Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[Quibby]

 

Give it up Verbal, we are not lynching him this round.

 

I don't think he can give it up. Has he given a single actual argument yet?

[Naeann]

Oh, and does anybody else think that Verbal's insistence on going after Aemon reads like Compulsion?

 

Yes.

 

Yes... I think he's trying to make it obvious like I did in the Heroes game. If so good on him cause it helps us realize that it's not him being all weirdo on purpose.

[bgrishinko]

Give it up Verbal, we are not lynching him this round.

 

I don't think he can give it up. Has he given a single actual argument yet?

 

Maybe. I'm just going to ignore verb for now and not read anything into what he says then.

[bgrishinko]

Oh, and does anybody else think that Verbal's insistence on going after Aemon reads like Compulsion?

Yes.

Yes... I think he's trying to make it obvious like I did in the Heroes game. If so good on him cause it helps us realize that it's not him being all weirdo on purpose.

 

What is this effect called in Mafia terms?

[Alanna]

Yeah he would've given an argument by now. Best thing is to just ignore him.

[dapianoplay3r]

 

Here's the part that is still bugging me: quibby targets Red and hits me. Song does not see him. (ASSUMPTION) Piano and Ed both target me and get shunted to Red. Song sees them. Kwom targets Red and is not affected at all. Song sees him. Kwon blows the whole case apart unless he admits to deflecting or bus driving. If he were bus driving it would then be logical to believe that a/the healer and a mafia NK targeted Red and got shunted to me and we are still in the dark as to who did who to what. I am going to go back to my original vote of

 

that makes sense. the only thing is, that Player's respons of "i've been told my NA failed" doesn't add up in this scenario. which is why i'm getting suspicious of him again. i think at this point it is best for Kwom to fully reveal his role, this will shed light on the situation alot.

 

Aemon, who did you steal from, if you don't mind me asking. this could also clear up a few questions in this mess of a situation we have.

 

we also don't know what part Aust played in this whole thing, so theres an unaccounted for piece of the puzzle as well.

 

 

i have two main theories on what went on last night, but i need these two questions answered before i settle on one.

 

Red Ive played enough games to know that my NA doesn't add up and looks scummy. Im not going to lie tho and say I got a failed action on you. My PM specifically says Aemon by name. If I was scum surely it would be easier and more logical to lie and just say I failed getting info on you.

 

I told the truth because I thought it would help.

[Myndrunner]

Verbal is just one vote, and by not making an arguement, methinks we have a novice in the role of Doyle. I must say that in the Heroes game, Doyle was played beyond my expectations and it is unfortunate that he didn't win the game. Naeann can confirm that compulsion, or mind control, or the like, cannot control every aspect of one's actions. Verbal being uncharacteristically Verbal, even after being called out on it, makes a perfect case for compulsion.

 

I can't believe that out of everyone who targeted Aemon and/or Red last night that there isn't at least one that has its source from the Dark One. I believe Ed is innocent. I believe Songs. I'm lukewarm on Kwom, but it makes sense. Quibby and Piano?

 

unvote (just in case)

 

Vote DaPianoPlay3r

 

Anyone got a better target?

[Red2111]

Yes... I think he's trying to make it obvious like I did in the Heroes game. If so good on him cause it helps us realize that it's not him being all weirdo on purpose.

 

agreed. my only question is what it means that they want to push for Aemon to get lynched. i would think that having Verb vote for Aemon would qutomatically draw unwanted attention to it ya know.

 

is it n attempt to clear Aemon, or to implicate Verb? i'd have to agree with Mynd that its a very unexperienced move. of course, Verb is slick enough to fake something like that, just like Aust is slick enough to fake being silenced. i give both of them the benefit of the doubt right now, but this neither clears nor implicates them imo

 

 

 

What is this effect called in Mafia terms?

 

normally puppetteer or ventrilaquist is the role most similar to compulsion; those are both roles where you control a persons vote but tell that person where to move their vote on thread. it's similar to a vote stealer.

 

all are typically anti-town roles.

 

 

 

Red Ive played enough games to know that my NA doesn't add up and looks scummy. Im not going to lie tho and say I got a failed action on you. My PM specifically says Aemon by name. If I was scum surely it would be easier and more logical to lie and just say I failed getting info on you.

