90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[dicetosser1]

  On 4/24/2025 at 12:36 PM, DPR said:

Im not pushing an agenda lol, I’m calling you a false claimer. That’s as straight forward as it gets. 
 

Man, I haven’t even mentioned meta yet because I’ve tried to present posts and logic, but imo there is no world where towndice cop comes back after night and tap dances through an infomercial of raisins before claiming no result. 
 

Towndice would post once as soon as night was over - it would sound a lot like “I got no result. If you don’t like it, I don’t care.” 

lolman I’m sorry (and a little jelly) you got this two games in a row 🤣

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let’s look shall we?

 

 

  On 4/24/2025 at 12:39 PM, Turin Turambar said:

No. I was voting Verb. 

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thanks
 

  On 4/23/2025 at 12:40 AM, Darthe said:

Compromised from the start.  The sentence hung in his head as the silence stretched.  What the hell was he getting himself involved in?  Jacobs looked his perp over once more, his eyes finding new layers of detail in the mysterious man across from him.  Body turned towards the door, always ready for the threat.  Hands cuffed to the metal desk, but with all of the chain pulled to one side to give him a bit of slack if he needed to move, or to throw something.  A hidden weapon perhaps?  The blood-crusted, torn shirt he was wearing occasionally revealed a matching wound underneath, but despite his situation this fellow looked as nonchalant as if he were taking a walk in the park.  Jacobs wasn't sure if he really cared about his lost teammate or if it was all an act.  He waved a hand over his head and a moment later the rookie walked in, staring at this guy like he was straight out of an action movie.  

 

"Hey rook, can you bring officer John and I a cup of coffee please?"  He hated using the kid like this, but there wasn’t time for anything else. He needed to stall for a break to collect his thoughts. Besides, he needed a second alone.  A stony-faced nod and the door closed again, leaving Jacobs and John in silence.  

 

"I heard about something like this once before" Jacobs started. "A team, elite team, brought together but someone else is pulling the strings.  Patient zero implies there are more to come, and I'm sure you wanna get into all of that, but before you go any further I gotta know something and I need you to be very clear in your answer.  Is this game over?"

 

John gave him a look-over as if he were seeing him for the first time.  He held that for only a moment before flicking his eyes towards the camera, subtly.  

 

"I got that covered.  The kid's loyal, the whole damn system's so old it's still recording on a VHS in the other room.  You're safe for now."

 

A nod, and John sat back in his chair again.  He seemed to relax a bit for the first time since he'd been brought in, taking a moment to stretch his muscles and even close his eyes.  Finally, he began to speak, a soft growl that could almost have been a whisper.  

 

"Sorry to say I don't think so.  Keep your eye out for a Falken, if you wanna stay alive.  I-" Light cut into the room as the door opened again, Jacoby obediently delivering two styrofoam cups, wisps of steam curling out of their tops. By the time Jacobs turned his head back, John was in his old position, rigid as ever.

 

Jacobs took a sip and blanched, the rookie'd brought him decaf.  John started back into his story.

 

"You can imagine the ride back was unpleasant.  We had almost nothing to go on but a clue and a prayer, and most of us didn't pray.  Our handler from the agency got to work tracking down the wargames reference and the team all found an opportunity to check in on their families.  While they took their turns at phone access on JBSA first class, I watched.  And so did Sprout."

 

"Sprout?" he asked.  "I need names John."

 

"I'll give you what I can here.  We all had codenames, industry standard, and some people never went by anything else in the years I knew them.  Mason went by Gaoler."  Jacobs nodded, taking what he could for now.  "So.  Sprout had noticed, maybe the same thing I had, maybe something different.  I knew I'd need to follow up there, but first I wanted to get what I could from the phone calls.  In short, several of the team couldn't reach whatever loved one they called.  Flash, Strummer, Bedrock, Gump... All called Southern States home, all East coast.  The Agency had people at those homes before we could've gotten the plane refueled, but it didn't satisfy any of those poor souls to see the footage as CIA grunts combed their homes.  Their families, wives, kids, co-ed 'bestie' in one case, gone.  At every single house someone had spray painted a stencil on the walls.  A letter for each of them, N, M, R, A.  Military stencil, not just roughed on."  

 

"Just reinforcing that this was always the plan.  They knew the houses they were hitting, the efforts were coordinated." he said.

