Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[bgrishinko]

Well enough, bgrishinko. Are you a darkfriend?

 

Of course not. But there MAY be ways for me to obtain info others cannot.

 

 

Bgrishiko (UGH, I'll never spell is right without looking)... are you claiming finder and Dragon along with Aemon, or are you claiming finder, NOT Dragon? Hmmm?

 

Tigs: I agree about the head-hurt.. *sigh*

 

I wouldn't dare claim such things at this time.

Just call me Bg, that's fine.

 

What's this? why are you leading us in circles?

 

You are under the assumption that the only ways to obtain info are being the Dragon or claiming finder. That isn't really true. In any case, if I came out and claimed Dragon at this time, how would that make me look on the heels of Aemon claiming and my mistrust of him? Also that would make me dead meat for the Darkfriends at this time.

 

Also, I have never said a word that I did not believe to be true though it may have made my life easier if I had, and I regret having said too much.

[aemonkristen]

 

 

You are under the assumption that the only ways to obtain info are being the Dragon or claiming finder. That isn't really true. In any case, if I came out and claimed Dragon at this time, how would that make me look on the heels of Aemon claiming and my mistrust of him? Also that would make me dead meat for the Darkfriends at this time.

 

Also, I have never said a word that I did not believe to be true though it may have made my life easier if I had, and I regret having said too much.

 

That is almost as confusing as the "I'll believe you if you tell me you are lying". You say you are not counter-claiming then come out with the bolded. You can't have it both ways.

[Moon Sedai]

 

If aemon is not telling the truth, then by diverting attention to himself, he's protecting other people. Perhaphs he's protecting the people he was accusing throughout the game, such as Red.

 

wow, trying to distance yourself much? first you come out 100% supporting Aemon's claim; now you're trying to link me with him and cast doubt on his claim. as scum, its better to pick one story and stay with it, not flip flop like a a fisherman caught in his own net.

 

I'm inclined to agree with you, Red. At Risk of sounding like I'm Bandwagoning, I will UNVOTE/VOTE DAVID.

 

[bgrishinko]

VOTE DAVID

[Red2111]

OKay, in response to the new post by Red: it seems it may be possible that the false dragons, if there are some in this game, don't really know that they are false dragons. To answer your question about why would Logain, a good guy, false claim. Didn't Wombat say no one got specific character names anyway? Just that you might be able to figure out who you are from your PM.

 

take a look at your own PM. i know i for one had more than enough information to be 99% sure of who my character is.

 

with a PM concerning the real Dragon, Rand, don't you think there would be enough info in the PM to let him know 100% with out a doubt that he is the true Dragon.

 

even with the false dragons, there would be enough info ther to let them know they aren't Rand. with Taim, i'm assuming alingment alone would let you know, as everyone is 100% Taim is a Dreadlord.

 

 

You lost me on this post. It looked like you were counter-claiming and then you turned around and you "believe I am a false Dragon". That is a far cry from your first statement where you are calling me scum and saying your coroner report will prove you right. I'll be more than happy to see your coroner report after we lynch you.

 

I was not told what power I would receive, but I figured it would be something worth having. Since I have come out and am now a serious target I might as well reveal that the power I got was finder.

 

i'm not counter claiming you. I'm not the Dragon Reborn; but i know that neither are you. i don't know who you are, only that you are indeed a false dragon; and i call you scum because imo only scum benefit from false claiming as Dragon.

 

a finder claim ontop of being a False Dragon. WOW spare no expense in this false reveal stff huh? you sure do play big when you bluff

 

a finder claim makes nosense with a forced role claim Aemon. sounds liek someone stole your idea of claiming a protection ability so you had to improvise. i'm not buying this BS one bit.

 

 

The answer is easy, AJ. I was told in my role PM that I am The Dragon Reborn. How else would I know who I am? How would claiming the role of Dragon Reborn even be possible if I had not been informed that I, in fact, am the Dragon Reborn.

 

is there a chance, given character information recieved that you may be a False Dragon? such as a character discription of what you've been doing or who you associate with?

 

 

 

 

there was a bit much attention put on that one statement "ANYBODY CAN PROCLAIM THE DRAGON REBORN AT ANYTIME" I was still pretty convinced of this until his finder reveal. Now our only true, logical choice would be to let him survive the night and go from there. No, I'm not trying to defend him, but I also don't want to lose our finder Day 1 again! I'm still very curious as to what would happen if anybody else claims the DR in the same day as Aemon. Are there consequences? Are there rewards?

