Mesaana (Full Spoilers)

[Luckers]

Chick's in the White Tower. Figure out where.

 

Base points. Graendal stated she was disguised as Aes Sedai. RJ stated we'd seen her ulter ego by CoT and that we should have enough information to figure her out by CoT. Brandon was misquoted as disagreeing, but has since clearly stated that this was a misquote and that he stands by RJ's comments.

 

Discuss.

[NegaWalker]

The main question is:

 

What can Mesaana do with those Dream Ring/Weaver Ter'angreal that we don't know about? Obviously they must have even more uses with how 'excited' Mesaana was over them.

 

Heck, she might learn that Elayne is a Ter'angreal maker and the one who made them. That could be dangerous.

 

But Mesaana is going to do some nasty things with those rings. I'm sure of it.

[Firebird]

She can't be any of the three than Egwene mentions at the end of TGS, because none of them have ever been mentioned before. BS confirmed that she's still in the Tower, so she can't be Evanellein either since she fled.

 

BS says that Egwene's reasoning at the end of TGS is "not incorrect". Egwene muses that Mesaana may still be hiding in the Tower but knows how to defeat the oath road. I think this is the right answer.

 

When SH destroys Mesaana's mask of mirrors, Alviarin says that she looks familiar. Whilst this could mean that she is a servant or Laras [snorts], I think she is definitely Aes Sedai (as verified by Graendal's spies). I just don't see the Chosen demeaning themselves by playing the role of a servant, and we don't really know of any "high ladies" who live around Tar Valon.

 

So as an Aes Sedai, my money's still on Danelle. We haven't seen her for several books so there's no reason to suspect that she's left the Tower. I think she's still there and has beaten the Oath rod by swearing "I'm not Black Ajah" (because she isn't).

[Arani Lepenque Aes Sedai]

I just don't see the Chosen demeaning themselves by playing the role of a servant,

 

You'd be correct of course if the list of Chosen excludes Moghedien from the list...

[Firebird]

You'd be correct of course if the list of Chosen excludes Moghedien from the list...

 

A fair point! I'd forgotten that.  :D

 

However, in the confines of the Tower, where any passing Sister could tell you what to do, I just don't see it. I think Mesaana is far more likely to be one of those anonymous Browns who live in the library.

[Graendals favourite]

My chips are on Shevan. She is one of the new Sitters in the Tower, chosen after Elaida's coup. A Brown sitter, and I think her presences (occasionally when Sitters have met with Elaida) fit in well with Mesaana's discussions with Alviarin.

[AvroChris]

I quite like the thought of Danelle - wasn't she supervising the rebuilding of one of the libraries when the workforce started a scrap or something just before/during the breaking of the Tower, or am I getting things mixed up?

[havoc110]

I just don't see the Chosen demeaning themselves by playing the role of a servant,

 

You'd be correct of course if the list of Chosen excludes Moghedien from the list...

 

Or Aran'gar

 

How is it impossible for Tsutama to be Mesaana again?

[The Lost One]

Does anyone recall the last time we did see Danelle in the books?  She seemed like the best choice, but I don't remember seeing her for a while.  Do we know if she is still in the tower?

[el Nynaeve]

I quite like the thought of Danelle - wasn't she supervising the rebuilding of one of the libraries when the workforce started a scrap or something just before/during the breaking of the Tower, or am I getting things mixed up?

 

Some of those masons were actually soldiers meant to help with overthrowing Siuan. Danelle knew what it was and I believe helped organise it. I don't think we've seen Danelle since TSR.

[Firebird]

Some of those masons were actually soldiers meant to help with overthrowing Siuan. Danelle knew what it was and I believe helped organise it. I don't think we've seen Danelle since TSR.

 

Danelle appears - very briefly - in the Prologue of ACoS. Alviarin has been in a meeting with Elaida. She leaves Elaida's apartments and is walking through the corridors ...

 

As she went lower, sisters began to appear, many wearing their shawls, fringed in the colors of their Ajahs, as if to emphasize by formality that they were full sisters. They eyed her as she passed, uneasy often as not. The only one to ignore her was Danelle, a dreamy Brown sister. She had been part of bringing down Siuan Sanche and raising Elaida, but lost in her own thoughts, a solitary with no friends even in her own Ajah, she seemed unaware that she had been shoved aside.

 

Alviarin walks to her own apartments and Mesaana immediately appears before her wanting to know about her meeting with Elaida.

 

I think this is the last time we see Danelle.

[Shmuel Goldberg]

We don't know whether Danelle is among Verin's list.

[NegaWalker]

Well, we know Mesaana is more then willing to disguise herself as a Novice. And if she can disguise herself as a Novice, she could be Accepted or anything she likes.

 

She disguised herself as Else Grinwell for a while before it got too dangerous. When Mat saw her and so on.

 

Also, one wonders.

 

Will the 150 Black Ajah that fled the tower and elsewhere be given to Mesaana to control? Or what will happen to them? Brought to Moridin and intigrated into the Armies of the Night?

 

We'll see. But we have /alot/ of Black Ajah unaccounted for.