 

I told the truth because I thought it would help.

 

but this isn't the only reason i'm voting you. i cant see why a BD would cause your NA to fail. even something as specific as a RB or commuter would have still suceeded, just would have been targetted to me instead of Aemon.

 

so yes, technically your NA did fail to target Aemon, but in all honesty it woudl have hit me. as nothing negative that i know of has happened to me, i can't say this alone paints you as scum.

 

the main reason for why i'm voting you is your flip floping on revealing who you targetted as well as the tone of how you revealed who you targetted.

 

like i said before, first you decide to follow Ed and not reveal plus throw an FOS at Mynd for suggesting it. then once the votes piled up on Ed and pressure mounted; you basically went with what everyone was already saying and pulled a "yeah i targetted Aemon"

 

don't get me wrong, i still suspect Ed; but i suspect you more. i'm sorry if you are town and caught in the cross hairs, but i have to go with my gut Player.

[Krakalakachkn]

[color:red]VOTE PLAYER[/color]

 

We need information and without Aust here to defend himself...

[Vambram]

VOTE PLAYER

 

We need information and without Aust here to defend himself...

 

 

I agree.

 

VOTE PLAYER

 

[Locke]

Honestly, I believe all the people involved in this fiasco more to be Town than Mafia, but for the sake of information and the fact that the lynch doesn't seem headed anywhere else, Unvote

 

Vote Player

[ed2funy]

Ed - i had no NA last night so i'm not sure if it woudl have went through or not. because i stepped over the rules, Womby punished me by removing my Item and making me Vanilla for the night.

Aemon stole something from someone he feels is The Healer. you're not paying attention. he says this point was moot becuase the object he obtained came from me. no i'm not the Healer either, but that was my Angreal.

I don't really have much to add to the discussion (mostly because I don't have the time at the moment), but I'd like to remind that we should not believe people who claim they can't lie: we know how AS oaths work: they can't speak a word they think is a lie. So if they have been misinformed (why couldn't they be misinformed?) they can lie without knowing it and we all know that it is not forbidden to falsely hint character. So anyone can claim to be AS and say "I can't lie", but we wouldn't know for sure.

 

concerning AS & lieing, i think you have a fair point.

 

as for the claiming, i dunno. didn't Wombat basically say that all hints & reveals (both true & false) would be treated the same and MKd after what happened to me?

That clears things up that you had no NA. Will go into that later. Note bold.

 

Tell me Red. Why are you so blatantly lying? You did not start this game off with the Vora Sa'angreal. You have no right to claim this. Are you trying to appear innocent?

I see Kill's point, but I'm not lying. Plain and simple truth. If I could lie, I'd have actually come up with some good half truths.

 

 

Since I now know that the item was not originally his and I believe the healer got shunted over to me and is therefore in the clear, I stole the item from Ed. I have been trying to figure out how this info could help us, but I'm drawing a blank. The item was given to the first person to PM Wombat and ask for it, so it is really a null tell on alignment. I sent a PM for it as well, but I was too late. Right now I feel like we are just chasing our tails with the night actions. We have gotten a lot of good information from the discussions, but I just don't feel we are any closer to finding scum. It has turned into a crap shoot on Ed, Piano and Aust. Aust is pretty much immune to lynch today because he (possibly) has been silenced. Between Ed and Piano I don't really have a preference and that makes me hesitate.

Red is lying. The item was originally mine. All objects of the power belong to the WT, but if Red is an initiate, then she is of the Black for lying.

Regarding bolded: I don't get why you said this, but no, I started off with the item.

 

but Ed is claiming that he's not paying attention. by his own comments of "i'm not sure who Red is claiming as"/"we should ask Red if her NK went through" then honestly he shouldn't have known to PM wombat for the item in the first place. which if you did steal the item from Ed, and he claims his target stole from him; then i question this whole "i'm only half paying attention until i'm replaced" as a cover.

Aemon, that item you descirbed is exactly the item that Wombat took from me. it prevented me from being Role Blocked & i couldn't be stilled by an unaided channeler; also, the item (when i had it) could not be stolen. i asked Wombat alot of questions to start out with, and this is one i made sure to ask about. that item wasn't from the Helaer, because i am not the Healer.

my gut says to stay with this info. certain pieces dont add up, and i do think atleast one person in this tangle is scum. i've also got a gut feeling that there is more than 1 scum team, so we might have a scum from each side caught up in this mess.

