Who Hopes Perrin/Egwene Dies?

[MikeRiley]

If she's tough on the Two River novices it because she wants them trained right.

 

You know, this is the very reason Elaida was tough on Suian and Moraine in New Spring, and tough on Elayne, Nynaeve and Egwene in the early books in the series. Although that was also in part due to their connection to Rand.

[Eleint]

I disliked Egwene a bit after about book 3 or so, once she decided to be Aes Sedai.  She only got worse as time passed.  But I don't want her to die.

 

I do want her to realize that she's doing the exact same sort of thing she sniffed and harangued Rand for, though -- using people to accomplish goals, being harsh when necessary, and leading.  Really, latter Egwene is very similar to Rand, other than the insanity stuff (hardness, LTT's insane rants).  I just want her to realize how hypocritical she was/is, and get past that, and realize Rand -had- to do the things he was doing with Tear and Cairhien and such.

[spothistto]

However annoying Egwene and Perrin can sometimes be, I don't want them dead. It would go against RJ's style and this just wouldn't be right.

[Razor]

When listing Elayne's accomplishments, don't for get 2 imprrtant ones not listed

 

1. She learned to make terengal....dream rings, cuelindar, adam

 

2. Only one of Rands triumvirate to conceive dragonets.

 

 

I disliked Egwene for a while but think her captured character rocks and realize how important her time with the wise ones was to her character development.

 

Remember Rand/Mat/Perrin are a tripod, cut one leg and all three fall/fail.

[mb]

For Perrin, his death would have to come after he gains the crown of Saldaea; and he also has to this part from the Karaethon Cycle:

"When the Wolf King carries the hammer, thus are the final days known."

 

For Egwene, her death would probably need to be after the White Tower is united under her and probably after Rand faces the Amyrlin.

 

Forgot other predictions about them::

Perrin: saving Rand a second time

Egwene: bonding Gawyn

 

[Ziggdiezan]

I hope when Rand and Eqwene as the Amyrilin (i cant spell) meet, Rand tears her a new whole. It will be funny cause she will try to command him around like crazy and through a fit. Rand might also go into a rage, will be very funny cause when they meet Rand will probally have more than his hand gone.

Egwene also thinks she has gone through so much and knows so much more than other people, that is one of my many reasons for disliking her.

[Vambram]

I believe that Perrin AND Egwene are two characters whom have both been through many personal crisis; but they fought, never gave up and overcame those crisis. To me, for many reasons, both Egwene and Perrin are wonderful characters whom I really like alot. My favorite characters in WOT are Rand al`Thor, and al`Lan Mandragoran. But I still like all of the rest of the major characters; with the exception of Elayne even though I do like the good things she has done.

[Beli Tsar]

Personally, I hope Perrin doesn't die. Up until the later books, Perrin was perhaps the most respectable of the Ta'veren. I mean this to be no knock on Rand at all, but Perrin had the deepest sense of duty and was the first to embrace it. Trying to avoid the wolves doesn't count against him, because he had no clue what exactly that meant and was trying to hang onto being a man. He recognized almost immediately the ties binding him to Rand after the drawing of Callandor, and aside from some minor grumbling, seemed to understand that Rand couldn't personally see to the Whitecloak problem in the Two Rivers, but he at least could.

 

I'm hoping for a redemption of Perrin's sense of duty that seemed to be obscurred by what became an overwhelming obligation to Faile after her capture. Even then it has to be taken into account that a love like he felt tends to make people irrational and it's perhaps irrational of level-headed observers to expect him to react rationally.

 

Speaking of Faile off topic, I just re-read Shadow Rising and from about the time they reach the Two Rivers to books end I think we see her at her greatest and most likeable self... Just a shame that she had then lose all our goodwill.

 

But yeah, look out for Perrin to redeem himself in our eyes now that he won't have the distraction of Faile's capture to keep him off the path he knows he must walk.