 

 

like Aust says, it's eae for him to claim finder and coast through the game without giving us scum. to add onto that, he could even get us to lynch an innocent claiming he's found scum then turn around and say "my finder role must have been niave!!"

 

 

think abotu it though. he's told us "i had to claim before Day 4 or remain vanilla" does a finder role sound like it would fit this scenario? especially now that he has a big target painted on his back for two reasons? not to mention now it has the possability of leaving our healer wide open to attack and as well as the real dragon.

 

if you were being forced to reveal in a game, a reveal that the scum would want dead or recruit ASAP; don't you think the reward for successfully revealing would be protection of some sort?

[aemonkristen]

I am SO glad my vote is already on you. That half reveal is pretty scummy as well.

[Red2111]

what half reveal Aemon??

[aemonkristen]

OKay, in response to the new post by Red: it seems it may be possible that the false dragons, if there are some in this game, don't really know that they are false dragons. To answer your question about why would Logain, a good guy, false claim. Didn't Wombat say no one got specific character names anyway? Just that you might be able to figure out who you are from your PM.

 

take a look at your own PM. i know i for one had more than enough information to be 99% sure of who my character is.

 

with a PM concerning the real Dragon, Rand, don't you think there would be enough info in the PM to let him know 100% with out a doubt that he is the true Dragon.

 

even with the false dragons, there would be enough info ther to let them know they aren't Rand. with Taim, i'm assuming alingment alone would let you know, as everyone is 100% Taim is a Dreadlord.

 

 

You lost me on this post. It looked like you were counter-claiming and then you turned around and you "believe I am a false Dragon". That is a far cry from your first statement where you are calling me scum and saying your coroner report will prove you right. I'll be more than happy to see your coroner report after we lynch you.

 

I was not told what power I would receive, but I figured it would be something worth having. Since I have come out and am now a serious target I might as well reveal that the power I got was finder.

 

i'm not counter claiming you. I'm not the Dragon Reborn; but i know that neither are you. i don't know who you are, only that you are indeed a false dragon; and i call you scum because imo only scum benefit from false claiming as Dragon.

a finder claim ontop of being a False Dragon. WOW spare no expense in this false reveal stff huh? you sure do play big when you bluff

 

a finder claim makes nosense with a forced role claim Aemon. sounds liek someone stole your idea of claiming a protection ability so you had to improvise. i'm not buying this BS one bit.

 

 

The answer is easy, AJ. I was told in my role PM that I am The Dragon Reborn. How else would I know who I am? How would claiming the role of Dragon Reborn even be possible if I had not been informed that I, in fact, am the Dragon Reborn.

 

is there a chance, given character information recieved that you may be a False Dragon? such as a character discription of what you've been doing or who you associate with?

 

 

 

 

there was a bit much attention put on that one statement "ANYBODY CAN PROCLAIM THE DRAGON REBORN AT ANYTIME" I was still pretty convinced of this until his finder reveal. Now our only true, logical choice would be to let him survive the night and go from there. No, I'm not trying to defend him, but I also don't want to lose our finder Day 1 again! I'm still very curious as to what would happen if anybody else claims the DR in the same day as Aemon. Are there consequences? Are there rewards?

 

 

like Aust says, it's eae for him to claim finder and coast through the game without giving us scum. to add onto that, he could even get us to lynch an innocent claiming he's found scum then turn around and say "my finder role must have been niave!!"

 

 

think abotu it though. he's told us "i had to claim before Day 4 or remain vanilla" does a finder role sound like it would fit this scenario? especially now that he has a big target painted on his back for two reasons? not to mention now it has the possability of leaving our healer wide open to attack and as well as the real dragon.

 

if you were being forced to reveal in a game, a reveal that the scum would want dead or recruit ASAP; don't you think the reward for successfully revealing would be protection of some sort?

 

The bolded section where you claim to know for a fact that I am not the Dragon Reborn. That was either a half reveal or you are just lying through your teeth to try and get me lynched today. I am calling you scum. You have now claimed to know something and that something and I know that what you have claimed is false

[keyholder21]

Holy crap lots of talking while I was at work! Apologies in advance for the long response, but I wanted to post my thoughts.

 

 

Let's say Aemon isn't a DF (or Mafia if you prefer). Let's say he even actually thinks he might be the Real Dragon Reborn.

 

Scenario A:

He is not real. Is it worth it to gain a power to pronounce now... only to discover later that you are not the One and deal with those consequences? Logain got gentled. Not good.