 

maybe the reason why we can't choose between Player & Ed is because both are scum from opposing teams. both are equally scummy and have info that doesn't match up. Players whole "info" revelation felt forced imo. people have been mentioning "they probably both targetted Ed"

 

and Ed. well theres the stuff with his inactivity, yet he was quick enough to get my item form Womby. his post was really defensive imo and snappish. he claims that he wants to be removed from the game, but fights a lynch attempt. the last two are easily townie actions, but could also be used by scum just as easily.

 

yes, I am not really paying attention. Though, now that I see my name so much (when I skim, I look for anything addressed to me and actually try to read that post), and I see that you are lying, I am trying to make some effort to post at least once a night before bed before I am replaced.

Red, you had no NA for last night. My action would not effect you. I didn't know about PMing for your item until now. And it didn't come from you anyways. Aemon posted pretty big about the Vora sa'angreal, and I noticed that MY item was being talking about.

I am a smart skimmer....or well, self-centered skimmer. I look for things that pertain to me.

I believe Aemon also posted the description of the item (Really Aemon, why would you do that?!) and it's easy for you to go ahead and give the description back to us.

My gut says you are the scum for so blatantly lying.

Again, only active now because I'm trying to save this role. It's important, imo. But I saw nothing about you losing your power/item until long after Wombat posted it. Why would I just die. I'd rather be replaced, then lose a role for the town. Why do you want lesser town numbers?

 

- this also means that Ed is telling the truth; the player he targetted (Aemon) is the person who theifed from him.

 

 

yet Ed & Players Actions should have been re-directed to me; and so far as i know, nothing has happened to me. Player claims his NA Failed, yet the Bus Driver wouldn't have caused this tbh

 

 

so given this new info, and that i trust Player alot less than i trust Ed atm. VOTE: PLAYER

I've already told you I can't lie.

It was redirected to you, but it had no effect because you had no NA.

I trust you none.

 

 

Anyone got a better target?

 

Yes. RED

For lying so much.

That's my major post for the night. Don't expect too much crazyness from me until tmr, though, I'll try and check this thread for awhile more.

[hotpocket2006]

Red however did start out with an angreal, and it's similar to the angreal you discribed. I can confirm that much. So while it might not be that angreal, it is similar.

[dapianoplay3r]

I checked with wombat and I definatly didnt get any info from Red at all. Maybe aemon's character had an effect on me?

[ed2funy]

Red however did start out with an angreal, and it's similar to the angreal you discribed. I can confirm that much. So while it might not be that angreal, it is similar.

 

It's similar, but is the name similar too?

That's KIND of hard to mess up, imo. She said she even went over the PM.

 

I'll leave my vote for the night, and check tmr morn, as I am pretty sure the deadline is while I am in class.

[Locke]

You've known Red's been lying this entire time Song?

 

I would like to hear what Red has to say....

[Red2111]

That clears things up that you had no NA. Will go into that later. Note bold.

 

Tell me Red. Why are you so blatantly lying? You did not start this game off with the Vora Sa'angreal. You have no right to claim this. Are you trying to appear innocent?

I see Kill's point, but I'm not lying. Plain and simple truth. If I could lie, I'd have actually come up with some good half truths.

 

i am not lieing Ed. i never claimed to have started off the game with Vora Sa'Angreal. i did however start the game is an Angreal made for women that prevented me from being role blocked and stilled by an unaided channeler. Wombat did not include the Angreal specifc name in my PM. the Angreal which Aemon describe fits mine exactly and i'm wanting it back for obvious reasons; so yes, when i see an item that fits mines description i have every right to try and reclaim it.

 

 

i'm not trying to appear innocent, excuse me for being snappish with a player whose only now getting active 40 some odd pages in, but had you been reading and paying attention to the game this entire time maybe you'd understand the entire situation not just that which is surrounding you right now and wouldn't be basing your assumptions on half of the information.

 

yes i understand your situation, yes i'm friends with you, yes this will probably get a defensive retort from you. that is not my intention, only to point out that since you are becomming active, you might want to re-read posts concerning myself & Aemon before trying to make a false case abotu my alignment. because like you claim, i cannot lie either.

