, having apparently taken sarcastic comments she made too seriously. Though how we can tell the difference between sarcasm and seriousness in her lengthy treatises, I've no idea.

i was hoping my words woudl have done it for me, but like i said it appears sarcasim on the net is lost without the inclusion of a smilie. i mean, i figured that the line "you caught us" was obviously smart ass in sounding especially when i posted this right after is

"you see how nasty this WIFOM can turn and how you've just given the scum a great playing piece. honestly Moon, with that little bit of soft maunvering you just shot right to the top of my list."

13. Here Red says I OMGUS her because there was heat on me, which is a scumtell. If you notice from the previous posts, there was no such heat other that what she made up in her head. Clearly, anyone who turns up the heat on Red finds themselves playing with fire. She also suggests that I was setting her up to be called a Jester. Go back to Link#1 - I had called Jack a Jester. But, since she'd been acting more oddly than he, I suggested that her behavior was Jester-like. I did not set her up, she did it herself. She also AGAIN defends Jack by saying his statements werent scummy. She then challenges me to build a case against her, and so here it is.

to the underlined, the same could be said for you making up the supposed masive heat i'm supposedly dodging and the link between me and Jack you've invented Charis.

and yes, anyone who comes at me should well expect to have the same done to them. i'm like this whether the scum or vanilla townie Charis. i'm not, what you would call, a meek player. i like to beat the grass and stir the pot.

yes you did nicely set up the claim of Jester, you hinted at it with this " truly believe you exist to cause confusion" on post #242 then you follow it up 2 posts later with "This stinks of jester-like behavior". Jester exist to confuse, hence the set up; then the out right accusation of being Jester like as the execution in post #248.

So, judge for yourselves. Is there anything particularly scummy in how I've responded to Red? Others have also been accused and responded. Or is she just throwing mud at me because I attacked her and her teammate? I wash my hands of it for now. BTW - I keep mentioning how long-winded she is because I'm assuming that this is a tactic on her part to throw people off.

Actually Charis, i only find you mildly scummy. while your case has holes in it, not all the correct information and i don't agree with the assumptions you've made; it has more of an aggrevated, defensive townie. btw, i'm not throwing mud at you Charis, only pointing out what i find scummy; if i were flinign mud i'd put in some personal insults which is something i don't do

as for the long winded, thats my posting style and has been for a while. most posting in this game tends to be done at night when i'm not around; so becuase i have to play catch up theres generally alot of quotes i have to respond to; either pointing out things i find odd that no one pointed out or adding my 2 cents into a debate goign on or responding to questions asked to me. it's soemthing i do both as scum and as a townie.

like i said, i find you luke warm in the scum pool. now the people who are boiling hot on the scumdar are Min and Moon. i've pionted out Moon's obvious WIFOM and her jumping on the link placed between me and Jack. notice how after that, Moon has faded back into the background where she came from. typical scum manuvering.

and Min, Min ... Min ... Min ... Min .... i've gone back and have yet to find any DIRECT pressure applied to you to both explain your vote on Wombat and to pull your vote off of him. then, there is your blatant siding with Charis and your subtle attempt to egg her on with the back & forth between herself & me. i've already explained why the former is scummy, but let me disgress into the latter. you see, its normal behavior for a scum to jump on one side of a debate like this, and if both people are townies well it's almost too good to pass up. see, they do this because when one flips innocent, then it leaves them in the position to go after the other with guns blazing and still keep their cover by claiming "i was mis lead, or so&so was acting scummy" this is scum tactics 101 people, and works alot of the time.

so i think, when day rolls around we should focus on these two people for the lynch.

On 6/21/2011 at 3:49 AM, Minuet said:

Charis I don't think she really pays close attention to what we really say. She just likes to invent stuff or take things out of context to suit her purpose. I know come day I will be voting for her. I wouldn't have until she came after me a second time after I explained to her what I found scummy about what she did. She was over dramatic and honestly it really bothered me that she was kind of flippant with her claim against me. I think with all the people she is pointing at it is obvious she is trying to get any heat away from her. Unfortunately what that says to me is scum. I have played in too many games where people building cases on nothing have turned out to be scum not to vote for her come morning. That is if I am still alive.

Min you know better than the underlined. even as scum i read what others post. you saying this and knowing that being accused of this normally puts me on the defensive is as good as an addmission that your scum imo.

i wan't flippant with my claim agains tyou. i stated it rather plainly both times Min.

but by all means Min, run hard with my lynch; thsi way when i flip townie atleast others will know my words for truth and it will seal your lynch as well as Moons.

Sakaea · June 21, 2011

I will be here for about another hour, and then I will be gone all day. All of you wish me luck, hopefully I shall return home with a job!!!!

Tiinker · June 21, 2011

Good luck!

I'm just going to wait till night tells gives us something before starting a case to out someone.

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