[Muad Cheade]

I really don't see why people dislike Perrin. He's my favorite character, followed closely by Mat. Perrin has a strong sense of duty and he's nearly always methodical and thoughtful in his thinking process, something the other two ta'avern could learn from. I think one of the reasons Robert Jordan made Perrin so focused on freeing Faile is to show not only how much he loves her but also to show that nobles like Weiramon aren't the only ones willing to pursue other things with Tarmon Gai'don approaching. He's always willing to do what is needed to be done and is a natural born leader which is one of the reasons he's my favorite. Plus, his greatest role will be after Tarmon Gai'don as the world needs a builder and he is the Creator in relation to Rand and Mat's Destroyer and Preserver respectively. I hope there's an outrigger novel about him.

 

The same goes with Egwene. She is perhaps my favorite female character. She's very strong in both the Power and character-wise. I believe she is going to be the strongest Amyrlin in history and also the longest serving one. She also is going to be a strong leader in the Post-Tarmon Gai'don world. The fact that she was able to keep from drowning in the three currents of the Salidar Aes Sedai is amazing along with the fact that she is pretty much the only Aes Sedai the Aiel Wise Ones actually respect. Plus, her time in the Tower from KoD was one of my favorite scenes. Can't wait for the Egwene/Elaida confrontation.

 

All in all, I don't understand the dislike of those two. They're pretty good characters and strong in their own  ways. Can't wait for AMoL.

[Lujen]

Before ToM I would have agreed with you about Perrin (he was so annoying) but for most of the series I have been hoping for Egwene to be brutally murdered.

[randsc]

 

 

I love Egwene, and do not understand the animosity toward her. She's smart, she's tough, and she's from the Two Rivers.

 

She is a woman, that makes a lot of difference to some people.

Looking at what she gets criticised for, pretty much everything is just as true for Rand, but with him it seems easier to accept.

 

I wonder is repeating the same tired, discredited nonsense for the 4-millionth time will make it true? Mmmmmm, nope. Still BS.

[Puny]

 

 

I love Egwene, and do not understand the animosity toward her. She's smart, she's tough, and she's from the Two Rivers.

 

She is a woman, that makes a lot of difference to some people.

Looking at what she gets criticised for, pretty much everything is just as true for Rand, but with him it seems easier to accept.

 

I wonder is repeating the same tired, discredited nonsense for the 4-millionth time will make it true? Mmmmmm, nope. Still BS.

 

Majsu: Jag håller med randsc. =P

I doubt it´s because she is a woman. I like Tylin, I think she is a great leader for Ebou Dar atleast, she knows what she is doing and she keeps Carridin at bay. I love Cadsuane, a strong powerful AesSedai woman that sees people and not pawns in an Aes Sedai scheme, I love Aviendha who has a strong will, sense of duty and honor and is committed to save her people, I like Nynaeve, no need to explain why. They are all very powerful women. The argument that she is disliked because she is a woman, a powerful one at that, is skitsnack as we say in Sweden. Sure Rand was arrogant, kinda hot, intimidating, hard and used people for his own good. He was also descending into madness, had Forsaken wanting to kill him, nobles licking his boots, Aes Sedai kidnapping and torturing him for days, pressure from all sides, Fain wanting him dead, creepy wounds that hurt all the time, mindraped and so on. He had his reasons.

Egwene what is her reason for suddenly being all lovedovey towards the AS, using her "friends", being an awesome political leader and so on that we have seen in countless threads here. Saying that she is disliked cause she is a woman is taking the easy way out.

[Gordar]

If an arranged marriage took place between the DO and Egwene, I think I'd feel sorry for the DO. I even have an idea (it's not a theory yet) that if Rand manages to kill the DO, Egwene will replace him (& the world would probably be worse off). As you might guess, I wouldn't mind if Egwene's intestines were eaten by a trolloc baby who only has a few teeth, while Egwene herself is constantly healed & being kept awake so she can enjoy the full experience.

 

I don't really dislike Perrin anymore.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

I wonder is repeating the same tired, discredited nonsense for the 4-millionth time will make it true? Mmmmmm, nope. Still BS.

 

aren't all of these hate threads pretty much repeating the same thing 4 million times?

 

imo. . . personal hatred is a pretty subjective thing to argue about.

 

and wow, 2009. . . good to see someone's more bored than i am.

[Awakened]

like giving the Seachan over 200 wise ones to leash, if rand somehow doesn't get the deal that is VERY bad for him

 

At least this way those useless Shaido Wise Ones will fight at the last battle rather than helping their honorless clan find more villages to rape and pillage. Their being taken was probably of the Pattern. It was also probably a punishment from the Light since they almost had to know who the real Car'a'carn was.