 

John nodded.  "That our homes weren't being watched already was a shock to us, it's standard to have protection.  Especially on assignment.  An oversight, or inside help?  Sprout was putting together the pieces, I could see the puzzle forming together in their mind.  But I didn't trust.  That's the insidious thing in this line of work, you can never fully trust.  Those four wanted to head off immediately, but there was just no leaving until we had a clearer sense of direction.  I watched them all night, while the others slept.  It was under the guise of wanting to assist, but my real intention was to catch an inside man.  Misdirection."  He somberly shook his head.  "By the time Dusty and I went to get a few hours of sleep the deed was already done.  Slacks was found hanging from the rafters in the barracks, not a single clue left behind except the L carved into his chest.  They were taunting us.  We overturned every corner, woke every single person, reviewed every camera.  Not a shoe-print, hair, spot of blood, nothing was out of place.  Dusty started futile compressions when we got him cut down.  His fist was smeared with blood.  Ten seconds passed.  I thought for sure he was gone, but with a start Slacks shot up, sucking in air.  Dusty is truly a miracle worker.  Not long after that I received a text on my phone.  Both of us did."

 

You lingered too long, so a debt has been paid,

Hung from your barracks, a body was laid.

Carved with a letter,

Part of the clock’s tether,

Now chase down the hour we’ve made.

 

The hair was standing on Jacobs arms,  "Jesus.  What the hell does that mean?"

 

"L.  The letter L.  Short hand, and long hand.  Three o'clock.  We had three rats in our midst.  More important though, they didn't know about Dusty yet.  If we could play our cards right, we had an advantage."  

 

In the room behind him, a clock ticked. Once. Twice. Thrice.  The young Officer Jacoby, watching from the other side of the glass, shivered at the coincidence.  

 

Jacobs felt, for the first time, that he might not be ready for the answers he was asking for.

 

It is now Day Two.

Day ends in 48 hours.

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darthe starts day at 1040 am my time

 

at this time I was catching up and quoting things to come back at rand 

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 12:56 AM, DPR said:

@dicetosser1 you’re up. Watcha got? 

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1056 dpr asks what  ive got

 

between this and the next quote here is my big mq I’d been working on

 

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:45 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

Then you get to die as scum.

 

 

 

Already taken. 

 

 

 

 

Surprise Surprise I go no result.

 

Should I share who i viewed?

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next post and oh look! I came straight out and said I got no result!!!

 

I even volunteer to say who I viewed

 

now I admit I didn’t give any attitude with it. In fact I was helpful when he wanted more detail.

 

why? A) cause it’s the town thing to do as an outted cop. I should be sharing as much info as I can

and b) not doing a) helps scum not town and I’m town

 

so wanna take another swing about me not coming straight out with it

 

Note in case I need it again this is at page 42

 

[dicetosser1]

  On 4/24/2025 at 12:44 PM, Tigraine said:

VOTE: DPR

 

explanation will be coming.

 

i have to go back to the beginning of day 2 

 

Stand by 

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@tigraine. Got that explanation?

[SinisterDeath]

  On 4/24/2025 at 11:33 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

 

Lol why have you got a Guest?

 

Who's come for dinner hahaha

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*Admin Hat*

 

Yeah.... so it turns out that behind the scenes, the DM Mafia Games subforum, was the one and only subforum on ALL of DM that had guest permissions to post. Elder Haman, managed to delete the two guest posts before I got to them this morning.

 

I've fixed that permission so that shouldn't happen again.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

@Turin Turambar There already is a competing train on Tig. Why are you starting a new one? Isn't that a little unhelpful at this point?

[DPR]

  On 4/24/2025 at 1:26 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

let’s look shall we?

 

 

 

thanks
 

 

darthe starts day at 1040 am my time

 

at this time I was catching up and quoting things to come back at rand 

 

 

1056 dpr asks what  ive got

 

between this and the next quote here is my big mq I’d been working on

 

 

next post and oh look! I came straight out and said I got no result!!!

 

I even volunteer to say who I viewed

 

now I admit I didn’t give any attitude with it. In fact I was helpful when he wanted more detail.

 

why? A) cause it’s the town thing to do as an outted cop. I should be sharing as much info as I can

and b) not doing a) helps scum not town and I’m town

 

so wanna take another swing about me not coming straight out with it

 

Note in case I need it again this is at page 42

 

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Okay, point accepted. I should have looked back but I’m rushed for time this morning and skipped it. 
 

What I am referring to are the extended explanations you’ve given. Those are why I posted the “I don’t care” part as a contrast of what I would expect from towndice as opposed to over explaining mafiadice. We’ll see

[Verbal32]

  On 4/24/2025 at 11:29 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

 

What even was that slip anyways? Do you know what it was? What was the mis rep? Do you think DPR is Mafia? If so, why not vote for him yourself instead of encouraging others to vote for him.