Scenario B:

He is the Dragon Reborn. Isn't it foolish to proclaim without proof? Despite getting a power, wouldn't you want to have something to back up your claim?

Rand was kept on the down low until he did something big enough to support his claims.

 

Either way, as a good person, declaring so early would be foolish except to gain a power. It doesn't do much to stop the Shadow.

As a bad person, well, it has potential to draw in supporters and followers. As we have seen already.

 

He can always re-pronounce later on when there is evidence that he is our great leader. No problems.

 

Scenario A: I think that would depend on the power that he receives. It's a risk, but I can see the reason to take the chance if you think you will get a good power to help the town.

 

Scenario B: And how exactly is he supposed to give proof in this game? He can't quote the mod PM word for word, and he doesn't have that supposed power, so how exactly is he supposed to let us know without a doubt that he is who he says? I don't think Rand was kept on the DL until he did something big enough to support his claims, he always was the Dragon Reborn (as others have argued earlier in this thread) and he just did what he needed to to stay alive, it wasn't a “I don't have enough proof yet, so I'm going to lay low” kind of thought.

 

As a good person, wouldn't having an extra power be a good thing for the town?

As a bad person – you're right on that account.

 

I still don't understand how you expect him to withdraw it now though. I think that would look highly suspicious after all the posting he's done supporting his claim.

 

I don't 100% agree with him, but I hardly think potentially lynching the town's greatest asset on day 1 is a good idea.

 

Aemon: Denounce yourself and you gain my trust.

 

I assume you are referring to this. I will not renounce because I truly am the Dagon Reborn. And your "I'll believe you if you admit you are lying" play is really making me scratch my head. How is that in any way a logical progression of thought?

 

That's what I thought. But his response kinds of explains it.

 

Really? I don't see how.

 

I'm glad AJ quoted the Rules about not including characters in role Pms, because I was going to do that if I didn't see it * g*. That's something that's making me doubt Aemon a bit more than I would otherwise. So they aren't included in role Pms, but Aemon's is? That seems a tad fishy.

 

 

MIGRAINE ANYONE? I know that I have one! My first reaction to Aemon's reveal was that he was just seeing what would happen. I have to admit, I was thinking about claiming it just to see what would happen...there was a bit much attention put on that one statement "ANYBODY CAN PROCLAIM THE DRAGON REBORN AT ANYTIME" I was still pretty convinced of this until his finder reveal. Now our only true, logical choice would be to let him survive the night and go from there. No, I'm not trying to defend him, but I also don't want to lose our finder Day 1 again! I'm still very curious as to what would happen if anybody else claims the DR in the same day as Aemon. Are there consequences? Are there rewards?

 

Agreed! Losing finder day one is no bueno! Despite the weird thing about his role being stated in his PM, this alone makes me wary of voting for him.

 

I find the discussion between David and Bgrishinko interesting, especially how Bg votes for David after David was calling him out for trying to lead everyone in circles.

 

I also find Ahmoondah's vote on David interesting. Not that I haven't been getting weird vibes from some of his posts, but rather that she quoted something that happened so early in the day. After so much discussion, I wonder why that one thing stuck out more than other comments.

 

At the risk of probably sounding like a fan girl, I have the same reservation about Red as Aemon does in the post above. How do you KNOW for certain that he's not? It's highly likely that he isn't, but claiming to KNOW? I call shenanigans.

[bgrishinko]

Good analysis keyholder, I like the way you think actually. Despite the fact you counter my arguments, you do so in a way that is clear, logical, and makes sense to me. I wish you were here earlier. I might not have said so much dumb stuff.

[Vambram]

Looks like its been an interesting day here. We even got someone proclaiming himself to be the Dragon Reborn much sooner than I thought someone might do so.

[bgrishinko]

I like your signature Vambram

[Vambram]

I like your signature Vambram

 

 

Thank you, bg. And I like your signature, also.

[WWWwombat]

Vote count

 

Song (2): blackhoof, Tigraine

Blackhoof (2): play3r, Mynd

Amadine (1): virtuhall

Play3r (1): nyn

TMD (1): Thorkin

Aemon (1): paetric

David Hermes (6): Locke, trench, Aust, Red, Ahmoondah, bgrishinko

Red (1): Aemon

Mynd (1): Quibby

bgrishinko (2): Verbal, David Hermes

 

With 37 alive, it takes 19 to lynch.

