Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[WWWwombat]

Also, the alternate mafia win condition has been posted in the rules.

[aemonkristen]

A couple of questions for the Mod:

 

Were the seals given randomly, only to town or to a predetermined mixture of the two?

 

Is the breaking of the seals caused by player choice, an action by the player or something else entirely?

[Krakalakachkn]

As to Trench being Asmodean, I have a feeling that it is wayyyyyyy too obvious.

 

After doing an utterly exhausting reread, I have found the following:

 

Aemon is suspicious! But seriously, when is he ever not? I find myself instinctively doubting him as Dragon Reborn. Also, what kind of claim is a finder? I would think that more likely to be Logain. Besides, I highly doubt whoever is Logain or Taim didn't get the exact same role pm.

 

 

Also, I was thinking, do you guys think there is any chance of having warders that don't know their aes sedai are in the black ajah?

[WWWwombat]

PAFO

[DrewRiley]

PAFO

 

A+ answer

[Kwom Masbag]

Excellent writing Womby. Are you a member of the ACW Guild? If not, you should definitely join.

 

And what in the Light does PAFO mean?

[Alanna]

Play and find out

[Naeann]

No, seriously.... tell him what it means... don't make him hide and watch. :p

[Vambram]

Excellent scene, Wombat.

 

The idea of the Horn of Valere being out there is a very intriguing one. Who is going to get possesssion of it? Will it be the Mafia or the Town?

[Aust]

No, seriously.... tell him what it means... don't make him hide and watch. :p

 

That made me chuckle Nae ;)

[Naeann]

No, seriously.... tell him what it means... don't make him hide and watch. :p

 

That made me chuckle Nae ;)

 

 

It was Aust inspired. ;)

[keyholder21]

PAFO

 

This made me lol big time.

 

 

YAY! Awesome, we got one right off the bat! Everyone is right Wombat - excellent scene writing! I loved it.

 

 

Sorry I haven't been around to converse today ya'll - had a busy day with funeral things for a friend and I had to go to the urgent care clinic about my broken foot.

 

Definitely intriguing about the Horn! I wonder if the person in the write up who found it knows that she has it.

[Blackhoof]

Cool, we found the horn :) who gets it and what does it do? better be something cool....

[Adella]

As to Trench being Asmodean, I have a feeling that it is wayyyyyyy too obvious.

 

After doing an utterly exhausting reread, I have found the following:

 

Aemon is suspicious! But seriously, when is he ever not? I find myself instinctively doubting him as Dragon Reborn. Also, what kind of claim is a finder? I would think that more likely to be Logain. Besides, I highly doubt whoever is Logain or Taim didn't get the exact same role pm.

 

 

Also, I was thinking, do you guys think there is any chance of having warders that don't know their aes sedai are in the black ajah?

Yes. If it is something that won't throw off the balance of the game, and is in the books (especially 1-6) then I wouldn't put it past Womby to put it into this game.

[Red2111]

first off i can't say how happy i am about us getting a controlled lynch, that it ended up being a scum and that i'm still alive.

 

2nd - great writing Womby and i hope that who ever has the Horn is someoen who walks in the light

 

A couple of things are bugging me about this last post. First off is the bolded. You say you do not know who I am or what my alignment is yet you are fighting to the death to see me hang. Not sure if that's an entirely logical thing to do. You also have repeatedly tried to make me claim a character name when 1) that is forbidden 2) no one has recieved a character name to go with their PM. I was told only that I am the Dragon Reborn. This section of your post seems designed for you to come back to when you manage to kill me. "I said didn't know who or what he was. Don't lynch me because I told you." not buying it.

 

1st off, this is the last time i'm repeating my logic for you. your trying to get me MKd by making me say it any more obviously; that fact that your ignoring my obvious logic makes you even more scummy imo.

 

You claim to be the true Dragon

Rand is the real Dragon

I know that it is not possible for you to be Rand

there for, you cannot be the true Dragon Reborn

 

its as simple as that

 

 

next, i'm not trying to make you claim a character, nor have i pushed you too. the only thing i've encouraged you to do is to look at your PM closely for any hint as to your characters true identity, because you will find that it does not hint at Rand.

 

ofcourse i say i don't know who you are, becuase thats the truth. to say other wise would violate my oaths. the only info i have claimed is that you are not Rand, and i will stand by that until my dieing breath.