 

I was just seeing DPR agree with me that a sudden defense of someone I'd voted was not normal behaviour. And Marsh even said he did that to see what would happen. But I thought he only said he planned it because I was voting him and then other people were voting him and he'd got backed up in a corner. So I'm like good, I'm not the only person who thought that was super suss.

 

I was wrong though.

 

I dunno, I just think that if DPR was mafia he'd be doing more than telling us to think for ourselves and re-read certain things.

 

I'm pretty sure a Mafia would want people to do more than 'form their own opinions' and he seems genuinely frustrated that they can't see something that's super obvious to him?

 

I think Mafia DPR would have just told us what was so important because then it would have helped the Mafia team for us to know.

 

I see you also being very neutral about everything and wanting players opinions on other players. 

 

Why don't you tell me your thoughts now on DPR?

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If DPR is scum, this is the scummiest post in the game thus far.  The bold in particular is just "yuck".  Mafia are supposed to look like town - why would they try and nudge people to vote?  That would look scummy.  Do you recall the post I made about how DPR appeared to be setting the table and seeing who would come eat?

 

If one of these is scum, very likely the other is as well.

 

 

 

  On 4/24/2025 at 11:51 AM, DPR said:

 

 

 

 

Onto new business. The above posts are in order of occurrence. I pinged when Heavy described how the condemner role worked - I said so - and then Darthe made his official post. 
 

Now, I don’t want be framey lol, so I’ll just ask: Does anyone else see that Heavy described the role with details that nobody else knew, and then Darthe confirmed it? 
 

 

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I know others have commented already, but it's true.  This is not a good look - Darthe was clear enough when he admitted skimming the wiki role.  You're trying to not be framey.....while being framey.

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/24/2025 at 1:51 PM, Verbal32 said:

Do you recall the post I made about how DPR appeared to be setting the table and seeing who would come eat?

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I do. But I thought you meant he was setting something up to catch the Mafia. 

[DPR]

  On 4/24/2025 at 1:51 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

If DPR is scum, this is the scummiest post in the game thus far.  The bold in particular is just "yuck".  Mafia are supposed to look like town - why would they try and nudge people to vote?  That would look scummy.  Do you recall the post I made about how DPR appeared to be setting the table and seeing who would come eat?

 

If one of these is scum, very likely the other is as well.

 

 

 

 

I know others have commented already, but it's true.  This is not a good look - Darthe was clear enough when he admitted skimming the wiki role.  You're trying to not be framey.....while being framey.

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Again going out of your way to see things  from the opposite view. 
 

I specifically pointed out that Heavy used the term “random” with confidence when we didn’t know about it yet. 
 

I pointed out a possible slip. I also have him as null. 

 

“Framing” is when you try to push a narrative. I’ve presented an instance of a possible slip. That’s called “playin mafia” 

 

Oh skibidi, I hope you’re playing it straight. 

 

[DPR]

I wish people were really reading 

[DPR]

Especially people that do things and then accuse others of doing them lol

[DPR]

  On 4/24/2025 at 12:44 PM, Tigraine said:

VOTE: DPR

 

explanation will be coming.

 

i have to go back to the beginning of day 2 

 

Stand by 

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I really am rushed for time today - I waited but now I gotta go, so when I don’t answer right away, please don’t pull a Rand lol. 

[Verbal32]

  On 4/24/2025 at 1:59 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

I do. But I thought you meant he was setting something up to catch the Mafia. 

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You didn't catch the overall tone of my post?  I think it's interesting that a clearly sus post towards DPR would be viewed as me saying something townie of him.

[Verbal32]

  On 4/24/2025 at 2:15 PM, DPR said:

“Framing” is when you try to push a narrative. I’ve presented an instance of a possible slip. That’s called “playin mafia” 

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What do you call the angle you're taking that Dice can only be scum?

[Tigraine]

  On 4/24/2025 at 2:24 PM, DPR said:

I really am rushed for time today - I waited but now I gotta go, so when I don’t answer right away, please don’t pull a Rand lol. 

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Not trying to slow roll you here.  I just spent over an hour quoting the things I needed to and my comments only for it to ALL suddenly disappear when I went to the next page (keep in mind it had stayed for over 10 pages so idk why it went away)

 

Any chance y'all would be willing for me to screenshot the quotes (the quotes only) so they're all together and I can give my responses all at once (idk if screenshots are even allowed, last time I played, I didn't know what screenshots were lol)

 

Or do you prefer i just go page by page, Quoting the things in each one...I'm just afraid that might get confusing.

[Tigraine]

  On 4/24/2025 at 1:29 PM, dicetosser1 said:

@tigraine. Got that explanation?