 

Even if it is only 1/10th of the total population of the White Tower are black, and 50 of those were executed, there are still alot alive and able to do alot of damage.

[Darkholme]

She disguised herself as Else Grinwell for a while before it got too dangerous. When Mat saw her and so on.

 

I have always assumed that it was Lanfear that had portrayed Else.

[jemron]

I'm 99% sure it was Lanfear who played Else too...

[mike-cook]

I'm reading The series again and i'm on The Shadow Rising and if anyone could answer this i'd really appreciate it..

Chapter 17, Deceptions - The Shadow Rising

near the end of the chapter the novice Sahra is on a farm doing penance and an Aes Sedai comes and interigates her and then kills her...Who is this person i cant figure it out...Was it Mesaana??

[MatrixM]

I'm pretty sure it was Liandrin or one of the other 13.

[Mkelly]

I'm reading The series again and i'm on The Shadow Rising and if anyone could answer this i'd really appreciate it..

Chapter 17, Deceptions - The Shadow Rising

near the end of the chapter the novice Sahra is on a farm doing penance and an Aes Sedai comes and interigates her and then kills her...Who is this person i cant figure it out...Was it Mesaana??

 

I always thought that it was Elaida and she was trying to find proof of Siuan being a bad Amrylin. Although i suppose Liandrin is a better guess than mine.

[Wonzer]

I'm reading The series again and i'm on The Shadow Rising and if anyone could answer this i'd really appreciate it..

Chapter 17, Deceptions - The Shadow Rising

near the end of the chapter the novice Sahra is on a farm doing penance and an Aes Sedai comes and interigates her and then kills her...Who is this person i cant figure it out...Was it Mesaana??

 

I always thought that it was Elaida and she was trying to find proof of Siuan being a bad Amrylin. Although i suppose Liandrin is a better guess than mine.

 

Elaida wasn't black so she couldn't have used one power to kill

[billig]

Some of those masons were actually soldiers meant to help with overthrowing Siuan. Danelle knew what it was and I believe helped organise it. I don't think we've seen Danelle since TSR.

 

Danelle appears - very briefly - in the Prologue of ACoS. Alviarin has been in a meeting with Elaida. She leaves Elaida's apartments and is walking through the corridors ...

 

As she went lower, sisters began to appear, many wearing their shawls, fringed in the colors of their Ajahs, as if to emphasize by formality that they were full sisters. They eyed her as she passed, uneasy often as not. The only one to ignore her was Danelle, a dreamy Brown sister. She had been part of bringing down Siuan Sanche and raising Elaida, but lost in her own thoughts, a solitary with no friends even in her own Ajah, she seemed unaware that she had been shoved aside.

 

Alviarin walks to her own apartments and Mesaana immediately appears before her wanting to know about her meeting with Elaida.

 

I think this is the last time we see Danelle.

 

long time reader first time poster.

 

While Danelle seems like a good choice do we really know/seen enough of her to make that call. BS/RJ have said we have enough information to determine who it is. Just because she is aloof & has no friends doesn't necessarily mean she is black.

[Sharaman]

Danelle is brown. Verin would surely have found a brown sister who was even slightly off-kilter since she was looking for Messy. Browns are knowledge-workers and scholars. To masquerade as Brown, Messy would need to not only look and act like said sister and mask enough of her power to pass(Easy enough let's say); she would also have to display the same specialised knowledge of exactly whatever the sister specialised in. That's really tough - you can look like a prof in an university but her colleagues will wonder what's wrong if you don't know that person's subject as well. A casual reference to say, a paper on insects in Mayene might trip her up.

Doubly dangerous for Messy because if she actually knew the subject, she might well know more than the AS she was pretending to be. That would be like a Nobel prize-winner trying to act like a raw sophomore.

Much safer to pretend to be a White sister (pure logic is a specialisation that Messy would surely know) or a Gray (grays travel and are solitary, less likely to have friends). Even a yellow (if she knows healing).

The unmasking by SH suggests she was using an ageless face since Alviarin found her only vaguely familiar like the way Salidar AS reacted to Leane and Siuan.

Her clothes (silk dresses, not accepted many colour-banded nor pure novice white) also suggests sister, not servant or novice-accepted.

She is not a (mere) Darkfriend. So, no hassles swearing on the Rod.

 

[mike-cook]

I'm pretty sure it was Liandrin or one of the other 13.

There's no way it was Liandrin or one of the 13 they were in Tanchico or heading there from Tear and the women havent rediscovered travelling yet.

[Aleron688]

Mesaana is dead!

 

Wooo! speculate on THAT! haha! lol

[smileyman]

I'm reading The series again and i'm on The Shadow Rising and if anyone could answer this i'd really appreciate it..

Chapter 17, Deceptions - The Shadow Rising

near the end of the chapter the novice Sahra is on a farm doing penance and an Aes Sedai comes and interigates her and then kills her...Who is this person i cant figure it out...Was it Mesaana??

 

I've always thought it was Mesaana.

[MatrixM]

Probably Alviarin, then.