 

 

also, if you are town, it will be in both our interest and the towns interest to stop this circular discussion. neither of us is going to give, because both of us believe we are right. right now, i'm convinced your scum, and your convinced i'm scum; only your corner's report will convince me otherwise. so continuing the "am not, am too" arguement will only distract from finding other scum. it occurs to me that Aust maybe right, or that you might be compulsed. but i do not support, nor will i ever support your claim as the Dragon.

 

 

 

 

How am i sounding scummy? seriously? actually i'm not sure, this is my second game. i apologise if i inadvertently sound scummy,

 

its how your acting. the fact that you're trying to paint me as Black Ajah and your enthusiasm at having my item out there open for a potential scum to grab will severly implicate you once people get my corners report.

 

either way, you've put a target on your back. as town, scum can use this to get you lynched; as scum, it puts a neon "Scum Here" sign on your back.. not a good strategie in this game dude.

 

 

 

I didn't know what I was getting into when I said yes to this... Lol. How you guys saw into what people said I didn't even think of. If David ends up being scum I will be impressed. I feel like Rand when he is first introduced to the game of houses. I have a lot to learn.

 

thats actually a very adequet way to describe Mafia *grins*

 

 

 

I thought it would fit with the character. A solo that could screw up the actions of either side

 

see i disagree, i think faim, if he's in the game, is more likely to be a SK ... maybe with a single target (Rand) as his win Condition; considering how obsessed he becomes with Rand in the series.

 

 

I agree with both you Alanna and Aust. Be'lal was lame but that doesn't mean there isn't more. Aust, you made a great point about them not necessarily being together. I am still learning about the game Mafia but I was skimming through the 1st 6 books and there is one scene where there is Rahvin, Sammael, Lanfear, Graendal, and Moghedian in Tel'aran'rhiod. They really never end up working together though. Lanfear and Moghedian do their own thing and Graendal never gets Samael and Rahvin to work together. So I would assume that they are working independently or maybe in small groups. Maybe an experienced player can let me know if that is even possible in the game?

 

there can be any number of anti-town factions out there (jesters, cults, multiple mafias, serial killers(SK), assasins) so its limitless to guess on it right now; especially sicne we dont knwo how many night kills (NKs) we're dealing with.

 

normal ratio for town/anti-town is either 1/3rd or 1/4th ie, for every 1 anti-town role for every 3 or 4 town roles. if we have a cult .. well that just complicates things more

 

 

After my reread, here are the players I am most suspicious of:

Red- for obvious reasons

Trench- David spent quite a bit of time complimenting his poetry and how it "had the ring of truth" to it. David's "distraction" from the Song discussion did not look like a distraction to me, but more like trying to clear a teammate. I heard someone ask the question (can't remember who at the moment) What would the mafia gain by faking such a PR? and it just jumped out at me. He said it comes from his item. What if the scum have an item they do not want to lose? What better way to keep it than to make sure no one wants it?

BG- Crazy posts. "tell me you are lying and I will trust you". I don't know what kind of scum you are, but I'm betting you are not on David's team.

I'm getting the same opposing scum vibes from Alanna and AJ, but I really have nothing to back those feelings up with right now.

 

i'll agree with 2 out of 3 on this Aemon. you make good points about Trench, but i'm more inclined to believe his PR for now. even if it is made up, he should be appluaded for his efforts.

 

with BG, i also agree the quoted statement is odd. he's worth watching in the future.

 

my short list is

 

Aemon - stated reaons

Blackhoof - apparent gleefullness

Alanna - for what i consider to be applying more info in my words than i have, and her quickness to all of a sudden see scum somewhere else once people were backing off my lynch

BG - aside from the statement Aemon quoted, he's pinging me but i can't put my finger on it.

Mynd - his playing style ... a quiet Mynd makes me nervous ....

[Alanna]

In terms of attributing 'more information' to your words, Red, well, I don't know how else to defend myself there, because I just think you misunderstood me. I explained myself further, and you continue to say that I was twisting your words or something. The funny thing is, I wasn't the only one to say we should lynch you to see if you were telling the truth (which is what I was saying, by the way - that is all I meant by saying you had knowledge about Aemon that we didn't).

 

As for all of a sudden seeing scum elsewhere - David had been on the list of people I found suspicious, but I thought his erratic behavior might just be because he was new. I'd never played with him before. What's more, when I voted for you on Friday, I didn't think I was going to be able to get online again, and at that time, you had more votes than he did. However, I was able to get online on Saturday, and when I did, I saw that David now had many more votes. Since I already found him somewhat suspicious (and, honestly, as more votes piled on him, he began acting even scummier), I felt comfortable switching my vote to him. But the main motivation was simply to get a lynch.