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Okay, he enters day 2 talking about possibilities on why there was no NK. When anyone else enters a theory he says they're muddying the waters and their ideas are ridiculous...we should stick to facts.

 

Later he talks about page 32 and won't tell exactly what it is we're supposed to see, kinda implies we'd be idiots to not see it, then talks of wanting everyone to come to their own conclusion...that's not muddying the waters?

 

He's contradicted his words and actions on multiple occasions (that's all the stuff I was trying to quote) but more than one person pointed it out over the 10-12  pages i made it through.  

 

I can show the evidence, I may just have to do it page by page.  Not trying to confuse anyone by making multiple posts but I don't relish the idea of searching, Quoting, and reacting for another hour just to have it all disappear.  The mobile version of dm is kinda sus

 

 

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/24/2025 at 1:39 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

@Turin Turambar There already is a competing train on Tig. Why are you starting a new one? Isn't that a little unhelpful at this point?

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Well, I have Rand as mafia, and not Tigraine so there is that. I do get to vote for who I want, yes? Even if it isn't popular. (Every time I start to think your town, you soft defend someone I'm suspicious of).

On that note I finish work about 30 minutes before DL tonight so will likely be back at about DL-15 minutes with no catchup. Gonna be a bit weird for me.

 

Will be looking for cliffnotes.

[DPR]

  On 4/24/2025 at 2:31 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

You didn't catch the overall tone of my post?  I think it's interesting that a clearly sus post towards DPR would be viewed as me saying something townie of him.

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This is framing lol

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 4/24/2025 at 2:46 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Well, I have Rand as mafia, and not Tigraine so there is that. I do get to vote for who I want, yes? Even if it isn't popular. (Every time I start to think your town, you soft defend someone I'm suspicious of).

On that note I finish work about 30 minutes before DL tonight so will likely be back at about DL-15 minutes with no catchup. Gonna be a bit weird for me.

 

Will be looking for cliffnotes.

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Absolutely you can vote who want you want for,  I did not mean to imply otherwise at all. Just a bit frstrating to see you start a new one on someone I have townish when there is already one on someone I have wolfish. Just checking we couldn't get your desire for a competing train (as you did have Tig 3p-lean) to better mesh with my reads and having actually a competing train as opposed to a whole bunch of single votes. I do think Rand's instance on the spotlight and his fixation on Dice (or at least the rehashing of the same WIFOM over and over again) is sus, but I feel it is more town tunneling than misdirection.

[DPR]

  On 4/24/2025 at 2:32 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

What do you call the angle you're taking that Dice can only be scum?

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And this is lazy scummish play. 
 

I never said that - Rand and Heavy have pushed that talk. 
 

I specifically said is was “the most likely scenario” imo

 

You’re worrying me. 

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 7:06 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

This worries me. This seems like a huge misrep, but if it is why has no one else commented? Yes, from a Dice life expectancy pov, it is delaying the inevitable, but from a mafia team pov, it keeps a PR on the game for potentially at least two nights. It fishes for the cop - take for instance if I was the cop experiencing my first ever false claim with two minutes to make a decision, or indeed a whole day with no one to talk to about it? It kills a townie, it invalidates any town peeks the real cop gets so long as the GF is out there... It doesn't buy me much seems like such an understatement, not even counting all this WIFOM. 

 

It worries me as I'm getting town vibes off Dice, which in itself is slightly worrying as town Dice underpressure is not this polite in my experience. 

 

Hate it. I feel Dice is town, but I don't think he is acting it. FML. 

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Also gotta factor in there's a GF right?

[Ithillian Turambar]

Well you were having a right barney with him during the night and then come morning it all calmed down again.

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:51 PM, Verbal32 said:

@DPR

 

You have been super inconsistent this game.  Right now you're even keel, but yesterday you were acting like an overstimulated child.

 

And now you seem to be coming around to the same mindset I've had all game.  It feels super weird.

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  On 4/23/2025 at 1:53 PM, DPR said:

Let it be natural. Like before. 

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  On 4/23/2025 at 1:59 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

???

 

Btw, re-read p32.  Mostly it is the discussion a few people had with Dice around the unvotes and EOD movement.  That discussion was continued into subsequent pages (I think), so I don't really see why you're pointing out that page.

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Doesn't look like you found El Dorado on page 32

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 2:01 PM, DPR said:

What are your thoughts on the points I made earlier? Agree? Disagree? 

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  On 4/23/2025 at 2:19 PM, DPR said:

Probability is all we have to work with, obviously. And one point by itself is not all that informative, but a group of likely probable points starts to reveal a picture. 
 