 

Deadline: Saturday 8 PM EST

[Alanna]

take a look at your own PM. i know i for one had more than enough information to be 99% sure of who my character is.

 

Actually, I'm not entirely sure who I am from my role PM. I have a couple different ideas, but I'm not sure. Maybe I'm just being dense, but I would consider myself a super WOT geek that gets that kind of thing. Some PMs may be totally clear, but it seems possible to me, judging by my own PM, that Wombat couldn't necessarily make them all crystal clear.

 

I'm glad AJ quoted the Rules about not including characters in role Pms, because I was going to do that if I didn't see it * g*. That's something that's making me doubt Aemon a bit more than I would otherwise. So they aren't included in role Pms, but Aemon's is? That seems a tad fishy.

 

I don't think his says 'Rand al'Thor,' I think he said that it says he's the DR. Which, of course, is he could be a false dragon, if such things exist in this game.

 

Eh. This is all maknig my head hurt too. A lot of odd things going around which could be scum, or could just be...well, odd things. I'm mostly uncomfortable with Red's hinting at a role/knowledge right now. David has been all over the place. I'm also nervous that all the suspicion on Song dropped when she got all upset, I think it could be a mistake to stop looking at her.

[Tigraine]

I know this is TOTALLY off topic but who is sammy-the emoticon?

[Myndrunner]

Mynd have you not read any of the game at all? lol

 

Honestly? No......

 

but I don't need to when the scum are so obvious!

[alannalynn]

Mynd have you not read any of the game at all? lol

 

Honestly? No......

 

but I don't need to when the scum are so obvious!

Are you looking in a mirror?

[hotpocket2006]

Mynd have you not read any of the game at all? lol

 

Honestly? No......

 

but I don't need to when the scum are so obvious!

 

haha you would ^^

[Verbal32]

Okay, are you hinting that you're a finder?

 

FOS for role fishing.

 

 

 

You lost me on this post. It looked like you were counter-claiming and then you turned around and you "believe I am a false Dragon". That is a far cry from your first statement where you are calling me scum and saying your coroner report will prove you right. I'll be more than happy to see your coroner report after we lynch you.

 

I was not told what power I would receive, but I figured it would be something worth having. Since I have come out and am now a serious target I might as well reveal that the power I got was finder.

 

i'm not counter claiming you. I'm not the Dragon Reborn; but i know that neither are you. i don't know who you are, only that you are indeed a false dragon; and i call you scum because imo only scum benefit from false claiming as Dragon.

 

a finder claim ontop of being a False Dragon. WOW spare no expense in this false reveal stff huh? you sure do play big when you bluff a finder claim makes nosense with a forced role claim Aemon. sounds liek someone stole your idea of claiming a protection ability so you had to improvise. i'm not buying this BS one bit.

 

 

Ok, Red. If you know for sure that Aemon is lying, then you just became the better lynch. Why? Because lynching a potential DR is not good....but lynching you would speak volumes on Aemon. I propose lynching you to gain information on a DR claimant.

 

Although, I will admit that Finder is the last power I'd think the DR would get. Just sayin'.

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Red

[Verbal32]

I know this is TOTALLY off topic but who is sammy-the emoticon?

 

Sammael, the Chosen. Scar on his face, not wanting to have it removed, blah blah. I hear Aridhol is a nice place this time of year.

[Blackhoof]

I know this is TOTALLY off topic but who is sammy-the emoticon?

 

presumably sammael.... the forsaken.... the blonde scarred dude.... :P

 

 

Anyway, this game is so complex!

 

For the record, i am of the firm opinion that Aemon is NOT the DR. It reeks of a scum trying to hide behind the mantle of the Dragon. Look at all this debate he has sparked! Confusion.... very scummy. he has successfully escaped lynching for now, but i can not stand by and watch scum escape judgement!

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE AEMON, the False Dragon!

[alannalynn]

Blackhoof what would you do in aemon's situatino? hmmmmm?????? just curious.

[Blackhoof]

I would keep my identity secret until a later time.... something like that. i dont know, really. :P im a noob, remember?

[Amadine]

At the moment i am torn between BG and Red. Both have given soft half reveals, both have tried to change what they previously posted in some way (Red with the Asmo thing - BG with the not daring to post thing) and both are going for Aemon - it's my general practise to not attempt to lynch a full reveal with so little corresponding information to go on.

 

One thing pushes Red a little in front and it's the knowing for sure that Aemon is lying that Verb quoted just now. So at this point in time i will

 

VOTE RED