[Red2111]

Alanna, the main thing pinging you with me other than (for lack of better words) twisting the meaning of my words, is you resoning behind keeping your vote on me.

 

1st you say "i don't understand Red logic against Aemon, and also imply that you believe Aemon over me. then you switch to "Red will give us the most info" to explain why your keeping your vote on me. than you switch to David, whcih is great cause it got us a scum; but i think there are multiple scum groups in this game, so i'm not discounting the fact that you could be on a different team than David or that you coudl be a solo and happy to lynch whoever.

 

 

as for why i'm listing all this info, well i don't think i'll survive the night so i'm getting it out there to leave ya'll with as much info as possible.

[Alanna]

Well, you're right, the main thing that first drew my attention to was that I didn't understand your logic, and to be honest, I still don't. At this point, I'm more inclined to think you're innocent, but I think you're being very stubborn about Aemon, who I also think is innocent. The logic you just posted above makes sense - (1)Aemon says he's the DR (2)you know he's not (3)so he is lying. However, you seem to refuse to see the other possibility that has occured to most everyone else - that Aemon is not lying because he truly believes he's the DR because his role PM said that he is the DR - which translates to, he's a false dragon, and therefore, could still be town and even have an important role. When you take that possibility into consideration, your dogged attempts to lynch Aemon suddenly don't seem very logical, and frankly, you're a smarter player than that. That's why I thought you were scummy. I no longer think you are scummy, I just think you're being very stubborn about Aemon. However, you did point out that the back-and-forth between you and him was getting to be a waste of time, and I agree.

 

I didn't 'change' my reasons in voting for you - I had multiple reasons. The first was the above. The second was that lynching you would tell us who was telling the truth. Unfortunately, I now believe that you're both telling the truth, so I don't know that lynching either one of you will really tell us anything about the other.

 

I wouldn't expect my voting for David to make anyone assume I'm innocent; there almost certainly are scum on his lynch, and, as you pointed out, there could be other anti-town elements that would have had no problem voting for him.

[Verbal32]

Having read the alternate win condition, this makes me nervous in a game with thief plays. If at some point we are able to identify a player that cannot be stolen from, or that we know is safe from NKs and is town, they need to be gifted with some of the seals. Not all - but some.

 

Especially now that the mafia's roleblocker is dead. Huge win for us there.

[aemonkristen]

 

as for why i'm listing all this info, well i don't think i'll survive the night so i'm getting it out there to leave ya'll with as much info as possible.

 

LOL. Same here, Red.

[WWWwombat]

I will be starting day sometime tomorrow. Today is a holiday and I would like more time to find replacements.

[Myndrunner]

Hmm, if multiple people are claiming to be the Dragon Reborn.....how can we tell who is the real one?

[alannalynn]

Hmm, if multiple people are claiming to be the Dragon Reborn.....how can we tell who is the real one?

Kill them all, let the Creator sort them out?

 

Haha... j/k. I would think their gifts probably have something to do with their character, but it would be too chancy to ask them to give their gift to someone else to prove who they are and there's no way to trust who checks either, so now I'm rambling.

 

I do believe, though, that if tomorrow is another Red/Aemon talking in circles, they're just trying to be a huge distraction, the way I see it. But I also believe most people are torn between the two and likely not to lynch either, I'm certainly not.

 

Verbal: How would it be at all safe to gift seals to one person? That would be like painting a target on someone for a 3 for 1 deal or some such, very dangerous, even if we think the person is safe from all kills. I get the concept, but I don't see it being likely.

[killuliu]

:D Nice conversations about logic.. But honestly, from my experience with werewolf games (they ought to be pretty similar to mafia, and so it looks like), we should not accuse someone wolf/mafia if they accuse someone else wolf/mafia, because that's not how it works :) Ofc. suspicious acting is totally different. And I also think that you two both (Red and Aemon) are speaking the truth as you know it. But as we know of Aes Sedai's oaths, they can not speak things they think are lies, so you could have been told someone's name as the true DR's name while he would be only a false dragon (why couldn't our game creator mislead few of us?). Ofc I don't know if you are connected to the DR somehow nor do I know who the real DR is (assuming Aemon is a misled false dragon) and all that is just assumptions.

And sorry for badly structured message, but I don't have just too much time at the moment :)

[dapianoplay3r]

@Red; you are right. If there is a Fain he would probably be the serial killer