I’m gonna shift over to speculation and conspiracy - just making that clear - and you may or may not want to go down this road, I get it. But do you think it’s even possible that dice and Rand choreographed their EOD actions? 

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so you seem to be getting on ok again

 

and then you say you think hes got a plan.

 

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 5:00 PM, Verbal32 said:

@DPR

 

State your plan.  I know you have one, and anybody with a brain can see how you're now leaning.

 

Out with it.  You and Turin both are like split personalities this game.  FFS, pick one and stick with it.

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not really  grumpy yet. Just asking.

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 5:36 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

So here's my interpretation of what you seem to be doing:

 

You clearly state you think Dice is scum, but you're not voting him.  What you are doing is slapping the sh*t out of Rand, heh.  Town!DPR is way more tolerant than this, but maybe you've changed in the years since we played.  Scum!DPR was always a little more feisty, but again - see my prior sentence.

 

That said, are you suggesting we lynch Dice today?  Because that's a tall order with an un-cc'd Cop.  I say this because if you think X player is obvious scum, you need to remove them from the game.  You're zeroing in on the assumption strongman always kills the Cop here, but that's simply not always the case.  RBing him and letting him push a bad agenda can also work for scum as they can just kill him whenever they need the RB elsewhere or he starts making sense.  I'm pretty sure we've done this on JN more than once.

 

This feels a little like you're setting the table and hoping others sit down to eat, because you are polished and manipulative enough to do it.

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and then you fire back up at DPR but say that bit about the table and plans.

Which is in a post where you seem not happy with DPR it's true. 

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:43 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

Intolerant DPR is a great version of DPR.  Just sayin'.

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But you like cranky DPR

 

  On 4/24/2025 at 2:31 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

You didn't catch the overall tone of my post?  I think it's interesting that a clearly sus post towards DPR would be viewed as me saying something townie of him.

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So I guess what I'm saying is I thought you'd spotted whatever the mystery thing was on page 32 and you were being cranky at him on purpose, to see if you could bait people into voting him?

 

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 8:35 AM, Turin Turambar said:

I've looked through  some of the recent pages but need to start from start of D2 and read again cause too many looks and I'm pretty sure ive missed stuff.

 

And Lenlo is now Zander? Awesome...

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Wolfy Soab 

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 11:00 AM, Ithillian Turambar said:

So I've had a bit of a look through on people I mostly trust to see their viewpoint on the Dice thing. And even Dice says we shouldn't 100% believe him and if someone counter claims we should Lynch them first?

 

But I think Nyn is town and she said absolutely a Mafia would do this. And I'm sure DPR is up to something and had a plan, but I don't know what it is. But my feels are that it's a Town positive plan. I don't think he'd be asking people to do the reading. I think he's watching for something to happen.

 

But I'm not you guys and I've not seen this happen in my games. But I acknowledge that it could still be a possibility. But no one knows for sure and I'm not gonna get spun around so for now, unless there ever is a counter claim or he gets a read I'm gonna keep treating him as if he is Town Cop cos that was my first impression. 

 

Also, if he was actually Mafia, why would he bother with the whole No Result thing? Wouldn't he have also pretended to get a Mafia read on someone to stir up even more muddles? I mean he could have actually given a real Mafia person. Like why go half arsed at a fake claim?

 

Fluff this. I'm not spiralling into wifom

 

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Yes yes don't pull a Turin LOLOLOLOLOLOL 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 4/24/2025 at 3:17 PM, Zander? said:

 

Also gotta factor in there's a GF right?

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How? 

 

  On 4/24/2025 at 2:59 PM, DPR said:

I never said that - Rand and Heavy have pushed that talk.

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Me? I admit during the night when it seemed to be a Verb and Rand showdown with Dice and DPR about how the two players that saved Dice were somehow scummy for it, it seemed very likely that Dice and DPR were wolves and it was a false claim. But since Dice has been much more Townie and DPR came out with Dice is obviously mafia while still arguing with Rand while actually agreeing with him on Dice. Which has left me scratching my head with all the WIFOM. So much I don't like about Dice's claim but I suppose that is always going to go with this territory - a claim that cannot be sensibly CCd immediately. Complete mindf**k, and a completely new situation for me.

[Zander?]

  On 4/24/2025 at 11:01 AM, DPR said:

The Strongman shot is 1x. It’s doubtful mafia would waste that on n1 unless they knew they had a target worth using it on,  like a cop. 

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I'm not super familiar with how Hider works but is there a World if the hider and doc protected Dice assuming he's telling the truth it wouldn't work?  I read Darthes description of it and still didn't understand all the possibilities lolololol