 

Red is lying. The item was originally mine. All objects of the power belong to the WT, but if Red is an initiate, then she is of the Black for lying.

Regarding bolded: I don't get why you said this, but no, I started off with the item.

 

it's possible that you might have started with an item, but your item does exactly the same as my item does. they are both Angreals and i know that mine has been taken due to my own fault. I am not Black either *switches Ed with a flow of Air* and i'd like people to note that you're the second person to imply this. i would think, after learnign that i had been punished and you claiming town, you'd go back and review why exactly i might have been punished Ed; and see that Blackhoof, whose thought by many to be scum, also accuse me of being Black.

 

once my corner reports flips, both of you will come to regret that accusation.

 

 

yes, I am not really paying attention. Though, now that I see my name so much (when I skim, I look for anything addressed to me and actually try to read that post), and I see that you are lying, I am trying to make some effort to post at least once a night before bed before I am replaced.

Red, you had no NA for last night. My action would not effect you. I didn't know about PMing for your item until now. And it didn't come from you anyways. Aemon posted pretty big about the Vora sa'angreal, and I noticed that MY item was being talking about.

I am a smart skimmer....or well, self-centered skimmer. I look for things that pertain to me.

I believe Aemon also posted the description of the item (Really Aemon, why would you do that?!) and it's easy for you to go ahead and give the description back to us.

My gut says you are the scum for so blatantly lying.

Again, only active now because I'm trying to save this role. It's important, imo. But I saw nothing about you losing your power/item until long after Wombat posted it. Why would I just die. I'd rather be replaced, then lose a role for the town. Why do you want lesser town numbers?

 

i don't want lesser town numbers, this would be why i'm dicussing things in such depth. this is why i cautioned against people revelaing too much info. this is why i've been pointing out False Dragons. all in the attempt to help the True Dragon walk the path in the light come TG.

 

i am not lieing abotu you Ed, i knw nothing about you other than we are both claiming the same Angreal. or rather claiming that both out Angreals did the same thing. you could very well be telling the truth, but in this game i don't buy coincidences. besides, your self admitted skimming and the fact you are arguing in the game without the full facts doens't make me want to give much credit to your words tbh. the only thing that keeps me actually reading what you post and talking to you is out of respect for what type of player & person i know you are.

[Red2111]

i'm also curious about Songs comments.

[Alanna]

I don't know if Ed is scum or not, but I really think people need to lay off him for not being active before. He has a busy schedule, he didn't realize how fast this game would move. If that hasn't happened to any of you before, then you don't have real lives. It's not so weird that he's trying now to be active to keep his role from getting modkilled, because he cares about the game, I think he wants to play, but he simply doesn't have the time. Those of you that have played with him know that he is usually active, mafia or town, and that he wouldn't be lying or lurking as some kind of scum tactic. I'm not saying that means he's not scum, I'm just saying, lay off him for not being active earlier already. Sheesh.

 

Anyhow. I'll need to make my vote tonight because I'm leavnig early in the morning for the airport. There's a good chance I'll be able to get on in the afternoon before the deadline, but I don't want to risk it, so I'll vote in a bit, once I've thoughts things over a little more.

[dapianoplay3r]

Does someone have a current vote count?

[keyholder21]

Hey guys, I had a super busy day (just like all of this week actually). I'm headed to bed, but I'll be on early in the morning (er...for me anyway) to post my thoughts and vote.

[hotpocket2006]

I have your angreal Red, that's how I know you aren't lying.

[Alanna]

All right, heading to bed now. I feel comfortable to VOTE PLAYER. Will try to get on tomorrow to check in on things, but I can't promise anything.

[Blackhoof]

We need to start consolidating votes today. I am agreeable with an Ed or Piano lynch. I can wait on the BG thing for awhile to try and clear up the mess that happened last night. I think Piano would give us the most information on a lynch, but I lean slightly more toward Ed being scum. Who do you propose we lynch? I am also curious why Kwom hasn't told us if he is a bus driver.

 

i agree. in the interest of a controlled lynch and with evidence of scuminess, i have no choice but to

 

VOTE PLAYER

[bgrishinko]

UNVOTE:

VOTE PLAYER