[Feral]

Would like Egwene to die. Feel the same about Perrin, but would feel sorry for Faile if that happened.

[WhiskyJack]

Egwene has not gotten laid yet. While life screws everyone, I don't want a virgin to die.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

i used to think that when i was one, but it turns out it's not that big a deal once you're not.

 

also, not sure that she is, as there was lots of canoodling (sp?), and RJ tends not to write the naughty bits. unless something was said in TOM.

[Feral]

Oh yeah I'm sure that's what she'd be worrying about just before a huge whopping great ball of fire took her head off lol.

[Apple13]

I'm not the greatest fan of either Perrin or Egwene but I think it would be bad for the people of Randland if either dies. So I dont think either of them will die. If anyone important were to die, it's probably Lan, Nynaeve, Min or someone like that. You know, people who are important to the main story, but don't really have a lot of work to do after the last battle.

[mb]

To me it does not matter who dies or who lives, as long as they fulfill their prophesied parts.

 

For Perrin, his death would have to come after he gains the crown of Saldaea;

That's more foreshadowed, than prophesied IIRC, but I do agree that will happen.

Broken Crown Viewing. Eye of World.

Though I agree there being some non-prophecy foreshadowing about it.

[Hopefire]

I don't see why anyone would want Egwene dead.

 

If someone really dislikes Egwene, there's a lot worse than death that can befall her. Consider the following scenario at the conclusion to the series:

 

A. The White Tower's power political has been marginalized, due to nations growing strong to the point where they can feel confident in disagreeing with Tar Valon and not suffering repercussions.

B. The White Tower's claim to its strength has been marginalized, as other groups have emerged that possess men and women who can channel in greater numbers than the White Tower.

C. Egwene manages to offend Elayne by ordering Elayne Sedai to stand with the White Tower against Rand; Elayne leaves the Aes Sedai organization so as not to be bound by Tower law, and Egwene loses her most powerful ally and a good friend.

D. Egwene manages to offend Nynaeve the same way, losing another friend and in the long term a huge amount of influence in the Borderlands.

E. The Wise Ones learn of Egwene sneaking off into TAR when she wasn't supposed to, and what she did to Nynaeve to preserve her secret. Further, Egwene refuses to meet her toh to Rhuarc when he shows up at FOM. The Wise Ones opinion of Egwene drops dramatically and she loses their respect.

F. Rand appoints Berelain and Galad to ensure that the Dragon Peace holds, and Mayene becomes Wheel of Time equivalent of the United Nations, with embassies from every world power there, and disputes between the world powers arbitrated by Berelain.

 

If all of that were to come to pass with Egwene as Amyrlin, I think that her life might be a long and bitter one. If you dislike Egwene, hope for that scenario to come to pass: Egwene knowing that she was at the helm when the White Tower slipped from being the most important institution in the world to being just another school.

[USURP888]

Now that the whole Faile Kidnapping plot is over, Perrin has really become exciting to read again. I find myself rereading his story in TOM at least 4x already. I really like how his character is being developed so I don't want to see him die.

 

Egwene is a great AS leader. I don't personally think the AS should command the same clout as pre Dragon Reborn but that is a far cry from wanting their leader dead. Hopefully there is a twist or a development to Egwene's character come AMOL so I can get back to liking her again, right now I don't like her so much.

[DemandredFO]

I don't want Perrin dead. He was a idiot for a while, but so has everyone in WOT. Only one that's still an idiot is Egwene. I really hope perrin owns Egwene again in TAR. Perrin can't die until after TG and probably beyond. Rand is probably going to be off fighting the DO directly for most of the book, Mat is the greatest general alive but to easily manipulated, so Perrin and Faile must survive to hold the coalition together. Fortuona is the wildcard there. I'm just waiting for Rand to sit in the Amarlyn seat.

[Ingtar Shinowa]

I never hated Perrin, I hated RJ for taking a great character and writing him as a whangsty emo tool. Fortunately, BS has saved the character and the series for me. So, no, I hope Perrin kicks major ass in the final book.

 

Egwene? Yes please.